Australia's Toll Road Debacle.. We've Had Enough!

[@corycanavan5794]

Mate I live in Victoria and am an interstate truck driver and I agree with you “ at least Ned Kelly wore a fucking mask “

[@marktiltins8845]

These people don't need a mask because they are faceless,

[@corycanavan5794]

@@marktiltins8845 aye and then expect you to be polite and respectful whilst they’re robbing you no less !!!!

[@jtv3421]

Now you wonder who the real bandits were and why Ned Kelly as an 'outlaw'

[@corycanavan5794]

@@jtv3421 exactly 👍

[@bobbrown8661]

At least Ned Kelly had a heart.

[@mitchellbeckett5829]

Definition of highway robbery

[@lloydsingline340]

Captain Thunderbolt was a Robin Hood compared to these taxation thieves.

[@_wallnutz_]

The Australian Constitution states that “once a TAX is placed on anything by the Federal Gov. - no other TAX can be charged by any other Gov. State, Local Councils or otherwise even if that tax is removed by the Feds. Fuel Excise is a tax charged by the Federal Gov. for building roads, tunnels, and bridges - also for the maintenance of these constructions. Back in 1979 Fuel Excise replaced Road Tax. Every time you buy fuel for your car, truck, lawnmower or boat you pay 52 cents per liter Fuel Excise. When you pay your vehicle Registration or Drivers Licence's - part of those charges goes towards roads, bridges, and tunnels. Therefore all Roads, Bridges, and Tunnels are paid for by the Australian People, as a result, the people own the Roads, Bridges, and Tunnels. Section 92 of the Constitution of Australia, as far as is still relevant today is: “... trade, commerce, and intercourse among the States, whether by means of internal carriage or ocean navigation, shall be absolutely free.”

[@bushranger51]

@@_wallnutz_ Unfortunately we have such a bunch of illiterate bastards running all forms of Government, none of then could ever READ the Constitution much less understand it.

[@greebj]

Facts A) they get away with it because the courts let them do every kind of tax except income tax B) s92 is about not taxing trade across state borders (among = between)

[@jonnies]

Dude’s robbing himself. Hasn’t he heard of an eTag and paying your fee on time? More than half his costs were from completely avoidable admin fees. This video is very dishonest and disingenuous in that regard.

[@greghayes9118]

The 3 most obvious reasons why tolls are unlawful 1. Linkt is a monopoly. See High Court case, Cable & Wireless vs Testra. 2. It is outright anti competitive behaviour to commercialise the most efficient routes. 3. If there was one dollar of public spent on building those roads, they are all public thoroughfares which cannot be monetised. 4. Bonus point, my father and Grandfather did not serve in 4 wars combined to have our freedom of movement stolen.

[@UToobUsername01]

How do we fight back? The illegal aliens have gangs and they are armed with weapons.

[@catprog]

But what happens if the goverment sells the road to the private company. Same as telstra, commonwealth bank and many other public assets that were sold.

[@riptyurass302]

Well, if the roads aren’t publically funded I don’t see a problem with it. The point of tolls is to let you pay for the convenience of a road that wasn’t publically funded. If a private company wants to build a road to make your life easier and charges you for it, it’s not a problem. You do have a freedom of choice here, you can take the slower road that existed before the multi million dollar motorway.

[@johnks6733]

@@riptyurass302 All heavy vehicles over 4.5t (excluding motorhomes and buses) must use the Toowoomba Bypass (toll road) unless you have a local destination in Toowoomba or need to access the New England Highway

[@garreysellars5525]

​@@johnks6733 Correct so that eliminates the above argument of choice

[@jjkanal640]

In the European countries with tolls, the roads are literally resurfaced yearly and improvements to the infrastructure is done because the money goes directly to the road management services. In Australia, it goes to rich peoples pockets..

[@riptyurass302]

Cmon, let’s not pretend that the tolls in Europe aren’t going to rich people either.

[@jjkanal640]

@@riptyurass302 maybe or maybe not, but I see change and that's all I care about

[@Mike_221]

​@@riptyurass302Have you driven on french freeways? They make UK and our roads look like goat tracks.

[@chriscarey5728]

​@Mike_221 our roads are goat tracks. No question about it. If you spend any period of time travelling the roads outside Melbourne in Victoria you'll see what a sad state they're in. I laugh at our vehicles needing to be "roadworthy" when the opposite isn't true. The roads I drive on daily are more pothole than road. Have been for years!

[@jjkanal640]

@@Mike_221 french, Italian, Spanish and Portuguese highways are amazing! Feels like you're floating on a cloud lol

[@klingonwarrior9722]

What gets me real mad is the M5 in Sydney is a carpark in the mornings, you're literally doing 0km/h at times and then crawl at 10km/hr while looking at the signs saying 100km/hr. I think we should lobby the government that if we cannot drive at the advertised speed we should not have to pay a cent, they should pay us for being late to work. I look at the carpark in the M5, cars are at a meter away from each other going up as far as the eye can see and I wonder how much tolls they're collecting for making us sit there. Its a joke.

[@Mercurio-Morat-Goes-Bughunting]

Actually, I recommend you take that up with the operator. Call them. Make them spend time on the phone with you while you demand a refund. Send them a demand in writing. It's basic consumer law. So, then, your next stop is Consumer Affairs, at ASIC. Australian consumers have rights and if enough people make some noise, ASIC will drag these guys through the wringer. It's how we got the big arrogant companies like Microsoft to toe the line. That was from complaints lodged around 2000-2002 and, by the end of the decade, Microsoft had been forced to make changes to their EULA which they were unwilling to make.

[@paulmarshall248]

why lobby government to not pay the toll if you cant do the speed limits .. lets lobby government to get rid of the Toll roads they are not needed and they are paid for thousands of times over ..

[@MonaroMan-j6j]

Toll roads are meant to ease congestion. Instead they attract congestion.

[@Mercurio-Morat-Goes-Bughunting]

@@MonaroMan-j6j 💯

[@martinkopp8759]

In Sydney the system is so corrupt that the government was forbidden to build a railway line because it would compete with the private toll road. And other roads were closed or turned into bus lanes to force people onto the toll roads. You CAN avoid them all, but they made sure it would cost you in extra travel time. The premier at the time was well compensated by the toll company when he finally got voted out. Absolute corruption and it wasn't even being hidden.

[@miguelfigueiredo3910]

Boycot, don't use tolls! If everyone done that, they'll maybe, just maybe remove the tolls. But the criminals will probably find other ways to steal our money

[@RossReviewsau]

Extremely corrupt! I’m going back to investigate this terrible situation

[@N4CR]

buyt the west isn't corrupt! it's only Russia and North Korea! lmao. IF people knew how the monetary/taxation system worked and who was behind it, there would be no more political buildings left in the morning.

[@mattyb1624]

​@RossReviewsau please do investigate, we need to find the facts and get them out to the public.

[@miguelfigueiredo3910]

@RossReviewsau try but you can't stop these corrupt people

[@MartinJones123]

They make us pay so much in rego and taxes, yet the roads are worse than ever here in Victoria...

[@Disxs]

funny we have to get roadworthy on our cars but the roads arent car worthy

[@MartinJones123]

@@Disxs Yeah it's a joke... Also KZbin has glitched and I can see your reply twice lol

[@lookingoverhell3448]

@@MartinJones123 least you get a reply , lol

[@MartinJones123]

@@Disxs Edit: All good

[@MartinJones123]

@@lookingoverhell3448 Eh... I don't care too much if I don't...

[@johnkauppi7078]

Our politicians and their corporate mates just keep coming up with new and inventive ways to fuck us over.

[@alibarber57]

@johnkauppi7078 the govt are the debt enforcers for the corporations, which are becoming the owners of all our infrastructure. The govt are a corporation as well It's the biggest fraud going

[@pinnacle1717]

@@johnkauppi7078 Now that’s what you call real “truth telling” 🤣

[@phoenixx5092]

it is so bad.. that even google maps added an "Avoid tolls" tick box

[@Agret]

Pretty sure you can use that feature in any country, it's not just for Australia 😊

[@justmechanicthings]

@@Agret yeah it's been there for over a decade

[@pkd6369]

thanks didnt know that PLEASE ALL DO THIS!!!!!!

[@greghudson9717]

Remember that old saying when someone rings a call centre? RTFM. Read The Fu^%$# Manual !

[@braver4383]

Perpetual toll roads are illegal monopolies but what’s worse is land tax. How can a government request money be paid for land that is not even owned by them through extortion?

