Autopsy doctor describes Abby's and Libby's injuries | Trial Day 5 | DELPHI DEBRIEF

[@JustMe-sj2oe]

I hope the jurors receive counseling after the trial 😢

[@shelleygold4923]

I was just thinking the same

[@shelleygold4923]

I don't know why but I just think they should take Richard Allen back to those tracks make him put his hands in his pocket and walk over the bridge just to see his gate and how he walks and so forth I just think that's really important

[@deannekliene2673]

Everyone in court room....

[@malibubarbie9098]

Right!! It’s hard enough just hearing the details. I can’t imagine having to see it. My heart goes out to all in that court room.

[@bambinaforever1402]

Yeah, about how incompetent police are

[@flok.8317]

Wow. This is the very best reporting I have seen on the trial. Outstanding team, relating what was heard and seen at the trial, and also providing excellent analysis of the facts. Outstanding. Also, the team members' tone is respectful and appropriate. I have seen reporters sound all excited and energetic, in a very inappropriate way. But not this very professional team.

[@raycanavan5363]

Totally agree! Very considerate and sympathetic tone.

[@lillieeve6969]

I’ve noticed the excitement you’re referring to and felt weird about it myself

[@dlbodkins]

Amazing group of people there I agree 👍

[@dewilew2137]

Yeah, I’m subscribing just because of this reporting.

[@karma_03]

Haha you have been missing out then find lawyer you tubers with hours long livestreams of testimony and much more

[@cindyrussell1581]

These poor young girls what they must of went through, what evil person would want to hurt someone so badly. Specially to young kids.. I sure hope Abby and Libby get justice. R.I.P to Abby and Libby.🌹🕊️🌹🕊️

[@belindasanders7072]

Sarah also testified there was over a page of her interview missing.

[@maybememory1]

If this woman, “as local as local gets”, sees this man so clearly, wouldn’t she recognize him as a local? It sounds like everyone who saw Bridge Guy that day, no one recognized him, in a town of like 2,000. That’s odd to me.

[@nanmattingly6402]

@maybememory1 I think this woman may have seen "bridge guy," but her recall changed frequently, which renders her testimony useless. Plus, her attitude doesn't win favorable votes. Prosecution lost one on her testimony.

[@schindel6307]

Sometimes, when you see someone that you are not acquainted with or friend with and you think their behavior odd, you remember that. Then, when you hear something so traumatic happened, every man that could even resemble the person you saw flashes through your mind. Usually people that commit horrible crimes like these do not stand out in your mind. They are your everyday Joe and they enjoy that anonymity.

[@RondaWELLS-h6t]

I think people did recognize his clothing & that’s why Allen went to the police and confessed to being on the bridge. He was really wrapped up and face/hair were covered.

[@Lee_lee_27_7_27]

I went to a high school with 4,000 kids across the 4 years. I didn't recognize everyone in my class of around 1k, which makes me understand if no one recognized him

[@MareMarMarie]

Some people just blend in. Especially if he just keeps to himself, doesn’t make eye contact doesn’t draw attention to himself. I could see it. He worked at a CVS or Walgreens, they work with barebones staff so he didn’t have a ton of coworkers.

[@jobee1]

I just hope they have the right person and that justice is served for these two young ladies. This crime has haunted me since it happened. My prayers go out to all the family members who have to relive this and have it open up wounds that might have started to heal. Please know we haven’t forgotten you and are hoping for justice.

[@nancifyme]

I have searched all over KZbin, and this reporting is excellent.

[@Christy-.]

Watch hidden true crime youtube shes in the courtroom and is covering what she saw/heard extensively.

[@Carrie-wl2nm]

Agree. The 'Delphi' YT channels really are a letdown...

[@nancifyme]

@@Christy-. Thanks for your response, but I tried them, and there is too much personal banter, IMO, and it takes too long for the husband to make his point. I understand people like to get to know their KZbin creators, so I don’t want to be critical. But my personal preference is straight reporting without personal comments, which seems hard to come by in true crime.

[@meganlaynecrafts]

Hidden true crime

[@meganlaynecrafts]

@@nancifymeduring the trial she is just reporting from her notes and her husband isn’t on. She does occasionally does give her opinions but so do these guys. They are reporting from their view of what they saw in court just like she is.

[@localfan8174]

I can’t imagine what these little girls went through. It’s so hard to believe such evil exists. They were just little girls having fun on a sunny afternoon. It’s so absolutely unfair.

