Automatically a Zero Score | Part 2

[@gymnasticsmasterclass]

Part 1 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJawp56oqtSeicU

[@gccstan31]

"If the vault is so poorly executed that the intended vault cannot be recognized" so dry yet humiliating lmao

[@JordanWilliams-ix2td]

That had me *DEAD AF!* 🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂💀⚰

[@MsJubjubbird]

well to miss the table after how many practices?

[@ashimochi]

"It's a shame to try calling this a vault"

[@realsmollbean]

That would be embarrassing to mess up like that, and go over the table, AND THEN SALUTE. I MEAN THAT IS JUST A HILARIOUS SITUATION.

[@madi9845]

Are y’all gymnasts? It’s very embarrassing even though I have never done it but it’s not that funny just saying.

[@toolbaggers]

A deliberate zero to avoid an injury when your team has already won is a PERFECT 10 in my book.

[@tigremalabarista3461]

In Rio however the Russian team was banking in USA stumbling in their weakest area. They however succeeded in all attempts, securing USA the gold.

[@tigremalabarista3461]

Pardon, I meant LONDON games.

[@TowGunner]

Incessant use of PED’s. Deliberate zeros. Sounds like the Russians.

[@carliecole2563]

Better yet. If your team was already going to get LAST, said & done lol

[@Jim-be8sj]

I'm pretty sure the only number that would enter the mind of a spectator or judge if I tried any of these vaults would be 911.

[@gymnasticsmasterclass]

Omggggg 💀💀💀

[@0freyaax]

💀😭

[@BobSmith-dk8nw]

Oh ... I wouldn't have to worry about that. The only way I'd have been in the room was in the audience and security would nab me before I could get on the floor and hurt myself. .

[@Adalwulf112]

0911

[@nomdeplume2213]

saaammmee lol

[@brendakeasbey422]

I'd seen the clip of Ksenia touching the beam and getting a zero score, and couldn't understand why she was smiling. Thank you for explaining WHY she 'scratched.'

[@robijuli236]

*bar

[@crazycrafts3414]

@@robijuli236 *beam

[@lukaseldenrust2637]

@@robijuli236 Maria scratched the uneven bars, Ksenia scratched the beam

[@shellyshakeup]

I hate the rule about touching the vault means u can’t retry. Seems to just incentivize doing dangerous, risky vaults

[@jeffw1267]

Yeah. Why can't they just take a point away and let them try again?

[@arianebolt1575]

They should have some sort of "cancel" signal

[@eb7446]

If it's something is not right, they are supposed to run around the vault or abort the run up - then they deducted a full point for trying again. Honestly though, I don't know why it really matters if they touch the springboard or horse and just abort the run - it's an aborted attempt both ways so let everyone try again if it happens.

[@hymnovortexlyricsedits5298]

its a competition guys. Gymnastics is tough, and this is a fair rule

[@totallynoticarus]

@@hymnovortexlyricsedits5298 How is it a fair rule though? Because I get deducting points for a second attempt but I don't see why touching the vault matters.

[@audrey1505]

I love how the thumbnail is a girl smirking while giving a zero score

[@realsmollbean]

Because it was a team strategic move and she was proud of it

[@realsmollbean]

@Browneez it wasn’t her that made the decision, the coaches did.

[@tata-i5l]

If I were the one "giving" out the score, I would be smiling too. :|

[@pavlokubov5536]

Is this Maria Paseka?

[@airzett4674]

Prefer being depressed? Obsly Not.

[@AndrusPr8]

Someday a gymnast will miscalculate, try to avoid the springboard not to be given a 0 and injure him/herself in the process. Only then they will analyze if the springboard/vault rule is worth.

[@nomdeplume2213]

naw someone will have to die to change anything in gymnastics, the vault pad was only changed after someone died. they dnt care about injury

[@alainatiner8213]

Not in the Olympics, but in the USAG D.P. Program, you are allowed to touch the vault table and springboard so you do not injure yourself trying to stop.

