Automating the Nuclear Reactor! - Oxygen Not Included Experiment

[@andreit1685]

Can we all take a moment and appreciate probably the only person in the world that uses excel for something not boring?

[@clubsandwich559]

If you have airflow tiles in between the two pockets of crude oil, there won't be any heat transfer.

[@nopenope8418]

The point of fusion for the uranium ore is a bug, it is certainly missing a zero and then some numbers scrambling because uranium's melting point is 1132 degrees C. Even if this is for the ore rather than the pure metal, the ore is generally not far from the metal. Anyway, uranium is usually extracted chemically rather than by melting it since... well... molten uranium is a thing of nightmares.

[@seushimarejikaze1337]

molten uranium is a nice concrete "dissolvent", besides that, it cools down really slow and glows nicely.

[@thaumoking9947]

I think I have an idea for an efficient plant meat farm. Two of the biggest problems with Saturn traps are the long life cycle and the fact they can eat both sweetles and grubgrubs However, there is a way to know when it is safe for the grubs to come inside and give them the buff. When a critter is inside, the plant periodically creates puffs of hydrogen, which we can use to know when it has eaten our critter of choice. We can either use a sensor on every plant and run them into and gates to know when all are running, or we can use a single sensor and a timer, after which the grub grubs come in to apply their tend to the plants, dropping the 30 grow time into 15 Then, all we have left to do is know is when they are done and get the grubs out of there, which we can do by restricting access to the feeder when they go out and then opening it when a cycle passes to ensure all grubs are done And to detect when the plants are done digesting, we can either use a cycle sensor and a counter or have a pump constantly take out hydrogen and let more morbs in when the atmosphere drops below a certain point Sorry if it looks a bit chaotic but I hope this idea can be used or expanded into something that works

[@BreadProduct]

Due to the constant inclusion and removal of steam, you might be able to make it more efficient via a counterflow system. Also would it be beneficial to feed the steam output into the reactor as coolant? A reactor can get really hot, is it fair to only use it for power?

[@annana6098]

I often struggle to play this game because I have a NEED to find the best way to do things, and I get bogged down in the data collection and math, and then building the systems in a survival playthrough takes so long, so taking inspiration from your videos and the wiki really helps me enjoy the game in the time I have to play it.

[@2EOGIY]

is that self melting depleted uranium reactor? (like a regolith lava one)

[@brothgar]

I don't that that's what you are looking at.

[@Enterpise12]

@@brothgar where are you brothgar we miss you 🥺

[@djimpoels1750]

I wonder i you could some how use the exploding reactor in your benifit

[@oOZanlanOo]

Happy Fallout..

[@themadman5615]

Nuclear power, the cleanest, most efficient, and safest form of power currently available to humanity in real life. It's a shame it's seen as quite the dangerous endevour despite its overall safety and video games never seem to portray it realistically.

[@heavygaming6596]

Yeah and countries are trying to replace it with wind and solar which currently is not as environmentally friendly as people think..

[@ThylineTheGay]

*it’s safe when done properly I don’t think it’s exactly done properly

[@heavygaming6596]

@@ThylineTheGay it is done properly unless you go to some messed up country but dont you think they have a lot more problems

[@introprospector]

Considering how difficult it is to give the dupes radiation poisoning it seems pretty safe.

[@introprospector]

Also in the game you can magically destroy mass by venting it to space or other methods. So nuclear waste is never going to be a problem, unlike in real life.

[@Morganinism2]

I noticed that the shine bug was emitting radiation. This may be a problem.

[@ketsuekikumori9145]

Nah, just some extra vitamin D for our dupes since they spend so much time underground.

[@mattp2tommy]

@@ketsuekikumori9145 By D you mean R

[@missquprison]

I wish they introduce molten salt type of reactor. That would be so cool

[@sighmon5640]

perhaps that could be a higher tier equivalent to the nuclear reactor?

[@introprospector]

MSR in the world would be so cool. They'd need to add a system for liquids to generate heat though, and it'd have to interact with the radiation system somehow. The only way that can happen right now is with phase change, like in the liquid salt heat booster.

