Sneaky spectates a SCRIPTER (who got BANNED by Riot Vanguard)

[@Siegram999]

Scripting doesnt only come in the form of auto dodge/aim you know....alot of people would just script for info(cooldowns,ward locations,etc)

[@yGKeKe]

Pretty sure just having attack/cast range indicators turned on is pretty big. Scripters who are good at the game in terms of clicking and decision making usually won't use anything but that.

[@user-us3xi7se5b]

@@yGKeKe Isn't this an option without scripts?

[@jacksonmagas9698]

​@@user-us3xi7se5bthe scripts show you enemy cast and attack ranges

[@jxstified7558]

@@user-us3xi7se5b You have to A click over and over to see attack range but with scripts you can see it perma and not have to A click allowing you more freedom and less work.

[@jefimijekrstic1855]

@@user-us3xi7se5b I think he is talking about seeing the opponent's ranges and stuff

[@X33Ultras0und]

The E to dodge Warwick wasn't just any spam clicking, it was perfectly perpendicular to Warwick's flight path. A perfect 90 degrees to avoid it the millisecond after just auto attacking the guy.

[@jackspinner4727]

Warwick?

[@FieryLeMoonlight]

@@jackspinner4727 Can tell you didn't watch it all, there's a clip of another game cait was in, that had a warwick in it.

[@jackspinner4727]

@@FieryLeMoonlight ah.

[@killuazoldyck6452]

Ive been there and tried to execute that dodge many times and I can confidently say its near impossible to do that. Your reaction speed must be so high and your motion must be so precise else you are ulted gg. Combine it with the auto yeah thats just not possible. Literally inhumane

[@misos1393]

He was obviously just trying to pick up Yummi faster. Any good player would have done that.

[@elephantchessboard9060]

We might have cracked how Vanguard works. If a player is suspicious they are put into games with streamers. Then riot checks the streams audio for the phrase "scripter".

[@Riaining7]

That would be a great anti-cheat system, keep suspicious accounts flagged under suspicion, and then just put them more in the public eye so their antics get caught. Probably the best anti-cheat design ever made, now that I think of it. Peer review and crowdsourcing is the way.

[@Flechashe]

Hahaha

[@iwuanadie1058]

​@@Riaining7 2 issues: 1. "scripting" has become a slang for "very good" 2. they could straight up have a system checking for codes not included by them. the information about enemy wards, cooldowns, charging skillshots etc. all could be secured behind a wall or smth. but ofc we're talking about riot here.

[@whateverppl1229]

@@iwuanadie1058 a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

[@shafaet1194]

@@Riaining7 That is dumb as fuck because it doesn't remove cheating from 99.99% of the game, only the absolute highest levels of play would only be somewhat free of cheaters.

[@schobaxt.8781]

My issue is that cait isnt standing behind minions and is basically baiting pyke hooks because she KNOWS she will dodge them.

[@mc7372]

Her overconfidence says it all

[@elminz]

@@bahamutzero4903 Modern scripts always make the players shooting skillshots look bad. Good players preemptively dodge because they don't have instant reactions, scripts don't even need to flinch because they can instantly calculate the minimum movement required to dodge it before the animation even starts. i.e. don't always dodge instantly (old scripts), but just sidestep minimal amount with fake reaction time to look realistic.

[@tnetennba2053]

yeah i feel like its so obvious to tell if someone is scripting nowadays, even a bad pyke will land one skillshot

[@sedarium5307]

If you notice it, all hooks that Pyke landed were when Cait was placing a trap, that's just enough evidence honestly, if the instant trap to Pyke's flash wasn't enough

[@EternalAngel333]

u can instantly tell by the movement if ur actually a good player that cait is scripting

[@gingergamerza3611]

@@EternalAngel333 are you genuinely calling sneaky not a good player?

[@EternalAngel333]

@@gingergamerza3611 Man if you were actually good you can tell by movement alone the movement is to circular and way to smooth to be a real human clicking

[@gingergamerza3611]

@@EternalAngel333 hes literally a pro and you call him bad..

[@EternalAngel333]

@@gingergamerza3611 just because you are in the pro scene does not mean you are really good. magifelix held 5 accounts in challenger on EUW but isnt pro does that mean he is bad ? no..

[@CrocodileWhispers]

When Pyke flashed and cait immediately dropped a trap ON HIS NEW LOCATION... that's 1000% a script

[@crazzluz1702]

Don't actually have to review that much, look at the rest of his gameplay compared to the sus elements. He's on a fresh account with an 80% winrate, playing vs Master's tier players, is dodging every skillshot thrown at him, instant reacting to Pyke flash with traps. And walking melee into Draven and is down 30 CS at 10 minutes even though the Draven is 0/4. It's so obviously a bad player scripting. For you, a lot of what this Caitlyn is doing seems normal. You're a Grandmaster/Challenger tier player and a former pro, in the top .0001% of players worldwide. This Cait is Emerald.

[@biglittleboy9827]

Yeah, most people are complete trash compared to him, even master players look like new players in front of him.. so imagine emerald players. This caitlyn is obviously scripting 200%. The traps are obvious. Everything else is not that obvious but the movment she have, dodging everything while not missing a single occasion to auto attack while dodging AND placing traps.. c'mon, the dude is scripting that's obvious. And the thing is, I already see 2 scripters in my games since vanguard ( one kogmaw and one jinx ) and vanguard didn't caught them during the game. They were scripting 200%, it was completely obvious. And i'm not the type of guy saying '' he is scripting '' easily, most of the time I just assume the guy is good or is a smuf.

