Automatic Watch Duel! Sinn 104 ST SA vs Squale 50 Atmos 1521 - Perth WAtch

Head to head comparison of these quality automatic pieces - the German Sinn 104 pilot's watch vs the Italian Squale 50 Atmos!
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SINN 104 St Sa | W Pilot Watch (feat. Sellita SW 220-1 movement) -
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[@jcombs5005]

I've owned both of these, the exact same Sinn and the matte blue Squale. Very different, the Sinn is highly polished and leans to the dressy side where the 1521 has more of a tool look. I sold the Sinn and kept the Squale even though it's less versatile. It's a great Summer watch.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for sharing that - agree with your descriptions, and fair enough that you chose to keep the Squale, it is indeed a great casual/summer watch! :)

[@jcombs5005]

Perth WAtch great review BTW. I failed to mention that, you hit on the most important features of each watch.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thank you very much - appreciate the positive feedback! :)

[@canadianwatchmonkey3992]

Both these are great, I had the SINN in the black dial and purchased the same Squale but in the high polished case. It has become a permanent part of my collection

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for the thoughts!

[@santrade10]

I'm I read somewhere that Squale used to make cases for Sinn (back in the day). I love bought and I'm currently trying to decide between the two. Thanks for video

[@PerthWAtch]

Not just Sinn but also bigger names like Blancpain I believe!

[@jamesbaum9775]

I love them both although the Squale I would get in the Ocean blue. The Sinn is more versatile as you say but the Squale is a great diver watch, which is what I would use it for.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for that - good thoughts and indeed I too would prefer the Squale in blue :)

[@jeffreybowden9835]

Excellent duel. Own both and yes the Sinn should take the slight edge, at least for me.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thank you for that - glad you enjoyed this :)

[@jeffreybowden9835]

I really like your video work. The content seems to often be right in my sweet spot and always look forward to more. Thanks again.

[@nightraker]

Great comparison review! Thanks to Mr. "G" too. Like Oris or Ball or TAG, Sinn and Squale suffer from not being R/O/B (Rolex/Omega/Breitling) Euro or Swiss (Swissy?, Swiss-ish) enough. They make nice enough designs and are less dear than R.O.B., but seem, to me, overpriced. Just my .02 worth! Must be the Scotsman in me. I do find the Sinn quite handsome.

[@PerthWAtch]

I think for quality the Sinn is pretty fair in comparison with Omega & Breitling. Sure it may not be 100% there but it's around 90% IMO for much less than 90% of price. TAG... well I think their quality is fair but they suffer from various other issues, including campy marketing, and designs which can be somewhat average...

[@vonOhzu]

I don't know what Sinn did to that Sellita SW 220-1 but my is getting -1/2 seconds per day, and is kicking the tar out of my Omega SMP.

[@getoffmylawn8986]

Yuchen Zhou Sinn definitely does it right. I've had an EZM3F for a while now, same result. It's regulated spot on.

[@PerthWAtch]

If not chronometer, the performance may still vary. My SKX007 is one of the most accurate on the wrist at +1spd but put it on winder or just leave on table in various positions and it goes further off. Not so with proper chronometer grade watches given the testing they go through.

[@JonJonFtheW]

I agree. My 104 averages at +2.5 s/day, and I'm very impressed that it is so close to chronometer performance. I think +5 might be an outlier.

[@8AP1]

Mine's crazy accurate, almost quartz accurate. I've averaged 0.2 SPD from 16 Nov to 21 Dec wearing it daily ( about +8 seconds over that entire time). However once power reserve starts dipping below 50% it tends to run about +5 SPD, but I barely ever let it run down that much.

[@PerthWAtch]

That'd be "superlative chronometer" accurate - Rolex eat your heart out! :)

[@DenisHauser]

Love my 1521! :)

[@PerthWAtch]

Well you're definitely not alone in that :)

[@samadrid6321]

I had a Sinn 556, great watch, accurate, and my brother admired it, so I gave it to him for his birthday couple years ago. As for Squale, no thanks. Hate to say, comparing these two watches is like comparing the Chevy Chevette with the Ford Pinto.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for sharing that experience. I think you would run of analogy brain space rather quickly like that however... what if I compare the Sinn to a $300 Seiko? What car would that be?

