How Good Will Season 2 Dungeons Be?

[@styled322]

the first time i witnessed the darkness mechanic within darkflame in heroic mode back at the start of the expansion, i immediately thought that this was going to be a nightmare in m+. they need to fix it

[@ViriuZ7]

It's the least fun i have had in wow

[@charred6683]

What's nightmarish about it? Just follow the cart and kill shit while someone grabs candle. There's nothing to it, stop trying to look at it like a puzzle to solve, it's just a pack on track there's no cheating around it. We've seen WAY WORSE in M+ before, people are overreacting big time.

[@Thrasherbear]

*remove it

[@EternalJunim]

You and 99% of ppl.

[@kacey69]

@@charred6683it’s all fun and games until the trash hidden in the dark starts one shotting candle-fetchers and there’s nothing you can do about it

[@clynx9709]

Presenting the squirrel tech as something positive is definitely a priest take

[@AutomaticJak]

Course :)

[@SmugHomura]

Big tip for Darkflame cleft that you really NEED to know: you can just pick up and hold a candle for 20 seconds. You become a source of light. Once it's almost gone deliver it to the cart for max effect. A tank can just grab a candle and run around with no debuff. The cart is not the only way!

[@sodasodahero]

At the very very least, they'd need to add a clear border to the light in Darkflame Cleft, so you can actually reasonably gauge whether you're in or out of it.

[@Septemberl4d]

Then double the range of it. We all know this will become a healer job or lowest dps job for any key group with a brain or high ego. So either they need to not take much damage so healer can do it, or give wiggle room for people to be able to actually output damage. The mechanic would be bad enough if you didn't have to fill the light gauge up. But with that added on top of it, it makes it a terrible designed mechanic since the cart keeps moving even if you don't want it to, and the only way to stop it moving is to let the light run out.. It certainly will be a Melee DPS focused dungeon since most range can't move and dps.

[@Dodanos1]

Darkness mechanic will be total hell or totaly trivial after people optimize it in some way, one of the two, nothing in between

[@AutomaticJak]

100%

[@TheRw_WoW]

Yeah, Dabnel was chatting about this in his interview with Quazii to

[@MrJawsheewah]

would love if the consecrate on the ground in priory had an outer circle

[@FoliumSakura]

I would also love it if it wasn't casted every 5 seconds by so many mobs

[@kristoffer3000]

@@FoliumSakura Loved tanking it during leveling where you just couldn't stand still with the mobs at all unless you wanted to stand in the bad. Terrible design

[@Septemberl4d]

@@kristoffer3000 It really ruins tanks like pally and DK though. Since they need their circle (DnD and Conc) to tank since its one of their better DR's. So the movement due to how much they drop conc down really impacts both the melee DPS and those two tanks heavily. Meaning you will be looking for one of the other 3 tanks over those two tanks plus reducing how many melee dps you bring to this dungeon unless you hate your healer.

[@kristoffer3000]

@@Septemberl4d yeah, punishing tanks because they are badly designed lol

[@ultikfa8971]

Darkflame Cleft will be like Siege of Boralus or Necrotic Wake in the pug world. Tanks and Healers won't queue for it, because they have free choice and therefore will choose the more pleasant dungeons. Solo dps players who receive a Darkflame Cleft key will be screwed for the week, waiting for hours for tanks and healers to apply for their key.

[@punchinello6537]

I love sob and NW as a tank, maybe im weird i guess but those dungeons are pretty easy, i HATE CoT and Grim.

[@Robin...222]

Siege and necrotic very easy. CoT horrible

[@Robin...222]

​@@punchinello6537 exactly

[@RPGeek]

Siege is so piss ez lol

[@sharkstaint1373]

cleft can be fixed with one simple thing , increase the candle light radius by 100% , the small little area you need to be stack at is crazy to me , blizzard tend to forget that there is puging in the game , where coordination is very rare to non existent.

[@AutomaticJak]

100%

[@TheOaxOaxOax]

its still doesnt fix you will pull mobs that will prolly one shot you and yo ucant do nothing about it.