[@blueicer101]

to be fair I've seen high emerald and diamond+ players get into a flow state and play out of their minds. I've played like this before where all your dodges are by the book perfect and you just predict everything that's going to happen. you could explain all the clips individually as well played. too bad the expectancy of an emerald player playing like a korean masters player every game with low cs/fundamentals makes scripting way more likely. the pyke trap predict could just be putting a trap between him and the pyke to stop the dash and then he just flashes. but the way he kepted placing his early traps were so robotic and didn't factor in real player pathing psychology was so obvious. a mid emerald player would understand the basic vait trap placements. this guy kept putting it exactly on champions locations after a flash and in bushes too many times. he's either scripting or legitimately on hallucinogens.

[@ErenYeagerVsIppo]

He didn't examine closely enough at this caits play style. He only looked for weird animation dodge canceling. The cheater couldn't even auto space properly on a lone minion wave.

[@vanjamenadzer]

Mate, I was hard stuck gold, then got banned then got into Dia 2 on a fresh account and sometimes when my brain is fired up to 200% I can dodge 10 skillshots in a row. I've been accused of scripting ofc.

[@feYslYa]

yep noticed the difference in cs as well + the trap to invisible insta flashing pyke is unreal human reaction time and this person isnt even cait OTP

[@joshuaritter5095]

Notice how every dodge is EXACTLY perpendicular to the attack. A human would never play like that but a script would do that every time. Even if you were a dodge god you wouldn't always move in an exact 90 degree angle away from the attack.

[@pastelantlers7479]

On thing I notice with scripters is that they don't ping AT ALL, if you look at the chat logs it's been dead silence from Cait the entire game. While yes there were other fishy things like the flash trap predict, the no pings is just a small detail I notice

[@bagrovmdack5505]

i saw the clip one day where some streamer played with scripter who predicted janna's q and constantly pinged the spot where it would go to. strange altruistic way to expose themself

[@stanimirborov3765]

I mean i dont ping myself on purpose and i have 14+ years of league. pinging is annoying af, i report people on my team who ping and make me lag like theyt did in 2015 fortunately i have good pc now but lately starting to lag again when i have my usual 14 winapms opened and multiple google chromes ands streaming on twitch, sometimes on twitch+facebook saeme time, i usually go afk during combat in master elo just to mute aellies who ping coz its annoying af but im not gona bother muting people every single game. they need to know to not ping., pings must be used only for targeting which enemy we focus in a team fihgt 2v2 .. 5v5, not to be careful - if some1 pings then i cant see mini map coz of their spam and annoying me during fight i cant see where enemy goes - ive muted sounds since 2011 due to annoying rumble laughs or vladimir being legendary 24/7 laly has been slain, but even sho the visuals are super annoying too and its laggy.. liiiiike.. meh i gotta send agent smith to dislike ur comment too but fortunately ure cov ered by newton's law of lowest gravity meaning waste of time to dislike..but yeah got my poiont across. mm lemme send hhim a screenshot of this comment b4 i post it on discord

[@League____]

@paulklein8556 satire imo

[@Samy-j9h]

Idk if that's anything to go by... I almost never ping and never used a script

[@stanimirborov3765]

@paulklein8556 sensitive? no. i always think neutral towards positive. At some point you meet fundamental factors which can annoy u and u want to minimize those. I have a great deal of not caring about things and hence I run ultramarathons, will be able to live 200 years, eat mostly vegan food, avoid cooking the food if I can to lose less nutrients. And no, there's no way to mute pings - as I mentioned(or if I didnt coz I type this often in games and other utube comments ) -u have to bother muting pings every single game so its not rly worth it - i rather let them annoy me if they ping coz theres chance they dont ping - then if they do - ill report them and also go afk during fight to mute them so i can then continue focusing on next fights. If there was a way to mute ally pinmgs forever just like ive muted enemy emotes and i dont have to mute it every game - then sure - I will then mute it - point is not t o have to do it every game, fuirther more the Mute al loption mutes their chat too - i want their chat to stay and mute only the annoying pings, since chat changes 24/7 plus is less annoying, it stays at one specific place in ur screen(bottom-left by standard if u dont move it) - tower slain, ally legendfary enemy legendary.. it moves 24/7, but pings can be random - its like having a fly in reallife harras u and annoy u while u play - and it can ruin ur peripheral vision if hteres lights of ur roouter and/or other blinking lights - if its on ur screen it can be accounted for, in fact, its healhty, but if its around u, it can be annoying af and u rather be without it. So its harder to predict pings of allies, furthermore they annoy u and u cant see whats going in in fight. I dont mind being wrong and I instantly accept/admit that I am wrong if some1 proves me wrong as thats how physics and fundamental laws/effectiveness works generally(and in most cases its not like ure hiding some secret from which ull benefit of trying to keep ur lie when the truth is obvious and many ppl see it) - so if I am wrong - please tell me how I can mute ally pings once and forever, and not have to do it in any future game,, aaand if we meet some day I just might buy u a beer. Thanks in advance.