[@Calimax91]

I really like how the jurors are allowed to ask questions

[@leadleftgotslept]

@@Calimax91 Standard procedure. Certainly a good thing.

[@darcyjeanske821]

​@leadleftgotslept not all states require it by law and not all questions are allowed.

[@leadleftgotslept]

@@darcyjeanske821 obviously not all questions are allowed to be asked for multiple reasons. What states would you be referring to?

[@Jasmine-k9m2b]

Nowwhere in Canada is this allowed. I think it's amazing.

[@leadleftgotslept]

@@Jasmine-k9m2b Well, I mean Canada isn't a state as you know, but I understand your sentiment. While our(US) justice system is flawed, it serves us well at times and is leaps & bounds better than most others.

[@conniebucy2423]

Justice for Abby, Libby and their families!!❤❤❤

[@wanya_telborn]

Amen ❤

[@craftcrumbs]

Your coverage of this trial is outstanding and your legal expert is awesome! I haven't found this much info anywhere else on KZbin. Thank you!

[@ashleyvalentine2790]

Justice for Abby and Libby ⚖️ 🙏 ❤️ ❤

[@CPAndy-x5x]

The local cops screwed this up from the beginning.

[@austin33785]

Covered not screwed

[@mjbeezer]

And Indiana State Police. They kicked out the FBI who had a different theory and suspect, RL.

[@56dh]

​@@mjbeezerI remember reading about him. One FBI agent was totally convinced it was him. Didn't this take place on his property or adjacent to it? His alibi wasn't convincing to them either. Then his former girlfriend said he was abusive to women.

[@austin33785]

@56dh on his property and he literally lied about his alibi. And yes he was abusive.

[@56dh]

@@redpantsproject He did look like BG & there needs to be a harder look at him. We don't want an innocent man to go to jail.

[@tracy5975]

Sooo if this lady is saying she seen a man all bloody, ummm why did she not call the cops smh

[@lefish5277]

Bystander effect

[@B.cest-la-vie]

I wish Andy had asked her that! Can you imagine ...Ms. Carbaugh, if you indeed passed a bloody man, hunched over, walking down the side of the road...why did you not immediately dial 911?

[@amyvilla5292]

Theres no way he/she wasnt coverd in blood from the ammount found at the crime scene

[@KyleTMcN]

It sounds like she inserted herself into the investigation for attention. It’s not uncommon.

[@56dh]

​@@B.cest-la-vieAgree. And, the guy wasn't squirrel or rabbit hunting.

[@annettejones9785]

My heart goes out to the poor families listening and observing this. Unimaginable, my love and prayers, may the family find peace and true justice to this demon.

[@Velcro1997]

The more I hear the more questions I have. I hope these girls get justice. It’s horrifying hearing about their final moments and how long it took for them to pass. Prayers for the family and friends.

[@annettelacey7913]

5 to 10 mins before they died,Heart breaking, you'd always hope it would be fast but to hear how long it would of taken is shattering, RIP sweet girls

[@l.Marissa.l]

@@annettelacey7913and putting yourself in their shoes and knowing how horrified/helpless they felt. Also thinking if that happened to your own children. I, just, can’t. RIP Abby & Libby 🕊️🕯️💜🙏🏼

[@crystalschweitzer7625]

I have so many more questions since trial started. I hope the truth comes out.

[@TziporaRaphaella]

@@annettelacey7913That part is haunting and I know I’m finding it really upsetting so I can’t even imagine how the families are feeling knowing that. Those poor girls.

[@AM-xe4iq]

I don’t think they should be giving out the jurors personal info such as their occupation.

[@Nan.C]

Thought the same too. How is it relevant for the viewers to know that? Its more damaging to the juror

[@meganlaynecrafts]

School districts only have one transportation director, it’s straight up unethical for them to give that information out. The judge is already trying to find any way to restrict the media and public from giving information on the case.

[@emm8357]

@@Nan.C it’s quite common that the press are able to report on a juror’s gender, age (maybe within a range, such as “in his 30s”), and occupation. They even mentioned occupation of the jurors at Trump’s NYC criminal trial, where it was found that the jurors must remain anonymous for their own safety.

[@MegaTinni]

A trial is public. No one benefits from any form of secrecy.