[@jamesjohnsoniii8068]

my Thoughts: Workshop: Didn't play SL S4 and did Workshop once or twice in BFA....dont even remember Brawlhala boss but the rest of it I mostly liked (except the bit with the catwalk after Dog) Motherlode: Did it once in BFA, dont recall anything about it, kinda excited to try it Floodgate: TBD Theatre: Possibly my fave Shadowlands dungeon so I am excited to do it again Priory: I like this dungeon a lot from my Normal/Heroic runs....except Consecration Cinderbrew: They need to nerf the AoE slow Rookery: Cool AF, though I think we will need to clear almost all the trash in the first boss room since the Beam attack seems kinda random on where it starts and how it rorates Darkflame: How high do I need to time the other keys for KSM/KSH to never step foot in here?

[@bjhiss27]

I've disliked all of the "darkness" dungeons, it's just one of those mechanics that isn't fun.

[@dr.zoidberg8666]

& the way Darkflame Cleft does it with the cart just feels so tedious. It's a neat idea conceptually, but the worst dungeon design we've had in a while imo.

[@ondrejmuller1089]

Regarding Meadery. I remember my fps were considerably lower in that place. Hope that will improve as well. Its insane how demanding that game is high end pcs

[@AutomaticJak]

Wow in general feels so poorly optimized :/

[@khat_diveprivate2518]

It’s not demanding - it is badly optimized. Look at high end PCs, they struggle the same as lower end PCs.

[@LeeMes1]

i cried a bit at 8:58 when you used shining force to knock the mob back into the pack.

[@AutomaticJak]

Me too :(

[@oKirin-]

What's that weak aura pack you're running during the Motherlode segment of the video?

[@khat_diveprivate2518]

Knowing now 7/8 dungeons, what would be your educated guess which healer is best considering ONLY mechs, cc m/dispells? Leave power out of it.

[@AlexanderForsman]

So excited to heal ToP again. Easily the best dungeon from Shadowlands

[@onkek]

Yeah a 5 boss dungeon with perma tyrannical is soooooo fun.

[@Byhythloh]

@@onkek Just get good.

[@AlexanderForsman]

@@onkek You sound sarcastic, but in Shadowlands there were literally nothing to heal. DPS was the only real factor when it came to the healer meta. Tyranical just ment longer of the fun parts of the dungeon and what already 1-shot people, just did so a little better and didn't matter to the healer. ToP had 5 very different bosses that you learn and very little of the "big pull random 1-shot" BS that healers hated.

[@VDHmain]

The best turd in a toilet isn't a diamond. ToP was terrible, like the majority of SL dungeons. 5 bosses is always aweful in M+.

[@Laptican]

@@VDHmain No, it's not always awful in Mythic+. People just made ToP unnecessary hard because they didn't know how to play the dungeon.

[@phaton89]

I think the hardest and best dungeon is going to be Priory, it's well designed overall and will have some great routing options, even if it's a bit rough on melee. Darkflame and Theatre of Pain on the other hand... Those are going to be rough. I have a very big concern that those are going to be dead keys if there isn't MAJOR tuning inbound for them. I think that this pool feels a little weak in terms of what they could have done, but I'm hoping they surprise us and put out some banger tuning.

[@Keyourasa]

My only real hope is them giving disc priest something more to do. I feel like 90% of our healing comes from just void blast and pet. Outside of externals i really feel like we have 3 buttons which is insane to me

[@deseanroot75]

They need to 1. Increase the brightness range at all levels for the candle and 2. Decrese how fast it drains passively. Also they need to make the player invisble when in the darkness so monsters cant hit them

[@madhudson1]

Forgot about the death/affix skips in motherload. I can see them removing the squirrel MC tech too

[@simoncasson1526]

That cart area is going to be absolute hell im dreading it already

[@FeralKobold]

I am also disappointed in the lack of rot so far. I have a theory that even though a lot of us who really love healing LOVED kajhin in halls, there were a LOT of people who complained about the fight and how hard it was. It was really one of the only extremely rare fights that is purely a healer check, and I think a lot of people failed that check, and I think a lot of non-healers complained about it as well for that reason. I just hope that it hasnt caused blizzard to shy away from those kinds of fights because it was one of if not my favorite fight in DF.