[@randomness4989]

The biggest red flag to me is the standstill dodges,and how overconfident he is at Qtpie clip,legit misspositioning but has an insane e after he auto the ww

[@低端辛吉德]

He only get hit by skill shots when hes autoing / W ing

[@randomness4989]

Or if he doesn't have vision

[@BabyKnxckz]

He actively dodged one stand aside, idk but you can watch any player and u would find dodges like that

[@koreanbbq2376]

I mean ive had games where Ive dodged skillshots the entire game to near perfection and other games where I ate every blitzcrank hook I could ask for. I feel like the biggest tell tale sign of scripting is character model behavior. I was playing against a senna that would frame perfect cancel her autos every time a skillshot or ability was going to hit her. I had another game where a twitch did this really strange dodge when hugging the wall by moving backwards at an angle into the wall and the biggest tell of the script was whenever he would be in a team fight and our Gwen had her W up his character model would freeze and stop attacking because the script didnt know what to do

[@koreanbbq2376]

However the net backwards from the warwick ult was definitely the biggest script indicator though IMO

[@Brain-washed2]

the flash predict trap was pretty obvious even if the stuff before wasn't

[@BabyKnxckz]

Not rlly the stand aside was only good dodge really

[@Waterfiendz]

@@BabyKnxckz The trap is the most obvious example because she locked herself out of movement (so doesn't expect to get flash hooked) and somehow drops the trap in the most perfect position before Pyke Q release animation even starts.

[@BabyKnxckz]

@@Waterfiendz its not that hard placing the trap like that, the e dodge would be the most sus one but also nothing impossible

[@JanDarkyy]

​@@BabyKnxckzit 100% is, when a pyke flash to your face, not even Gumayushi or Ruler 1st reaction would be trap on the spot , im not talking about reaction time im talking about decision, no player in challenger 1st reaction (desicion) in that situation is trap on spot, everyone 100% will try to dodge or E and then trap , like u have to be bad to make that decision of insta trap, or either a software is placing traps for you when someone enters a certain range

[@BabyKnxckz]

@@JanDarkyy yeah hes doing lots of wierd desicions

[@superfactorial5717]

CAUGHT my bad CAUGHT

[@askingwhyisfree7436]

it is obvious scripting because of how confident caitlyn is to just stand. The confidence is there because of the script to safeguard her. The standing dodge happened so many times along with the sus traps and draven cc dodge. Normal high elo players predict because reaction is unreliable. There's no shot she predicted every skillshot of pyke by 1mm.

[@JhNDrk]

62 games in ranked using autododge and autocombo. Vanguard definetely works great! Imagine how long it would've taken if he only used legit hacks.

[@checkyoursixgaming]

Vanguard doesn't catch all the scripts unfortunately. This was a decent script in terms of functionality, but it didn't get past Vanguard. The better ones do though.,

[@Davidzinuhaha]

For me the trap on Pyke flash was very notorious. Too much coincidence.

[@AyeeSkippy]

Idk if you know what words mean

[@Davidzinuhaha]

@@AyeeSkippy mean you Idk if words know what

[@jacksonhester6747]

Bro don’t use words you don’t know.

[@miracleman2323]

For me the trap on Pyke flash was very harmonious. Too much cacophony.

[@kimjunghoon02]

For me the trap on Pyke flash was very loquacious. Too much pedantic.

[@daijobukenchana8725]

I'm a scripter and this is 100% scripting. 1. Orbwalking - its like you spamming right click where your mouse is but in her case she just holding spacebar (for the script to automatically use combo while orbwalking when it detect enemy in her range) or holding C (when there are creeps in the range and it will automatically last hit while orbwalking. While farming with holding C also have features like harass function that you can enabe so if the character have harass ability while looking for last hit on creep, it will also look for a chance to harass enemy with Q or something make it even harder for enemy to farm) 2. Auto dodge - the script will force the user to auto dodge even if you click to somewhere else. For example if the script auto dodge to left and user click right, the character will still forced to move to the left and the user input is not registered. Auto dodge is easily noticeable due to how "forced" a user movement looks like especially if you have use the script before. It also have features like automatically dodges with flash when enemy is flashing at you or when it detect a dangerous skillshot that can bind/stun you. You can also choose which skillshot to dodge with flash and which to dodge manually with just orbwalking. 3. Auto trap - This option can be enable in the script and it will automatically place traps when you hold spacebar (the full combo button). The full combo is a mix of orbwalk (spamming right click where your mouse is) + auto attack (on enemy only based on settings to target low hp enemy or closest enemy) + (other features like auto trap when the script detect enemy and calculate chances of the enemy being trapped if a trap is place) + combo (whatever combo Caitlynn user usually use to kill an enemy including the ultimate (which can be set if you want spacebar - full combo to automatically use ultimate or not) I'm sure theres many more features nowadays. But the routine as a scripter player is - Hold C when farming creeps (using the harass feature) - If enemy is in range, hold spacebar to win That pretty much it. Spacebar and C is usually the bread and butter as a scripter. That's why you can really tell when someone is scripting when they are switching from Spacebar to C (from orbwalking to full combo on enemy to orbwalking to last hitting creep) and the very obvious autododge.

[@dramorian4486]

I scripted for 10 years since early BoL and L# days. Everything you said is true.

[@QuikK4FUN]

You are Not scripters your human trash

[@DKong100]

After seeing 3:33 & 8:20 it was clear that she was scripting. I personally like to call it "wobbling" as it's always a dead giveaway that someone is script dodging. The only way to move like so is by either overriding a script input, or by using a macro (which is still cheating). For a human to be able to move like so it requires you to do 3+ inputs on top of 2 repositions all within a fraction of a second. Which, again, isn't possible without macros and/or the use of a controller that's been rigged to let you play League without the massive input loss caused by being restricted to using a mouse.