[@bambinaforever1402]

Exactly

[@littleflower23]

These reporters, the anchor, and the legal expert are top notch. I like how down to earth and genuine they are. They share their heartfelt emotion about these gruesome murders with the utmost respect and compassion. While I never listen to the gruesome details of an autopsy expert I felt I owed it to these beautiful girls - Libby and Abby - to hear every ugly detail that is shared. This is such a horrendous and savage act...it's incomprehensible. My heart goes out to Abby's and Libby's families. Thank you WTHR for your sensitive and comprehensive coverage. I wish our national news people were more like you.

[@S-T-E-V-E]

So Richard Allen had 26 devices that he kept but threw away the one from the time of the murder? 🤨

[@krys10011]

I mean, you would probably throw the 1 away that could have evidence of murder? Maybe nothing incriminating on the others which is why he kept them? Honestly I think RA is guilty but I am able to see all the issues, odd things about this case so I'm not 100%. It's just my opinion which may be wrong!

[@michaelbartley9572]

Ah man. 5-10 minutes suffering and panicking. If that sob did it I hope he’s done in prison and the favor returned. This is horrible. I can’t believe how they investigated this. They need to bring in competent people and exhume their bodies and do a proper investigation

[@rachelburton8689]

One of the girls was cremated..so not possible

[@AwildaOcasio]

FBI

[@ChiefsWin316]

He will have to be protected in prison if convicted. He will most certainly have a target on his neck.

[@brandonbarham7631]

​@@ChiefsWin316there is no real protection for that type of person. Guards mysteriously Crack the cell doors sometimes and also there are times where inmates request protective custody just to get in the pod with those people to "take out the trash"

[@gamgamdabest8327]

My kids and I buried their dad 18 years ago after he was murdered. His killer confessed but, never saw a day of prison time. (Money can do a lot to keep ppl from paying for their crimes). My kids and I would all agree that nothing is bringing him back. We’d never want him exhumed. He’s been laid to rest. He deserves to stay at rest. Do we wish we could get justice? Absolutely but, not at the cost of further disrespect to his body and absolutely not at the price of the public being part of our life again on the daily. The public and their speculations and often straight up lies about our tragedy was more difficult to manage them losing him. Ppl suck. I mean REALLY suck. Look at all the people who say whatever they want to just on this post. Look at yourself, pretending that you understand what “should” be done. Would you want your child exhumed and molested further? I sure af wouldn’t want that.

[@torndown9781]

This is the most informative coverage I have listened to in this trial , thank you to the reporters and all involved in keeping the public informed about this trial. May the families someday find peace and comfort in the precious memories Abby and Libby left behind.

[@Carol-c9u]

Again Richard Allen put himself on the bridge. He’s his own witness and you can’t get much better than that!

[@lindseysanders3656]

Yes, I agree. I think many people are getting tripped up by his behavior and “ deteriorating health” after he was arrested. I’m not. He seems rather manipulative to me and only cares about the fact that he was caught. He went to account for his whereabouts that day, I think, to appear like he was cooperative, honest and an innocent witness, because he thought someone may have seen him there that day. It’s a very small town.

[@Carol-c9u]

@@lindseysanders3656 and he only reported himself on the bridge two days after when the sketch came out. So totally agree with you.

[@Mary-e6o5x]

Did the three know each other? Not that it matters, but were those lil girls being provocative? Plz forgive me, I understand Richard should have walked the other way n left the lil girls alone !!!

[@Kristin2885]

Not only put himself there, but in the exact same outfit as the killer, prior to the release of Libby's video. He told the Deputy what he was wearing in that interview, not imagining he had been actually filmed on his walk-up to the girls. For him to be innocent, you have to imagine two men on that Bridge on that exact day and timeframe, of similar age and physical build, walking by themselves, wearing the exact same outfit and owning/carrying a firearm consistent with the bullet found at the crime scene. This, to me, is the most obvious piece of damning evidence. I can't imagine, outside of a Hollywood styled My Cousin Vinny movie, how two doppelgängers could be on that bridge on that same day in identical outfits, one being the killer and the other being an innocent man watching fish.

[@teen42]

Exactly 💯

[@Moonstone115]

This is the best coverage of this horrific case on youtube.....❤ Justice for Abby & Libby 🙏🙏

[@krys10011]

Yeah I agree, facts are presented tastefully without any dramatics etc from reporters or opinions etc. They showed compassion & were respectful by not being too graphic or coming up with random speculation.