[@TopoTopo-ed5vv]

It's these weak corrupt politicians who done these poor deals for hard working people.

[@frankwren8215]

They're not weak, they brutally crushed grandma for being outdoors in 2020-2022. They're just corrupt.

[@BryanM63]

My guess is they have shares in Transurban

[@frankwren8215]

@@BryanM63 they 100% do, and get kickbacks

[@7ismersenne]

Exactly. The politicians who implement these ripoff scams should be prosecuted for dereliction of public duty (or whatever actual law applies). It is disgraceful but more than than it has negative economic effect increasing the cost of goods and services.

[@Optimiser113]

Exactly!

[@tkx86]

I am a HC driver who does grave yard shifts out of Chullora in Sydney and you would think for the the billions we spend on the toll roads and all the road works that go on during the night time they would be pristine. Wrong! M4 is a prime example. The road has graded areas that dip and turn into troughs and want to pull your rig left right and centre. I think Australia was once the great country but right now, we have been sold out on so many fronts.... out of my $101,000 I made last year the government dipped in and took nearing $25,000 and I had to fight tooth and nail to claw back $1,019.00 in my tax return....... Yet here we are with our natural resources being pilfered by private companies paying zero taxes, zero tarrifs and zero respect for the citizens who grace this land by doing that. It is unreal. Lets target the working class and squeeze them dry but god forbid we look after them abit better and squeeze the multi national companies who pay 0.

[@OPsalv]

Oath well said. How tf do we protest this bs without being labeled some right or left nonsense

[@professionalhuman4429]

Hear, hear! ❤

[@pinnacle1717]

This is the absolute truth of how in Australia we have been screwed by corrupt politicians for the last 50 years. & This is where we are at! Foreign owned private companies even take our gas for nothing, export it & sell it for $$$billions to overseas markets. Meanwhile we pay a motza for domestic gas & face shortages in our own country. Just one example of hundreds of similar arrangements with big business & the government. All resources should be publicly owned, & the profits should go towards the people of Australia! How did this all go so wrong? Why should 1 or 2 people (Gina Reinhardt, Andrew Forest, Clive Palmer, etc) be allowed to own everything & take billions of dollars every year for themselves? It’s wrong! These politicians & bureaucrats should be locked up! No one is held accountable!

[@russellhorsefield9199]

I know it bloody sucks that multinationals pay sweet bugger tax but if they did then we the rank n file would be paying more for that same ole shit. As much as I do not like it , we do take the good with the bad.

[@sickwog09]

How naive, no the money goes to a private company.

[@DabDabGoose]

Tolls are a racket in Australia the companies are in bed with the government and this problem only gets worse over time. They get away with it because Australian's in general are politically lazy.

[@alibarber57]

The marriage of govt and corporations is the very definition of FASCISM

[@grantsoliman8231]

True 💯

[@gregbishop610]

​@@alibarber57lol

[@Patrick-zr8tv]

While true, I don't think that's actually because we are inherently politically lazy. I just think there's little avenue for change that smaller groups of people can influence. You basically need 100,000 people in the state to riot to get something done. And even then it will often be a massive compromise. How are we meant to compete when the law makers are the very ones we are fighting? They either have their own vested interest in, or are pocketed by, the companies they are pushed to work against. The Australian government is full of holes and corrupted beyond repair. It's no longer democratic. It's essentially Roman. The Patricians sit the throne while the plebeians rummage around in the squalor beneath.

[@Convulsionz]

you mean Australians are weak

[@GrantBroom]

Fifty cents of every dollar spent on petrol in Australia is taxed for road building and upkeep. We are all getting screwed

[@RossReviewsau]

Fax

[@EthanD19]

Yeah but then they gotta deal with councils, land surveying (with multiple companies who charge alot), creating the road, upkeep, safety tests and analysis, construction time, vehicle weights architecture.... anyway it becomes alot but also they rought it so it takes forever to be even amended or pushed forward. But it's not just that AFTER its done you watch cops etc show up to catch people on them 😂😂 happens so much. If only we could all vote on the government's individual decisions (at least on a council basis even through an app)... but noooooo let them discuss things and do things behind closed doors and behind all our backs. Sure I get some things you don't share with the people but we can't even be let to decide anymore lol.

[@reubencharles3221]

What’s amazing is in Melbourne, you’re charged an average of $9.98 to use the Burnley tunnel up to the Monash Freeway, which saves a total of approx 10 minutes (15 at best). Transurban is just purely robbing us. And what’s worse is they’ve just been granted the contract for the west gate tunnel to make billions more.

[@greghudson9717]

Don't forget the new NorthLink from the Eastern Freeway (soon to be a tollway) to the M80 Freeway ring road.

[@mattyb1624]

We sold our roads built with tax payer $$$ to private companies, that now charge us to drive on them.

[@alibarber57]

@@mattyb1624 we didn't sell them . The corrupt govt did

[@BACKBEAT61]

sold or leased?

[@mattyb1624]

@BACKBEAT61 sold. QLD gateway motorway was sold. Tax payers paid for it, now we get charged to drive on it.

[@alibarber57]

@mattyb1624 look up the major shareholders and trace it back. Blackrock and Vanguard will show up somewhere along the line Easy to see what's going on here

[@catprog]

By selling it did the tax payers get the money back?

[@gregwalker2151]

I've got a strata mowing and cleaning business in Sydney with two vehicles. My tolls are over $1,000 a month! Yes, it's a joke. Our governments don't give a damn about the people. Especially the self-employed. Thanks for putting this vid together.

[@andrewmcleod9312]

Are you serious !? Good lord have mercy 😵‍💫 SO glad I Dont live near tolls. All the best to you and your business. Take care god bless.

[@greghudson9717]

Anyone who pays $1000 a month (tax deductible) should switch on the AVOID TOLLS option in Google Maps (IMO)

[@geoffreybanditt4355]

It is sad that Australia is deliberately being destroyed by government corruption. For much we have to pay for vehicle registration here in Queensland their should be no excuse for having toll roads and very poorly maintained roads that are contently damaging suspension components on vehicles from stuff like random bumps and potholes in the road surface.

[@jesus_built_my_hotrod]

It's sad that people keeping coughing up for bullshit fees.

[@maxinerizzon9090]

100 percent ​@jesus_built_my_hotrod

[@garawa1987]

You know what's really sad is that most Australians are absolute gutless cowards we know our governments rip us off yet we continue just go along with it personal we deserve everything that's coming our way we can't even fight for our children's future ffs Australians stand up to these tyrants they are stealing our freedom every day

[@kajak012]

The government is a cooperation us the people are slaves

[@wonderwalls3565]

tolls are private business. this is pure capatalism greed. same with cost of living, nothing to do with government corruption.

[@tonytutone2003]

There are now toll roads in Sydney that I was using 30yrs ago that were not toll roads. Doesn’t make sense. Also. When I left Victoria last time I owed over $2g in overdue tolls. If I now tried to go back I would probably go to jail. I can’t imagine how much interest they have now added. It is criminal activity enforced by the state. 🤬

[@neilr4867]

Victoria isn't organised enough to prosecute you mate. You'll be fine. The courts are full because nobody can pay for anything. I literally had a text reminder about a speeding fine from 4 years ago last week 😂

[@catey62]

@@neilr4867 Here in South Australia, if you dont pay any traffic fines on time, they suspend your drivers licence for three months, and stop you from being able to register your car if you dont, as well as adding late fees to the fines too. so you just cant get away with it here. 😕

[@iengishu5]

@@catey62 Actually it;s way worse than that on many levels, under some circumstances you have to pay an acknowledge fee just for the privilege of being disqualified. There are people in this state daily being sent to jail for driving disqualified. Not for hurting anyone or stealing anything, but for driving to work. The majority of road traffic laws in this country are crafted, designed by bureaucrats and enacted by politicians for the sole purpose of making money to pay their bloated salary's and retirement packages. There are countless people who have never had a license because they ran foul of the draconian road traffic act in their youth. I often hear the ridiculous BS argument that driving is a privilege not a right. NO it is a right, you pay taxes on the car you buy,taxes on the fuel you use in it, taxes on the roads you drive on, you contribute to the wages of the parasites that police the roads you pay for the courts that happily enforce these most unjust and heartless, in humane laws that effect mainly young family's. If you went to a bank for a house loan, you get the loan, you buy the house, years later you miss a payment so they ban you from living in the house for three months and if you and your young family have the audacity to continue to live in the house they'll ban you from living in it for 3 years or put you in jail, while still paying the mortgage. Your living in this house is a privilege bestowed by us. Yeah fcuk off.

