AUTO UNION P52 (1934) - PORSCHE's Lost Supercar

Let's have a look at the story of Ferdinand Porsche's 1934 supercar that was never produced and forgotten for 60 years and how it influenced the later car world.
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[@sasanice7112]

They built it! It will be presented at Goodwood today.

[@widjojohuang7854]

But do u notice that the p52 that was built in 2024 had a different muffler than the design in 1930s?

[@DasE30Cuz]

It's incredibly admirable that Audi had this built. Thanks to this video, I immediately recognized it from its Goodwood appearance this weekend. I thought "Oh wow, they built it!!" What a sense of child-like joy I felt seeing this finally become a reality.

[@chicobicalho5621]

2:04 The 1966 Ferrari 365 P was actually the first three seater sports car, where the driver was in the center, and it inspired Gordon Murray to do the McLaren the same way.

[@BSport320]

Thanks for the info!

[@rocketman1058]

before that there was Alfa Romeo 6C 2300 "Aerodinamica Spider" in 1937

[@Takumitsuu]

Wow didn’t know that! Very interesting!

[@ropi4524]

Interesting Story. Would like to see a Video about pre war Tatras. Which were supercar fast back in these times. Plus Tatra builds the kopiervorlage 🙄😁 to the beetle.

[@MarleyDog11]

Love this account so much. Never fails to be very detailed whilst also covering niche topics

[@autounion1965]

Auto Union continues with its symbol even in 2024 that is remarkable, let's celebrate from its first official Auto Union historical site in South América

[@marcnobel3938]

Wow! I learned something new today. Never seen or heard about this car before. THX

[@elbarriodejohnnyherbert5241]

People will say that Deutsch et Bonnet (later Automobiles Matra) Djet was the first street-legal mid-engined car,but this is only the first production one,they were many prototypes of different cars before this one

[@elbarriodejohnnyherbert5241]

My bad again,Automobiles Matra was Automobiles René Bonnet (considered a continuation of DB),and technically is the first mid-engined production car which is also a rear-engined one

[@23727bgk]

Its totally new to me. Would be wonderful, if possible, for Porsche to actually build this car. That's assuming there are enough detailed drawings and the parts can be made....

[@Xenirie]

This is one of my all time favorite youtube videos. Awesome & Thanks!

[@BSport320]

Wow, thanks!

[@Santos.Sarmento]

Great video on a really rare and unknown car that in fact inspired all the sports cars as we know today, from GTs to formula racing projects. Congratulations for the idea and research. Greetings from Brazil.

[@BSport320]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@domenicomonteleone3055]

@@BSport320 i really like how you go into explaining how they did the design and the difference between the cars of the same year I have started following you from 🇨🇦 #YSW you have an Engineering degree and your education is is Top notch Qualification you have opened up my mind and eyes 👀 to difference expectations Thank you kindly 🙏 keep 🙏 making more videos respect back to you 🙏 from 🇨🇦

[@BSport320]

@@domenicomonteleone3055 wow thank you very much!

[@domenicomonteleone3055]

@@BSport320 you lnow what you are talking about make more videos and find more information on anything that has a motor i didn't realize how close each other company was to each other i love ❤ 💗 💕 💖 the automobiles from Germany 🇩🇪 and I have alot of respect for you how do you think I am learning about the favorite cars 🚗 from Germany 🇩🇪 and from Europe 🇪🇺 Through you have a wonderful Saturday evening bye 👋 from 🇨🇦 #YSW they need to make a car using a BMW MOTORCYCLE ENGINE not one engine But two for more power

[@iainmckenzie9323]

Love this video. ?, Porsche, why have you not produced a modern version of such an ahead of its time car?