[@spannamatronic]

What struck me watching this is there is not really enough room at the side of the vault podium to abort a run without touching the springboard or vault. You can't just stop from a sprint. Domestic, smaller competitions are better in this respect as they tend to be held on a flat floor. As a coach I think it's vital as a safety measure to have the option to safely abort a vault.

[@alainatiner8213]

@@spannamatronic Yes that is very true.

[@MsJubjubbird]

@@spannamatronic I agree. There should be a bypass so you can stop safely. If you stop to quickly that's a knee injury

[@LuxeLuminaSoaps]

Touching and saluting is actually kind of a boss move. I support athletes not risking injuries if they don't need to.

[@semicarbazone1]

I agree, and think that a lot of the rules need to be changed to put athletes safety before legacy

[@ncika447]

Ive done the UB touch and salute in the brazilian national championship since i had no chance of actually getting on the podium (never was my best), the athletes that already presented that day had done better than i could with an injured wrist and i didn't want to risk injuring more and not being able to do the vault (that i did have a good chance and actually got silver). I was gonna do it but like 5 min before when i was preparing my coach decided it wasn't the best decision and i was so relieved. Preping for the ub that day was just one of the most nerve wracking moments of my life (more than in a lot more important competitions) and now that i look on it im pretty sure i was just having a panic attack. Thanks coach alice for being supportive

[@CountryCowboy008]

If I get a 0 on my first vault, why bother doing a second one? So Black was so right, aside from the fact that she's badly injured

[@kennydreadfuls861]

Ellie Black is such a conscientious athlete. She listens to her body and makes smart decisions when injured. And that is why she is still here and i am so glad she is.

[@achimsinn7782]

Doing the second attempt would give her the chance to show off her skills in the olympic finals and proof to everybody including herself that she can do better than scoring a 0. That said it is more important to listen to your body when you're injured and not force your luck with attempting a vault despite injury

[@CountryCowboy008]

@@achimsinn7782 unfortunately, Olympics is far more than "showing off". It's about seizing the chance to win. If you can't win anymore, why bother performing and exposing yourself to risks of career- (or even life) ending injuries?

[@sophie.7990]

@@CountryCowboy008 well people watching might think that if they don’t know. It doesn’t hurt her score so why not get redemption if she can?

[@luciarehermann7921]

@@sophie.7990 yeah, no, we all know all athletes in the Olympics are in the top of the top and are perfectly able to perform amazingly. She was smart to take care of herself.

[@AdeleiTeillana]

Literally adding insult to injury.

[@gretchen6711]

😂😂😂

[@Rncko]

I know it's a late reply but..... Yeah, kinda vexing to be treated as such but such is the strict realm of competition. Also, if it is outside of sports especially in hospitality industry the backlash can be 10x more than given a 0.

[@EquinnNox]

4:00 That is dumbest and smartest thing I've seen in gymnastics

[@no-fk3pm]

Ikr and her and her couch looked proud lol

[@hymnovortexlyricsedits5298]

Mhm ikr

[@lakella7721]

Omg that is the best one

[@lexis4490]

It’s another dumb gymnastic rule.

[@kaciebroadfield262]

they did it in Stick it!!

[@juliao8638]

I don’t get the “touch the vault and you don’t get a second try”. I’m a hurdler not a gymnast so I don’t know if there’s anything else behind it, but I’m just imagining someone super competitive or desperate to win avoiding touching the table so they can try again. What I mean by that is jumping off to the side at last second or something so they don’t touch it and injuring themselves. It’s kinda the same in high jump but less dangerous in my opinion

[@cdawgswizzle7229]

In artistic gymnastics there is something called a “run-through” when a gymnast runs up to the vault, hurdles, and leaps aside before touching anything. It is drilled into the mind of every gymnast since they are young, it is literally the first thing you learn. It’s to avoid circumstances like this. Also, the criteria for “attempting” a vault is so strict because otherwise it is too general. They touched the springboard but not the vault? Well, there are actually some vault routines that involve completely going over the table, and it could be argued that if a gymnast messed up that routine, she should get a second turn because she didn’t touch the table. She touched the apparatuses but didn’t jump? Okay, what do you mean she didn’t jump, do you mean she didn’t go all the way over the vault or that her feet never left the table? Couldn’t it be argued that if the gymnast only jumped a little it’s okay? And then how far can that line be pushed? See, this is why they have strict guidelines. Instances like these are unfortunate, but usually very preventable by practicing run-throughs.