[@cormacconaghan2715]

This has consistently been the most comprehensive and best coverage of this case. Thank you for your effotts

[@MegaTinni]

No. Look at Hidden True Crime. She is in the court each day and does a much better account of everything said and shown.

[@angelmeade6927]

If they had let the FBI do the investigation none of these things would’ve happened Makes me so angry

[@kimlarso]

We’ll see why by who comes out w their book on this case

[@TheJilly1337]

Facts! 💯

[@MeribethCome]

Maybe

[@noodles5004]

The fbi being denied to continue assisting when they were the ones who were investigating the cult/odinism theories to begin with make me really question the motives behind the local police department.

[@briancampbell5873]

Why do you feel the FBI would do better? We also have seen how incompetent they have been the past few months

[@Ultorvindex]

That guy in the bridge is 1000 percent Richard Allen. The face is so clear when you zoom the picture its really impossible to deny is him. Impossible to deny is him. So, Libby herself solved this case by her bravery of taking that photo of this monster of a being named Richard Allen.

[@AliBaba-ke5jn]

I'm not so sure it's him. Video is very blurry.

[@hippopotamus6765]

all sketches and video strongly show Bridge Guy as RA.

[@ssmith364]

If it’s RA then why is the state hell bent on strong arming him into confessions…. And NOT allowing his defense attorneys to defend him…🤔 IN ADDITION how does one person kill two young girls Place sticks and redress in less than 19 mins - with all evidence indicating the girls were NOT killed where they were found….

[@bobbyswain7049]

correct.......her video of RA solved this case

[@MegaTinni]

He is. BG walks talks and moves like Allen. He wears the same clothes. And Allen confessed. He will be punished. Libby did good. She can rest soon.

[@thaterinb245]

I don’t really get the confusion. When you took a picture on Snapchat back in the day it didn’t save to your camera roll or the app. Makes sense to me why it wouldn’t be on the phone.

[@grap3eblood]

that’s true.

[@Jasmine-k9m2b]

Yeah exactly

[@m.g.2645]

✨This channel has consistently given the BEST trial coverage! Excellent, thank you very much💗⚖️

[@tobysirus4996]

"For who knows the evil that lurks within ones heart ? "

[@ignacio9399]

So he saves all 26 phones but the phone he used in 2017, is gone? COME ON 😂 it’s obvious at this point

[@brockit79]

But were those 26 covering the period of time in question? I'd have to go back over it and find the bit and replay. It really isn't obvious just on that one piece of the puzzle. I did go back and it didn't state whether the 26 devices were all current at the time of the murders.

[@ArthurB26]

Suspicious but definitely not a smoking gun... Seems every piece of weak circumstantial evidence in this case makes it obvious he's responsible in your guys minds. Confirmation bias at its finest. You people decided he's guilty as soon as he was arrested, any information released after that just reaffirms that belief.

[@chrisblevins5143]

​@@ArthurB26if I had to give a verdict on just the information that's been given thus far, I couldn't with good conscience find him guilty. And that brings up the question of, if Allen isn't guilty, who brutally murdered those girls?

[@ArthurB26]

@@chrisblevins5143 Agreed. And your question is why I'm so critical of people who think he's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and would be quick to rule that way if they were on this jury. I don't just want someone locked up because they're a somewhat decent suspect in the case and have a bunch of weak circumstantial evidence against that proves he COULD'VE committed the crime. I want the right person locked up and for the state prove nobody besides Allen could've possibly committed the crime. Which is the legal standard. I get a lot of hate for that in these comment sections but I still believe in the standard of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, not just because I don't want any innocent people going to prison but because I want guilty people to be held accountable. And if Allen is innocent and he's found guilty anyway, that means the case is closed and a real monster would be free

[@tararae7304]

​@ArthurB26 I've followed this case since day one, he's absolutely guilty.But I'm not sure he did it alone.

[@irishouston4103]

Why are humans so cruel? Why?

[@TobyWozney-Snider-tg2px]

Not all humans, just male humans.

[@katschrodinger954]

@@TobyWozney-Snider-tg2px Not all men are cruel.

[@markysumm72]

​@TobyWozney-Snider-tg2px yes because famously, no female has ever murdered a child...🙄🙄🙄

[@river8760]

@@TobyWozney-Snider-tg2pxTry again on that, Lori Vallow Daybell?!

