August & Nemesis: 4-5 ADC's a GAME/ Why Tanks Do DMG/ Counterplay vs SKILL LVL/ SKILLSHOTS OP

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@coolbrotherf127 2 ай бұрын

The simple answer to why ADCs are better in Challenger/pro play is that most of their damage can't be dodged and the micro mechanics of top players mean that they are at little threat of being poked out by mages and have the game sense to never put themselves in danger of assassins.

@manuelbonelli3690 2 ай бұрын

Not ontly that you can farm easier with most adc while still having the possibility to turn on the enemy without using too much mana. (Zeri for example has her main dps from a move that doesn't even cost mana and she can easily bully a lot of champs using that)

@HookahOtaku 2 ай бұрын

Smite has better Hunter/ADC class, you actually have to aim your autos and cant lock on

@zealousyt6245 2 ай бұрын

And their items are completely broken!

@Ratty524 2 ай бұрын

Important to add that teammates know how to peel better, especially in pro play, so ADCs generally have a safer time to do what they do while engagers/assassins have to work way harder to get them isolated from a teammate.

@anthonyfaiell3263 Ай бұрын

False. The simple answer is because other people in the game know how ADC works at higher elo. Your teammates know that the enemy team is going to be sprinting at you. And your team probably knows that protecting the ADC in many cases will lead to victory. . The simple answer to why ADCs are better in high elo is because teams actually play around their ADC's in high elo... ADC is a role that requires a team to support them. . This is why assassins and burst mages shine in low elo. Because these are the roles that require the least (basically zero) interaction with the team. You just go in, press all your buttons and blow up key targets to win the game. And guaranteed the enemy team is too dumb to protect those key targets in low elo.

@gcstroud 2 ай бұрын

August is a treasure. Just a goldmine of info.

@uncreativeperson8497 2 ай бұрын

Isnt ryze also balanced exclusively to keep him balanced in (out of) pro play

@JBlandford 2 ай бұрын

He got reworked out of pro. His gameplay was changed, not necessarily his numbers

@sprintstothebathroomdaily2429 2 ай бұрын

Him, zed, and Lee sin are kept weak on purpose Whenever Lee is somewhat strong In solo queue he's pick or ban in pro

@christopherlormant8083 Ай бұрын

@@sprintstothebathroomdaily2429 zed is turbo usless in pro even if he where strong he would suck

@glenndiddy 2 ай бұрын

The problem with assassins against the current ADC's is that the ADC's literally 1 shot you from range. They are functioning as ranged assassins, often with a good dash/self peel to back it up. So yeah if the assassin can't even reliable get to an ADC before being blown up, that's a problem

@anthonyfaiell3263 2 ай бұрын

As an ADC main I actually agree with this. Too much damage in the game on all sides. Most fights come down to a single action or mis-action. And if everyone one shots each other, what value do assassins and burst mages have? I specifically build my ADC's like burst champs most of the times simply because of this atrocious damage meta. . That said, assassins should not be able to 100-0 either. Assassins should be required to play off of their team, capitalizing on a big cc or some nicely landed poke. No one should be able to one shot anyone. That's how I would prefer the game to be.

@KD-_- Ай бұрын

@@anthonyfaiell3263I am fine with assassins 100-0 on squishy if they land their entire combo. I'm ADC player. What I'm not fine with is when assassins 100-0 by only landing part of their skillbar.

@anthonyfaiell3263 Ай бұрын

@@KD-_- I partly agree. The problem with this is that if assassins and mages can one shot, they don't really need to play with their teams. And then unless everyone else can one shot too, they have a clear advantage over other picks in terms of how much impact the individual player has on the game. . Why would anyone play ADC... a role that requires a frontline, and multiple teammates staring at you, ready to peel the entire enemy team sprinting at you... Or tank/support, roles that are required to play around others... When you could just play assassin or mage, roles that can completely ignore their team and just go in by themselves, press all their buttons, and kill whoever they need to kill... . Unfortunately either everyone has to one shot each other, or everyone has to be required to play with each other. I prefer the requiring people to play with each other over the one shotting scenario. Nobody should one shot anyone. If an assassin wants to go in, they should be doing it as a follow-up to their teams engage, or to follow-up some nice poke... not just because you appeared on their screen...