[@juliao8638]

@@cdawgswizzle7229 this was a while ago so I don’t remember exactly what I was thinking, but I still don’t really get the no second try. Yes if you touch any part of the vault that attempt should be a zero but why aren’t they allowed the second ? Like high jump you touch the mat or bar on your first run, 0 but you still get to try again. Sorry if you already explained and I just didn’t get it

[@Beargeek616]

For a country who “doesn’t win silver, they lose gold” Russia sure likes its zero scores.

[@katie-5869]

It's a strategic play. They won first in those instances so why risk exhaustion and injury for the gymnasts

[@leahburcham8743]

@@katie-5869 they only did it on purpose twice. The rest if the times were on accident

[@katie-5869]

@@leahburcham8743 ....You're not very bright are you 😂😂😂

[@leahburcham8743]

@@katie-5869 yes actually i am. obviously on the individual vaults they wouldn’t purposely get a zero, and if they did they would have made it obvious that they scratched like the last two instances

[@katie-5869]

@@leahburcham8743 Like I said, not that bright. Use some common sense and think about the instances that we were actually referring to 🙄😒

[@roz4975]

Some of these rules seem to say to me that FIG isn't just worried about safety with their rules and skill evaluations. They have said theyve devalued some of Simone's skills because they don't want too many gymnasts attempting them and hurting themselves for the start value, but automatically give a zero if you touch the table? I feel like that must encourage athletes to go through with vaults they were off on from the start, and have greater injury risk.

[@donaldholderdoc2910]

Some find fault in not even attempting a routine. But with the risk each and every routine brings increased risk of injury. Like he said it is a strategic smart move IMO. As Nadia stated, "every gymnast has only so many routines in their life to perform before the risk is higher than that of gracefully saluting and not performing.

[@laurab5750]

Let me guess...the vaulting event and it's "code of rules" was invented by the Marquis de Sade. There was some serious sadism set into those rules.

[@fortifarse]

Act 3 of Stick It has joined the chat!

[@gymnasticsmasterclass]

Omggg, that's Part 3 material right there 😂😂😂

[@laurenwelch4445]

With this music it seems like this is the last known footage of these gymnasts.

[@SociallyDistantnow]

It makes me sad that a false start/a bad approach can completely ruin someone’s competition/LIFE’S WORK. I get that these are world class athletes, but still.

[@Ian.D.]

Should have included Nabievas's ICONIC scratch on beam at the 2019 University Games. 😍

[@rogerlouie1]

Why are the editing, music, and effects so high quality for this video? This is like a back handed compliment. I'm just impressed with the effort put into these videos.

[@Linda.392]

Russia made a really good decision

[@laurametheny1008]

Scratch and salute is fabulous! Loved that. Suppose it isn't meant as such, but to me it's like an in your face at the rules etc that seldom gets to be implemented.😉😍🤸🤘

[@dartanie]

You forgot the most important. 2008 Olympics vault final, Anna Polakova performed her vault before green signal. She got a zero. I felt so bad for her!

[@jamilakanchwala2242]

That was in part 1

[@dartanie]

@@jamilakanchwala2242 Ahhh... thanks for letting me know!

[@lydiaparker824]

I know because the judges saluted her and then they said they weren’t ready????? That’s not right

[@lolaandclaire2273]

I did this before on floor and i got do my routine again baha

[@lydiaparker824]

@Davy Lau if u look the judges did salute her so I think it’s very stupid that was a 0

[@Whisper-NeySushi]

Russia god tier strategy xD

[@robertridley9279]

4:52 I was wondering why there was a thumbnail of someone smiling after scoring zero.