[@flow2tech]

ryvr madduck Bs!

[@LeoBond]

Exactly right, and the ugly ass Sinn is definitely the Pinto!

[@WuBloodKin09]

Wannabe Boomer Facts!!!

[@tobiasc5691]

You dont know what your talking about

[@dustytriumph]

Great review. I know the 1521 specs-wise is larger but it looks smaller in many shots here especially the opening shot with both cases laying on edge crown side up. I wonder if you remember which of these 2 looked smaller on wrist?

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for that... I think the Sinn does wear a bit larger overall thanks to that white dial (light colours look bigger), and also modest bezel width.

[@dustytriumph]

Hey...thanks. Do you know if that 1521 was from Page and Cooper? I ask because they have a special blast finish (Satinato) that is a finer blast finish than the Squale Opaco super matte.

[@PerthWAtch]

No I don't think it was from that seller... I will check and revert if I hear differently.

[@vladpiranha]

I'd argue that the design and quality should be neck and neck, but versatility would go more heavily in Sinn's favor. I didn't truly "get" Sinn's reputation until I looked at what the 556A is capable of. Squale versus Sinn boils down to specialization versus versatility.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for the comment - a pretty good summary of some of the aspects here!

[@thomaschristopherwhite9043]

Not a big Sinn fan but I must admit. The Sinn does look more together. Like you know it's quality from 10ft away.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for that - I certain would agree that the Sinn just somehow managed to ooze class :)

[@Deusmecumest]

Very nice. But on price alone you should have compared the Sinn against the 60 atmos Squalematic. That would be a way more fair contest. By the way I love the Sinn.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thank you very much for sharing your view. Now if you would kindly loan me your 60 Atmos Squale I would be happy to do the comparison ;)

[@eltonus2]

Well the Squale may have an ETA movement but Sinn is known to exclusively use "TOP" gerade movements in their watches. I am not sure if this can be said in case of Squale. I would have liked to see this considered since it explains the higher price just that bit better ;-)

[@PerthWAtch]

Not enough of a justification of the price difference in and of itself, but it would contribute. I would like to see evidence that Sinn uses TOP grade movements. Cheers ;)

[@eltonus2]

@@PerthWAtch There s no statement from Sinn in any catalog or on the Website. But they do confirm that if asked via customer support form. Yes of course this does just contribute to the whole picture... As does that the SW 220 is equivalent to the ETA 2836 (Day of the Week) and not just the 2824.... So should Squale use a 2824 elabore gerade(wich seems likely)... We would look a quite an upgrade with a top gerade 2836 equivalent Sellita SW 220 :)

[@eltonus2]

Furthermore Sinn orders basically "ALLIN " decoration from Sellita.(gneve stripes and all blued screws).. i dont think the Squale has any decoration on its movement

[@PerthWAtch]

It's all a bit of an unknown as far as I have seen... no actual information given by the official sources on movement details. What you say may all be correct but I can only go by what I can find on official sources.

[@eltonus2]

@@PerthWAtch yes i agree... It is to speculative to present it this way

[@AbyssalTentacle]

please compare sinn 104 to aquis !! i’m torn on both

[@PerthWAtch]

Interesting idea... will see if I can borrow the Sinn again...

[@AbyssalTentacle]

Perth WAtch great to hear ! they’re both within the same price , quality as i’m told , both loved in the community .

[@purplefabian]

geckdad I can highly recommend the Sinn

[@samuelball8775]

Nice comparison. Thanks Ivan. Its the Sinn for me too. They have some great quality watches in their line up.

[@PerthWAtch]

Hey thanks for that Sam! :)

[@marcocastagnetti7086]

I veiwed a square 1521 high polish in azure blue a beautiful looking watch at first, but for me unfortunately there was a few issues that broke the deal, a 500 meter watch with printed lume that doesn't last very long, a perculiler bezel action a standard ETA 2824 on a leather or rubber strap and for the asking price didn't seem good value to me.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for that feedback and thoughts Marco - yeah I certainly had my own reservations about the value proposition of the Squale with those issues too.