[@pedrolmlkzk]

they could add a fast reactor to destroy nuclear waste as well

[@mopsbackupaccount5128]

I think graphite is used in fission reactors to decrease the energy of the radiation so that it can do fission which I heard is the reason for Chernobyl but more specifically the graphite tips of the control rods, water is used now intend, but I'm not a nuclear fisisit.

Graphite is used as a moderator and reduces the speed of neutrons. This makes them more likely to cause more fission, so they help propagate the chain reaction 🙂 So yes, you are basically right. Water is a great alternative, because when it gets hot it will boil off, so you no longer have a moderator and the reaction stops by itself.

[@harrin1982]

If we can use an conveyor loader can be used to load enriched uranium, then we can ship the enriched uranium to a vacuum sealed square, and have the auto sweeper grab the fuel as needed... Would be a thing to check!

[@NatePrawdzik]

Can you get that Uranium on conveyors so your duplicants never need to go in the heat chamber?

[@brothgar]

Heat is still a problem and it is manually loaded.

[@lordfaladar6261]

Meep needs a Fallout outfit now

[@overloader7900]

"We can optimise it. Do we want to?"

[@korturas9084]

The fluid inside a reservoir does not transfer heat directly to the reservoir, it transfers it to the tiles the reservoir is sitting on which then transfer it to the reservoir. Mesh and airflow tiles do not transfer heat, the fluid or gas inside them does. So if you build the reservoir on airflow or mesh tiles inside a vacuum there can be no heat transfer.

[@KevBotnik]

You ship the enriched uranium into a single vacuum tile that an auto sweep can reach on an angle so no temperature transfers into it, I do that with hot igneous rock and obsidian for geothermal so the auto sweep takes it and loads it into the steam room so the debris sits and waits to be used

[@kminrzymski]

I just want to roleplay the whole Chernobyl series with it

[@nematrec1]

Did you know the reactor outputs a drip of 400c water rather than 400c steam? falls all the way down until it hits something then turns into steam. Also there's currently a bug where the reactor melts down when it runs out of fuel

[@cheetored20]

Can you send the particals through glass? If so glass at the bottom of the reactor might be good for reaserch purposes

[@Enterpise12]

Where are you @brothgar, we miss you 🥺

[@kuru5964]

You don't need isoresin for naphtha you can just use plastic right?

[@brothgar]

nah it's different now.

[@DijonFromage]

I think he just misspoke there. Naptha used to do what visco-gel does now, where it would pile up instead of flow.

[@Spakken117]

I wonder how liquid lead works as radiation shielding and how its mass is playing into this...

[@zanthrasw]

How high of pressure can you have the steam in the reactor room? Unlike running petroleum generators at high temperature for extra power from the high temperature steam, the temperature of the steam released by the reactor seems to be independent of the temperature of the reactor itself, so if you run at 100kg+ per tile, and use enough turbines (along with temp shift plates and metal tiles to create good temperature balancing, you should be able to run the reactor in a room that is temperature stabilized by steam turbined without inputs blocked. If my observations are correct and the reactor turns approximately 5kg of water to 400C steam per second, then it generates about 6.2 MDTU/s, so that's at least 8 steam turbines to keep the heat under control at full load, and very high steam pressure in the room to maintain thermal inertia, perhaps close to the 1000kg limit of liquid vents for adding the additional water into the reactor room. The steam turbines should reach equilibrium at a little under 200 degree temperature in the reactor chamber. This system would circulate 16kg/s of water for cooling, but only 5kg/s of that would be directly to the reactor.

[@tszhin814]

I think it would be better if there is an additional layer between the generated steam verses the steam powering the turbines, much like irl. Its easier to smooth out the turbine output and you can make the inner chamber with bunker tiles to guard against meltdowns

[@G.r.e.g.g.l.e.s]

Phosphorus Gas Nuclear Reactor chamber? Didn't Phosphorus have very very good conductivity and you try to experiment with phosphorus volcanoes a year ago? I'd say without supercoolant, having a whole chamber of phosphorus gas as the nuclear medium, before relaying heat to the secondary steam chamber?

[@deilusi]

easy way is to keep a lot of water inside, like 20kg-50kg per tile and running it temp constrained, not pressure constrained. water goes back through bridge into tank -> reactor, and whatever is above what reactor will take just drip back in. This way maybe steel auto-sweeper might survive.