[@VisForVindetta]

Exactly. To do it with your hands would require clicking to have your character move in several different directions in an instant, which to be able to do while aiming spells is basically impossible without scripts. You’re basically fighting the script trying to move you a certain direction

[@PaulaDeensButterDish]

Nah, a click can do that because a click will path you towards the champs

[@Gofex1337]

Ngl, I always do that intentionally. If anything that's what made me feel like it was potentially authentic. It's honestly just what happens if you play with the cursor close to the champion and average more than 200 apm. What I did find sus was not reaching at all to the already missed hooks. It's like the dodge script doesn't kick in because there's no incoming threat, but a player would assume the other guy wouldn't miss and would still try to atleast move around a bit

[@june-ls1hw]

The draven axe dodge was good but the pyke flash trap and warwick dodge are the only things that I think are truly sus.

[@RuneKatashima]

Cait didn't stand still for the first 3 Pyke Qs, your eyes are bad. Also, for that one from the bush at 4 minutes you can see a few frames where she's immediately moving left.

[@07ilyes]

well...that trap into the flash, he did the exast same thing to heimer when they first invaded top

[@DerpedUpHorse]

Just look at the way she moves perfectly smooth following the mouse. Normal humans cannot click that fast

[@DerpedUpHorse]

She spins in circles when dodging csing etc. its the best way to see someone is scripting, Because while shes still moving the mouse it's not her clicking.

[@Mache.]

I hate the fact that Vanguard is a chinese rootkit, but seeing it in action is an amazing sight. It not only detects blatant cheaters, but also those like this Cait who don't seem as powerful as the regular scripter we're used to because the scripts can be configured to make it barely suspicious to real players. And the best part is that it improves itself (evolves) with the data collected. I've seen it evolving in Valorant, and lately the rare occasions where it pops up nobody in the game was even aware that there was a cheater.

[@BabyKnxckz]

Or it just does falsbanns

[@clappedbyben5438]

@@BabyKnxckzfrom my understanding it has access to everything on your computer files etc. and only bans you if it finds something that is actually impacting the game so how is it supposed to false ban?

[@BabyKnxckz]

@paulklein8556 seems like the lol version is better in that regard, i remember when valorant came out it would fals bann lots of ppl just for habing applications open that didnt do anything with the game

[@dip9995]

Scripting is really easy to see if you’ve ever scripted before. I even know the specific platform he’s using because of the Caitlyn script logic. He’s using BGX. The prediction on Cait q in BGX is bad. And the trap logic is terrible. Easiest way to detect scripts if you haven’t scripted before is you can see their clicks per second. How they move around looks weird because it’s perma over 15 cps

[@Archadean]

I don't know he was hit on some easily predictable shots and also was hit by the very dodgable Draven ult at 7:22. I don't think it's super obvious if he is

[@paulbiner5437]

yeah. seems like the script isn't very obv, except when it comes to trap placement. the trap into flash, and also trapping on top of invis pyke like 7:03. The dodges were a lil fishy, but nothing too blatant imo.

[@yurilopes420]

his skillshots are either perfect or horrid on the wave it's always perfectly parallel (not the biggest tell) and on players it's either dead on center pixel or movement prediction

[@karrawr9538]

9:31 that looked pretty blatant to me. He only dodges like that when the Draven actually throws his cc, they aren't trying to predict it

[@cap-ml7ky]

idk... 7:03 isnt that bad imo, you already know he's in a bush, so you might as well trap between you and him. But that draven 9:31 is hella sus.

[@BabyKnxckz]

​@@cap-ml7kybut its like nothing impossible... most players would do such a dodge while playing a league game

[@xXNerogamerXx]

That this guy was able to play 62 games without getting banned is kinda sad ... I mean its better then before as they survived till challenger or so and like 200 games but still ... To much games being unrecognized by the system At least its working and faster as the old system ^^ but i guess there is much more room to improve it

[@xe3704]

that was what worried me... he still got in master/gm lobby... like what is the point of vanguard

[@yorik1006]

He got manually banned, what are you on about, only because streamers exposed him

[@usr21882]

@@xe3704 haha no vanguard on mac osx, scripters are chilling bgx mac os hahahaha ezpz boost acc to master then sell xd

[@LemonKushDeadside]

62 games is still minimum 30 in game hours. Which is a long time to get away with hacking, it's funny because it seems that other anticheats detect it faster (on other games) vanguard is not on my main PC I don't trust it at all. I know most anticheats are kernel level, but most anticheats aren't related to the Chinese government, so yea no vanguard on my main PC

[@nice8309]

@@LemonKushDeadside buddy which anticheats are better than vanguard?? start naming them or learn to stfu.

[@ValorOni]

You know you can go .5x or .25x slower on spectator mode right?

[@sya2711]

8:34 cait dodged draven e 3 times before this point, still doesnt find it sus? xD

[@xe3704]

what are you smoking? that was the first E cait doged.

[@Mamami701]

if u ever play agaisnt scripters, summoners spells are their weacknes, ur flash is ur win condition

[@ravenhawkgameplay3863]

she is shooting through the smallest gaps in a group of minions without missing at all when she doesnt want to farm., prime example after she lives with a draven and pyke right on top of her pops potion healing enough to surive and move quick enough with standard boots only to get out of range from further damage THEN LITERALLY bang on 6m 30s watch her fire this shot right through the minions just as pyke comes out of beiing invis and is barely close enough to be visible to caiylyn imo.. so far thats the clincher for me, sorry if this already spotted now as watching 12 days after you posted this

[@checkyoursixgaming]