[@NLBassist]

l just discovered your channel and I'm binge watching now. I love to see and hear about the new and old technology, cos it's all important nowadays and it's all used. One little thing: Porsche has an E at the end and you can hear it;)

[@fastinradfordable]

Uh. We’ve all seen top gear. It’s pronounced P-o-r-t-c-h

[@gafrers]

Wonderful interesting

[@Gois83]

When comparing the P52's competitors you forgot about the Duesenberg SSJ. It had a centrifugal-supercharged straight-8 engine with 6.876 cc and 400 hp, good enough theoretically for 257 km/h when installed on the LaGrande Roadster. It's the same engine Duesenberg installed on their record-breaking Mormon Meteor... Oh, and the Veyron is quad-turbocharged, not supercharged...

[@pyrotechnick420]

Agreed, I was a little bit surprised that Duesenberg wasn't even mentioned in this video

[@BSport320]

Agreed, the Duesenberg should have been in here as one of the competitors. And thanks for the hint, yes I accidently said supercharged when I wanted to say turbocharged.

[@glypnir]

German designers working in the USA.

[@johntechwriter]

@@BSport320 Details, details. Your overview of the era is a huge eye-opener about the intensity of the development of automotive technology in that era, and the tantalizing possibilities that might have been were it not for Germany’s descent into madness.

[@dotpeat1372]

Great upload, and yes the P52 looks great, but fortunate Porsche went modest... making it available for people like me....

[@gerardi2000]

I loved your just like I love Porsche.

[@blueabattoir]

Beautiful car.

[@danmoses7174]

Always admired Porsche

[@jfvazq110]

Very interesting video. I had never hear or read about that project. Of further interest is that one of the design blueprints featured, for the “limousine” version if I’m not mistaken, it says “Komenda”, which I guess refers to the influential in-house Porsche designer Erwin Komenda, reputedly the erstwhile designer of the 911…

[@LooseNut099]

Excellent history lesson. Thank you.

[@BSport320]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@thethirdman225]

Interesting video.

[@entityworks]

THIS CAR IS MADE REAL IN 2024 BY Crosthwaite & Gardner !!!!! Now it has 6.0 V16 and 500hp MANUAL

[@elbarriodejohnnyherbert5241]

5:35 Idea,you can talk about of Volkswagen Group special engines,special ones as VR and "W" (really WR,except for W18 with 3 banks) engines

[@TestarossaF110]

That was sooo sooo cool!!! Wow! Wish we could see what present day would like like had that been reality back in the day.

[@frostyab7579]

Amazing how much Porsche's design mimics Lans Ledwinka's Tatra - including the torsion bar suspension.

[@StoicaVladIoan]

That's because they met regularly and inspired from each other's work.

[@jkoysza1]

Superb content. Please continue to provide. Subscribed.

[@BSport320]

More to come!

[@wfomph1435]

thank you

[@edu4818]

brilliant !

[@antonrs361]

Great vidio never heard of this car before

[@BSport320]

Thanks, glad you liked it!

[@ronbros]

good information. whodda thought.

[@justanotherfella4585]

All came round at the end & tied it up in a bow quite nicely.

[@OrdinaryLatvian]

I never knew there was a road-going version of that Auto Union in the works! It's such a shame when wars or economic downturns kill projects like these.

[@Montgomery_N_Pottichen04]

Ikr I wish Alfa Romeo was able to produce at least 1 functional example of the Tipo 163 16c but war efforts halted further completion I’ve heard all that car needed was just the outer body work and it would’ve been done.

[@trance9158]

Excellent video. I had forgotten about this one.

[@Gus-lu7zw]

Out of this world....PORSCHE

[@dipling.pitzler7650]

Sehr gute Arbeit...Danke!

[@docersatz5228]

My plastic model of the Ford GT also had this same seat layout.

[@jarikinnunen1718]

VW beetle was four seater budget sport car at that time. 100 km/h was big deal at that time. Many same priced cars was like chicken coop on wheels. That why it was successful for many decades.

[@AthelstanEngland]

Great info. Never heard of this before... would be great if someone decided to build one.

[@288gto7]

At 0:44 you can see that roots blower is connected 90 degrees to the crankshaft. For some reason Germans always put their superchargers 90 degrees to the crankshaft in their liquid cooled supercharged engines between 1920s-1945. including all their centrifugal supercharged aircraft engines like db 601 603 605 etc. Anybody know the reason behind that?