[@marcocastagnetti7086]

Hi there just one more point on the 1521, it really is a missed opportunity if they where to spend time refining the watch ie. the bezel, frame the indesies and fill with lume, use a chronometer grade ETA and yes it would cost more but the watch would stand on its own buy the favourable reviews.It just feels like a watch made in china to make as much profit as possible.

[@PerthWAtch]

Well said, those are very much the refinements they could put in to improve the watch to a higher level!

[@brucecameron7172]

Thanks Ivan and once again you've delivered another nicely balanced and fair review. I agree with your outcome and has helped me in some buying decisions I'll be making in the near future. Cheers mate

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks Bruce - very happy to hear that this has been helpful! :)

[@timemachineeddie1146]

Wow! What a difficult review. You sure nailed it. I love the Sualie 1521 in Blue with the Polished Stainless Steel,. Here in Florida if you were to wear the Shiney Squale in the Ocean you would be Barracuda Bait. They would come a running with those flashes of light. Sinn is amazing I love the U1 LTD in Blue. A Amazing Review and thanks for sharing.

[@22Phanatic]

Timemachine Eddie you are absolutely correct! I had a Cuda bump me whilst wearing a shiny Breitling Super Ocean! Haha

[@timemachineeddie1146]

Scary! They can take your arm off in a second. We got really Big ones in the Florida Keys.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks Eddie - glad you enjoyed the comparison! It can often be tricky to carry these out... treading the line away from subjectivity is not always easy, but I do my best. Mostly have managed to avoid calls for execution so far :)

[@Lord-Snowflake]

Would've like to have seen; Sinn vs Hanhart And maybe Squale vs Oris.

[@PerthWAtch]

What is Hanhart?

[@Lord-Snowflake]

@@PerthWAtch Hanhart is a German watch company,, they make a lot of chronos and flight style watches

[@PerthWAtch]

Sounds great!

[@jamesa.4454]

Sinn is on a leather strap and polished The Squale is on a rubber strap and not polished Wow man what a comparison.

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah it’s simply amazing!!

[@jamessmith6402]

Thanks Ivan great comparison 👍 I would cheerfully have any one of the two both fabulous watches 😀

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for that James - yeah they are both pretty desirable pieces aren't they? :)

[@chrisauge6802]

Thanks for the review. Great job!

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for that Chris! :)

[@excelerater]

Both are hard to locate in the states. Id love to find a Sinn somewhere

[@PerthWAtch]

Interesting to hear that... I think some other viewers have commented as such also.

[@jameslovie2260]

I agree. Cheers.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks :)

[@triples4good]

Very good review. I own both and love both,and I have to agree. The Sinn is just that much better. Don't get me wrong the Squale is amazing but overall the Sinn is a bit nicer in fit and finish, versatility, and generally gets more wrist time. Cheers.

[@PerthWAtch]

Hey thanks for that - these comparisons can be tricky to do, so it's good to hear agreement in general!

[@leonardocozza3140]

which one among these 2 watches could best fit (in any of them can) a 15 cm wrist? thanks!

[@PerthWAtch]

Well if any the Sinn slight smaller with a lug to lug of 47mm, although even so it may be too large by typical standards of sizing...

[@leonardocozza3140]

@@PerthWAtch so I better go for other watches. Thanks!

[@PerthWAtch]

Probably I think... best of course if you can actually try it on at a dealer or from someone who owns one.

[@TheSpritz0]

TOO close to judge in my opinion, in reality BOTH are very well built!!!

[@PerthWAtch]

It was indeed a very close duel this one!

[@TheSpritz0]

I LOVE the Squale because they are built so well but it could be a better color (blue), but the Sinn is gorgeous in styling/aesthetics...