@kelpie4692 20 күн бұрын

⁠@@anthonyfaiell3263Bruh I know being one shot is frustrating but this is not the correct solution. Assassins have to one shot squishy champs or else they are literally useless. Their entire kit is designed to do that, they use all their spells in one instance to deal crazy damage but after that, they don’t actually do anything. That’s actually the only class who should be allowed to one shot provided they are either fed or have scaled to their power spike and landed their abilities. The only assassins that are kind of problematic in terms of design and frustration are Zed and Leblanc and that’s because they don’t play like assassins, they play like mages. I think the reason ADC’s can actually lane against assassins and win nowadays is because assassins’ early game has been super nerfed. They used to have way more kill threat in lane some seasons ago, but it’s been tuned down a lot ever since durability patch.

@kelpie4692 20 күн бұрын

@@anthonyfaiell3263if burst/one shotting were to be completely removed it’d just bring back tank meta which, trust me, you don’t want.

@hackfeatherstep9955 2 ай бұрын

I wish I could ask august about xayah and his thoughts on her design

@atomickarate3421 2 ай бұрын

Head to his stream and ask!

@einjharrelraca 21 күн бұрын

wish riot would let xayah be a playable champion. but alas, she is an adc who has retained the ability to solo kite, so bruisers cry about her, and she has a defensive tool in her kit, so assassins cry about her. And unfortunetly those are the 2 classes riot actually cares about in this game.

@rubinrobo2265 26 күн бұрын

we also have tanks that deal very little damage. Nautilus, Leona and other tanks that deal so little damage that they barely function in top.

@bohomazdesign725 2 ай бұрын

Marksmen are definitively OP and BotLane is definitively the best role right now. Just look at the leaderboards. BotLane has the highest % of players in Masters+. They occupy rank 1 in EUW / KR. And as Phreak said when BotLane as a role becomes strong naturally TopLane becomes weaker and that is also reflected in the leaderboards with TopLane having alongside Support the least amount of players in Masters+ and on top of that there is not a single TopLaner in Top10 in both EUW and KR while there are even Supports in the Top10. Oh, and just for context. Before Marksmen got their item rework BotLane had 19% presence in Masters+. After they shipped the item rework BotLanes presence in Masters+ spiked almost to 23%. This change alone shows you that the item rework was not power neutral, but it was an absurdly big buff hence causing Marksmen to be OP as hell.

@Aeroreido 2 ай бұрын

If you have fallen into the trap of thinking that super high elo or pro play meta even remotely matters to the average league player I am sorry for you. In every bracket that isn't master+ ADC is kinda the worst role to play and by far the most team reliant together with mid, but ADC is way more reliant.

@momoaa 2 ай бұрын

You are really good at finding completely random stats and pretending they mean what you want them to mean

@einjharrelraca 2 ай бұрын

my brother in christ. 23% in masters........... THERE ARE 5 FUCKING ROLES IN THIS GAME. 23 is pretty damn close to 20%, you know 20. the number that is 1/5th of 100. 20/100. sounds like its pretty damn balanced if adc is taking up just over its alloted 20% of total 100% that is to be shared between 5 roles. Especially when you account for the natual order of supports get less becasue thats just how the role has always worked since its inception.

@einjharrelraca 2 ай бұрын

@@Aeroreido i wouldn't bother. he's one of those people that thinks that the only elo bracket that matters in the slighted is top 10 and pro. everyone else is just a scrub who knows nothing except him XD

@bohomazdesign725 2 ай бұрын

@@einjharrelraca dude, genuine question and Im no trying to be mean here. Im just curious. Do you suffer from a diagnosed / undiagnosed intellectual or mental disability?

@MrArkAngelz 2 ай бұрын

7:06 - "Because of coordination". Yeah voice comms 😒

@TyEditss 2 ай бұрын

Can someone explain why riot can rework corki 17 times and hes still one of the main problems with "ADCS" being played mid his E should have just been hotfixed but they wanted to let him run around 1 shotting everyone because they just spent 6 months reworking him again. No one i know that mains adc likes or even plays corki bot ever its so stupid.

@manuelbonelli3690 2 ай бұрын

His entire kit is a problem. Ha can farm with aa, poke the enemy, has another aoe damage on the w that can both hit all the minions but also the enemy (while you still can hit aa in the meantime that the move is active), has an insane range for his aa and R while having a dash that can be used both offensively and defensively. Basically he can poke out the enemy mid without using much mana while being hard to gank and dealing a crazy amount of damage even early game

@bulletcola7890 2 ай бұрын

Probably becuase fundamentally changing his kit is gonna be more of a VGU, which he has two legendary skins to work for, meaning you have to do 3 entire sets of VOs, which is kind of expensive.

