AUG Finally MEGA Nerfed! Surely now it will be we...WAIT WHAT'S HAPPENING

[@clockwork605]

From the perspective of the elite, Aug is required in order to be the top 1% of the top 1% because they buff the meta specs to be even more powerful. Realistically looking at things, however, Augvokers balance things out... a non-meta spec buffed by an augvoker will often perform as well as if not better than a meta spec in the same position. Augmentation isn't just "the newest perma-meta spec that we need to knock down to make room for other specs to shine", no Aug is the spec that brings weaker specs to the table and says "let's push father" Now intrinsically that acknowledges a problem in the existence of meta specs being a thing, but as long as you want independent specs, you're going to have some specs better at certain content than others. If you're mad because an augvoker is taking up a meta slot, then make an augvoker friend and push to even higher limits in the spec you actually want to play : )

[@cap258]

What they should have done in the first place is give evoker a tankspecc and don´t bother with the buffing specc.

[@filecro6934]

@@cap258 personally, if they added 5 support specs (example: disc priest, 1 rogue, 1 mage, 1 hunter, 1 warlock) including with aug, it would be much better received and it wouldn't kill other 2 evoker specs in m+ and it wouldn't be as meta maybe. But the damage has been done and blizz lost a lot of credibility

[@cap258]

@filecro6934 in fact the game worked perfectly fine with the holy trinity of tank/heal/damgedealers and adding more support specc wouldn't have fixed anything (at least for me).

[@filecro6934]

@@cap258 yeah it did work perfectly fine, idk too why even release shpport spec in WoW, it's not a moba...

[@liamdavies2823]

@@filecro6934 reworking disc (or any similar spec like enhance/ret) into a support would be astronomically bad for the game tho. new ones would be fine

[@mochi_pochi_]

I mean aug wasn't brought for damage it was brought because it makes it easier to get over the heal and tank checks in the dungeon. This will definitely change how the meta is unless aug is grossly overtuned but now it will make it easier for blizzard to do it

[@HurensohnGoogle]

delete aug and make it a diff spec.

[@loopaking]

Better to nerf Aug and buff tanks, heals. No class should be that strong lol

[@pizzazzsnudge7800]

I agree it was too strong, but then if Aug is just a lame dps that does lower numbers than all other dps, why would anyone play it? IMO they should quikly introduce another support spec and maybe make disc a support spec and then there are three options and makes more sense to have one slot of your group as a utility/support role

[@loopaking]

@@pizzazzsnudge7800 yeah that's a good point. AUG is only support spec, so it's kind of in a weird place. It's almost like we need dungeons to require 6 players. One support, one heal, 3 dps and 1 tank lol. IDK, aug threw everything off imo. Yes, you can add more support like specs to the game similar to aug, but then it's just an odd thing still because it's like a dps, but not? lol. idk aug really fucked everything up. I think it was a bad idea from the get go. That's my take. Kindof a dumb thing unless it's being utilized as it's own thing.

[@thelastspectre8141]

This is the fix aug needed for so long. A dps spec buffing dps specs. Now people won't pick them just because of their survivability anymore now they will be invited based on their damage and utility just like every other dps in the game...AND they are on the same level as devastation, now both specs will be on the same playing field and the only reason to invite one over the other will be based on who does more dps, unless streamers want to inflate their numbers so they can get more views

[@lolsa123]

it is a support class... so removing the utility is idiotic. devastation is rarely invited as it is since you have so many other better dps specs to pick from. after this change you might see augs in premades, but now it's better to pick an enhance shaman/balance druid/ frost dk because they don't depend on someone else's damage.

[@thelastspectre8141]

@lolsa123 they aren't removing its utility, they are just removing the power that gave tanks and healer the ability to do keys higher then what they can do by themselves. The best part is now they can buff tanks and healers again without tuning them around an aug. Before aug was making tanks and healers so powerful they were pulling and serving massive pulls and instead of tuning aug they were tuning every other class around them. That's why the got come fire and shadow were nerfed so hard. Blizzard was just balancing class as if every group was running aug so groups without sucked, hince the mandatory concept was born. This will allow for giving power back to the classes and specs, aug was no different than the borrowed power systems. It's not a nerf to aug it's a balancing to it's power. Everyone's worried because they will lose the dps that tanks and healers provided them to their dps....but you just said it aug has to rely on other players. What's easier relying on dps spread between 4 people at 25% to make 100% or 2 people at 50%? If the tank and healer are too busy surviving and not dpsing then they ain't contributing to Augs damage anyway 2 really good dps will be no different then a whole solid group.