[@brodypenn]

These thumbnails 😂

[@Pastyovercoat]

Never been a fan of three up three count. I miss the teams of 6. Although I understand it may be hard for many countries to field a full team. I just think especially in gymnastics not having the ability to drop a score is detrimental

[@coolgirl312]

I think it's also a way to force countries to put up gymnasts who are all rounder rather than ones who specialties in specific apparatuses only. But I agree, I miss seeing teams of 6/7 members.

[@Hana.Behl-Lecter]

I genuinely feel so bad for these people. What a shit way to be remembered with the whole world watching.

[@mrs.dr.spencerreid3992]

Thank you for including the gymnast’s country of origin‼️‼️

[@Meggers.g]

For my gymnastics team if your injured and you can’t do that event then you touch the beam, bar, vault table, or step onto the floor and then salute again. We are not really competitive

[@isabelpyhalto8306]

0:59 Its not "meyza linonen" its just Maija Leinonen

[@retrovi4128]

Instantly hooked on gymnastics after 45 years of not giving a shit. Subscribed.

[@Albatross4Sure]

Every one of these zeroes are far better than anything I could ever do. I salute every one of them.

[@Chestertherabbit15]

I think it’s ridiculous you get an automatic 0 for not landing on your feet first like all the work leading up to it isn’t counted

[@ashimochi]

I'm pretty positive it's about the basics of a vault. A vault is not a vault if you don't really land it, it's just a fancy fall Plus if it wasn't enforced more people would get injured falling in riskier ways

[@vanessaruiz4705]

i guess they want to prevent gymnasts from trying vaults they are not really ready for, discouraging them to land that badly; which of course can happen for many reasons but usually happens because they try a vault that is too hard for them.

[@majormana1]

that rule makes sense

[@coolgirl312]

I'm pretty sure they intentionally did that to prevent gymnasts from performing dangerous vaults or being forced to perform vaults they're not ready for. A lot of athletes are pushed to do these high risk vaults because it's an "easy" way to earn a high score because even if you don't stick the landing and get deducted for execution, they'll still end up with a fairly high score. Like the Produnova Vault, there's a controversy going around of gymnast continuously attempting it because of its high starting value but very few properly land it. I think there was discussion going around awhile back of Countries without a solid gymnastic program pushing gymnasts to attempt this vault in order to gain sponsorships for their programs and I think that's why the gymnast you see attempting this vault often come from the countries you don't hear much about gymnastics wise. But again, it's a high risk vault because most attempts result in the gymnast landing on their neck or back. And if they would just receive a deduction for simply doing the 2 front flips and landing (on any part of their body), I'm sure we'd see more gymnast trying to perform it. BUT, if landing on any part of the body aside from feet first would result in a zero, it would make coaches more hesitant to push their gymnast to do and ultimately prevent more injuries.

[@pennypike4664]

This saddens me because gymnast Train so hard 6 to 7 hours a day. Gymnastit's is my favorite sport of all time and I hate to see gymnast heartbroken

[@woj8926]

Gymnastics is brutal on your body and dangerous. Count in the pressure of the competition and I'm surprised we're not being deaths on every competition.

[@jakubjandourek2822]

Tool scratcher. The only career I can do in gymnastics. :-)

[@LipglossAndLove13]

i admire these amazing athletes! had a bad day today, but this helped because even the best have some fumbles sometimes

[@13shifter]

TBH great job with the photoshopping on the Thumbnail

[@donaldholderdoc2910]

This has always been harsh to me. I can understand a zero for when no attempt is made at all, but I thought an individual (not in team comp) should be given at least a 0.05 or 0.08 for the try. As long as they go over the vault in an recognized attempted move. They should be at least recognized for risking their lives and crashing.

[@cdawgswizzle7229]

in less competitive divisions anyone who attempts is awarded a 1.00 for trying. I competed in Xcel at least and thats how it worked. these are literally world-class gymnasts tho and giving them a 1.00 is useless.