@anthonyfaiell3263 2 ай бұрын

Corki isn't the problem. Overall damage is the problem. To make characters with abilities relevant, those abilities pretty much have to one shot people. If the meta wasn't so damage heavy, this would not be the case. They could actually balance champs more towards dps and taking favorable trades.

@KD-_- Ай бұрын

I wonder if nerfing Vi ultimate would get her out of pro jail

@SolarityVision 2 ай бұрын

“Why tanks do dmg?” That’s easy. Tanks do ALOT OF DAMAGE irl. Next question

@TheGabbia 2 ай бұрын

So ADC are a counter to tanks but to counter an ADC heavy meta the solution is to take tanks that "just laugh at them"...I fail to see the logic in this 😂

@itzAsianFool 2 ай бұрын

Adc counters tank but not in a closed setting adc counters tank if they either have peel or its just too late in the game. Tanks gain power if a comp has 5adcs cause then they just go only armor no need to think about build path.

@TheGabbia 2 ай бұрын

@@itzAsianFool For the first option you gave: so ADC don't counters tanks but team play does it. For the second one: he literally said "you pick tank and get tanky enough to just laugh at them, so the "late game" option looks more skewed for tanks. Btw I know what you mean, I'm just saying it's silly what he said. Also, almost every tank, late game, destroys anyone rn....I don't play ADC so I'm not crying about it but sometimes it feels really stupid to 2/3 shot an adc with a tank...

@towermice 2 ай бұрын

There's no such thing as class counters in this game. The only exception is that assassins must be able to one shot marksmen or else they will actually never stop complaining.

@skelet8337 2 ай бұрын

@@TheGabbiatanks are mid game champs most the time because at 5+items adc get so much damage they can kill a tank before he gets to them just from 1 slow except rammus and malphite who are adc counters.

@svantesandblom8447 2 ай бұрын

Adc's counter tanks when the tank player has to build MR. If a tank can stack armor, he's gonna be very hard to kill.

@cokecan6169 2 ай бұрын

the question is, why exactly does the game have to have one line of balance for solo q and pro? pro play already plays on different patches from live. why can't pro play just have an entirely independent balance setting entirely that is only adjusted based on pro games? like how there are champion specific modifiers for game modes, except this isn't a final modifier but straight up balance.

@nixedification 2 ай бұрын

That's a pretty common question, and it makes sense. The reason is that the big "selling point" of lol esports is that YOU or any random viewer can pick up any character and play just like the pros. The barrier to playing something like Lebron's style basketball is much higher (in theory, not application) than picking zed and trying to play like faker. Because you're playing by the same rules, the fantasy is that YOU can be faker, even if for a little bit.

@qweqqqw6972 2 ай бұрын

Bruh, it's just a weird question. Like asking, why do pro chess players play chess when they can play checkers instead? Pros are naturally league of legends players, they play league of legends to train, they stream league of legends for income(sometimes). Why do they need to play a different game on stage? It just doesn't make any sense

@whysmile9412 2 ай бұрын

you have to consider where would pros practice on the solo time when they are not playing scrims. one idea would be a separate servers for pros, which we have an example for like when worlds or msi is close and teams from different regions go on the event country where they have their own champions queue together with high rank streamers and former pros available. they play on same patch as live but they have an invite only custom games through discord. and as far as i know, that server doesnt go well after a week or two even few days after opening.

@cokecan6169 2 ай бұрын

@@qweqqqw6972 it's more like Yu-Gi-Oh. Competitions have banned cards that you can play in normals if people agree.

@cokecan6169 2 ай бұрын

@@nixedification I think the impact would be pretty insignificant. Most people I know who play aren't doing it because of pro play, technically more people play because of streamers. It would generally only make champions in solonq stronger. I'd avoid having entire kit and mechanic differences, but having different base stats at least could be implemented. The fact that they never play on live patches and always on a least fucked older patch is my main gripe, even though it's older it's also technically a different game state from live, so if they're gonna be different anyway just make them different period.

@hanshysher6266 2 ай бұрын

Unless theres too much movement speed to hit a skillshot...

@einjharrelraca 2 ай бұрын

*gestures towards the assassin and bruiser classes, who have in agregate the largest amount of dashes in the game* i think THAT might be a bigger problem than adcs only defensive utility actually working for the first time in 6 years. XD

@hanshysher6266 2 ай бұрын

@@einjharrelraca theres too much movenent speed, dashes and magic resist in the game.