[@liamdavies2823]

@@lolsa123 it's not idiotic when, by role, aug is a dps. also, isn't any dps only invited cause it does good dps? dev had that hurdle PLUS aug, now all it has is tuning to deal with and blizz makes every spec meta at some point. but that was impossible to do for dev/pres with the current state of aug. i swear you guys act like blizz never makes changes to the game, did you see many frost dks and assa rogues in DF? nah, you didn't. just like you don't see many dev evokers now, but you did at the start of DF and you will eventually spend a whole patch surrounded by them. as you will spend next season surrounded by mm hunters plus disc AND holy priests

[@Sidraughen]

I like the idea of aug and support classes in general, but I don't think Blizzard has any idea what to do with it. It's either shit or completely op. It's also boring as all hell to play.

[@filecro6934]

Exactly, and since the release, the spec had been completely op in m+ and in raids, except this raid tier. And i completely agree, aug is soo boring to play and from a viewer perspective for mdi and great push, it is completly boring to watch

[@zuluschmidt]

Aug is the only pure Support class in the game. But... Blizz was asking community a few days ago about New classes for the future... maybe this Monopol falls ...

[@jamesjohnsoniii8068]

The porblem with Aug isnt that it buffs tanks/healers. The problem with Aug is that there isnt another Support spec

[@TheColincooling]

I don’t understand 11.1 changes to make tanks even more needy. Prot gets its rage and ignore pain nerfed. Buff I get from my group decreased. On top of the opener changes this expansion to make me die more. Why do we feel we need to have floor tanks?

[@petkesbalazs7407]

Thank you for giving me hope, for the future.

[@abyssamun588]

Why is Mythic+ not like it was during BFA? Back then, we used to pull larger groups because the timer was tight. Now, the timer isn't the main challenge; instead, we're health-gated. If you can't survive, you can't complete the key. It was much more fun when the focus was on beating the timer rather than just trying to stay alive with every pull. Time-gated instead of Health-gated dungeon would make aug less mandatory but easier with them.

[@Essjaybee2934]

allow me to paraphrase: mamba jamba moomba boomba aug namanga boganja aug bebee bopee aug. maybe it's still good but in a different way we dont know yet. depends on how blizz designs shizz. aug is such an epitome of old blizz - the audience pleads for bard since the beginning of time, blizz unveils aug 20 years later. this is what you guys wanted no? bwahahaha. why do i hate aug? so many reasons

[@nosferhatu]

I still can't believe they have us Evokers in the form of damage and healing first. An after they brought aug put in the light , devastation was left im shambles . I mean Devastation was a spec played for only 1 season in their release expansion lol ! how crazy is that !

[@liamdavies2823]

dev was actually a very very strong spec through all of DF too, except for the first 6-8 weeks of season 3. then it got buffed back to being strong, it just had a bad tier set. you could push up to +25s in pugs without much issue but after that it just felt like everything 1 shots you without the healer being attentive to you, it's a bit less squishy now for m+, but so fun. i chose to main it in DF beta and i still do, i've played aug but it got boring quite fast. one day we will be meta, probably in 2026 :D

[@zzzhzzh2790]

Evoker supp shall have a pet to do damage instead of buffing so much on team

[@kurupac21]

For ppl saying this was a nerf, brace yourselves. Aug will still be meta, they will make aug buffs the META DPS even more by 25% plus his dungeon kit Zephyr+ tank scales + healing mana + rescue. This was not a nerf.

[@geoffreybentley5619]

Huge Nerf when they were brought more for tank and healer buffs. The dps buff isn't going to be enough to outperform a thrid dps. The tanks are not going to be able to pull as big in higher keys without those buffs. This is a much bigger buff for prot pallys.

[@liamdavies2823]

dev evoker and pres have all of that except for tank scales, but tanks don't really need it unless they're playing one of the weaker tanks. so once they get aug properly balanced, the statement people will purport will be "you always need an evoker or mage in the group"

[@cy2326]

@@geoffreybentley5619 you wont always need it but aug thrives in bad balancing. so it will buff the other 2 s tier specs and gg ez. the only real thing that is lost is selfhealing for tanks and damage for healers without ebonmight lol. they still gte buffed from blistering scales and source of magic. and 25% buff on other dps is kinda big.