[@halfway7690]

@@cdawgswizzle7229 plus it would be feel insulting to a world class athlete.

[@Elisheval]

I can only think the "0 score if springboard touched" is to avoid what used to happen in swimming and sprinting - false starts over and over again, was very disruptive to the athletes who don't false start, annoying to the fans in the stand and also messes up the television timing because it tends to run much longer that estimated.

[@ariesonyt1844]

I'm not a gymnast or anything but yt has just recommended me a lot of gymnast vids

[@juanpablo6686]

I love how pleased with herself Paseka looks after scratching the bars. Meanwhile, Afanasyeva is like "this is ridiculous but I will humour you."

[@katrinasweet5973]

Thank you for making these! ❤️

[@pault1964]

Imagine being in a competition that you might end up permanently disabled

[@aavahultkrantz9280]

Wait, Maja Leinonen? I have seen her in the gym some times omg😱💕

[@AveryWeinstein]

Maria Paseka gave me ‘Stick It’ vibes.🤣

[@josiahsunset]

paseka’s bar set was the best

[@alvintantoy6918]

can possibly outscored grishina?

[@lvxmd]

2:40 LMAO Iconic.

[@nueroendoctrinecarcinomaaf2272]

That's hard to " walk it off" omg, after all they go through, to have a 0.00 , I can't even imagine.

[@gusgus420]

That thumbnail is hilarious

[@principessadellefiabe]

Very interesting. Thank you! 👌🤗

[@tracylatak2970]

Those flails look painful

[@chuuu4610]

What I find funny is that Maria Paseka is actually a proficient bars athlete and had much better form there than on vault.

[@triplefull7057]

I know the rule about the second attempt where if you don't touch you can try again with a deduction of 1 point but I don't think it is implemented since this was not implemented in London with the girl performing prodovonva,I have never seen it in the US,In the NCAA I don't think it is even there I believe Catalina Pornor did that in 2011 worlds podium and still scored 14.8 and she was performing and double full

[@anmargothjerez7616]

What to say? Such is life. Entertaining vídeo. Fine!

[@ari73562]

Even without a landing I still couldn't do it. What would I get? -10.0?

[@marmota1425]

I don't get that stuff about scratching the apparatus in order to get a zero score on purpose. Can any one explain to me?

[@gymnasticsmasterclass]

In qualifications, every country is allowed to send 4 gymnasts to each event. But out of the 4, only the 3 best scores count (it’s a 4-up-3-count rule). So if the first 3 routines have good scores/are successful, you don’t need the 4th score. Sometimes gymnasts just scratch the apparatus, because the team doesn’t need the score so why possibly get injured? It’s strategic.

[@karmen181]

Man the vault is the devil 👿 lol

[@beakmug]

Why are the gymnasts who scratch events only touching the apparatus? Why wouldn't they do a fun lil routine, doing random dance poses or just playing around a bit?

[@queenielouweekly3160]

Exactly, at least do something to, y'now, entertain the crowd.

[@Terrakinetic]

Then what constitutes 1s and 2s?

[@reynaldoflores4522]

I remember when Romanian gymnast Nadia Comaneci was given a perfect score of 10.00 at the 1976 Montreal Olympics. But the antiquated scoring system at that time could only record it as a 00.00 !

[@paivitenhunen9751]

Her scores were recorded as 1.00, leading to all round confusion the first time it happened.

[@kellyxx3288]

just to clarify Keshia did it for the same reason as Maria?

[@xeniamartin5297]

Hey! That last girl has my name too! Though mine was changed to Xenia after I got adopted.

[@missmoxie9188]

Are there any automatic zeroes that aren’t vault or scratches with NO skills?

[@liceous]

Omg Ana Derek... brutal

[@Liv.the.gymnast]

Imagine training your whole life to go to the world championships and you score a 0

[@hh9150]

You sure pronounced the hell out of Maija Leinonen

[@areejomar5801]

Great video! Also oof to the gymnasts who got a zero.