[@spoonm1237]

Australia has been overrun with corrupt politicians for a long time and hopefully sooner than later we wise up to and take a stand before it’s too late.

[@RossReviewsau]

The swamp needs draining

[@ghostinplainsight4803]

You want to talk about resistance. What did the covid numbers end up being? 30% resisted till the last day, 5% refused. 95% fell inline with the biggest psyop in modern history. Most cheered it on.

[@nicklazarakis4837]

Yes, you r right. We are all sick of it

[@jamied1579]

It's just indicative of how comfortable the country has become with government and corporate predation, corruption, and excessive taxation. People just put up with it, grumble under their breath, and do nothing. If people stopped using these roads, just for a week, it would send a message

[@johnnykeys1978]

I did. It didn't work. No boycott I have ever done has ever worked because the laziness and gullibility of the rest of the population.

[@dalelane1948]

you gotta put up, or they take your licence

[@johnnykeys1978]

tried, didn't work. Just like every other boycott - its ruined by the lazy and gullible.

[@garybob212]

​@@dalelane1948and put you in debt at the same time

[@Shivian124]

Taxation is NOT the issue. Destruction of PROGRESSIVE taxation and replacement with REGRESSIVE taxation is the problem. We NEED taxation for society. We need roads, hospitals, police, schools, unis, nation building infrastructure, developing new industries so our workers have a future. The problem is stuff like the GST are regressive, destroying top tax brackets has put the tax burden on the POOR and let billionaires pay less tax percent than school teachers. An abomination. We also let corporations gouge and the penalties are tiny compared to their profits. We built a housing market on the premise of it being an investment for retirement ensuring it would grow beyond inflation which terminally prices out most Aussies from ever affording a house remotely close to their workplaces.

[@nathansharma87]

Im so sick of corporations amd politicians in bed together. They dont even try hide it now. Were not getting squeezed from all angles anymore were fkn being wringed out.

[@RossReviewsau]

Spot on

[@paulinebell4873]

wonder how much taxes are paid by the toll road operators. overseas corporate dont have a good track record for that...

[@alibarber57]

Called FASCISM

[@metcruza5536]

You bet. They do the same with housing Govt could build houses like Singapore but you think developers will allow that....not a chance.

[@davepastern]

@@paulinebell4873 probably like Apple Australia - 1%. The time is fast approaching for a new political party for the people. 1 that will serve the people and will remove the ability for large corporations to milk our tax systems, punish politicians (including the ability to sack them, instantly) and make these same politicians legally accountable. Fun fact - a politician doesn't even have tor respond to a constituents query or complaint. They can ignore you (and do) and you can't do anything about it. I was told by the governor general that the only thing I can do, is vote them out at the next election. Shit has gotta change. Pronto.

[@daemon1143]

The price for living in a mock democracy where the people actually have no say and the nation is run by unelected bureaucrats with no accountability and upon which we have absolutely no recourse.

[@adampatrick9639]

Did you know your toll money actually goes to overseas private corporations? The road tolls are not government owned.

[@greghudson9717]

Wrong. All toll roads are operated by TransUrban (wholly Australian owned). Look them up on the stock market.

[@7starlight32]

The most shocking part is that the people who complain about the taxes and tolls keep voting in the idiots that make us pay 🤯

[@rogerreverence4737]

Voting 2 party system is a scam

[@dannymars]

The government has changed multiple times throughout all of this. So really, you can’t win.

[@BaileyChap]

I mean it's not like we exactly get a choice, "bad person A or bad person B?"

[@PJW-j2q]

Next time at the polling booth flip a coin.... Heads = Idiot...... Tails = Idiot...... Check Mate😅

[@wassim9763]

there's hope though, more of the electorate under the age of 43 votes Greens over Liberals. Loyal to a party is insane, be loyal to policy only.

[@stevej.6674]

I’m just getting sick of society in general now. The food is toxic, a roof over your head costs the Earth, to get anywhere costs a fortune & takes FOREVER!

[@UToobUsername01]

Then form a freedom fighter organisation. Everyone complains but nobody want to fight fascism.

[@lioncross1849]

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[@lioncross1849]

@@UToobUsername01 kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4OXdH-qiq13bMksi=6sGk59xiraj6T061

[@greghudson9717]

Get a bike.

[@UToobUsername01]

@@greghudson9717 they have flying hover cars now. (single seater) Look it up. They look giant drones you sit on. This could solve many problems.

[@justcars10]

Sydney man here. This is why I straight up don't use toll roads, AT ALL. Even if it takes 20 mins more, the government ain't getting any more of my hard-earned cash.

[@Spratdragon]

Don't worry they are from the tax of the extra fuel you are using.

[@justcars10]

@@Spratdragon As also a transport worker, I make use of free public transport and barely drive. Only if I have to get somewhere where public transport doesn't reach, then I drive.

[@binaryhelix101]

Tolls are run by a private company, the government is not getting much for it, in fact I'm pretty sure government are subsiding drivers that frequently use toll roads.

[@anmolsaxena_]

The government doesn't get your toll money, Transurban does

[@justcars10]

Government still used essentially taxpayers money to build the toll roads. And the fact that these toll roads are still taking money off taxpayers long after they're paid off is still a greedy thing. Government or not, I ain't using those scam roads.

[@johnblyth9787]

I done courier driving for 9 months in Brisbane. I had a $600 top up on my E tag. Some months i would get 2 top ups. 1,200 gone. A few times i took a wrong turn, TOLL, go back TOLL. $10 gone on a $5 job. Now retired and getting it all bacm in my pension. Hope I live a few more years. Ned Kelly was a Gentlemen.

[@StevenHaze]

I have been saying that for 20 years! we are not in the top five of most taxed citizens! We need to return to the same as Denmark an Finland. Low taxes is why life is shit, medicare is falling apart. why all hospitals are now private. Why no government runs/manages any services anymore! Toll roads are merely a symptom of the sickness!

[@RossReviewsau]

Profits 💰🚨

[@johnstath9666]

You really want to hear a joke. I live in the bayside council district in Sydney. On my rates notice I have a safer city levy base and residential and an infrastructure levy base and residential. These are new charges, I assume the infrastructure levy is about the new M6 extension and a new bridge they put up and the safer city levy is about all the cameras going up. Don’t recall a local referendum on this stuff. Nor do they take any responsibility for all the vibrational damage done to existing properties in the district to the localised properties resulting from all this construction. So where are the ombudsmen or government overseers to look into this bullshit. And as you rightly point out these are the most profitable projects globally

[@paradiselost9946]

dear mr kean "filled in hornsby quarry". made it into "hornsbys centennial park"! (wtf?) charged us a levy on the rates... to use fill from the northconnex... that was costing taxpayers to "dispose of"... most people agree that a water reservoir would have made far more sense, but you cant build dams... theyre naughty. especially if theres already a stinking great big hole there...can make tunnels though. then force the trucks down them at $35 apiece... didnt build us a bridge, maybe... to like... connect places... reduce travel times... alternate routes... for just general road infrastructure like they may have done seventy years or more ago if the need arose like it has now... oh no, we did get a main road closed for several months... sure, it rained and machines werent available and more rain and stuff, but still... bridge would be nice... theres only like 50M to span in places... romans could do it 2000 years ago... instead we had to rely on a ferry (breaking down regularly now) and one single lane botteleneck... to service "new thriving development schemes"... now he scampers like the rat he is... poor rats, i mean no insult... oooh... down south... coalcliff? cutcliffe? the seabridge... whoever designed, approved, thought of, and actually did that... deserves a medal... iunno, only done it once or twice but that really is something else again... why cant we have more infrastructure like THAT?

[@xDMG15x]

The infrastructure levy on your rates is a local council tax, and major roadways are funded by federal government. That infrastructure levy is likely just a vague term that doesn’t refer to anything specific and is just a way of increasing your rates and making it seem like council is not directly responsible.

[@shanesmith8336]

They be in the Cigar Lounge giggling!

[@dfsilversurfer]

in england road toll cameras keep getting the grinder virus. soon to be here imo

[@xDMG15x]

@@dfsilversurfer if someone could invent some way to obfuscate your licence plate from cameras but not from eyes, there could be a market for it.