@einjharrelraca 2 ай бұрын

@hanshysher6266 the only one I disagree with is MR. The issue with magic resist isn't that there is too much of it, it's that magic pen blows so much ass at its job that a single mr item plus merc treads can negate an entire full magic pen build.

@HookahOtaku 2 ай бұрын

Thats why Azir is ass outside of high elo, they just balance him around high end game, thats so lame for anyone else trying to rank up.

@doffy5394 2 ай бұрын

Thats just an excuse if you are good enough you will have success with him

@kreeperkiller4423 2 ай бұрын

@@doffy5394While being better at the game would solve that problem, the act of improving to get to that state is currently miserable for Azir players. The champion is currently in a state where he’s better forget about until you climb high enough with other champs to where you could actually play him.

@ST-in7fo 2 ай бұрын

@@kreeperkiller4423yeah, a champion that rewards you so much for being good shouldn't also be forgiving with errors

@einjharrelraca 2 ай бұрын

@@ST-in7fo too bad that reward isnt there anymore. espeically when you consider you could put 1/50th of the effort into yone or sylas or any of the other braindead champions riot has shat out recentlyish, and get 10x the results.

@einjharrelraca 2 ай бұрын

@@doffy5394 or you could put 1/50th the effort into another champion, and reach the same rank in 2% of the effort. oh and dont forget, you still need to preform 50x better than that same player in your current elo as well.

@stank8460 2 ай бұрын

So we have adc meta top mid bot and sometimes jungle. No problem here

@einjharrelraca 2 ай бұрын

i mean. when bruisers did it we all just got told to shut up. why should this be treated differently?

@reezybloom5716 2 ай бұрын

If only there was an already existing thing that pros have and that would allow your team in a competitive online multiplayer game coordinate better by forming and expresing your thoughts via some structured system. Like imagine if we could kinda strain our vocal cords to produce sounds with meaning behind them combined with the ability of other players to hear it ingame

@WildspeakerYT 2 ай бұрын

now imagine just because of your voice you get bullied on vc, like be a kid or a woman bc that happen in gaming world, and that make you want to close vc, but then bc you're out of vc you're activelly grifting your team bc they dont have comunication with a member of them, and all this before even talk about the skill while playing

@reezybloom5716 2 ай бұрын

@@WildspeakerYT omg the stupidest argument again and again, just mute and go on lmao, majority of people don't give a damn about your voice if you are not constantly screaming into mic. Like lmao dota has vc and is less toxic than this joke of a competitive game. You don't even need to speak that much, in fact you might not even speak at all, just the ability to listen to what the other player wants is already miles better then trying to play mind games with pings

@XionTheSylveon 2 ай бұрын

@@WildspeakerYTAugust literally has talked about that specific thing and the way folks do not get it or even consider it is upsetting. We are absolutely the kind of individual who would be receiving treatment that causes us to opt-out and hurt our team. Price to pay for being a trans woman. We know it because it has already taken place in other games.

@Ratty524 2 ай бұрын

@@XionTheSylveon yeah, despite the communication advantage, you really can’t count on the league community to not abuse it. I’d honestly rather be called a subhuman in text rather than in vc.

@ISesseriI 2 ай бұрын

@@Ratty524 IDK, with text you kinda just put on whoever you believe they are as the voice of the text, but if its someone telling you to uninstall, and they sound like they just got into high school, its really easy to just dismiss them. I find it way easier to deal with toxic people over voice than I do in league with text chat honestly. It's rarely someone that sounds like a normal well adjusted person

@cordgonsinged7676 2 ай бұрын

Ornn is an assassin disguised as a tank. I see people complain about k’sante or other tanks and sure they can deal damage. Ornn can literally one combo kill you in under 4 seconds

@ISesseriI 2 ай бұрын

which only works if you walk into his range, he has no mobility to speak of and if you just flash the knockup from the Q>E combo you don't get one tapped with zero counterplay. It's pretty easy as a mage or adc to not be in range of the guy that has to walk at you and nothing else

@miniclash_1928 2 ай бұрын

@@ISesseriI that's the point, as a mage or an ADC. ornn is a top lane tank where most champions played are meele, ornn should not have the ability to one shot a riven yet tank a full combo from her, ornn truly has an issue as he provides too much CC aswell as damage and tankiness

@ISesseriI 2 ай бұрын

@@miniclash_1928 How do you ever get one shot as riven? The ornn combo is predicated on the fact that you have zero mobility, riven as a champion has 4 dashes built into her kit.