[@gaborvandor3662]

Hi Jak, do you know what type of Dispell will be requred? best? Like for example this season without curse dispell GB(and ST) was pain, but disease was almost not existent. Do you have any info on this? Maybe any heave bleed ? so evoker and pally can shine? Dunno where to find info on this so any insight is much appreciated. In pugs dps is not really using their dispel so want to be self sufficient as a heal.

[@AutomaticJak]

Great question! Rookery seems like the main one with some curse dot effects, don’t remember if dark flame has curses but I think it does. Some mediocre diseases in theater and I think that’s it tbh

[@livvw]

Honestly my biggest hope is they fix stops in m+, its part of why this season was so miserable and unfriendly to pugs. I'd also like to see some scaling changes. I'm expecting darkflame cleft to receive changes to work better in m+ and priory is probably going to be the best dungeon of the season unless they knock it out of the park with operation floodgate.

[@hameed]

Blizz keeps overestimating the player base. They 100% need to revert those stops. It’s miserable in most pugs

[@Tyler-g9m1t]

IMO they need to do a better job designing healer talents so that we can customize our builds for the challenges of each dungeon. Too much of one build to rule them all. And too much of a dungeon being free for one spec and a nightmare for another spec. Every spec should have more effective ways to talent into or out of rot, burst, ST, group, preventive (DR/shields), and DPS. And if they insist on these bolts one shotting people, they should make it more of a gameplay event like when a cleaver is thrown in NW. Make them not interruptible and make them clearly telegraphed so the target can defensive it or someone else can toss them an external. The whole interrupt / stun facet of the game needs an overhaul. In Wildstar, mobs had interrupt armor, meaning you might need 5 interrupts on one mob to stop its priority cast. And you could talent into having more interrupts (at the cost of throughput). So it was more of a distinct event, not some constant chaotic thing.

[@jmurphen]

What is the dispel profile for these dungeons?

[@Luxumbra69]

No shot the squirrel tech stays for ANOTHER season is there? Hope not.

[@norfy]

Those Cinderbrew bazooka goblins are going to be a nightmare

[@FeralKobold]

I really enjoyed the darkness mechanic in delves, I thought it was cool and theyre honestly my favorite flavor of delve. But whenever I do darkflame the only thing I can think about is how awful it's going to be in keys lol. I REALLY hope they take a hard look at it but I'm not holding my breath and I suspect itll be a problem the community will have to solve on our own.

[@Excaliber158]

The cart sequence is going to be ez. Just use candles. You can literally light it with candles you purchase in Ringing Deeps. You can also use Flare from a hunter

[@Raskel8274]

as MW healer, super excited for priory and meadery

[@AutomaticJak]

That sith lightning going to go wild in there

[@UhudOkcusu.]

I remember. Theater of Pain final boss was so sick

[@That_kind_of_orc]

I'm legitimately interested in those dungeons because tww season 1 is so hellishly hard compared to past m+ experience

[@Aggrofool]

OMG Slootbag and JFunk... that takes me back

[@cs.esmaeili]

is shaman good for next dungeons ?

[@beckmaxime700]

War tank will be good to tank this dungeon? Lots of magic damage no?

[@Craftee6]

Isn't magic damage literally one thing that prot warrior is shit against?

[@unholyXromance]

the mine cart in Darkflame is going to be a pug killer, for sure

[@sketch2831]

yess rookery. i want the lightning gryphon staff on my evoker again

[@SuperXaxa123]

I like healing that is tied to mechanics (juggling bombs/debuffs/manual soaks/life-links/tanking mechanics so it does reduce group damage etc.) and then healing becomes meaningful. Just saying "we need more rot damage bosses" is a bit unspecific. Other then that I don't wanna play priest next season. Diseases in ToP, mind control in workshop .... I'm scared that priest becomes mandatory again in high keys to run priest.

[@aidinis50]

Meta for darkflame cleft should be 2 priests and 2 and evoker warriors the warriors can heroic leap to grab the torches for the cart and priests can rescue them, once rescue is on cd evoker can use their thing to grab the warriors and bring them back

[@Naturalhigh8]

healers have only been able to do so much all season lol. good video as always!!!