[@rightuare63]

We are so ripped off in this country with everything

[@RossReviewsau]

We are the social experiment for taking as much as humanly possible

[@badnipple]

​@@RossReviewsauwe really are. My sister did thr research and we actually are. Time to leave

[@mrenglishjones7663]

Two simple reasons for high cost of living - govt fees and company monopolies; we get them both with toll roads. And they use offshore call centres so we don't even gain jobs.

[@UToobUsername01]

the globalists own the private western central banks.

[@theaussienurseflipper.8113]

When the gateway bridge was built they said once it was paid for they would remove the toll whose built in 1986 and early 1990s it was paid for but they kept the toll going. And they had a tolls to the Logan motorway which is ridiculous. They put tolls on the roads on the Sunshine coast but the locals who are quite rich I'd say stood there with signs every day for months until the government took the toll away. It's crapped politicians who took bribes from these companies to run these tolls. It's private business, just not right that these politicians aren't investigated to why they allow this to happen.

[@poorsillyboy]

The privatisation of public infrastructure in Australia is a disaster for the subjects who are forced to use it! When they start blocking off alternative routing! It’s extremely greedy & does not help those who can least afford it! There’s no concessions for pensioners or the aged, it’s sooo wrong! The government should force a buy back scheme at next to nothing! They’ve made more than enough!

[@oldmatelinc]

The funny part is how they said back in the day that once the gateway is paid off no more tolls.........its was like 1.50 back in the day now its over 5/6 dollar's 🤦‍♂️

[@KenOath42]

I accidently drove on a toll road in Melbourne a couple years ago. So I wrote to them before they could write to me and I notified them that I intend to pay them a total of zero dollars and zero cents. They had a little whinge about it, I ignored it. Fk'em.

[@Tech-49]

Toll road enforcement in Melbourne goes to the State Government so if you've ignored toll invoices that then turns into an infringement notice which will end up as a Sheriffs warrant that can see you car booted and your rego cancelled if unpaid. So congratulations on turning a $2 toll into that.

[@jxmai7687]

haha, compare to NSW, Melbourne road toll is much lower, after a trip to NSW I feel mach better with Melbrourne road troll.

[@KenOath42]

@@Tech-49 Oh no I'm so terrified....but na they cant ever find me I change states and licences like you change underwear. Also haven't put money in a parking meter or paid a fine in over 15 years. I continue to operate a motor vehicle in a safe manor on public roads no problem whatsoever hahaha. You hava nice day old mate and dont forget to pay your extortion money to your government

[@KenOath42]

@@Tech-49 Oh no I'm so terrified...But na truth is I change states and licences like I change my underwear...they cant ever seem to find me. Also haven't put money in a parking meter or paid a fine in over 15 years. And I still continue to operate a motor vehicle in a safe manner on public roads no problem whatsoever haha. You have a nice day old mate and dont forget to pay your extortion money to your government for you existing upon the earth, I decline, thank you.

[@KenOath42]

@@Tech-49 I've tried to tell you how to do it twice but my comment keeps being deleted. Sorry can't help you mate

[@fearme46]

Melbourne born and raised here and yes, the tolls are f**king ridiculous. The current government here lets transurban/citylink fund building these roads/tunnels as well as the tax payers, in return they get to extend decades onto the toll contracts of existing roads. It’s a racket. I can’t speak for other states but the tolls in Melbourne are actually easily avoidable for the most part, all the old roads are still there. My gf has lived here in the inner suburbs her whole life and only just started using tollways last year as I put her car on my pass. On your way back through just set your maps to avoid tolls, it really won’t take that much longer.

[@hasanaziz7846]

I've been saying this for years we are getting ripped off big time, stop voting these corrupt politicians and giving them the freedom to do what they want to all us Australians time to fight back

[@fibienn250]

I have a tag for Sydney which is supposed to automatically work for toll roads in other states. I frequent travel to Queensland and for some reason my tag doesn’t work. Every single trip results in multiple bills with admin charges. Of course we object to the charges. You should see the hoops that we have to jump through, just to prove that they’ve made a mistake. We’ve complained, we’ve obtained a new tag. Nothing changes. We even asked about getting a tag specific to QLD, but apparently that can result in being charged twice. I have to wonder if they do this to other people; perhaps it’s just another cash grab strategy.

[@flamesoftwilight]

Speaking as a Brisbane resident. I just don't ever use the toll roads. Id rather take an extra 10 mins than deal with the toll nonsense

[@bennuballbags2]

Ten minutes? In melbourne try like an hour or two

[@TripleBarrel06]

Yeah you're inner suburbs if the toll roads only save 10 mins. That being said I never look forward to major infrastructure projects because I know someone will sell it to Transurban so they can slap another bloody toll on it.

[@nagelixin]

The late 90's minority coalition state government removed the tolls on the Sunshine Motorway, solely to retain the seat the for then liberal local member. The member Joan Sheldon was also the state treasurer.

[@redplanet7163]

@@nagelixin Yes, I remember that toll on the way in and out of Maroochydore. It was good to see it gone.

[@XHPBT1]

I turn off “toll roads” on google maps. I found often it’s a 2-3min difference and when I go off toll roads, it actually ends up being the same: but watch out, google maps changed you to toll road even if you select no tolls road and next thing you’re driving through a tunnel that doesn’t save you any time. So you have to actually turn off toll roads all together!!

[@dorsia6938]

Its not just because of this, but this country needs some kind of systemic overhaul. We are getting absolutely pillaged by the oligarchy.

[@UToobUsername01]

Evil is more powerful than good down here. It is a concrete jungle. That is why the plan to destroy this world will come into effect when the evil reaches its peak.

[@MrRez808]

The reason Australia has a lot of these unfair systems is down to one simple fact. We are the only Democracy in the world without a Bill or Charter of human rights. With a bill of rights a government can not intact any laws or policies that cause undue harm through physical, mental, financial etc. Such as continuing to have tolls without giving a good reason. Hidden or unmarked speed cameras as this would be seen as entrapment.

[@hoonaticbloggs5402]

In Britain we do have a bill of rights, but bet your ass they don’t care about it. We are taxed to high heaven here

[@kingprone7846]

@@hoonaticbloggs5402 was gonna say. It might seem frustrating, and yes the tolls are very high. However, driving in general is dirtycheap in Aus compared to UK (and elsewhere in europe). No inspections, any idiot can get a licence here, hardly any penalties from insurances or registration for driving high powered cars. Petrol a bit cheaper, electricity MUCH cheaper for EVs. Taxes are a bit less too than in the UK. I avoid tollroads but at the end of the day australians spend very little to be able to drive. Only thing that is annoying here is that you cant really drive fast as there are too many idiots on the road and traffic rules are either not enforced or dont make sense. Also always need to pay for full comp insurance given the amount of bogans on the road who drive without insurance.

[@jesus_built_my_hotrod]

​@@kingprone7846 nsw has yearly rwc requirements

[@mj_aussie_coaster_travels8310]

I don’t think you know what entrapment is.

[@GuntherGlesti]

Australia is a signatory to the bill of human right. We have a human rights commissioner. That did absolutely nothing as our governments locked us down during the pandemic!!! That goes against the charter or human rights!!!

[@SCHEY101]

When I lived in France a rego inspection was all that was required to keep your car on the road which allows people to afford good comprehensive insurance, I just spent $1200 for a green slip and registration. This country is a humanitarian disaster! And we thank the aboriginals for letting us exist here? THEY CAN BLOODY WELL HAVE IT!

[@RossReviewsau]

Completely agree! I’m also so sick of the PC abo garbage 🗑️

[@grogginess]

For everyone's information 🎉🎉🎉🎉 You do NOT need a toll tag, you can pay cash in the mail for the toll amount. DO NOT PAY ADMIN FEE Post ALL NSW tolls back to the 5003 lock bag with registered mail. (All together in the one return) Keep the tracking number. Cash is legal tender in Australia and they cannot refuse as payment. They will email you a reminder notice around 1 month later. Post them back wirh a letter saying you paid these tolls in cash and provide them the tracking number. I've been doing this for years since they removed cash booths

[@marsbars1105]

I had $60 in admin fees once when Google maps decided to automatically re-route me into several toll roads to save 5 minutes. Ended up getting the tag instead and only cost about $15. Admin fees are a massive scam...

[@LambBoy98]

This is incorrect. Currency and legal tender in Australia is governed by two primary pieces of legislation: the Currency Act 1965 (Cth); and the Reserve Bank Act 1959 (Cth). There is no law against a business refusing to accept cash for goods and services. Businesses are within their rights to set the commercial terms upon which payment will take place before the ‘contract’ for supply of goods or services is entered into.