[@atomik7223]

This comment has nothing to do with the video but... I have a wrist that is 50-52mm in height and I’ve been eyeing a Seiko Tuna which is 48mm in height ... Would it work on my wrist? (I have many watches that are 50mm in height and they fit well although they do have long lugs with a 42mm diameter)

[@PerthWAtch]

Hmmm I think that would be pushing it because it's a lugless 48mm design right? 50mm is about the tasteful limit for my wrist and I think mine might be slightly wider than yours too. But in the end nothing beats trying it on in person and seeing how it goes.

[@atomik7223]

Perth WAtch Exactly what I was thinking ... Then again if you didn’t know I’m a teen that’s growing drastically... I think I might get the Tuna next year ! But I’ll make sure to try it on

[@atomik7223]

Feels bad to say that because I’m just in love with the tuna design ... And I don’t think the “baby tuna” is as mesmerizing

[@atomik7223]

Perth WAtch I also love the marinemaster but that’s out of my budget😕

[@PerthWAtch]

Haha no, how would I know you're a teenager? In that case it may not be a bad call as you will grow into it for sure. You mentioned Marine Master - what do you mean by that? Many Tuna models are actually Marine Masters...

[@eusupporter8438]

The Squale has a better value than the Sinn? Nothing against the Squale. It's a great watch, no question but....try to sell your Squale and try to sell your Sinn. Look at the devaluation you get with the Squale and i bet you will change your opinion.

[@PerthWAtch]

Sure... just my view based on info I had in hand. Among other factors, key was $900 for ETA vs $1300 for Sellita base...

[@eusupporter8438]

I see.😊 By the way, to be honest I can only talk for the market here in Germany where Sinn has a great reputation. So your judgment may be absolutely correct. 👍

[@PerthWAtch]

Haha no worries... no doubt the resale value may well be different outside Germany.

[@eusupporter8438]

@DesTroisCents Ok...value is not all about money...I know what you mean. 👍

[@Tourtiere34]

I've personally never included "resale" in the definition of value proposition, although it is a good point. In a perspective where you evaluate how much watch you get for the money, I believe Perth Watch is correct to give a slight edge to the Squale. At the end of the day, I think we all agree that Sinn is worth the extra money, specifically the 104 model which is selling so well.

[@BuckNaked2k]

A day complication? No thanks, I know what day it is.

[@PerthWAtch]

I love day date :)

[@bushwood1676]

From a purely aesthetic point of view I’d go Sinn every time, they really catch my eye plus I’ve never liked the look of Squale watches

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for that - fair enough, the aesthetics of these pieces are quite distinct.

[@topwatchvideos9220]

Sinn 104 looks so much better. :)

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks - I like it better too :)

[@sylvainpaquette6132]

The squale need to be in azura blue then it win the comparison easily. I don't need anymore divers watch yet the squale in azura blue is on my list.

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah agreed, that blue one seems to bring something special!

[@TheSpritz0]

You're right, they are incredibly good looking in that blue!!

[@thisispw]

Sinn all the way, pure class.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for that! Haha "pure class"... a TGV aphorism if I'm not mistaken!

[@glennriley9691]

Urban gentry top class great review of squale

[@PerthWAtch]

Perth WAtch 100% original pure class ;)

[@AntonioMiccoliDj]

squale!💪💯🔥

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah baby

[@AntonioMiccoliDj]

@@PerthWAtch 🤦🥱

[@kacperwierzchos6411]

Great video! I'm surprised to see that you gave the same score for the movements even tough you state that "ETA is a little bit better on the regulation and reputation". Moreover, many watchmakers will tell you that with Sellita corners have been cut when compared to ETA... I'm not saying that Sellita is a bad movement, but I would say that the consensus is that ETA is a better movement.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks! It's a close one... on another day I would've given the ETA a higher mark. It's controversial... if you read around there are plenty of views that Sellita is just as good and ETA is inflated in price... but there are also views that express what you have.

[@kacperwierzchos6411]

@@PerthWAtch I agree that there is controversy! It's just that I have spoken to a few watchmakers that are tired of replacing ratchet wheels in early SW 200 movements. The ratchet wheel is one of the few differences between ETA and SW (the others being an extra jewel in the SW and I believe a slightly difference in one of the bridges). If I'm not mistaken the SW 200-1 fixed the ratchet wheel problem though. As for me, personally I have only had good experiences with the SW but still prefer the tried ETA in my watches :)

[@PerthWAtch]

So... given that this is the updated SW 200-1 (presumably with fixed ratchet wheel problem) and that you yourself have had good experiences... wouldn't you rate them the same then?