[@BSport320]

It was a packaging issue. For Mercedes it was a add on solution, for the auto union the bank angle was too small (45deg) and for the aircraft engines the centrifugal superchargers had a too big diameter, so that would have increased the frontal area of the plane. And in this 90deg position the charged air could go straight into the intake manifold without any turns.

[@288gto7]

B Sport Thanks

[@davidward4329]

Great work, great research

[@briansilcox5720]

Great topic, well done!

[@aemrico]

Awesomely done, like it a lot actually 👍🏾

[@johndb4253]

Auto Union (Audi) was the manufacturer & not Porsche, pls give credit in your title - btw it was built and shown at Goodwood Festival appearance last week..Thanks for sharing the wonderful history of this one off design from 1930’s

[@ianedmonds9191]

That's wild. The f1 seating arrangement was inspired/stolen from a Porsche design from the 30s. I'm not surprised just a bit shocked. Porsche design has always been p1 in their thinking if not always their execution.

[@BSport320]

I wouldn't say stolen, it's just generally a good idea and the plans of this Porsche design were not discovered yet when Murray designed the F1.

[@ianedmonds9191]

@@BSport320 I love the idea of parallel evolution but it's a stretch given the facts. I saw a video with another Porsche car with a centre seat of three from the 50s. At the end of the day a great idea is a great idea and is fair game for use in further development. Murray made an amazing car. Perhaps the best ever but he should have credited his influences. As a Musician this is just how we do it. I'd expect the car industry to adopt this respectful practice. Luv and Peace.

[@BSport320]

@@ianedmonds9191 Call you tell me which Porsche from the 50s you mean?

[@AR_434]

Klasse Beitrag! Danke

[@ReallyFarFarAway]

This is clearly NOT a Porsche !!! - It's an " AUTO UNION " .. !!!

[@widjojohuang7854]

I think he know it :P

[@964cuplove]

There was also a custom one off Ferrari built for Anneli with the 3 seat arrangement…

[@AsinineComment]

Great to hear narration by a real human - instead of a bot. 😒

[@boerbull1443]

German engineering is a heck of a thing

[@frostyab7579]

specially when it's stolen

[@trance9158]

@@frostyab7579 you're really desperate aren't you.

[@ase2060]

You mean the three seater design was stolen from Porsche correct.

[@indopleaser]

you should team up with with another F1 KZbin channel like Chainbear or ect... to give technical insight in the way Craig scarbourough does. In hopes to grow your channel.

[@DrewLSsix]

Just started the video... but if that car isnt a 1930s fictional version of the Audi R8, I'll eat my hat!

[@wiedapp]

A kit car of that would be cool...

[@dod728]

Great video man! You just ear Ed yourself a sub :D

[@BSport320]

Glad you liked it, thank you very much!

[@deltas4764]

Really shows how clever car manufacturers were back then.

[@tomaskral4685]

Somebody did. Tatra. Before Porsche..

[@rocketman1058]

Correction: the first car to have the same architecture and to be manufactured was Alfa Romeo 6C 2300 "Aerodinamica Spider" (1937), then there was Ferrari 365 P Berlinetta Speciale, the true predecessor of McLaren F1

[@fcc1750]

Correction Sir, Mister Humpler already develop this concept in 1921

[@ExaltedMediaInc]

Legend. Audi build it eventually. But now.

[@rocketman1058]

with such a long wheelbase, this car would have been a nightmare to drive!

[@BSport320]

It gives you top speed stability which is what this car needed.

[@rocketman1058]

@@BSport320 well, that is wishful thinking, I'm surprised that you, an aerodynamicist, advocate for a tear-drop shape implying that's is good for the high speed. LOL. Tear -drop shape creates a lot of lift, like Audi TT first generation, or Porsches, it's a wrong concept from the beginning, I wouldn't want to be driving a car like that at higher speeds. I remember when Audi had fatalities with freshly issued TT and had to retrofit a spoiler ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@BSport320]

@@rocketman1058 That is true but we were talking about wheelbase and not aerodynamics.