[@rb5078]

@@TobyWozney-Snider-tg2pxTroll.

[@usakiwi1986]

Right? If the State is so certain Richard Allen is the guy, why wouldn't they have asked the one witness if he is the guy she saw.

[@susanalexander6721]

None of the several that saw him said, that's him.

[@Sassy3-m5h]

More importantly since Richard Allen wanted to put himself there did he see the bridge guy?

[@hariseldon2450]

Must be very hard to be in the jury. The pictures of Abigail and Liberty must be gut-wrenching to look at.

[@krys10011]

Yeah this whole case is likely to traumatise the jury, just awful seeing up close pics, video. I can imagine hearing witness testimonies will be harrowing too, do we know if either Libby or Abbys families will be giving evidence? If so, this will be deeply heartbreaking. Respect to the jury - this is a horrific case to be on 😞

[@nvegas4552]

The witness who saw the "muddy" and "bloody" person at the side of the road and who thought he looked like he'd fallen down a cliff said she wouldn't have stopped to check on him because she was female. But, if I were in her position, I'd have called 911 to send a police car out to check on his welfare. You can't just drive past someone in what she said was his condition, shrug, and go on. 911 should have been called.

[@bethysbarn]

Exactly! I’d have called the police and reported someone covered in blood, at the very least he’s injured and it doesn’t hurt to check why he’s bloody, perhaps someone else is injured, even an animal, I couldn’t just drive on and forget about it! Then when she heard girls were missing, I’d have immediately linked the 2 and been horrified! Some of the examinations aren’t very thorough by the sound of it, I’d have had a lot of questions for the coroner myself! Sounds like it’s just incompetence all round 🤦‍♀️💔 those poor girls 😭💔💔💔

[@susanalexander6721]

​@@bethysbarnshe didn't say anything about blood until her 3rd or 4th interview. Said she was 20 ft away in one, 3 ft. In another. Why worry about anything she says?

[@crystalschweitzer7625]

Those pictures sound just horrible. One of my college friends takes crime scene photos and I'll never ever understand how she can stomach it.

[@regineuhe6657]

The guy on the girls video is bridge guy and I have zero doubt it is Allen. He looks exactly as he looked at the time on photographs and video. Same appearance, stature, movements. He wears exactly the clothes that he himself admitted to have worn on the bridge that very day. Of course the prosecuters won't ask the witnesses to identify the guy at the defense table as bridge guy. He looks nothing like that anymore today. If the timeline of the girls video is right, there is no other conclusion, no matter what the defense dreams up, because there is no time for another villain to appear. Girls film bridge guy, bridge guy forces them down into the creek... Bridge guy is Allen. It is really not complicated at all. Only thing confusing is that he wasn't recognized years earlier.

[@Monica-hv4rf]

Agreed. Alot of these comments, "nOtHiNg mAkEs SeNsE!" As if they've looked at all the evidence 🙄🤦‍♀️

[@skeletalwreck]

I think its Allen, but I am also confused why so many of the eye witness testimonies are so different to his description. Especially the one we keep hearing about him looking young with 'big poofy hair'. I think there is enough inconsistencies to deserve this lengthy and detailed trial.

[@NWI_Steel]

​@@skeletalwreckeyewitness testimony is historically unreliable

[@gibbo822]

​@@skeletalwreckbecause Allen had bog poofy hair at the time one was 50ft away and 3 minors were close enough to say hi but he was on a different trail ground could be higher or lower

[@gibbo822]

​@@NWI_Steelyes they try to add helpful information that tends to hinder the case

[@bellablu3777]

I haven't heard any compelling evidence against the accused as yet. Surely, they have something more substantial? 😕

[@mayorofbasedville7680]

Autopsy doctor? You mean pathologist? Did a 9-year-old intern write the video title?

[@kimmy722]

This is what happens when you stop hiring people based on merit.

[@NWI_Steel]

😂

[@redlady8296]

I was thinking along the same lines.

[@vanessamiller9202]

😂😂😂

[@1DreaJ]

Some people may not know what a pathologist is. Maybe they could’ve used medical examiner or coroner instead.

[@dianacairns843]

Thank you for your coverage of this case. So glad you got a good seat in order to report back.

[@elenoreatkins6714]

This is so vile I feel physically ill! God be with Abby and Libby’s families as they sit and relive this horror in the courtroom JUSTICE FOR LIBBY AND ABBY

[@Sherri-w7f]

Such incompetence. How do investigators not know technology for crying out loud ?