[@jamesdanielwright]

Squale is better by far

[@PerthWAtch]

Wrong - Sinn is better. Watch the video ;)

[@jamesdanielwright]

@PerthWAtch hahaha don't think so jud not better than the squales made before 2014 the real squale. Plus why did all the top brands go to squale for there watch cases making then 🤔 the older squales have the proper eta movement not the copy selita ones that's in them today.

[@jamesdanielwright]

@PerthWAtch the video is just his opinion don't prove nothing. All the top brands went to squale for there cases making so says a lot don't it 😜

[@PerthWAtch]

Very good. See? Wasn’t so hard to use your words right? 😜 And yes, they “went” (past tense) 😉

[@ivankerr3570]

Try sending a Squale back to them with a warranty problem or for service. They are ga..... sters who don’t want to know. Unlike Sinn who are a quality manufacturer and honourable and will look after you.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for sharing that... good for people to know!

[@khdunikon]

You clearly don't know your watches. Sinn can't be compared a that shitty watch. Should have compared it to a seiko or Steinhart.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thank you for sharing your opinion... perhaps you might express the reasons for this view so we can all also be enlightened? Cheers mate! :)

[@brettrun8575]

Seriously? This may be the most copied topic in the watch vlog world. TGV started this over two years ago. Come up with something original.

[@PerthWAtch]

Seriously indeed. PS. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"... although admittedly I did fix it up. PPS. Imma gonna stick with it, at least for now ;)

[@brettrun8575]

Perth WAtch So basically your channel is just remade videos that other channels have come up with originally?

[@PerthWAtch]

If you say so. Last I checked in my top 20 vids only one or two of them was a so called "copy" like this... the rest of it? Original recipe ;)

[@brettrun8575]

Perth WAtch not sure why you would blatantly copy someone else’s video all the way down to the rating categories? No shame in your game I guess. In pretty much any other industry you would find yourself in court for copyright infringement. Copying someone else’s material is lazy and says quite a lot about you IMO. Best of luck with your channel. I won’t be a subscriber.

[@PerthWAtch]

First: Like I said, I fixed it up - it's different (and better), and enough so that even if it was copyrighted (which btw it ain't) it wouldn't be infringing. Second: I told TGV I'm adapting his rating scale. Third: this is my hobby, ie. fun and down time. If I wanna be a bit "lazy", well... it's my fun and down time. Anyway thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. Rest assured all feedback is taken into account. Peace and blessings to you ;) PS. I save lives in my day job. You may wanna rethink how much you reckon a little triviality like this can really say about a person.

[@Mint-cb2vc]

Squale brand is nowhere near prestige of Sinn.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for sharing the view! :)

[@vailmcc]

You’re correct.. Squale has far more

[@speeeding]

The comparison format is a blatant Urban Gentry rip-off! All the way down to the "X-Factor". Come on.

[@PerthWAtch]

How very astute of you! ;) It so happens I wrote to TGV informing him that I'm adapting his format for my channel. Cheers mate!

[@speeeding]

If you got his approval, It might've been a good idea to preface that at the beginning of the show. Since there are no acknowledgments, it comes off as your own design.

[@PerthWAtch]

Precisely what I did mate, first 2-3 vids of this. You might notice this channel has been going since 2016, I ain't gonna keep saying it... and not as if 99% people don't already know it's an adaptation.

[@speeeding]

This brings up an age old debate of what is an homage and at what level. Seiko, Steinhart, or Invicta. It's harder to make up an original, most would agree.

[@PerthWAtch]

Totally agree that it would be harder to make a *good* original watch... what with the risk of investment into the manufacturing process and all. It is however very easy to come up with an original list of criteria/points/weightings, what have you. I just chose to go by the idea of "if it ain't broke don't fix it" in this case...