[@AutomaticJak]

You bet!

[@jalengill9982]

I wonder if the darkflame cleft minecart escort was inspired by the "hunger in the dark" dungeon in vermintide. That dungeon sucked in vermintide too

[@Inverter222]

Each soccer ball on Motherlode will Explode for group wide damage and need a major healing cooldown. Cuz why not.

[@whitezor]

i really hope you are gonna be immune to dmg while holding a candle... but on a timer, so it cannot be abused

[@jampots8]

I assume people will have to play around just holding the candles rather then popping them straight into the cart in darkflame. IIRC you still can do full damage/healing whilst you're holding the lil' one No idea how it will actually pan out though

[@charred6683]

Why? Just follow the cart.

[@jampots8]

@@charred6683 So you can pull more mobs and actually do damage/healing whilst doing so, letting everything reach the cart slows you down. So if you're looking to do it faster then that should help

[@keleko55]

For Darkflame, the mine cart escort tip: Have one ranged take the far candle and your tank get the close one. The ranged can hold that candle for 13s and do full DPS at any range while he has a candle. Mobs don't have to be in the candle light. He can drop it off 1-2s before it expires then go grab another and repeat.

[@serge2cool]

I get the feeling they'll probably nerf the MC tech in Workshop. If it doesn't get much to make it speedier/more fun/less aids with fights like last boss or last trash gauntlet, it could very well be C-Tier only.

[@Keleva]

Priory consecrate better get a serious visual change, it's vague enough on its own without all the player paladin consecrates in the way

[@michellewheatley5180]

can't imagine disagreeing with a content creator more than i do jak's feelings on workshop the dog boss is fun? the brawlhalla is fun? absolutely can't imagine the third boss every single week its gonna be tyrannical

[@kenlonwells2219]

Honestly you don’t feel tyran or fort at all anymore. Now that every meaningful key has them they don’t “have” them anymore since blizzard is able to tune the bosses in a way that assumes everything is already tyran. I see it as

[@chancejones7320]

Priory is harder on hero than some m+ dungeons rn just bc of how much dmg the consecration does. I can imagine it’s gonna one shot people on m+ lol.

[@kenlonwells2219]

I’ve said this in a few comment sections. But don’t concern or worry about the candle section of dark flame unless it’s not changed by like 3 days out from m+ S2 release. Say what you will about blizzard, but they are people with access to the internet. They know the sentiment. They also knew the sentiment around BH and they gave it the m+ rework treatment and it was largely a very good dungeon. DFC has a chance to be really good, don’t doom so much and stress yourselves out. Maybe I’m wrong but I’m not making myself miserable thinking about it

[@AutomaticJak]

Yeah of course it’s not worth being miserable abt. This is just to add to the overall sentiment to make sure that they hear it loud n clear

[@artug92]

I agree but the problem with BH was that the change was too late... if they knew the player's sentiments and the state that dungeon was in before release... why did they release it in that condition is the problem.

[@PapaSnurp]

Just do a blackout when we enter the area and have us dumped out of the cart. They cannot allow the dungeon to function as is in Season 2

[@Impuracle]

Think I'll wait a few weeks for Blizzard to hotfix this nightmarish dungeon pool..

[@Chelbells]

Im just convinced they dont want healers to keep playing for a second season

[@popojaga7312]

I dont know man, cinderbrew being overhyped as big pull dungeon, it is on hc/m0 kinda... but in m+ there is alot of debuff and shit going on that will probably limit it, far from AA

[@popojaga7312]

To counter myself, it probably will be big pulls compared to modern dungeons lately, designed by blizz in a way, where you can clearly feel how big they want you to pull and play

[@MrVaeron]

@@popojaga7312 The problem is, that this dungeon has LOTS of stuff that hits hard and needs either hard stops or is not even stopable at all. So i doubt that Pugs will be doing big pulls. I already wipe on Heroic (having 631...), if people decide to pull the first room or whole wings. Cause no matter the gear, you cant do shit if you are stunned or slowed and stand in shit yourself. I did a lot of Heroics at Launch, Priory and Meadery felt the worst of all of them in terms of tuning for Trash and Bosses, besides of that Darkness boss.