[@MegaTinni]

Sherri , what would the world be without you.

[@l.Marissa.l]

What do you mean by that? You DO realize technology far exceeded what it did when the crime occurred, right?

[@katerinakaye2228]

If you listened to the evidence given you would learn that companies such as Apple don’t inform investigators these technologies and data exist in their products. The only way they find out is they try to extract information and work their way backwards through the apps. Plus technology evolves quickly from year to year so what was available now would not of been 7 years ago

[@Laura-or8mo]

No DNA??? This was up close - nothing? Seems strange no trace, unless I missed something

[@am2023]

They might have been washed to clean everything?

[@B.cest-la-vie]

Some years ago, Tobe Leazenby, the sheriff at that time, he was interviewed and asked, Do you have DNA? He said yes. Is it the killers? We don't know. Do you have fingerprints? Yes. Are they the killers? We don't know....Now, if they were Richard Allen's wouldn't they say so?

[@Missfit.Lorie26]

Could have been why they said the girl were soaked when they found them.

[@krys10011]

Yeah it's kind of odd, but whether or not you think RA is guilty, doesn't mean the police didn't miss something. It does seem unlikely there was literally no dna, but if they were not SAd then no evidence there. If the perpetrator has v little body hair & is wearing layers of clothes maybe its possible?? Still strange though.

[@RichardAllenIdidIT]

RA kept all these phones except the phone he used during the time of this crime.

[@reha1066]

That's what I was thinking!! The only devise missing is the one he had at the time of the murder. How convenient.

[@gospelgrace]

I’ve followed this case from the start and I have to say I find it absolutely baffling. The jury have a tough job here.

[@river8760]

I feel horrible for these girls. 😢

[@Moonstone115]

Devastating 😢😢

[@photina78]

No defensive wounds? No evidence of sexual assault? Nothing makes sense.

[@samanthab1923]

Right? This is confusing

[@gibbo822]

It was also said it was unclear if libby was touched

[@Monica-hv4rf]

Of course it's confusing, because you only know .1% about the case. 😅​@@samanthab1923

[@CKing-388]

@@photina78 they said in court that one had marks on her face from what appeared to be possible tape or cloth over her mouth.

[@outdoorloser4340]

I have a theory that crossing the creek in February started giving bridge guy hypothermia so he just had to eliminate the witnesses and get back to his car.

[@GigglingHamster]

It’s no wonder they don’t want the trial televised. This is out of respect to these young girls and what they went through. I wouldn’t want my murdered daughter plastered all over the media so the world can diagnose every aspect of her death. I’m happy the judge ruled to keep it under wraps.

[@carriewittbrodt5072]

Even when a trail is televised, they DO NOT show graphic images to the Public. Please......

[@raider7829]

Great coverage from you all. Just stumbled across your channel. Will become a member . Libby and Abby Im so sickened about what's happened to you children. Little girls just out walking together. Talking, joking, laughing. Out of nowhere, literally nowhere, on that creepy old bridge there's creep from hell. How? Why? Could a monster be there at that time. His act was volatile and RAW EVIL. REST IN HEAVEN LIBBY AND ABBY GIRLS. YOU WILL NEVER EVER BE FORGOTTEN BY MANY OF US. SENDING LOVE, STRENGTH AND PEACE TO THEIR PARENTS AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO LOVED YOU❤❤ BEAUTIFUL❤❤❤ CHILDREN. ❤❤❤ 😢❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@lenahale1677]

this is sad God bless the family of the little girls ❤❤

[@SaintMartins]

The killer doesn't makes sense.... A) Stabbed both victims, yet he had a gun which would be less messy (but loud) B) unspent bullet found on the ground (jammed gun so used a knife) C) 1 victim found naked but no signs of sexual assault.(nor was the other assaulted) D) 1 victim naked the other dressed & covered with naked victims clothing E) shoes of 1 victim tossed & found in river (as seen in leaked photos of crime scene)

[@kimlarso]

Perhaps we should ask Cheryl, Chyenne & the underage girl/cousin (Abby-Libby’s age) and them (young girl/boy) arguing down under the bridge noted by FS guy who didn’t cross the bridge bc C & C were now standing where Abby & Libby once were?!!! No self defense wounds definitely means there was more than one to control both girls! Who could’ve easily gone unnoticed at the park that day? Other girls & guys……I’d like to know the link bt that father/son duo & C & C and their underage cousin…..A killer don’t come w 2 weapons…..RA is not the killer & the police cover up to make him the prime suspect I believe is linked to whoever is r/t C & C the girl and the boy heard arguing under the bridge by FS guy?!!!