Scripting tools do a lot. Help with dodging, help with aiming skill shots, show fog of war or help with it in some way, and other things. Also, most "good' scripts have humanizers built into the script. Many of the scripts ramp up how much they do their thing as the game progresses for example. Many scripts will not dodge everything or auto land skill shots in the first 5-10 minutes of a game. If the player dies then it isn't a big deal. This way it is harder to detect the player is scripting when people do a vod review. The person reviewing looks at the first 5 minutes and sees the scripter eating skill shots, dying, sucking on CS, and not landing hardly anything. Then once the scripts kick in full, the person never misses anything, can't be touched, and never misses any CS anymore. The scripts even during the post 5 minutes will still allow some skills to land. Especially of there is no major consequence for not dodging. For example, player is full health, has more team mates nearby, and a skill shot won't do more than 1/5th their current health. There isnt' a CC component to the skill shot either that allows for an all in follow up. So why would the script bother to dodge that skill shot for the player? The humanizers check for all those factors. How much damage the skill shot can do, how many nearby players there are, if they are under a tower, the size of the minion waves nearby and so much more. The scripts these days are not clucky pieces of software. Not with the money that flows into them and the teams working on them. The best scripts are designed to not look like bad scripts. They are designed to make it look like a good player instead. Lastly, if Vanguard TERMINATES a game, there was 100% a scripter in the game. The Vanguard program doesn't look at how the person played when a script was running. It only looks at the script program running in the background. It either is running or isn't. This is why I can't believe how many people don't have an idea on how to spot scripters in this game. There were hundreds of thousands of people scripting in games before Vanguard came out. It was that prevalent. Most people thought there was hardly anyone scripting though because they had no idea how to look for them.

[@cenkarson777]

the movement on pyke q is not that sus honestly, the traps and insta cait e after aa input are

[@PrinzessinMaki]

he only dodged by standing still and perfect 90 angle, pretty sus

[@crow5946]

qt being 6/1 vs a literal scripting caitlyn and still getting buttfucked by the illaoi at the end there was peak league of legends

[@kaydenvortex1984]

I'm convinced vanguard doesn't do anything besides gather information on those actually scripting. +9 ms ping difference ever since they added Vanguard to league, like what.

[@Dakk]

Looked this person up on opGG and the ranked winrate on Lucian (15 games) was 93%... and 76% winrate on Riven (17 games) so that's kinda sus too. First time I've felt good about the Vanguard rollout. I legit quit League when it was announced, after playing since 2011.

[@karsinogen755]

the pyke flash trap was more than enough, inhuman micro adjustment. no possible way

[@felipefurtado2156]

This sorta thing just seems hard to tell. I’m a bit biased because WoW players do these sort of super late reactions effortlessly. Vanish coil, blind, etc.

[@kr3xy140]

the only reason pyke landed a q after flash was because cait was stun locked in a trap setting animation

[@yarogrigoriev1609]

Cait tried to place a trap on pyke with 0 vision. I noticed this twice.

[@Vickiraytive]

12:57 hear me out. the way cait walks forward and back looks like a moment of indecisiveness on whether to walk towards yumi or not. So what if she pressed E not to doge ww ult but to get to yumi after a delayed decision? Yes I'm aware that yumi got in range to latch onto her just before then, but this cait gives me vibes of being accidentally good by being slow. I've done some plays like this myself accidentally because I have extremely terrible reaction times. I play better when I DON'T try to dodge things lol.

[@zan6585]

3:33 is pretty significant because it shows the program knows it's more efficient dodging perfectly perpendicular as opposed to a little off. It's a weird correction to naturally have made so perfectly.

[@skiinnymac]

the only hook he got hit by pyke was becuase cait was in animation of placing a trap

[@Neo_mode]

Pretty evident if you ask me, an Emerald player with very bad movement and mechanics just happened to predict where every single Pyke Q went, yea no shot. How people even question if that's a script, it's very obvious.

[@MajorBuzzKill]

You can smooth dodging and configure it extensively with delays and pathing, good scripters don’t use evade. She is using orbwalker though 100% so you don’t need to investigate her dodging.

[@spikenn616]

When someone moves in a 90 degree angle from how they were moving when a skill shot is thrown, it's a really big tell that they are scripting.

[@Kaynless96]

i feel like the flash hook was possible to predict with the trap bc he wasnt able to land long range hooks he has to close distance where it makes sense to flash forward and not to the side

[@bourne_]

Trap placement is a part of this script, but it's outdated (it didn't try to put traps on Draven's axes landing points).

[@metallfusion5452]

We don’t do mistakes, we just have happy accidents

[@RyGuyMemes]

If my Pyke couldn't land a single hook without flashing in I'll assume enemy ad is scripting like wtf and the trap placemment instead of e-ing is mega sus

[@dip9995]

As a former scripter it was easy to tell he was scripting. Can even tell based on how they move. When holding space cps is over 15 consistently

[@CoolzTR]

I love how everyone is in agreement that this Cait is a scripter but it could be Faker playing in NA 🤷

[@Squidmoto3]

Well the whole point of scripts is that they're inhumanly quick. That's how they get detected. Everyone does things that look like scripts here and there, but 5+ times in a single game is just impossible.

[@CoolzTR]

@Squidmoto3 fair enough, but I'm just making a bad joke tbh, but with how every good player have great MS and FPS on their computers + possibly playing so much league that it comes second nature to predict perfectly when to dodge/ move quickly. Idk tbh, I ain't trying to defend this Cait as Sneaky says in the video too that this Pyke is probably bad at Q hooking so, but is kinda of stupid if Vanguard terminates games and bans players for being that good that it is suspicious, is quite ridiculous.