[@iaxdy9822]

Sceptical, but I'll wait and see. If it turns out good, I'll play. If it turns out bad, I'll stay on poe2.

[@sanagos9350]

Just 2.5k score then only ToP for Weekly 🎉

[@MrKamex]

Meadery is so many goddamn small enemies that will eat my shadow crash ;_;

[@davidgreenberg8456]

Darkflame Cleft: the darkness mechanic is miserable. I just don't find these types of cheesy mechanics to be fun at all. It could be a decent dungeon if they get rid of or severely nerf the darkness mechanic. Cinderbrew Meadery: too many massive slows and I think the boss with adds that give him a shield will be awful in pugs. Routing seems like it will be chill. Rookery: should be great. Priory: should be great other than too many casters. Hard to predict because we only ran it on heroic which was not threatening. Theater of Pain: horrible dungeon other than the theme Mechagon Workshop: never did that part of the megadungeon but it seems like it could be fun. Motherlode: good dungeon overall, some minor changes to some bosses and trash would help a lot Floodgate: TBD I did not find TWW S1 to be very fun, so I am on the fence as to whether I will resub for S2. I can see Darkflame, Cinderbrew, and Theater all being hard avoid dungeons, which for me would be a hard pass for the season.

[@sketch2831]

i dont like the change they made in necrotic wake. no longer letting you chain of ice on the 2 fixate mobs that throw hooks at each other and chase the dps around in the top room. no idea why they want to stop people from using their abilities.

[@Gemaco1397]

Honestly, the main thing I'm looking forward to is my first mythic vault to give me bursting lightshard...

[@Gemaco1397]

Don't get me wrong, it's a very fun trinket, really enjoyed it when leveling my healers, so part of me actually wants it for lower content

[@AutomaticJak]

Yeaaaa I feel that!

[@jarlhenrik]

Why are they giving us Theater of Pain for s2 when we already had a Maldraxxus themed dungeon this season in Necrotic Wake? -.- Couldn’t they have given us the Revendreth dungeons instead? I know Sanguine Depths wasn’t the greatest dungeon, but Halls of Atonement is fine :)

[@Bolinipop]

Its gonna be so much fun killing every single mob in Motherlode after blizzard changes the mobcount % in there /s

[@athadria_gaming]

Seeing all these casters in Priory who will not run in the pack or get chainpulled and standing around spread out, this looks like my hate key as Shadow Priest

[@BlastHeart96]

I just know I’m going to viciously despise Darkflame Cleft after a while. I already really disliked it in heroic. It’s probably the strongest I’ve disliked a dungeon in a while.

[@kingtut8367]

I wish they would swap workshop with gambit.

[@Septemberl4d]

Yeah even with 4 okay dungeons this season is already looking cooked if you ask me. This season already had 2 dungeons which were a pain in the butt, certainly as a healer with Ara Kara and City of Threads. These upcoming ones seem incredibly annoying and overly mechanic based in the trash yet again which is also another red X mark for these dungeons. Anything added to a dungeons complexity adds more reasons people can give to brick a key by leaving and that just again sounds ultra painful. This might be the first season since season 3 SL i just don't heal or do any dungeons for an entire season. I might just raid log next season with the horrible dungeons and horrible new looting system for dungeons.

[@ammertos1517]

why are you hoping for damage?

[@khmarabroona]

so he can heal it :)

[@marcussully1854]

My takeaway from video. I miss awakened

[@TheOaxOaxOax]

Not only cart part, but last boss gonna be annoyin af, dmg reduc, one fear is aoe 10% dmg reduc stackin, on high keys its gonna be rly bad,

[@Darkrampager]

No shot they'll leave in the squirrel tech

[@AutomaticJak]

They left it in once!

[@Darkrampager]

@AutomaticJak true! We can hope 🙏😏

[@keleko55]

@@Darkrampager So the top end keys only take priests for that dungeon, yes that sounds like a great mechanic for every not priest healer.