[@e2theeyepie]

Did Berbecar get his 0 on Team Romania's very first rotation?? Because that would SUCK.

[@natmickan]

The name mispronunciations hurt, but a really interesting roundup

[@francisnguyen6349]

Nice uploading video. But what happened to Gymnastics didn't getting scores?

[@alisont.6940]

Ellie Black and Maria Paseka look so young. Good times.

[@robijuli236]

@4:50 ✨iconic ✨

[@ghost_blue9145]

As a gymnast i got nervous to my stomach while watching them bc i felt bad for the gymnasts.

[@gretchen6711]

Yeah, I’m a gymnast and I always feel so bad for them. I also hate watching fail videos and others of that sort cause I know I’m going to the gym soon.

[@cdawgswizzle7229]

@@gretchen6711 i hate fail videos bc its all i can think about when im actually at practice

[@pattmahiney]

4:30 I would've been pissed, and I feel like maybe she was, that I didn't get to perform and have fun lmao.

[@bonsoircheri7014]

maria was a vault specialist and bars wasnt really her thing, so i guess she was just fine with that

[@pattmahiney]

@@bonsoircheri7014 oh, that's good, then. Thanks (:

[@jasminejohnston6393]

Ooh Elizabeth Black…it sucks to see a Canadian athlete get injured like that…

[@zaynemarques1903]

Maria Paseka legend.

[@juliedeckers1068]

Do only vaults get a zero or something(i don't understand gymnastics so please explain)

[@LisaAl2108]

It's a little late but vault is basically just that one element that you perform! All the other events consist of multiple skills that add up to the difficulty. So even if you just mount the beam or do a cartwheel on floor, these elements will get scored

[@juliedeckers1068]

@@LisaAl2108 oh thxxxx

[@justjem6169]

0:59 you butchered the pronounciation - her name is said like Ma-ya Lay-no-nen ... lol

[@margaretneanover3385]

These girls work too hard to get a 0...there must be something here. I hope their lives are not adversely affected by one event in all the times they strive for their own excellence. I know if a very slight miss of attempt doesn't mean you're not capable..it means every attempt was to win this as a team of professionals.. As a young adult or past...great outfits

[@GMUACW]

Is this still the rule today? So they don't even get the difficulty points?

[@nomdeplume2213]

reminds me of Stick It lol

[@bruenor82]

Chusovitina - lets honour the Gymnast

[@welsh1981cm]

Hannah Wheelan scored a zero on her DTY in AA 2012 too

[@eb7446]

Yeah that was upsetting for her as she would automatically place last in the final and she really wanted to place higher, which is why she risked the DTY at all, when she normally did a much cleaner/safer 1.5Y.

[@Jellybeansatdusk]

Man I remember 2018 world’s because the first girl that got I zero I was like “oh my god that almost never happens” and everyone was surprised and then it happened again and it was so funny

[@thewatermelon3831]

i look at the title and imagine elgintensity commenting about crossfit kipping pull ups

[@stargirl6659]

I feel bad for these people

[@oscard9643]

I noticed that you mentioned the nation of ALL gymnasts, except 2 Canadian ones. Why is that?

[@ilaria.acquaroli]

4:39 like vanessa ferrari in 2021 tokyo Olympic

[@stohni]

Suomalaisii?

[@ritay2115]

What is with Russia and having 0s

[@davidemascherpa7]

Sorry but have you already posted this video? Or I just think so.

[@Fleurtjeeeeeee]

Very nice editing, but its kinda annoying that the intro to a person is longer than the actual vault lol

[@morganidleman755]

those two ending ones are WEIRD!

[@gillall4828]

The Olympic games do not accept errors, they need to know athletes are humans not robots.

[@wesaidsomething]

But why'd he pronounce Maija Leinonen's name like that hahaha

[@Mimi-fs3eu]

Gymnastic rules are so harsh and that what makes the sport that much harder