[@katelynhernandez7998]

They think he redressed her post m, so I'm guessing he told them to both undress. He was most likely planning on AS ing both but got spooked before he could.

[@artfrommymind1096]

He got spooked and he said no OBVIOUS signs of sa

[@MegaTinni]

By the type of questions this jury asks, I fear they are a lost bunch. I hope Allen gets the punishment he deserves. He is guilty.

[@CPAndy-x5x]

Did the phone get wet when they crossed the creek, then lay beneath Abby until it dried out by 4am, suddenly receiving messages?

[@seanmullins7009]

That’s actually not a bad theory

[@bobbyswain7049]

weird things happen with phones and messages. My son sent me 3 messages on a Weds.....I didn't rec them until Sat. Crazy

[@brandonbarham7631]

I'm still surprised that the killer didn't take the phone and get rid of it

[@krys10011]

Definitely could be. My thought was maybe down that low (under the bridge) the signal was iffy, and it just picked up a slight signal at that time in the morning? I've definitely thought I had no signal, resigned to the fact I couldn't send or receive messages then at some random time my phone receives messages sent earlier. This may be completely wrong as I'm no scientist lol but I thought that may be due to clear, good weather can affect signal?? I may just have made that up though as a rationalisation lol.

[@StephanieBuckley78]

​@krys10011 I have wondered why that isn't the most logical conclusion.

[@rochrabbit3446]

If Richard Allen is Guily wouldn’t his wife or family members recognise his clothes?? I would know my husband and his clothes anywhere.

[@MakeupMobster]

Same. I don’t get this case at all.

[@reha1066]

They do recognize him! They know he did it, but they just continue to defend the monster!!!

[@Kristin2885]

Denial is a powerful thing. The fact that his wife stands by him even now, shows how devoted she must be as a wife. Maybe her mind didn't let her go there and then him saying he talked to police and was cleared put her mind at ease. But I agree - his close family should be familiar with that outfit that he probably wears all the time and his walk/look.

[@rachelldeal3964]

He admitted to wearing those same clothes the day he went to the bridge so why would it matter if his wife said anything about them?? He already said that’s what he was wearing!…..

[@yatesmsw]

Very well spoken lady in this video!

You should NOT given that jurors job title!!!!

[@nevershoutlindsay]

yeah why do they have all this info on the jurors? not good

[@charsiu_808]

It was a vague description of his job..i think it's fine.

[@b.valentine5283]

​@@charsiu_808 It's very easy to track down who he is. Anybody who works with him and know he's on leave now knows he's the juror.

[@judieahmed98]

The height discrepancy bothers me. They should know how tall bridge guy is.

[@Kristin2885]

I don't put much stock in witness testimony. They didn't know they should be paying close attention to anyone they passed that day. I can barely remember anything about the people I myself walked past today. Also, some of them are teen girls and possibly excited about inserting themselves into the case by giving info. Could also be that they are mixing up traits/characteristics of several people they passed on the trails that day and confusing things in their minds.

[@cindyshirreffs2099]

I have seen analysis measuring BG by using the bridge boards' sizes to measure. It should be fairly reliable, I think?

[@Jasmine-k9m2b]

RA could have been wearing lifts that day

[@Laura-tp8wz]

RIP Abby and Libby 🙏🌹

[@adamswayzee1219]

Stop interrupting this guy so much!

[@austin33785]

She's a narcacist

[@redpantsproject]

Is anyone else surprised that the investigators were unaware of the health app? The data IS there and has been for quite some time.

[@kimlarso]

Well, they found out in Kohlbergers case about the use of touch dna and sites like Ancestry & Me 123 using your donated dna to track criminals through familiar dna! That’s what all the Covid testing was about too except they collected on a global level….We underestimate the value of SNOWDEN when he told us our phones were tracking us decades ago

[@OliveGreen0516]

They dropped the ball in 2017. They should have been able to examine Richard Allens phone from that time.

[@msboncat1959]

My hope is that this trial causes the truth about what did happen to come out. So Abby & Libby can finally rest in peace..