[@sighmon5640]

in a higher tier nuclear reactor build, could you perhaps put the particle accelerator things _in between_ the liquid-flow tiles and the insulated walls? assuming they could withstand the heat, the particle accelerators should only benefit from a higher exposure to radiation as far as i know, and those insulated tiles would be halving the radiation from the reactor at least, even with a less shielded material, (if the sky-test tiles also apply to insulated tiles at least) although, perhaps the liquid-flow tiles have the same problem? i'd expect they or the air-flow tiles are much less shielded because they aren't actually a solid block "lore"-wise, but i could be wrong. however it might still be significantly better, even if its just 1 layer of shielding vs 2 between the reactor and the particle accelerators I'm unsure how the high-energy-particles interact with heat, but you could probably use some liquid or other as makeshift insulated tile

[@fl00ds]

do the high energy particles go through fluids? Because if they do then maybe have no tiles between the reactor and the radiation collector things to increase the amount of radiation they're exposed to and then have them blast the high energy particles through a uranium liquid lock or something of the sorts.

[@raylenn4444]

hey brothgar....i was thinking for a second and here's what i came uo with: why don't you use thoses particle canons to kill off critters? like have them grow in a farm safely, and then when they go past a treshold, one of the dupes carry the critter to the slaughter room, where they'd get bombarded with particles to kill them.... i think that could work.

[@PyrokineticFire1]

is that better than drowning them? oil can be moved by unpowered doors & in a wide temperature range. edit: i understand doing things because it'd be cool. is there a benefit i'm not seeing, or is it just an alternative to doing things the same way each time?

[@Chikicus]

Oxygen not included, the only game where you colonize 3 different planets BEFORE constructing a nuclear reactor array

[@pedrolmlkzk]

they are asteroids so they are easier to move aroun also hello fellow unusually late commenter

[@YellowGoddess]

do the radbolts reset back to zero when you unpower them or do they keep their progress?

[@commonsense-og1gz]

would there be an advantage to dropping the hatches into the saturn traps as opposed to an evolution chamber?

[@pedrolmlkzk]

you'd need a lot of saturn traps for that, but they would generate a lot of food at a cost of a lot of polluted water as well

[@hbarudi]

Why not enrich the uranium outside the room containing the reactor and then simply deliver enriched uranium by conveyor to the reactor or ranch beetas?

[@samuelvieira9748]

Hey Brothgar, is it true that critters can die from radiation (excluding beetas, duplicants and shine bugs)? Beacuse I had a drecko close to a Beeta Hive and he died.

[@slickrick8279]

Brothgar Let me say something Ive not been here for too long but you have the right attitude to be successful on youtube Btw what is the density of the new radioactive stuff compares to other gases and fluids maybe it could be possible to gather the radioactive pollution to make energy by heating water or something

[@kilat1791]

I tried my hand with this and I realized that all you need is 6 turbines operating at 4 outlets with 3 turbines feeding water back to the steam chamber while the other 3 carries water out to prevent overpressure. Drip the water on a 3 wide airflow tiles next to the reactor on both side near the top and spread tempshift plates between the two to keep the steam cool just below 226C and generating near max power. No automation necessary in keeping the steam temperature constant. Just the fact that steam temperature should average out between the 400C steam output and the 95C water from the steam turbine.

[@CourtJester888]

brothgar, set up an infinite food storage in your steam chamber to hold the uranium ore and just leave it as a vaccuum and have uranium ore delivery automated to a 3kg pressure plate inside via rail delivery. the sweeper will be able to access the ore and deliver it from there.

[@Pastooor123]

maybe if you put the uranium centrifuge outside the chamber with the reactor and send the enriched uranium with some conveyor, something like the infinite food storage

[@DderwenWyllt]

Oh man nuclear reactors are so tempting, I really want to buy this DLC but I'm holding off until it's polished but the DLC introduces everything I ever wanted in this game and the temptation to buy it is overwhelming

[@profjupiter8492]

can you do a pentrolion boiler with the nuclar reactor?