[@Pr0vidence555]

@@keleko55 Its either the metahealer or the priest, maybe with the tech in you have 1 more healer that gets taken.

[@nmark93]

Most terrifying is healing +10 with holy priest..

[@Julmaa87]

Depends on your gear.

[@krisofamerica]

Is had a lot more fun in delves.

[@Luxumbra69]

If we follow TWW trends, we will actually need all of the skipped count from bfa in Motherlode. Not looking forward to pulling all the Mastermind's.

[@MrVaeron]

Meadery will most likely be a shit show for the first weeks. They never got the damage right in the last iterations of M+ on such kinda stuff and combined with the heavy aoe slows and unstopable stuns, this thing will just brick keys left and right if you dare to pull too much. That said, Tuning in Priory for the Consecrate did not feel that well, especially with how big those puddles were. As a MW it just feels horrible to have that stuff for like a whole section. ToP was kinda fun, but the Boss you mentioned was just horrible to do, cause of the problems mentioned.

[@AutomaticJak]

Great points

[@hadriench3402]

I will skip this season after getting the mount. Because I hate most of the dungeons (Workshop and Darkflame in first line). I really laugh for the poor evoker in Mechagon Workshop, when all poeple will be dispersed on first, third and last boss, with many LOS. Will be really fun for them.

[@Catxukluth]

Workshop is a really cool dungeon but dear god please cut the first phase of the last boss. The fight got to the 6-7 minute mark at high keys last time it was in m+. Tyran has been nerfed since then but still, a 4-5 minute fight on a weekly key is criminal.

[@marcpaulus6291]

Starts with: Darkflame has really cool Boss fights. No Buddy, the Darkflame fight is possible the worst dungeon Boss i have ever encoutered together with the way to the boss.

[@Pr0vidence555]

But thats all subjective. He has a different opinion to you. Much like some people cant seem to finish 2 sentences without calling someone "buddy" or "kiddo" while everyone else dies of cringe everytime they hear that.

[@Nokin92]

I'm not looking forward to ToP... such a gross instance... Everything about that dungeon gives me nightmares lol, I wish they'd do HoA instead because that first pull is so much fun

[@AutomaticJak]

True and I like the mini bosses and healing thru that damage

[@RpGirlRizo]

The S2 dungeon set really makes me think I will be raiding only. DFC, Mechagon workshop, Motherlode and Theater of Pain. No thanks. I don't want to have to deal with those shit shows again.

[@hugob8193]

I started playing in shadowlands, and Workshop is one of if not the worst dungeon I've ever played in m+, I really don't get the hype. Except 3rd boss area, everything is annoying as hell, trash packs are smalls and not fun, bosses arent fun. But I agree on the rest, especially Priory has the potential to be one of the best m+ dungeon of all time if balanced correctly

[@jean-sebastienbisson7915]

As far as I'm concerned, season 2's dungeon pool looks disgusting.

[@Morotak123]

Hearing dude talk about how he wants the dungeons to be harder to heal makes me mad ngl Healing right now blows balls dudes over here asking to make it worse

[@malonysaintpierre1599]

i can just imagine the lich boss on ToT

[@AutomaticJak]

I want boss fights that require healing, not afk healer fights like that Xav fight in theater. And I want enough hp on my teammates, or low enough damage, that I can heal thru certain mistakes on trash

[@artug92]

getgud.. sounds like a you problem

[@Morotak123]

@artug92 hell yeah, the get good statement. Think of the millions of people that have quit the game over the years due to your absolute disregard for anyone else. Expecting everyone else to play at mdi level. Get good... the statement that sums up the wow community perfectly.

[@artug92]

@Morotak123 you're the perfect example of that statement, and I don't use it for just anyone.

[@amhowaye1605]

We need to sign a petition to let the dev team play their own game- play these dungeons in M+. Have them get a little taste of whats going on. Just by us saying and complaining is not enough, they need to suffer and live through their own creation before they publish content to us.

[@amhowaye1605]

Bro these couple reaming TWW dungeons have GAZILLION casters/ shit ton of dodges, ground effect,frontal, aoes, they are made to replicate living hell, not player's enjoyment. The dev's philosophy need to change, big time.