[@Jamesg114]

@@LambBoy98 Not certain but pretty sure legal tender just means it has to be accepted when paying off a debt, which in this case (from WA so not sure how it works) assuming the tolls are paid to government or government agency/department they would have to accept it

[@NicholasCox85]

During covid and the following years, it has been proven that they don't have to accept cash!

[@UToobUsername01]

@@LambBoy98 businesses are governed by laws of the land. They don't get to make stuff up. Notice how you don't provide any sources for what you just said? Yeah..STFU!

[@queenslander7756]

I give stupid toll fine notices and their exorbitant late payment surcharges the respect they deserve. Straight in the bin!😡

[@nevillejohnson8316]

Remember when the West Gate Bridge had toll booths, throw your money in as you went through. Booths were removed once the bridge was paid for... So glad I live in South Australia these days with no need to go anywhere near east coast. Even with new north /south road upgrade happening in Adelaide, no tolls. Road construction is costing something like 9 Billion dollars...

[@redgc899]

They did the same thing for the M4 in NSW, removed the cash toll booths once the road was paid off. Trqnsurban rolls in and puts toll points at church st parramatta all the way to the city. And the tolls are more expensive than ever. Also I've heard that the heavy vehicle toll cost for the lane cove tunnel is $25 each way and drivers have to use that unless they have dangerous goods.. what a scam

[@Nohandle249]

I live in Melbourne and the cost of using these roads are a joke. Greed is too nice a word to describe Transurban and consecutive governments. Worst thing is, it doesn't improve travel times. Also interesting is the toll Rd is limited to 80kmh but it connects to a none tolled part of the freeway and no matter what the weather that is always 100kmh. Motorist are being scammed by these low life scum. No one would object a toll that paid for the road but to profit from it in such a way is criminal. Especially in this economic situation Australia finds itself in.

[@alanhilder1883]

I live a few hours north of Sydney. I have driven into Sydney upto 3 times in the last decade. Well I could get one of those E tags, sure, but that has about $50 or more cost and it needs to be renewed... The fines are still cheaper than "doing the correct thing." How about this, If you use the toll roads less that twice a year ( into and out of equals once ) then ignore it, the prosecution costs are higher than "lost income". ( this would mean that you could drive from Melbourne to Brisbane twice a year with no toll costs). For those in the area, their cost is capped to ( I don't know what, something reasonable ).

[@rossmyerscough9278]

I am a retired pensioner and drive a Ute to tow my caravan. It is registered as a private vehicle but they charge me an extortion commercial rate. I protested and they told me to lobby the government if I wanted a private rate.

[@famdrijver]

Same, over $65 just to drive through the city to go to Melbourne with a caravan

[@alexanderralph8341]

You do realise they don't give a fuck whether you use your ute for work or not, right?

[@Agret]

​@@alexanderralph8341They do, they charge it as a commercial vehicle

[@catey62]

You might be able to get it changed for private use. perhaps visit your local rego office and find out. I'm in S.A., and back in the 80's I owned a HQ panel van. the previous owner had modified it, and also had it registered as a 'touring van', meaning you only paid standard car registration for it. not sure what he had done to do that, but I'm sure someone might be able to help if you ask.

[@ozemale6t928]

That's not an admin fee. It is the "you didn't give us access to your card/account" fee. FYI, in Qld the video matching fee is charged if the system doesn't detect an E-toll, even if you have an E-toll and it doesn't trigger. I had one that stopped working, and it was a few days before I noticed and let them know. They only waived the video matching fee for the trips made after I notified them while waiting for the replacement. It's a BS charge, since their system takes a photo of every vehicle passing a toll point, regardless of whether their is an E-toll triggered.

[@rtyt2007]

Melbourne tolls suck. I always keep google maps on to avoid them. Already pay an arm and a leg in rego fees so not paying more. Shame they are making all this profit and not fixing our shitty roads

[@willynebula6193]

Not sure if it's the same in melb? Here in syd, and i hope you are sitting down for this. Most of these toll roads are privatized! All that money ain't going back into revenue. It's going to shareholders of transurban. Edit... I just looked before posting this, transurban was started in Melbourne. However they ain't the problem, it's the government's who approved this s#@t in the first place!

[@jxmai7687]

@@willynebula6193 Every time see transurban, corruption Victorian government ring my bell, also don't forget the desalination plant havn't have a drop of water come out from it but cost us a arm and a leg.

[@Alrightythen935]

I was robbed by a highway patrol officer about a month ago. Context.. I am a LEARNER motorcycle rider, a month into riding. I was using my google maps on my phone in order to get my bike back from about an hour away from any roads I knew, and missing an L plate (both of which they can give you a warning for) $800, double demerits. 12 License points, license suspended for 3 months, perfect driving record car license loses 12 points of a 13 total. Had I accidentally ran into a cartel checkpoint in mexico. I'd have been robbed for significantly less money, and would have kept my license! I seriously hate this country and will gladly see it burn

[@ToxicMrSmith]

I'll get the Jerry can you get the matches?

[@Alrightythen935]

@@ToxicMrSmith I've offshored all my business already, financially no longer tethered to this shit hole. I'll be one of the first on the streets when what's currently burning the UK finally reaches here. Ausgov also going to get a shock when they realize young men are unlikely to die for the US when they are coming home afterwards to RENT from Chinese billionaires! Failed society.

[@darkstar-net]

We have no money left. Electricity bills up. Food up. Tolls up. Petrol and road registration up. Come to Sydney if you want your bank account emptied.

[@catey62]

Its the same across Australia, no matter where you live. we are being ground down bit by bit and they plan to keep us there.

[@hilliard665]

When I got my licence at 21 I drove around for over a year before I got any tolls in the mail, I got a $65 fee on every single one and was going on a toll road for work every day. I'm 32 and still have about $7000 owing. Every few months I fall off my payment schedule and licence gets suspended, then I don't get told that and lose my licence for driving while suspended lose my job stop making payments. These tolls have literally kept me poor my entire adult life. Queensland for reference.

[@hilliard665]

For reference I got a 65 fee on the fines that were like $70 for not paying the $2.50 etc tolls so like 130+ for every time I went thru

[@iengishu5]

You are literally one among thousands upon thousands of young Aussie family's Australia wide that are kept poor, intentionally in my view. Bureaucrats both high ranking and low are normal people until they get to their office, then they assume their roll as heartless bastards and push that button to give you that lethal zap (see Stanley Milgram Experiment) If one person ran for Parliament as an independent on this one issue he or she would quickly find themselves one of the most powerful pollies in the land.

[@timorcher5417]

Good on ya Johnny. I hope this gets flagged by the news and start getting this corporation held accountable. Moving from Perth to Brisbane it was an eye opener. Many of these roads should have been paid in full and then enough to cover maintenance. It's a downright joke. We only use them when we really have to.

[@miguelfigueiredo3910]

They said that once the roads were paid, they would remove the tolls. That was a while ago. Does it cost billions to maintain the toll roads when the roads are actually poo?! Rort

[@mrnicktoyou]

Melbourne's Citylink had tolls in order to pay for it's construction, but it has since already been paid for years ago, and it shouldn't be a toll road anymore but they keep charging still. I think the excuse was that it would cause too much traffic jams if it was free. Insane...

[@onceonlyihope3973]

The payment period was extended to pay for the northeast link - little value to the southeast

[@mynameisnobody211]

Melbourne people will believe anything it appears.

[@McBoj]

I used to work for a toll road operator that was acquired by Transurban. Scummy, unethical, very well paid executives... Having seen first hand how much they make in debt collection, let alone the tolls, it's an absolute joke they're allowed to charge what they do and without competition or harsh regulation...

[@stormblessed2673]

I do agree the actual toll fees are way too high. Clearly some multinational companies are taking the piss with the pricing. But as someone who only uses the tolls roads in Melbourne (citylink and east link) maybe like 2-5 times per year I don’t mind the toll model for funding infrastructure. The toll model is fairer because those who use it most (inner city folks with higher incomes) can afford to pay the tolls and reap the benefits. While those of us who hardly use it aren’t having our taxes increased further to fund a tunnel no where near our home or work.

[@RossReviewsau]

It’s one company transurban.. they have a monopoly

[@hannahrodwell6387]

You can also sign up online for a temporary pass, you pay only a few dollars for admin fees, but it acts in lieu of the actual E tags people can put in their cars. Next time you travel check out the online options before you start driving.

[@cappywa]

Everything in our country is out of control.