[@Zerg777]

​@@cy2326 they will tune it before release

[@powerplay074]

No. Details show augs have low dps even when details count it to aug for how much he buffed others damage. Augs are trash and been some time.

[@CreativeFunction]

The versatility already only targets dps

[@sergiobaudino6749]

Still meta, until you remove at least 50 of the 100 utilities

[@zzzhzzh2790]

So blizzrd wants to make it less tank and heal for the game lol

[@jkenn8973]

Why do people care if aug is taken in high keys. play aug? and if you dont like aug, that leaves 2 dps slots a tank slot and a healer slot open.

[@S3Ri0usOG]

Aug was, is and will be always meta. People that are crying or believe that will change, they are just casuals doing weeklies.

[@tjf73]

Watch out guys, we got a pro gamer here. We better take his opinion as the truth

[@jigsaw6954]

They balanced the entire game around aug made it extremely unfun and wonder why people hate it😂😂

[@JD-hc5rv]

any chance we could mute game sounds in future? DBM is incredibly uselessly noisy and the weakaura whistles are *REALLY* annoying

[@txsnowman]

Cant mute all of those via the addons?

[@billflynn9962]

is this tryinig to support aug evokers? screw that class, nerf it even more

[@lolsa123]

aww is nobody bringing your bm hunter to m+?

[@billflynn9962]

@@lolsa123 huh?

[@zzzhzzh2790]

I feel like its a buff lol

[@pikus4392]

Since, as you conclude here, it hurts tanks and healers - the tank is mandatory so must stay within m+, the healer (maybe - MDI shown many4dps runs), and since tank will not benefit from aug that means everything has to die fast - how? Exclude healer..... . This will even more kill pugs..

[@henleykid]

I hate the argument "now pres and dev evoker have a chance-" No no you still wouldn't pick pres because of its short range and dev wouldn't offer anything to help the tank or healer. To all the aug haters: Aug was never mandatory. For the people complaining about aug the meta will always be picked > you unless you are in meta. It was never 1 less dps spot it was 1 spot that made sure your keys were more successful that actually aided the tank and healer. Tank and healers already have a hard enough time in keys, this is technically another tank and healer nerf.

[@liamdavies2823]

hey! so: devastation still has source of magic, zephyr, rescue, and spatial paradox so your point is just factually incorrect! also, if they make flameshaper the best hero tree for dev (likely), then it will have a literal healing external in renewing blaze (see talent: Lifecinders) which is CRAZY strong particularly on a tank. on a 1min cooldown. also: this season, range doesn't matter as much because a lot of the dungeons don't require much spreading. obviously there is some, but it's not that extreme. disc priest has a spell called power word: radiance which has a 30yd range and works pretty weirdly, but it's still meta this season right? so, again, your point is pretty incorrect. it's pretty obvious you've not played evoker much, no need to speak about something you have no experience with. you just make yourself an easy target

[@lolsa123]

@@liamdavies2823 too long didn't read, go take a shower.

[@jamesdixon4232]

Could they not just add another 1-2 support specs and make dungeons 6 players?

[@ozarksdigitalcreations9254]

I'll never understand why people would cry about something like that to get it nerfed when it benefits everyone.

[@rengarlothbrok5696]

Iosers lRL.

[@pridemizzle1565]

Because it makes the Meta terrible

[@pridemizzle1565]

@@rengarlothbrok5696sorry your broken spec got nerfed

[@cadenfore8298]

As a 2900 bear tank I don’t even play with augs most of the time, but I don’t know why people wine about them so much lol. Like who cares they are good, they are still going to be good after the changes 🤣 most people can’t even play their spec good enough to make an aug viable tbh

[@headlessz0mbie671]

same idk why people hate the spec so much, if they want it nerfed due to it dominating a "META" in a specific set of content then maby it's the content that is the problem

[@kpoe2000]

Instead of balancing them this way, I'd rather see them double down on support classes and make them a true separate spec all together. I'd love to see the dungeon balance shift to 1 tank 1 healer 1 support 2 dps

[@AR-jf1fv]

Omg please Not

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[@ZombieJeezus420]

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[@jgro9]

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[@TheKitsuneOnihane]

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[@lc7010]

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