@dominiczenone7604 2 ай бұрын

“ who will kill tanks” guys he’s saying that if the enemy team picks more than one adc, 1 tank or more should counter. There should be counter play for picking more than one class in a game. The fact that we are seeing adc’s in mid now just shows that they are op, especially with fleet and shiv which are too safe.

@AWeakPrinny 11 күн бұрын

You cannot simultaneously subscribe to the idea that tanks need to have damage in order to maintain player agency (and therefore be "fun") *specifically because the lack of follow up from teammates in soloq* while ignoring the fact that bot lane adcs literally have to rely on their support during lane phase and the rest of their team throughout the middle game to allow them to even reach the point in each game where they are able to even become relevant, let alone actually have agency themselves, without being a complete hypocrite. You're okay with making tanks "self-sufficient" in terms of agency via high base damage and tanky itemization and kits loaded with cc, but you're not okay with adcs getting to 3+ items *only because they've been babysat* for the entire first 25 minutes of any given game before coming online? Make that make sense. You are concerned that players don't have the capacity to follow up in soloq, so you buff tank damage to the sky... and yet you believe adcs will have their teams playing around them? Adcs cannot function without effectively being babysat for the first 15-20 mins of the game. You actively admit that you believe low elo/soloq players to be uncoordinated and unable to follow up on tank engagements, and yet you think that the team will properly play the game in order to allow their adc to come online? Are you seriously that delusional?

@karlosliskovic 2 ай бұрын

i think its ok for one class in one split or season beeing op. Riot changes the meta frequently, so its ok some classes more viable than others for a period of time. we got to see what happens at worlds, if the pros are gonna stick to adc meta or if they will abandon it.

@einjharrelraca 2 ай бұрын

i'd rather see that than a 855th game of "omg look at (insert top laner here) on yone lurking around the back before he DASHES IN 3 TIMES AND AOE ASSASSINATES 4 PEOPLE ON THE ENEMY TEAM IN 1 CC OMG WHAT A PLAAAAAAAAAAAAAY"

@augustheimdal1443 2 ай бұрын

when pyke cast his q they can dodge it or flash away, when pyke use his e u can just run away. his skillshots aint rewarding and u just die by using them.

@moerizk3753 2 ай бұрын

Basically, tanks do damage in solo queue cuz if they make a poor decision and go in 1v5 they can still get a kill. So they get rewarded for not playing well.

@Yee-Haw_Bird 15 күн бұрын

Also because laning vs someone in a solo scenario and having 0 chance to kill them on your own is pretty bad game design. By that argument enchanters shouldn’t even be able to auto people as that’s “damage”

@Callaway226 2 ай бұрын

I agree about skill shots but some spells are impossible to dodge without flash if they throw the ability right on you. Like brand W xerath W xerath R Lux E etc etc. not dodge able with base move speed and shouldn’t even be called skill shots…..just don’t mess up abilities

@afunnylookingsquash 2 ай бұрын

Xerath W yes, it's faster than brands (.52 second delay for xerath vs .62 second delay for brand) and a larger area with more range but dodging brand W is trivial even with no boots, becomes easier if you have t1 boots if you keep moving, t2 boots basically impossible for brand to hit a naked W.

@einjharrelraca 2 ай бұрын

i have been bitching about this FOR YEARS. my favorite example is ezreal. because his base ms is 325 (the lowest in the game), he PHYSICALLY cannot dodge a xerath q placed in the centre of his hitbox without his flash. Camille e, is not dodgeable with base ms ezreal either. he physically cannot move his hitbox out of hers fast enough without flash. Essentially any abilit with a projectile speed of 1250 or higher cannot be dodged without mobility tools or hoping the enemy fucks up if you are in the 325ms bracket.

@einjharrelraca 2 ай бұрын

@@afunnylookingsquash it depends on the champion. ezreal for example physically cannot walk out of a brand w placed with him in the centre. he HAS to have a mobility spell to dodge it before he gets boots.

@shinamonti2021 2 ай бұрын

Sooo August says that they should buff tanks to a point, that ADC's can't kill them. My question is - who the fuck will kill tanks then?