[@Squidmoto3]

@@CoolzTR Trust me, whether she got hit by the Pyke Q's or not she would have gotten banned. Vanguard is checking for impossible clicks and inputs that literally can't be done without scripting or macros. It's got nothing to do with what's actually happening in the game. They have 100's of millions of matches to reference for data so to them finding a scripter is basically just finding the strong outliers

[@CoolzTR]

@Squidmoto3 yeah, fair enough. To me though I'm in low elo so I haven't seen it first hand and watching pro play as well as a few challenger YT/ Twitch players. This Cait's movements is what I expect in mid-high elo but one thing I agree with is though, this Cait should not be dodging almost every skillshot so. If this is what Vanguard should do then I have no complaints I guess. Nor should I even care about it 😅 since I'm trash so

[@dip9995]

@@Squidmoto3that’s how their anti cheat used to work. Vanguard is kernel level so it works by detection programs hooking into League memory. For cheats to work they have to hook league memory, read it, process it, then output mouse and keyboard commands. This can all be tracked by vanguard. It’s not heuristic based detection.

[@bos7522]

Funniest part is I've lost more LP to vanguard error not allowing me to connect to games than I ever did to scripters hehexd

[@vitorossi7839]

Honestly, between the flash traps and all the dodges im surprised Sneaky was so on the fence about the suspect For me it was 4:17 that made me positive he is scripting. Perhaps because it was in slo-mo. He starts moving to cover behind minions (doding) literlaly the same moment the hook gets into vision. The same frame. Sure, to run behind Naut and/or minions is the most logical choice here. Sure, everyone knows the full trap animation never plays out and stuff. But the 0.00001 msec reaction time was just too perfect for my tastes. Especially considering the fact most players on any elo beyond bronze would be standing behind the minions while placing the trap to begin with. But not Cait. As if he is too confident to care about hooks So its not the action itself, but the manner in which it was performed

[@brettrigby2226]

see how as soon as the game starts cait has her starting items. thats one of the ways people are caught out

[@brettrigby2226]

Also you're asking things like "why isn't she trap hacking" the idea isn't to be caught scripting is it xD you press a button to turn that shit on and off. you get hooked on purpose when you know its not going to fatal and you turn that shit on in a team fight

[@user-ov5nd1fb7s]

Whomever named this scripting doesnt understand programming. A program is running these actions in the game. Its not a given that the program is written in a script.

[@Mr2Helios]

This can not be a scripter. His farm is too bad for that. And there is not point in using "dodge" scripts against pike. His Q has decent speed but its not a speeding bullet. Especially when he stops for half a second and then releases his Q. Same for warwick if you are an adc and enemy team has wawick its completely safe to assume that his ult is off cooldown. And with 500 speed his ult almost rivals Zac's speed when his flying. The only weird thing is point blank draven W dodge. But sometimes stuff like this happens.

[@tomsterbg8130]

I'm still not convinced because if the script can do it so can you. Train and get better, but some things are just too obvious like the flash trap. I personally know to predict and line up, but a skill shot is completely different than a trap. Like it'd be way less sus if that was a Lux or Xerath stun.

[@L3thalBows]

if a fresh 30 gets banned for botting (as in botting from level 1-30) it will terminate the match and has the same punishment as scripting

[@bender0428]

I normally agree with sneakys analysis of scripters but even with the small sample size of skill shots in the first game with pyke, I think most trained eyes can definitively say that was scripting. My primary factor to refer to is ONLY the Draven e dodge lol. Just that alone honestly is shooting up the percentage of being a scripter to like 95% chance. Combined with all the other random “minor” sus stuff it easily goes over the 100% mark.

[@MrV1r00zz]

wish they had a more convincing enemy support. like in my humble plat opinion i would say scripts, like against a hook champ what i do mostly is just hug minions for safety but like she is standing out in the open and she pretty much only get hooked when she is actually doing w's due to the minor cast time. then again the pyke is NOT convincing at all and the lack of other skillshots makes it hard BUT the qt clip sealed it for me

[@Profane_Hydra]

Average adc main blaming Support

[@roopepyykkonen8405]

Sure theres different settings on scripts but many scripters can be called just by looking at what frames they dodge / dont dodge. Mostly they start dodging at same frames. Also non scripters wouldnt just ignore every closely missed skill shots they would still actually try to dodge. Also movement during scripting is a tell also. Also some scripters react your cd's coming up which can also be seen in a slow mo in replay theres many way to check multiple things and make conclusion.

[@roopepyykkonen8405]

Also in games with 9-10 low level accounts with majority 60%+ wr's theres been way less sus players after vanguard came up.

[@GoznerPeter]

Thank god upgrading to win 10 solved all your issues.

[@seanh1139]

Pretty sure vanguard can see your clicks. I got accused in this game. Went to watch the replay and it was sus a few times I dodged things with no vision. It’s gotta see your mouse movements.

[@therealmonkfromtibet]

In those cheats, you can turn on/off anytime you want. Probably she turns off when she's safe farming minions, and activate the emergency hotkey whenever she's in trouble.

[@emilemil1]

Scripters will often avoid the types of scripts that are easily detectable, so he's probably using things like a more zoomed out camera, less fog of war, attack range indicators, etc.