[@MrMonkles]

Maining Pres was the right choice for season 2.

[@Divineloll11]

Totally not wow related man , but what’s your diet ? I’m tryna lose weight haha

[@AutomaticJak]

Lots of water, creatine, chicken, red potatoes or jasmine rice, asparagus/spinach. 1-2hrs of working out, 6 days a week. Took a lot of time to get there but I dropped ~50lbs in about a year and a half just chippin away at it over time

[@Divineloll11]

@ impressive ! Thank you man

[@AutomaticJak]

Yessir. Big thing that helped me is remembering that discipline is a muscle like any other. Its tough forcing yourself to go gym almost every day at first, but it gets easier over time

[@alir3za349]

dose any one know when season 2 tww will release ?

[@drpeppaerdrpeppaer5434]

You healers are bad enough, the last thing you need is more of a challenge

[@loki8481]

"I would liken it to Stonevault, one of the worst dungeons in M+ history" 😅

[@glargenfeld6187]

Motherlode and Workshop were god awful before and will be god awful now. I thankfully skipped SL but apparently I'm not allowed to actually skip it. Blizzard insist on forcing at least one SL dungeon down my throat every season. I hated Mists and Necrotic Wake and I'll no doubt hate Theatre of Pain. To make it worse, the darkness dungeon will also exist. K. Better luck next season I guess :D

[@letolollers3729]

Whoever thought this garbage Dungeon was a good idea should be banned from having any decision power in any Dungeon/raid design for all eternity

[@Chris_dolmeth]

Short answer is no, season 2 is gonna burn out so fast.

[@martin9202]

I'm not sure... Maybe I'm different, but I really don't like the dungeons where you jt pull everything and aoe it down... That's absolutly boring... just spamming aoe... When they introduced some different mechanics to the dungeos everybody is like "ahh it's gonna be nightmare in M+" but for me "Finally something different... please more"... I hate that every mob/boss has several mechanics which half of them don't even metter because you cannot do anything about it... Just make one, but which maters and is different in some way...

[@sl3498]

DFC - perfect way to fix that dungeon is to disable all mobs in that area so we just need to run and get candles., that would keep a good balance. Motherload - they need to ask why people are death skipping. dont change the start of the dungeon. If people want to skip, keep giving them that option, but ease the 2nd half so that there is no requirement to skip. TOP - Dungeon is too long. how about clear 2 of the 3 wings and the last boss is available. So you have an option of which way you want to go. but tune them so they 'feel' even to people.

[@stoyansarov2647]

Dungeons are not the problem, it's the playerbase.

[@S3Ri0usOG]

Season 2 is gonna be way more annoying 100%

[@ictinuswow]

More unavoidable damage, especially rot, would be very welcome.

[@keleko55]

You need jesus lil sadist.

[@cavalcante011]

season 2 has everything to be horrible, even bringing disgusting dungeons and all the 4 left from TWW, it will suck AF

[@williammacdonald5890]

If its as bad as this season im quitting the game. Went from 3250 and now cant even pug to 2900

[@AutomaticJak]

Try not to judge your performance too much on score. The number itself fluctuates a bunch season by season. You could be 3k and in the top 1% one season and then another season 1% is 2.8k

[@sleepy5202]

I agree with jak since DF incl tyran and fort scores which make scores higher while rn any week is the same

[@stanjd]

Sick of workshop. It has been in our dungeon rotation in 3 of the last 4 xpacs. personally for the money we pay they need to make more new dungeons and stop recycling. They've cheapened the game this way.

[@stanjd]

Fix broken balance and game play: ❌ Add $90 auction house mount: ✅

[@AutomaticJak]

If they're gonna recycle it should at least be "new" recycled dungeons. Cathedral of Eternal Night, Arcway, stuff we havent done in a longggg time

[@dr.zoidberg8666]

Ahh, Jak's description of Motherload explains my most recent experience with it... Leveling, lv 20, less than half my kit, & a psychotic tank runs off to pull 10 billion mobs giving me carpal tunnel & wiping the group anyway.

[@AutomaticJak]

Yuuuuuup and I swear they’re gonna make it more insane in some weird way lol