[@ACDZ123]

Yep. Vote 1 nation 🇦🇺

[@catey62]

You got that right. Vote for Pauline.

[@Mr83rt]

As a former business owner in Sydney, we were paying $136+ per truck per one way trip from say Penrith to the Northern Beaches and we had 3 trucks doing 3 return trips a day 5 days a week. With how cut throat the industry is, at times the toll costs would be enough to make or break a deal when it came to negotiating for a job. We were paying $7000+ a year in registration and while we got a fuel excise 30cents/litre really didn't cover anything with the price of diesel these days. I couldn't agree more with the scams of the administration fees, it's an absolute joke. Try go online to pay with their 3 days to pay and your photo takes 3 days to bloody well produce so you get git with the fees regardless.

[@markhayleybeadon]

The Australian constitution does not allow states to charge for tolls. But all of us morons still pay it. There is an easy way to get away with not paying, without going to court. ALWAYS STEAM OPEN LETTERS. WHEN YOU KNOW ITS A TOLL COMPANY FINE OR PRICE, PUT THE LETTER BACK ON THE ENVELOPE AND RETURN TO SENDER. DO IT EVERY TIME THEY SEND IT. THEY WILL SEND IT TO YOU 3 TIMES. DONT FALL FOR THE SCARE TACTICS. YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE ANOTHER LETTER FROM THEM. I don't care if you don't believe me. I have been successful 11 times. No repercussions, no court.

[@jesus_built_my_hotrod]

This is true ive done it also

[@allanmaccaul1465]

Spot on, it's a private entity that you've not signed a contract with..

[@t-dog8528]

Goes to sper then they suspend licence in qld, it's a racket

[@interceptor7905]

At least for a mafia you know they are criminals!But these corporate criminals are on completely different level!Same as superannuation funds,total theft!😢😢

[@BBGuitars]

the states aren't charging, the roads are "private..."

[@pants15]

When they say "Toll evasion is illegal" on those dumb signs - it's not. There is not a single law in Australia stating you must pay a toll. What is illegal is ignoring their letters of demand. What is completely legal is refuting and contesting their letters of demand and producing a demand of better and further particulars and including a section in that refutation that includes tacit acquiescence of their admittance of wrongdoing and illegal activities. After 30 days of them ignoring your contest, they've accepted your tacit acquiescence and have no claim to pursue you any longer if you wrote it out properly. If they send it to recoveries corp or Collection house, send them a contest letter too and include that it's illegal to bring in third parties without your consent if it's still under mediation.

[@XXYellowFlashXX1]

What exactly do we write on these letters to have it written out properly? I've got a few linkts that I haven't been paying so i'd like to know what to write

[@leonardomichael513]

Can anyone vouch for this? I heard close friends of mine say we can legally avoid paying tolls, but I did some research and people have had rough experiences with it. I'm sick of paying the tolls but I'm afraid if they keep sending fines to me.

[@pants15]

@@XXYellowFlashXX1 FFS.... I got an entire walk through written out, went to another window to check on a legal technicality I wanted to include and the whole lot just vanished.... FML. I'll rewrite it as best I can.

[@XXYellowFlashXX1]

@@pants15 yeah whenever you can post it in this comment I’ve been through forums and no one hardly ever says what to write or anything

[@pants15]

@@XXYellowFlashXX1 First off you need to figure out the reason you're not paying and whether you can argue this point poignantly to a judge in a reasonable manner. There's several ways to do this, whether it's that the Toll roads have the sole reasonable access routes to an area, if the routes are tolled in a way where they are unavoidable (like heavy haulage vehicles not being allowed to take other routes legally so forming a rackett and predatory service) or even if things like the tolls were established to pay for the roadways construction and now after a decade and record profits by the company, it's entirely reasonable to be asking why the road isn't paid off. There's also a common request for them to provide evidence of your agreement to contract with them with a copy of your wet ink signature (best go for a few points to be safe) This needs to be set out in an affidavit that denies their claim, establishes your refutation, establishes that they have no present claim nor any future claim. Include in your letter a notice of better and further particulars, for them to refute your points (as you are open to being proven wrong and as an honorable person, you'll pay unto Caesar). Also included after all this stuff (and this'll be a LONG MULTIPAGE LETTER) put your desire for remedy via Tacit Acquiescence - this is the most important part. Things in your remedy should include dismissal of debt without prejudice, admittance of wrongdoing, a commitment to not harass your honorable self in the future with future claims unless an agreement to contract is desired by both parties signed under wet ink. If you want to twist the knife a little, include your schedule of fees which includes $1000 per letter you recieve that is not requested or is harassing you. Invoice them each fortnight with a copy of each letter and the schedule of fees once your Affidavit goes tacit. Including a notice about tacit acquiescence here is important, as they can be told they don't have do anything, but if they choose to disagree simply reply to you via affidavit with the contents of the better and further particulars in full to re-enter mediation within 30 days. Send this miniature book of a document (have a copy, sign both by JP) to the most important person you can via registered post. This way you'll get notice of the hour it is put into their hot little hand. They'll likely open it up, think it's utter bullshit and not worth the time to read and bin it. Regardless those 30 days will start ticking down. Ignore everything that isn't an affidavit till the timer runs out. Once thirty days has elapsed, send them a pleasant reminder of Tacit Acquiescence and wait another 30 days. At this stage you've bent over backwards to inform them of their rights to you legally and they have agreed to all your terms without prejudice and they won't have any claim they can't make in front of the judge without you being able to point out that they already agreed to dismiss all of this and furthermore, you even sent them reminders because you believe in being upfront and honorable. If they include a collections company, send them something similar and include it's not legally accepted to include third parties like theirs while a demand is being contested and that may in turn be illegal, include a schedule of fees that includes fees for receiving texts too. Legal shitposting is fun These guys are fascinating to listen to, as they show how and how not to hold yourself in courts. www.bitchute.com/channel/7QAkFxidu5NW/

[@commander5640]

Unfortunately, it's all private companies here in Australia, so it never ends. Somehow, that's legal. I live in Melbourne and when I was a local truck driver, I was on City Link most of the day. Heavy vehicles cost more but thankfully I was only an employee and not an owner driver

[@stevenmitchell7830]

Drive across Sydney and back... more than $50 in tolls. We paid for the roads in taxes, which Labor governments wasted. Then they sold us down the river with selling toll road rights to foreign corporations.

[@andrewsmith8729]

TransUrban is a Melbourne Company. What you have said about paying for the roads with your taxes in not quite correct. Taxpayers would be far worse off it the Government had to borrow the money from overseas upfront to build that new U-beaut road. If that happened, the Government would also assume all of the construction risk. Therefore, the Government would be financially responsible for any cost overruns, delays, legal and industrial dispute losses etc. Instead, the Government uses a BOOT or similar contract to get Private Enterprise to fund and build the road in return for a Concession (the right to charge a toll when it is finished). What this means is that Private Enterprise assumes the risk instead of the Government. If the cost of building the road blows-out, it is up to Private Enterprise to raise the additional funds to complete the project. In some cases, if the cost has blown-out 2 or 3 times the original tender / ROM Estimate because there have been design changes and oversights etc., the Government may extend the Concession Period to let Private Enterprise operate the road longer to recover the extra money they spent. One of the key takeaways is the taxpayer is not being asked to pay off a 20 billion dollar loan upfront. This type of Infrastructure Contracting happens the same all over the world. The Euro Tunnel (Chunnel) between England and France was built using a Concession Contract.

[@ACDZ123]

Labor are sh.. so sick of albo and his woke mob .they really F d this country up

[@wt29]

@@FalconXE302 WA is basically the world's quarry so the government there is often in surplus. They also make an art form of milking the GST when iron ore prices are low. The per capita that WA gets exceeds all states except the NT (I know it's not a state).

[@kelstra1997]

@@andrewsmith8729 What you say is valid Andrew and makes a lot of sense but it's not the case with the absurd North East Link currently being constructed by a huge group of mindless vandals. This project is being funded by the government as no private company could raise the enormous funds required - somewhere in the vicinity of $50 billion by the time it's completed (if that ever happens). Daniel Andrews tried to raise the funds from China but the then federal government prevented that happening. As for tolls providing a return to an investor, the reality is that (using their data) projected daily revenue from tolls will be less than half of what the daily interest bill will be.

[@margaretcaine4219]

​@@FalconXE302The Teals are federal politicians and have no say or influence on states.