[@PhysicsManual]

Nice video! Try maybe filling your steam room with very high steam pressure to even out the temperature swings, then you should be able to just have your steam turbines run without doors as well, as they passively cool more when the steam is hotter (more heat deleted).

[@lwo7736]

Hey Brothgar, is the automation/min maxing using doors to cover up the turbine inputs still the same?

[@MrJamjammers]

Can this be like temporarily ramped up lets say to like 8kg for like half a cycle in case you need a burst of power? or would that just completely break the system

[@wobblysauce]

You could cool the liquid lock also.

[@Thegreatestgray]

Your test maybe off a bit as one of the automation wires for the reactor was tied to a door turning off the reactor prematurely

[@Gorrebell]

Yeah, one of the temperature sensors directly above the reactor was turning the reactor off once it got too hot

[@2EOGIY]

Wouldn't Hydrogen be a better medium to take out heat from the reactor? Actually, liquid uranium has superb conductivity and the reactor can work in submerge. How many turbines you can run out of that setup?

[@QuantomShovel]

Does Brothgar have Merch?

[@brothgar]

Sometimes I make a few sweepys

[@olegdoroshenko4836]

Three-Liquid Vertical Liquid Lock is not working in DLC?

[@2EOGIY]

I just realised that everyone on youtube is wrong about using nuclear reactors. Those are not for making steam. but for making petroleum or sour gas and steaming is the secondary process to cool those two above.

[@brothgar]

You could use the 400c steam to preheat oil.

[@PyrokineticFire1]

such a massive heat source; seems a shame to limit it to 200°c there are uses for the higher temps it's capable of reaching.

[@dragonpc8258]

if you are turning off the rad collectors does it zero out their state as well, or do they save the state and still shoot out their beam? because i didn't see them shoot once you automated them.

[@georgescuadrian4102]

If you turn them off they keep their state and still collect radiation but they dont shoot radbolts

[@josiahteeples2000]

After the meltdown are you able to fix the nuc reactor or do you have to destroy it and completely rebuild it?

[@brothgar]

I'm not sure. It feels a bit like game over :P

[@shadowofalegend8316]

The enriched uranium could be a great material for the the metal refinery

[@brothgar]

Indeed. 4000C!!!!

[@krissimonis3604]

@@brothgar Finally an 'easy' way to melt abyssalite and insulation to make tungsten.

[@shadowofalegend8316]

@@krissimonis3604 abyssalite will take forever and we don't know how isoresin will be added to game

[@krissimonis3604]

@@shadowofalegend8316 There's already several designs that use flaking to melt abyssalite pretty effectively. As for isoreson, it's already in the game with the last upgrade. You have some tree on one of the new planetoids that you need to feed and it will spit out resin that you can use to make isoresin.

[@GaiaDblade]

I just realized... is it possible to have a liquid uranium-cooled metal production?

[@PyrokineticFire1]

as long as it can hold the dtu's from the refinery without breaking pipes... why not? i like oil/petrol for temperature range, but maybe uranium will have good conductivity.

[@sirmiro2]

Why not build it similar with the real ones? A cooling loop that goes in to the reactor room, then this loop heat up the water that makes steam. So see the reactor as magma, but controllable. That makes the reactor possible to wall in with lead, a vacuum and then bunker tiles.

[@MrKurapica2009]

1:45 this one killed me :D hahahaha

[@custume]

well a couple of things ... the number of turbines can be higher ( we just need to use a doors system like we did with the old turbines, just compress the steam to another/s room/s ) the liquid lock is all nice but oil is not the best, the best way is not use it at all, some shipping rails might be the solution removing liquid from the reactor room can be done with automatic doors to a place more cold the big problem I see right now (in the future this might be change) is the availability of uranium, you can do the same with 2 or 3 volcanos and make steam from magma overall the tech looks nice but we have better alternatives, also more cheep and reliable (meaning they don't explode)

[@PyrokineticFire1]

i hate choking turbines with doors. i'd rather alter the steam so my turbines run "ideally" with hot steam vents/volcanoes i'd say keep a stockpile of water to regulate temperature in steam chamber... but with a constant nuclear source, just add more turbines! the Xkg of 400° steam will balance with Ykg of 95° water to make Zkg of 200° steam.