[@stevenleek1254]

I want it

[@yaroslavbozhdynsky]

1966 Ferrari 365 P Berlinetta Speciale already had 3 seats with central driving position. F1 was not the first.

[@elbarriodejohnnyherbert5241]

Porsche before KDF-Wagen (VW Beetle's predecessor) existed,yes,and a mid-engined car before No.1 Concept (Typ 356/002) from 1948

[@elbarriodejohnnyherbert5241]

Sorry,I was wrong,No. 1 was Typ 356/1.Typ 356/2 was the Gmünd Coupé,a prototype,but now a preproduction model,deffinitive model was Typ 356 (original,Pre-A) launched in 1950

[@elbarriodejohnnyherbert5241]

I'm still remembering 1950 Porsche 356 1100 Coupé Ferdinand from NFS:Porsche Unleashed in PC Version,memories

[@frostyab7579]

and both those designs were stolen from Hans Ledwinka at Tatra

[@frederickcook87]

✊🏾👌🏾✊🏾

[@ingo_8628]

Seems somebody in Ingolstadt saw this video, or you are an insider from there.

[@elbarriodejohnnyherbert5241]

What means P52 in Auto Union?,Porsche Type 52?

[@gerritgovaerts8443]

With only 200 hp for 1750 kg , this Porsche would have been lucky to go from 0-100 km/h in about 9 sec , let alone 0-200 in 8.5 . As a rule of thumb you can use the power to weight ratio as a proxy to 0-100 time (it's mostly more) . Acceleration is all about power to weight mostly

[@RaySpainPlayer]

Interesting, thanks. Best described as Weight to Power ratio.

[@metrichotrods1763]

The Bugatti 57 is a Steampunk C5 Corvette 😅😅

[@fastinradfordable]

So crazy how a rabbit pickup with a Tdi is faster than the fastest cars on earth just a lifetime ago. And gets 10x mpg

[@AsinineComment]

What?

[@rocketman1058]

2:42 audi rosemeyer

[@fcc1750]

Hum ! Didn't Ferdinand forget to thank Mr. Rumpler for this concept he had already developed in 1921?

[@drbelli]

ferdinand porsche was so above all engineering notions at his time, he stated that herr F. Wankel rotary engine was centuries beyond the piston engines, he said "multiple pistons driving a heavy crankshaft is mass prone to vibrate and break under more and more stress, BUT if the OTTO cycle is the industry standard, i can make my designs less better*, to fit the ways of the world... im rather tired of battling against the stupid masses, so here goes...)

[@congerthomas1812]

One more what if.

[@ambergris5705]

Audi/Porsche should build it now! With the 520 hp engine obviously.

[@leonardosouza6290]

I see too much Bugatti Veyron inspiration base!

[@wilsonlaidlaw]

A really clever man like Dr. Porsche, might well have realised that the tyre technology of the time, was just not capable of making a product that would have been safe on such a car. Ettore Bugatti suffered from this problem on his heavier and more powerful cars, the Types 50B and 54, to the extent that owners were injured and killed by tyre failures. With swing axles and a higher C of G than the Auto Union Type B GP cars, the proposed car would have been a real handful and demand very high levels of ability of its owners/drivers. Look what happened on the less powerful Tatra T87, to the extent that German officers were eventually banned from using it, as it had killed a significant number of them.

[@poucxs9246]

what is the name of the car @ 5:00?

[@BSport320]

Bonnet Djet

[@Velocitist]

2:30

[@fetus2280]

I just had to go and like the video and Ruin the 420 ... My Bad .

[@johndelong5574]

If mid engine designed to be accesible, Me rikey vely much.

[@machtschnell7452]

That Bugatti engine is incorrect. Bugatti used a W16, not a V16.

[@BSport320]

I didn't say it was a V16. I only said the Veyron has 16 cylinders...