[@hadesorcus1142]

It's obvious she's scripting, notice that the only time she's taking a skillshot is during or when she cast a skill at the same time the skillshot was thrown at her, she stops because of the animation 👌🏼

[@arashiOAgaming]

I'm really good at side stepping but it's about reaction time so it was weird she seems unbothered at all with the dodges and nice spot on her auto attack on warwick before that perfect E because if she auto attack that dodge wouldn't look so clean no matter what except for scripting like having a second mouse in game 😂

[@shadowcraftplayer9075]

I'm a software developer and a league player, and I don't think he's using a script at all. I believe he's baiting skillshots on purpose and/or timing them. I can provide evidence of this dodging technique because I use it a lot myself. He might have been manually banned by a human mistaking it for scripting because his timing is perfect. This isn't unusual when using this dodging technique. Here are some examples of dodging using timing, baits, and fake dodges: 1. **Dodging Soraka's E**: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/fprJkIOCfJVgjJY Soraka's E is an ability that can't be dodged by scripts or humans because it has no cast time or animation; the silence area drops instantly. I managed to 'dodge' it by using my E before she pressed her E. This is pure prediction and instinct. 2. **Dodging Mundo's Q**: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/fprJkIOCfJVgjJY I dodge by reacting/timing and predicting where the Q will never go. I move in a direction he doesn't expect, or along the line he expects, which is why I don't tumble to my right or left. 3. **Baiting Yasuo's Q**: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/fprJkIOCfJVgjJY Here, I bait Yasuo's Q by using my own Q to kill Varus. I didn't need to use Q; I could have just used auto-attacks. Instead, I tumbled on purpose to appear exposed, baiting Yasuo to throw his Q at me, allowing me to E flash it and go for Mundo. Obviously, I don't have Faker-level reaction time with 80 ping on a smartphone. I'm baiting Yasuo's Q to E flash Aatrox and dodge it. It's a combination of baiting and timing (prediction). It's like W'ing into an Alistar as Tristana. He'll insta-Q you, so you can do it on purpose in a close fight to "remove" Alistar's Q from the cooldowns you have to worry about. Caitlyn might have done this to bait Warwick's ulti by stopping to "fake auto" him. There's no point in stopping to auto a Warwick; you'd try to escape. By stopping, I'm pretty sure she baited Warwick's ulti, using average human reaction timing to dodge it. 4. **Baiting Aatrox**: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/fprJkIOCfJVgjJY I bait Aatrox by walking into his W, making Yasuo press R on me and die. I knew they didn't have enough damage to kill me from full HP with that combo. 5. **Predicting Varus**: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/fprJkIOCfJVgjJY 6. **Predicting Sivir's movement**: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/fprJkIOCfJVgjJY 7. **Predicting Aatrox's second Q**: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/fprJkIOCfJVgjJY 8. **Predicting/baiting Phantom's W**: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/fprJkIOCfJVgjJY You can tell it's a prediction/bait, not a reaction, because I used my ult before he was in range and walked directly into him. I also used knowledge of skill ranges and movement speed, knowing I could even auto him once before he was in W range. The flash on Gragas is another prediction. I can't react well on a smartphone. On a PC, I can react to skills by watching the animation, but with 100 ping on a smartphone, it's impossible. TL;DR: I think this Caitlyn may have been manually banned for scripting when he's not. The only suspicious thing I saw was the W on Pyke's flash, but that could be a coincidence. Caitlyn might have wanted to trap there to create space between her and Pyke, and at the same time, Pyke wanted to flash on her. This happens a lot. Human thinking and timing are similar for everyone. In-game body language can bait reactions. It's like when you run and a dog starts chasing you; if you turn back, the dog runs away scared. You can bait a dog to chase you by running away on purpose. You can do the same in League to bait skills and flashes.

[@MajorBuzzKill]

Only from the first minute of watching her movement I can already tell she so scripting, she is no only using info like people say in the comments. Orbwalker is very obvious if you have used it before.

[@ShowLeonardo]

Bro was playing with Wild Rift's trap auto aim 😂

[@spearki]

i kinda disagree the first cait game was 2 sus with the trap on pyke flash and the movement on draven e dodge made it clear it was scripting with the amount of pyke hooked dodged imo that wasn't hooman inputs you could see the clear difference in where cait did hooman inputs to dodge hook before it came out and the actual movement after was to inconsistent

[@Liatriss]

1:33 there was another flash trap predict

[@TheGabbia]

I love the "maybe pyke was so bad that made look cait as if she was scripting". Yes obviously, Vanguard, the program made to be an average salty lol player that blames others of scripting instead of saying "im trash" 😂 If the program doesn't works on feelings. If it terminated the game it means that it literally found something.

[@rsg_magfire]

That guy is so good at scripting its kinda easy to miss

[@jacobdalby1105]

I thought it was very clear already early sneaky completely missed the 1 inch dodge pyke q early game 2:46 he has no time to react yet does with micro precision, then again around 3:10 and then top it off with pyke landing qs on everyone else but never caitlyn through the whole game plus the flash trap and alot of other plays Id say 100% scripting

[@BitBam]

casual andy whose been called a scripter, i dodged skillshots like this and i didnt even play ranked. if this is the bar then its doomed

[@BitBam]

11:15 you stop juking when you hear or anticipate the release, or you decide to juke one last time. this is how its done 13:06 the auto attack is to bait the ult

[@DelgaDude]

Hopefully he got HWID banned.

[@colin0516]

only reasonable outcome

[@Black-nf3tx]

That doesnt really do much. PUBG would HWID ban cheaters when I used to play and they would just load up a virtual desktop or use some other hwid spoofer that you can buy. It would get rid of and deter a few, but most cheaters know ways around petty stuff like that

[@drjamaymay405]

​@@Black-nf3tx using a vm is a lot of work. I don't know the breakdown of cheaters and their level of familiarity with computers. But I would assume a reasonable amount of at least 30% would give up facing hwid.