[@richyearle007]

I'm in Sydney and agree, these tolls are nothing short of extorsion. These fuckers will also send this bill to a debt collection agency if not paid and they will hound you until you die, until they collect the debt. That $10 admin fee will blow out to $100 each in fines and charges given enough time.

[@choppersghost5439]

Fun 'lawful' fact, for anyone who wants to stand their ground/push back : When the original 'party', being the toll collector, hands over/signs away/etc, the 'debt', YOUR 'contract' being with them alone, is now null and void. So, because you have no 'agreed' contract with any 'debt collector', now being a 'third' party, cannot prove that you owe 'them' anything, (no contract) (Of course,not qualified legal advice either.Due diligence recommended) 🤌🙏🙌

[@ronniegauci3843]

@@choppersghost5439 heard the same thing.

[@richyearle007]

@@choppersghost5439 This is straight from the N.S.W government site. Motorway operators may refer outstanding tolls and administration fees to a debt collection agency. You may face additional fees if this occurs. Legal action can also be taken as part of the civil debt recovery process. If legal action is taken against you by the motorway operator, you may be required to pay the legal costs of this process. I fought back for years and can say from experience, you can refuse to pay on principal,but you risk losing your licence. The debt owed only increases over time with added fees and it will end up in a shit fight to get sorted. Once you enter that motorway and they get a happy snap of your numberplate, it will be like a nasty wart on the end of your pecker that wont go away.

[@VandalIO]

My friend got a sheriff visit and they were trying to clamp her car because of toll fine

[@leonardomichael513]

@@choppersghost5439 Can anyone vouch for this? I heard close friends of mine say we can legally avoid paying tolls, but I did some research and people have had rough experiences with it. I'm sick of paying the tolls but I'm afraid if they keep sending fines to me.

[@word1901]

i got fucked over last time i went to sydney i didn't have a toll account as i haven't been in sydney in 5 years had to go down on short notice as my dad got sent from regional NSW hospital to the RPA i was in sydney for 8 weeks when i got home two toll notices and a letter of demand in the mailbox 2x $9.66 northconnex tunnel looking at the post dates it took them 4 weeks to send the first notice when it arrived there were 3 days to pay 2nd notice was sent the night of the payment date and the letter of demand 2.5 weeks later or the day after i returned so each $9.66 toll first had $10 each added for (admin fees) no linked account fees they call it fucking pathetic then another $10 for admin fees 2nd notice then the letter of demand another $10 for admin fees so $19.32 in tolls had $60 in admin fees coming to a total of $79.32 for 18kms traveled on toll roads out of the 1300kms there and back we are the most screwed motorists in the world also how can i pay paper tolls when i'm 650kms from the letter sitting in my fucking mailbox also i have an email address linked to my service nsw account but they don't use it because they want people to miss the paper toll notices because every letter is another $10 in ADMIN FEES

[@mynameisnobody211]

Just don’t pay it and you’ll be fine. There’s nothing they can do.

[@word1901]

@@mynameisnobody211 actually there is because my vehicle is registered in my business name with an ABN the letter of demand said i had 14 days to pay or my business ABN would get black marked through their payment enforcement partner creditor watch and i really didn't want to take a chance on that

[@briangoodall6552]

I remember in England a guy received admin fees from the bank and he sent a letter back with his own fees, it went to court and the judge said your charging admin fees for a letter so why can’t he send one back, the bank dropped all the fines

[@neriksen]

The roads are now paid for, we need to take them back in to public hands.

[@RossReviewsau]

True

[@MrHappy351]

Governments do this because they want the private sector to fund public infrastructure. The private sector then vetos improvements in public transport. That’s why in Perth we have the train running down the median of the freeway while Sydney doesn’t.

[@jean-marcandjoshua-petsjournal]

We paid off the roads. The Andrews Government signed a 20 year deal to “maintain” the road. They are not.

[@jallalb11]

Privatise everything, make more money for the greedy grubs. From Canberra I hate going through any tolls. It's extortion

[@echowhiskey1368]

Shouldn’t complain under a capitalist regime, and I hope you all know those who you voted for very well rather than like a stranger.

[@reaps912]

You’re pretending the government would remove the tolls if they nationalised them 🤔

[@echowhiskey1368]

@@reaps912 Politicians are assholes, I know, but at least there is a possibility that something can be changed by a new administration, you however cannot do fkall to those privatized companies until they change their mind to do charity for the society.

[@perhapsme988]

The toll road industry in Australia is led by a large number of ex-politicians from the conservative side of politics. Many of their staff were also working as staffers for the conservative party's ex-politicians. Some infrastructure authorities that recommend and set priorities for infrastructure in NSW have in some stages led by ex-politicians from the conservative side of politics. Once it was the same very senior people from the toll road industry during the rule of the conservative party. It's about ideology and profit making combined.

[@1969Risky]

The way state govts work is that they hit the motorist as it's easy for them to do so to generate revenue. Various state govts over the years do deals with private contractors that hit the motorist. When the party gets voted out of office, they get jobs with them or their relatives.

[@23DDP]

I live in Melbourne, and thats why i never use the toll roads sat nav always filters it out, once i accidentally took a later exit and the drama of paying it was painful

[@needaman66]

I live in the north of brisbane. Used to drive to Ipswich to do security work with the tolls costing $8 each way ( was several years ago) i decided to go the old way and avoid the tolls. Found out the toll roads only saved me 7 minutes each way. 🤦‍♂️

[@popeye807]

I live in Sydney and I absolutely refuse to pay any toll so I avoid tollways.

[@not1iota229]

Its despicable when they rip up an existing 3 or 4 lane road and build an entrance to a toll road to have 3 lanes going into a toll way and 1 lane off to the side to avoid it going though it, like they have a few of them within a short distance on Parramatta road

[@rossclout9831]

They should bring back the toll booths. This way, we would not be victims of corporate corruption!

[@greghudson9717]

How ? It is much more efficient to use a 'tag' and not have to even slow down IMO.

[@jeanmichaelc1]

I love that you made this video, I've been living in Sydney for the last 7 years, and I just can't comprehend how nobody complains, everyone just pays...

[@ToadsRCs]

Love the content mate, I racked up over $300 in tolls about 3 years ago. I refused to pay on the same bases that they are basically stealing from us. Still awaiting action against me for not paying... Absolute riot if you ask me.

[@RossReviewsau]

Glad you enjoyed the video.. sad topic but we all need to talk about it

[@Seiskid]

Governments gave them free reign to charge what they like.

[@MrHitchikerOz]

Why? Because they get a percentage in taxes and other fees from the toll operators... The more they charge, the greater the revenue.

[@jacka1472]

So glad WA doesn't have this bs

[@LS56789]

We gotta keep it that way!

[@horseshoe182]

its a scam without question, q; why can,t they put a weekly or daily cap on tolls. q;2 , why can't infrequent users be treated better. i,m from out of town and ive spent a lot of time on the phone with these toll people, just give me a booth to pay. what an absolute rort! on working people.

[@Bunstonious]

Tolls are legalised extortion. I live in Brisbane, I had an eToll tag that I lost because I got it 20 YEARS AGO, and they charge $15 to remove it from your account.

[@JimboJones-qn4wd]

Just live in a State that doesn't have toll roads. That will be the easiest way to avoid tolls and SHUT THESE COMPANIES DOWN!

[@xDMG15x]

Link t intentionally mails out the bill instead of emailing it and they time it so you receive it with only a few days to pay, despite the stated two week due date. Notice the envelope has no post office stamp to prove the mailing date. When they get your contact details from QLD transport, your email address is included but they don’t send any email until after the late fee has been applied to your bill. It would obviously be cheaper to email you a link to the payment platform but the extra revenue in late fees must exceed the cost of postage.

[@RossReviewsau]

That’s what happened to me! I got the bill literally a week later I got a finally notice 💀

[@kevinsmith5287]

Sorry that happened to you. That's a deeply sleazy way to do business.

[@dankybras8585]

Disgusting day and age we live in

[@Woodskin]

I took a job in Keysborough, Melbourne where I took the Eastlink for 12 tolls one way. 24 tolls a day X 5. 120 tolls a week. After 3 months, I worked out those tolls were costing me $10 an hour of my wage. So I quit, took a job close to home for $5 an hour less and rode my bicycle to work.

[@RossReviewsau]

It’s so ridiculous ain’t it!