[@PhantomWoIf]

i like the form of that bonnet jet as seen at 5:02, nice classic round and in itself harmonic form. That with the tesla model s plaid eletric drive would be great.

[@gustavmeyrink_2.0]

2:50 I would have thought the closest competitor was the Duesenberg SJ from 1932: Supercharged 6.9L straight 8, 320hp, 220km/h top speed, 0-60mph in 8 seconds and 0-100mph in 17. Also did Ferdinand Porsche ever 'design' a road car that was not essentially a two-door Tatra? VW even paid off Tatra for stealing the Beetle design from Tatra's design engineer Hans Ledwinka.

[@BSport320]

That's true, the Duesenberg would have been a competitor, although it was similar heavy like Mercedes and Horch. The Beetle was based on Tatra, that's a fact today. But Porsche designed lots of vehicles before the Beetle came.

[@Schlipperschlopper]

watch Tatra there it is :-)

[@thethirdman225]

The 917 never did 400 km/h.

[@johntechwriter]

An amazing inside look at 1930s supercars that shows the Germans were even further advanced than was previously known. How unfortunate that political lunacy destroyed the potential of the greatest high-speed automobiles of the era.

[@christianhegemann1911]

Ferdinant Porsche was a genius. And Ferdinant Porsche was not the only genius in Germany. That development is same in US, Russia and Britain and also in China right now, all done by German Engineers. Operation paperclip, the US and Britain kidnaped our Engineers and Scientists after WW2 in West Germany and dismanteled our technologies and plants and brought it to US and Britain. Like Wernherr von Braun/NASA etc etc. The same the Russians did in East Germany, or DDR that time, with technology and plants and Engineers and Scientists. As well as all our German patents the US steal and said thats now their patents. In which history book this is written ??? Sure history is ever written by the winners, thats why, but thats all lies. The war ended Mai 1945, and beside all the evil things the US, Britain, French and Russians did with us. Only 15 years later in 1960 Germany was again the country with the highest income and output in Europe and the whole Western hemisphare. In what history books this is wriiten ??? I am Engineer too and my father and me created Coca Cola, Pepsi, Nestle water, all around the planet etc etc with our Hamburg machine factory O&H for beverage and bottling machinery. So there are still many Engineers and Businessman in Germany who blow away any other developed country when it comes to technological developments. By the way we still have 1500 - 1600 technology and world market leader. The US and Britain still occupy my country, they say its because our safety, bs, its cause to spy on our new technology developments. But this they dont tell........

[@alexanderschiller7720]

Nice video. But why do you consistently mispronounce Porsche as „Porsch“?

[@oldschool1993]

Tatra was way ahead of Porsche- they built a streamline car with a 6 litre V12 in the rear in 1931. It is well known that Porsche copied their designs.

[@tomaskral4685]

Porsche's lost supercar ....Ferdinad was trying to secretly copy Czech Tatra ...

[@johncalberg1573]

Allmost the same layout as the Tatra by Ludwinka from which he "stole" all his ideas.

[@newnobee]

None of any 917s has ever reached a Top-Speed of 400km/h, not even the 917/30 which was purpose-build to set high-speed-records on the Taladega-Oval at the end of the 917s career. Sorry mate, but you're wrong at this point.

[@BSport320]

The 917/30 had the high downforce package for Talladega. The low downforce long tail versions were designed for reaching 400 km/h but never drove that speed in official events but in testing. The rev counter had a white line where the drivers lifted the throttle, which they confirm in German interviews. They did this because of front lift and because the tires were only designed for up to 350km/h. Depending on the setup that white line equaled to 380 - 390km/h. So the 917 was able to drive that speed but drivers lifted in endurance races.

[@justhimo2728]

the werid thing here porsche doesn't made a normal cheap car 😂 I mean all their own cars is very expensive still in this day 🤷‍♂️💔 why they dosen't made a lot of normal cars like Toyota or Honda or Nissan all these companies made a cheap car to normal people

[@norberthofer5830]

Looks like a copy of a Tatra

[@denizivcic2255]

someone should build it