[@MathewSan_]

Great video 🔝👍🏻

[@gunnarjensen8400]

when are you going to make a new oni survival vid

[@SpiritofrockinKids]

What temp does Sweepy work at? Would they be a good way to clean up the Nuclear Waste?

[@SpiritofrockinKids]

Maybe having the Enriched Uranium from a drop-off in a vacuumed room diagonal from the Autosweeper to keep it solid while having the reactor auto filled.

[@TaRTaRuSwOLf]

I'm thinking about the true "green" (and shiny) power source using radioactive materials (and I meaning a GREEN-SHINING reactor): we wan't the shinebug reactor back! Why not to have a singing inner Sun inside our bases? Even we can catch the particles for science! It't for the science, Brothgar!

[@0x0404]

Can you shoot charged particles through anything? Like glass maybe?

[@brothgar]

Nothing solid, but it seems like it will pass through a liquid.

[@0x0404]

Alright then. You could pass it through a series of redirectors through a double waterlock and get charged particles from the inside.

[@gunnarjensen8400]

do you think they will add graphene and with this being a 2d game it would we stronger than diamond

[@hotfocaccia6070]

You get isoresin from the water planet in the no earthly resin update

[@Patrick1985McMahon]

would like to see different size reactors. (small, medium, large) that way we have more flexibility to meet different builds.

[@clubsandwich559]

Wait whaaa? What's the second thing in the refined metals section?

[@brothgar]

There are some other metals electrum and one other.

[@clubsandwich559]

I'm not sure. Is it lead? Did they retexture it?

[@secretslayer1234]

Maybe a video idea, how long do you have to stop a meltdown before the reactor is destroyed?

[@brothgar]

Not long enough to do something about it :P

[@secretslayer1234]

@@brothgar maybe they will add something to help, or maybe they will add more time. Who knows....

[@justgame5508]

@@secretslayer1234 hopefully not, the games already far too easy as it is, we need all the challenge we can get, and the prospect of overlooking your water generation, even briefly, having catastrophic and death spiralling consequences is a good thing for me. I miss the days when there was genuine danger for your dupes such as slime lung (before the nerfs)

[@Zorbeltuss]

I would have expected the radbolt generators to have output signals rather than inputs.

[@Bahonkadonkers]

I love this channel!

[@brothgar]

Thanks :)

[@ObiWanCannabi]

not sure i like what they are doing with the game, i keep picking it up and trying to give it a chance but its gone from having 1 superbase to 5 mini bases, not including rocket habs, I get 2 bases stable on the starting planets and just cant be bothered with rockets, stop playing for weeks and then forget where everything was and start again

[@mus_xr4653]

What is the mod that you use for sandbox.

[@oOZanlanOo]

Mod?

[@PopeMical]

He has the debug tools enabled while he's messing around with sandbox. It's extremely helpful and I highly recommend you do so too when testing things in sandbox. (edit: it's not a mod just the base debug tools)

[@mus_xr4653]

@@PopeMical thank you I didn’t know that.

[@Voltechs]

Observation: I've noticed you do this somewhat frequently in your video, where the video cuts, and you repeat what you just said. Example: At 4:55, you say "well, I tell you what", then the video jumps, and at 4:49 you say "Well I tell you what" again, but slightly differently. Question: Why do you do this?

[@gelugon2105]

No nuclear power for me. That's too much space to make use of the reactor, and that space becomes suit-required space too. I prefer colonies with maximized ease of access, and not having to have Duplicants wear suits most of the time.

[@jensjensen7504]

Francis will give us the answer we need ;)

[@cardminatorful]

shame u can only do it 1 asteroid all that power or i missed a update u can transfer to other places

[@dominic.h.3363]

When Spaced Out came out I loved every single change they made to the game, almost as much as I hate just about everything related to fission (hell, everything else too, the farming stuff included) they released with this new update. The whole thing is just a convoluted mess that instead of adding more utility to the game, just adds nuisance. I'm not saying your design is bad or inefficient, I'm saying that if that's what it takes to make it work, I rather feed stone hatches the output of those 3 starter map minor volcanoes and use 3 tuned up coal generators instead...