[@tooeasybrah]

Paying ridiculous toll fees and still sit in bumper to bumper traffic. And even though they are a private company, they are backed by the government. They have the power to suspend your licence if you don't pay

[@spaghetti941]

You would of seen the traffic as you went through Melbourne. The amount if traffic every day its absolutely nuts. No wonder theres so many accidents, traffic can go from 100ks to a dead stop in a matter of a few seconds. Anyway i went to Melbourne not long ago, told maps to avoid tolls but somehow sent me through anyway. Came home same way to and got bill for 30 bucks. 30! Its such a scam. And yeah they will literally charge for fricken paper its pathetic

[@a9503128]

Australia’s grab their ankles and take it. And the money doesn’t even stay onshore and wait until you learn how much the companies pay in taxes.

[@RossReviewsau]

It’s sad but true.. so many comments I’ve had with speed cameras and tolls they just love to listen to their overlords and pay

[@brendanbloom6206]

Aussies are the biggest sooks going around but do nothing about that.

[@redgc899]

Same as the apple tax scam a few years ago (has the government fixed that loophole yet?) Everything apple that consumers bought in australia was sent to an overseas account in Ireland (lowest taxes in the world). When apple did their tax statements they declared a very low income and only paid 13 million or there abouts. Their actual revenue was $6 billion.. The government is screwing themselves over with the big companies doing the exact same trick to declare low revenue in Australia and paying chump change in taxes

[@partymanau]

True

[@Anonbruzz]

To everyone that uses tolls. Please check your statements as Transurban/ Linkt can often charge you double if you have a tag in the car also. This is because the systems aren’t always accurate and split the transaction into 2 trips hence you get charged for the tag then the plate and also video matching fee. Reason why to check is because they keep the money and only refund you if you tell them. FYI the video matching fee is for their off shore centre to do the checks on any vehicle without a tag in the car.

[@MiniLuv-1984]

Melbournite here - never used a toll road, avoid them like they don't exist.

[@ht8286]

Perth has no toll roads...and pretty easy to traverse the city

[@bjorn1583]

Adelaidian here - never used a toll road because we dont have them

[@ht8286]

@@bjorn1583 Adelaide will end up with a toll road when the tunnel gets built .. Hence why Perth is the best city

[@ACDZ123]

Perth roads are pretty well maintained as well

[@jxmai7687]

@@ACDZ123 Perth government is richer with some the tax were from mining.

[@chriscoghlan692]

When I lived in Nowra NSW in the early 2000s I didn't even have a toll tag. I received a fine for having an invalid toll tag. When I challenged it they had a different rego number which included a Q where mine was O. The car in question was black whereas mine was white. And the fact that I didn't even have a toll tag. It was cancelled. Six weeks later I received another fine for another incident from the same operator on a different freeway. This time the toll operater was digging their heels in and basically said I was lying. I asked them to zoom in on the photo and proved my case and the operator got really cut when I pointed to the colour disparity as well. This one got cancelled as well.

[@catey62]

South Aussie girl here, and like you, I'm so grateful we dont have toll roads here. we did once back in the 1800's, on the road going up into the Adelaide hills (the old toll booth still stands to this day, Lol ) however, it only lasted a few years, as people kicked up a stink that the money from there was not being spent on looking after the road it was meant to maintain. we havent had any toll roads since. there has been talk at times about introducing them, but its always been met with fierce opposition, and so they've not happened so far.

[@serenapudda]

the funny thing is, whenever I use Citylink, which is only now 6 times a year since covid, there is long stretches of toll roads with a significantly reduced speed limit from 100 to 80 to 60 and sometimes to 40kms per hour, with digital and traditional temporary signage and/or witches hats laid out and NEVER any crew working there! So shouldn’t those sections have those tolls waived if you can’t use the roads as intended? Now wouldn’t that be considered a breach of consumer law? Not getting a service as described?? Class action anyone?

[@catprog]

Did they reduce speed due to traffic slowing the road down?

[@redgc899]

If the government treated transurban like a company (not as a cash cow to fuel their stupid spending habits) they should have a condition on toll roads where if the speed limit is reduced by 20% or more (due to roadworks or traffic density), the tolling system will be switched off. That'll never happen as transurban will screw over the pollies and take away from their bonuses

[@catprog]

@@redgc899 Switching off the tolls would encourage motorists to use it increasing density. Switching it off during roadworks will jsut mean they won't do roadworks.

[@redgc899]

@catprog the government should have acceptable road standards if they were serious about road safety (not speed only). Disabling tolls in peak hour congestion or roadworks would incentivise the workers and transurban themselves to get it done properly and quicker than the usual roadworks. For example, to add a ringroad (and a BP) on old wallgrove road took them almost 2 years and i had to drive through at 40 every weekday, about 80% of the time there was nobody there doing anything.

[@catprog]

@@redgc899 Why would it incentivise the workers? Their pay is not dependent on the tolls being their or not. What probably happened when no one was their was the previous stage had been completed but the next stage's crew was on another job and that one had to be finished before it could progress. That is why emergency roadwords and so quick and expensive, they are paying people to sit around so the momement they can get started they do. And their is very simple soultion to keeping toll roads uncongested. Limit the number of cars coming onto it to the number getting off. Sure that causes congestion elsewhere and if their is congestion after the toll road their will be few cars able to enter but that is not the toll road company's problem.

[@AsttoScott]

I've been driving for over 35 years. Never once in my life have I paid a road toll to drive anywhere in Australia. Australia operates under contract law. If you never agreed to the contract then you never need to pay for it. Linkt is a private company. So anything they think I owe them is null and void simply because they entered into a contract with out my consent. The worst they can do is send letters of intimidation which is what they've been doing to you. The fees are there to scare you into complying with the purchase of the toll reader for 40 dollars. Mind you it's a toll reader that cost them 2 bucks to make.

[@mountainconstructions]

Do you do the same with Parking Fines, Speeding Fines and Taxes?

[@Agret]

Unfortunately the government are on their side and driving on the clearly signed toll road grants them implied consent and if you don't pay them when overdue they actually get Victoria police to chase you up on it

[@memesmith9700]

isn't having a driver's license and paying registration fees part of that contract you agree to. I've never read into it but I can imagine it would be linked

[@AsttoScott]

@@memesmith9700 Not linked, the only thing they can do is send you a bill. It's a scam that relies on peoples ignorance.

[@AsttoScott]

@@mountainconstructions Nuh.

[@hrsman72]

I refuse to pay tolls and they cannot legally force you to pay 1 No conditions of entry advertised 2 No price advertised 3 No acceptance of legal tender 4 None of the above, NO CONTRACT It is by definition extortion, It is theft. It is by consent if you agree to pay via a toll tag, so no tag no contract no agreement

[@monstasonix]

This isn’t a legally sound strategy. You’ll end up even more financially in the hole. I hope people don’t believe this.

[@RossReviewsau]

I fully agree with this!!!

[@kevinsmith5287]

That Sovereign Citizen stuff doesn't work.

[@hrsman72]

@@kevinsmith5287 Thanks for your reply, its not sovereign citizen stuff, its basic contract 101 1 there must be terms, you must be told you are entering a contract or agreement 2 there must be certainty of terms, a price or total cost 3 you must be able to pay using legal tender, if you observe there are no longer signs stating condition of entry or use, there is no cost displayed, if you take the M7 for example it used to display a sign stating conditions of entry and a price displayed for sections of the motorway or total figure for use from start to finish. There are no toll booths so you can pay with legal tender These signs were removed when it was paid for in full, people need to learn basic contract rights, We are being conned. On top of that our fuel excise was introduced to pay for roads, I remember as a 10yo it was introduced, 3 cents a litre for 3 years to pay for the pacific highway that now im 52yo is still not finished

[@hrsman72]

Its contract law

[@hi9580]

If there's no toll, all the roads will be congested, which defeats the purpose of toll roads. Building more roads will not solve the congestion, unless it's a 100 lane highway. Trains would be better but government/private companies would be losing money on every ride (not taking in account potential profits from toll roads). You have to pay extra if you don't want to be packed in like sardines in a bus or train at rush hour. Forced to stand for 1-2hrs after a tiring work day.

[@RossReviewsau]

To a point I can agree on some tolls. But Sydney’s situation is a complete catastrophe! Better public transport is a must and we can’t keep privatising these tolls and they have a monopoly transurban (no competition)

[@catprog]

Does the goverment make any money when you drive a car instead of the train?

[@edwardkozlowski3813]

I remember the 3 cent's a litre for 3 yrs that was to pay for the expressway. That scheme is still going decades later. And we still have to pay tolls. Disgusting.

[@RossReviewsau]

It’s like luxury car tax.. they just continue to charge and never give up the tax even tho it’s redundant now