[@DelgaDude]

@@drjamaymay405 Vanguard also doesn't boot if ur using a VM so u can't launch the game in one.

[@Black-nf3tx]

@@drjamaymay405 There's easier methods other than VM's for the ones that are not technically inclined. If you look up "how to get around hwid" there's immediate answers and tons of forums of troubleshooting. It might help get rid of cheaters too stupid to google or poor ones, but they would be filtered eventually anyways due to moving on to cheating in something else or running out of money to waste on cheats every month.

[@akali7355]

Is jungle map cooldown considered as scripting?

[@LittleDrowskie]

You literally get an in-game feature where if u ping a ward, you'll know where the ward was placed and where the war will expire. Jungle map cooldown isn't breaking the game, nor it is unfair. If you have trouble keeping track of your jungle monster's respawn timer, then that's a you problem. Riot is cool with it because it gives people better accessibility. You only get the time also if you kill the jg monsters or you manually place the timer.

[@captainmorgan2530]

No, there are riot approved apps that provide you with that feature.

[@_Libosido]

In the game, flooded with smurfs, is funny to watch players, blaming better players, for cheating. Welcome in the life of bronze/silver division. 🤣 ... Like Cait used only "90° rule" to dodge skilshots and she was hooked, when Pyke was out of her vision. Pyke hook-sound can hear enemy player, so you know, when is Pyke is charging his hook - your job is evade it. Also, Pyke is in the top 10 of support pick rate, so you can get good training in dodging, when you are playing only bot/sup role. Only "sus" was Pyke flash trap. Evading Warwick was using just invulnerability frames ... whole _Dark souls_ are about them, just some layer, what can you learn. I agree with ban, less smurfs means better games, but blaming players for good plays, because you are hardstucked in _your division_ is joke.

[@krystofmares8857]

Well, I also had few games I dodged literaly everything and my dodging style is bit weird

[@warrenlam1082]

CAUGHT

[@yevhentarik4551]

lol now I might be banned cause somebody could think that I am scripting because others play badly … the only sus thing I saw was her instant w on pykes flash … not sure if it help her at all

[@Ryan38475]

i still remember that one zed who flashed first part of my sejuani W perfectly behind my back, surely not a scripter, any sane person perfectly flashes sejuani W first part xd

[@DownForceSimRacing]

I mean ur champ is pretty predictable your gonna run em down and spam abilities so knowing that any half decent player would flash before you land said keyboard smash abilities. Completly normal flash that i do all the time against sej

[@Ryan38475]

@@DownForceSimRacing the problem is that there was literally 0 reason to flash this first part of W + it was far too perfect :|

[@DownForceSimRacing]

@@Ryan38475 its just a prediction flash man idk what to tell you. I literally did the same thing to a sej not 10 games ago.

[@justagosling]

Not enough. This is some regular cait gameplay.

[@artob-yv2xz]

these weeaboo costumes are getting out of hand

[@sean1232]

nautilus spectating too

[@dainanaikenraiko2952]

if cait was scripting should yuumi be banned as well? since she's moving with cait LMAO

[@ravenhawkgameplay3863]

yep 6min 32s freeze or watch that in slow mo...

[@2BsYummySoles]

I feel like its obvious literally because of what imaqtpie said. Cait is just bad, like the traps make perfect sense on why they wouldn't be sus. Takes 1.5 seconds to trap and dude is just going for a constant trap predict on a Pyke flash n shit. Also even look at how he Qs the minion wave when he goes mid. He perfectly aims at like 2 melee minions horizontal when it literally doesn't make sense why he's so bad he can't position his character to hit more than 2 minions. I just feel like Caitlyn isn't going to make it obvious if they are scripting besides how obviously bad the plays are. I know that seems contradictory because scripting would imply he's 'good' mechanically But Caitlyn is literally their only negative wr. Which makes sense because her traps and Q are heavily delayed. So it requires more prediction than reaction. And using Cait traps like that just doesn't make sense. Why would a Caitlyn try so hard to trap someone who's in a bush, mobile, and not cced or put into a predictable trail to force them to walk in it or die. Like 3 traps dead on the target in lane instead of saving one for naut cc. I just feel like its a dead giveaway because who tf in that elo would play like that

[@kyokopetra]

i dont know man. Some impressive plays but it doesnt look too suspicious to me even that trap on pyke flash. I saw some high elo players doing that. But yeah if vanguard says so, maybe it's what is it.

[@gusti14]

Its 100% script easy to tell. Plays super agro vs pyke+draven, dodges absoute all Pyke Draven and Skarner skillshots. The ONLY hook Pyke hit was when Cait dropped a trap at the same time so was impossible to dodge. Sneaky n ppl ego try to deny it unless super obv but i played Dota 1 and s1 League and paterns of scripters / cheaters never change. Sneaky washed.

[@ScappaDappaDo]

Lol

[@Trowoverl0rd]

only get banned for smurfing new bought accounts

[@Qopa]

5:50 he wasn't doing a dodge script coz pyke is just bad but this one is just... lool

[@viennatek2341]

he make e backwards and move forward at the same time 13:42 lol

[@VIKINGzTH]

Kaizer morde such a Chad 🗿🗿🗿

[@unforgiven181]

it is hard to tell.. that Pyke does suck ass at throwing Hooks.

[@tomifilep1]

yo yo first hook miss cait model broke 90° deegre xxd obv scripter

[@kolyn003]

I've seen a scripter jayce once but dude lost to a garen since he has no skillshots😂😂😂