[@CourtJester888]

the design around fission seems to be more as a barrier to research than something used to create power efficiently compared to other forms of energy. power wise just about anything would out perform this. You could set up a dupe slave pen with hamster wheels and deliver them meal lice. four dupes and an equal number of crimes against humanity later and you're pumping out power on par with this fission design. As for the design there's bound to be inefficiencies. its a proof of concept. You could, in theory, scale this to produce a lot more power with multiple reactors in a long or tall design at the cost of map space. Will it ever be as useful, efficient, and hands off as a well made sour gas boiler. Absolutely not, but its another option. Also consider how easy it would be to set up a fission/steam turbine system on other planets and running it off delivered enriched uranium. We can't do that efficiently with coal/petroleum so that may be where they're heading with this as well. We'll have to wait and see the big picture I think.

[@dominic.h.3363]

@@CourtJester888 An option is only an option if you are willing to deal with the additional tedium. That's the difference between an alternative, and a gameplay element people just go ahead and skip...

[@SireBab]

I see it as a "it's there if you want it, but you don't need it". And go elaborate on that part, you can get the rad bolts from space, beetas, or shine bugs, and just never bother with nuclear. Personally, I'm not going to bother with these unless I have like a uranium volcano to justify the effort.

[@dominic.h.3363]

@@SireBab Exactly, skip it.

[@dominic.h.3363]

@tokul76 I'm the guy who never bothered to build a rocket in the base game because it was too tedious - not difficult, there is no difficulty in copying a youtube video about it -, and even I have no issues with getting either fiber, or plastic. Actually, I'm getting them at the same time by entering the third planet and either waiting for the printing pod to roll a drecklet egg, or I just capture a drecklet and take it home, then breed glossy drecklets. Easy enough. Just because the tier progression is different it doesn't mean it's broken.

[@SpaceDave1337]

Last time someone build a graphite-moderated reactor, half of europe was contaminated, I don't think building with Graphite is the best idea...

[@Bk97School]

This is content

[@mcklub]

There is no graphite on the floor

[@jpjaye]

howcome he didn't put petroleum on the steam turbines

I don't remember the boiling temperature of nuclear waste, but couldn't you technically use that for the liquid lock? Would be pretty funny, and your dupes are probably going to be wearing lead suits anyway.

[@brothgar]

Poor dupes lol!

[@apgamer4053]

i pop in for the first time in like 6 months and meeps blowing up the reactor ......... welp i see nothing hath changed XD

[@peederu5120]

Right now my country is still at 6 o'clock 🤣For me, it's very early.

[@vanilan3585]

Are you thai??

[@gunnarjensen8400]

a reactor with a atomantion port factorio could learn something

[@AngeloXification]

What an intro lol

[@diamondjub2318]

in all my years I don't think I've found the answer to this question... Is Uranium a metal?

[@hotfocaccia6070]

Yes

[@XCRunningMan95]

Yes, they actually used the normal, non radioactive stuff as tank armor at times because the stuff is so dense

[@cpypcy]

Pokes Brothgar with a stick... come on upload something. :D

[@oliverlindemann2648]

so the net power gain is somewhere between 2 and 3 coal genertors. Klei should rebalance this a bit; or - even tho nice to watch - ur build is not very efficient when it comes to power generation.

[@Paul-zk9ou]

at some point, this started making zero sense to me

[@jake1082]

Hope Meep is not dead

[@brothgar]

Meep is fine. Just glowing a bit.

[@jake1082]

@@brothgar But corium hit him

[@omegabro2617]

Why did you upload this at 23:30? I want to sleep please.

[@tsabito]

20 rads... not great, not terrible.

[@mopsbackupaccount5128]

1 Mj = 1000 kj = 1 000 000 j this is metric.

[@myrmidononyx7284]

man, why u dont work in NASA?

[@jbthekeeper2509]

Liquid uranium coolant anyone?

[@Idontknowwhattocallmyself]

14 seconds ago!

[@Shezestriakis]

Game developers that have no idea how reactors or radiation work should not put them in their games. ONI and Satisfactory, for example...

[@MANGO-ly2xu]

cookies

[@heavystalin2419]

where

[@MANGO-ly2xu]

@@heavystalin2419 I will not share my prized baked goods.

[@Deathwalker01st]

:-)