@gg.tacticsadvance 2 ай бұрын

Not quite what he meant. Supposing a healthy environment, when talking about counterpick, is just natural that when at least even in gold, a tank building and scaling solely armor, should not die easily to an adc, and that don't shutdown counterplay because to reach a point where phys damage auto attacker don't do damage, then the mage will do. If your team made a poor draft and didn't account for it, then yeah, your team should lose. If in the game never reach a situation where the mage could fight the armor tank, then it was bad rotation, and thus your team should lose. Or your team can work around shut him down as early as possible not allow him to gather resources. It's a strategy game after all.

@definitelynotryanhardt 2 ай бұрын

Tanks are meant to take a team effort to take down, as are juggernauts. If a single squishy champ could take down a tank/juggernaut at the same power level (gold, xp, etc.) on their own it’s a problem.

@ryn1706 2 ай бұрын

as a top laner for me i feel that the issue is that as a frontliner your game is pretty much over vs a comp with multiple adcs once the game gets to around 23 to 24 minutes because adcs start to hit 3 items and outscale every other class, you pretty much just get melted before you can do anything. Espescially when you have champions that have defensive abilities. So as a top laner you lose to adcs early, you do have a window to win mid game, but if you can't do that then it feels like you just become a slave to playing around adcs late game which sucks.

@HookahOtaku 2 ай бұрын

tanks being raid bosses is stupid as hell, big reason why mages fall off hard rn, the bruisers and tanks get their items, and you literally dont do anything to them and its like wat?

@svantesandblom8447 2 ай бұрын

@@HookahOtakuYou forced them to invest 2k of their limited gold into a stat that gives them nothing against their primary threat, namely ADC's

@Fadlife_League 2 ай бұрын

Idk about the tanks that oneshot you tho, and you litterally do zero damage to them

@skelet8337 2 ай бұрын

Yeah do you live in season 6 tanks nowadays can't survive 10 seconds in fight spending 8 of those seconds getting in range so they have 2 seconds of uptime.

@einjharrelraca 2 ай бұрын

@@skelet8337 god what pisses me off is that in season 6 IT WASNT EVEN THE TANKS. It was fucking bruisers and assassins abusing their turbo inflated base stats and rushing tank items.

@spencerschilds1426 Ай бұрын

The amount of clips of this guy denying adc meta is making me want to quit league. Shake my head

@lacez3590 2 ай бұрын

tanks. Should. Not. Deal. Damage

@DamianSzajnowski 2 ай бұрын

But... muh fun? (Tanks base dmg broken for years now)

@arionljulja6142 2 ай бұрын

skill issue

@joeschipper6465 2 ай бұрын

They should atleast be piss easy to kite if they do

@skelet8337 2 ай бұрын

The problem is that tanks can't survive longer than a bruisers in today's meta so they do bruiser like damage and tanks can't be tankier because others abuse tanks items as well when they are strong so we get bruiser but that have armor instead of healing.

@-KpAbilio- 2 ай бұрын

@@skelet8337 Well, there needs to be a reason for tanks to exist. If they only present CC and peel for teammates, they're better support (like Braun). That way there is only a role for those type of champions (maybe jungle if they do extra dmg to monsters). But that removes all the nuance of the class. Also, for tanks, bruisers, juggernauts , skirmishes, etc... that class concept is kinda bad. Better to think about power budget and fantasy experience. Aatrox is a dude with a big sword, his attacks are slow and do alot of damage and can CC if he hits the sweet spots, he needs to do damage in order to heal and stay in fights, so it makes sense for him to be kind of a front liner. J4 is a champion with lots of utility for him and his team, buffing As, shredding armor, locking peiple down and is a good frontliner, naut is pretty tanky and has lots, LOTS, of cc, but don't have enought damage, is pretty immobile if misses his Q... etc... Other than that. Talking about itemization, adcs have crit chance, attack speed, damage and arpen. All those stats stack in a multiplicative way. If you do 1dmg/s and gain 100% As now you do double damage, if you gain 100% extra damage, you do 4x more damage than base. Tanks only work with defensenses (not saying that you cannot build other stuff, but the attributes for that class are armor, mr and hp). For each resistance point you gain 1% effective HP so you want to pair resistances with health. Bruisers do work better with tank items if tank items are good because they have sustain, they can scale damage better with stats (take shen, who cannot scale damage normally vs any AD toplaner) or have more base damage in their kit. A problem with tanks is that some of them don't scale defense that well also.