[@MKConnecticut]

There WAS sexual assault! Two young girls were forced to undress or undressed by the murderer - that’s an assault

[@bloodtruck3554]

Battery not assault. Legal definitions matter here.

[@MKConnecticut]

@@bloodtruck3554 thank you

[@TheGameHHH2000]

Steps is so crazy, as even my phone is not correct all the time

[@Jasmine-k9m2b]

100%. Sometimes Steps won't record my steps at all, despite my phone being on and functioning

[@RachellHicks]

I can't believe people are allowed to walk on that giant bridge. 😮 Prayers to the families.

[@TheCreativeDork5]

5 to 10 minutes is a long time

[@daveshriner8103]

What else do you have to do?

[@daveshriner8103]

Retract that. Misread the comment. My apologies.

[@iwiall59]

You would lose blood flow to your brain well before your heart stopped. I think they would have passed out in seconds.

[@patricia317fritz]

27:28 I wouldn't stop to help a random man either.

[@ronbender7843]

No body said for her to stop but she could have called 911 and reported the vicinity and send a car out

[@deoneforpeace]

Keeping you all in our Prayers....Sweet Angels 🙏 💞 💖

[@Icygirl34]

I pray the family members have support during this time. I cannot imagine trying to make it through and reliving the horror, yet, again,; hearing and seeing everywhere. The jurors, the search party, LE, and everyone involved. This is a horrific act. God bless all involved.

[@BennyBunghole-tk7ts]

Evil has a name. Richard Allen.

[@elizabethannegrey6285]

Is any form of counselling offered to jurors, who would have to be made of steel not to be affected by this gruesome display of traumatised children.

[@KyleTMcN]

By the state? No.

[@user-wn1bv9or2g]

No that would make too much sense

[@bethknierim1336]

Great coverage.

[@susanlewis9351]

Their poor families

[@pelon8198]

Outing the juror.. wow. Very poor ethics.

[@pelon8198]

@@river8760 fixed! 😀

[@river8760]

@@pelon8198 😀👍

[@CarolTanori]

First off prayer for all the families on both girl's. Rip Angel's

[@PrimetimeKCL]

I think Libby's phone got wet crossing the creek, and then nothing happened on the phone until it dried out and then at 4:33am all of the texts came through. ** 📲

[@traceyg2703]

Exactly what I wondered also!

[@usakiwi1986]

So the phone downloads 15 texts at 4"33am and Powered Off 1 minute later at 4"34, which is in the 4 hour window that the search was called off: 2am until 6am....

[@SkeletorThaGod]

Good Lord the ladies would not let any of the guys talk constant interruption

[@JoJo-vz5uy]

Good report. Thank you!

[@Smashingblouse]

I’ve lost copious amounts of blood twice now. Both nearly resulting in death. The feeling is horrific. Not only can you feel yourself slipping away and tremendous pain, your body goes into survival mode initially and adrenaline kicks in so your heart rate increases and throws you into sheer panic like you’ve never felt before. Thoughts, memories and images race through your mind adding to that “my life flashed before my eyes” feeling. If you can talk you’re BEGGING anyone or anything to help you. It’s truly truly awful. Those poor fxxking girls man.

[@lillieeve6969]

How did you almost die from blood loss twice if you don’t mind?

[@Smashingblouse]

@@lillieeve6969 not at all. I had a non hormonal coil and it caused terrible period pains so I started taking Ibuprofen. I was quite young and busy at the time so would forget to eat and I had no idea how that medication eats into your stomach lining. I had a few months of tummy pain and then one day I thought I had the flu. Went to the bathroom and collapsed. When I pulled myself up to sit on the loo I expelled large amounts of jet black liquid. 20 seconds after that I threw up copious amounts of bright red fresh blood including huge clots. I can still see the pure white sink filling up with it. My bf at the time was there and called the ambulance. The guy that walked in first said “that looks like a fucking abattoir” so you can imagine the scene. The second time was scar tissue that had ulcerated next to the site of the original artery repair. It haemorrhaged three days after my 17th endoscopy so pretty much the same thing just in a different bathroom. Not fun.

[@Jasmine-k9m2b]

It happened to me too 😢 Life is never the same

[@dewilew2137]

I like this attorney, shes wonderful and she explained everything thoroughly and in a way that was easy to understand.

[@pamengland7863]

Please don’t identify Jurors. It’s certainly difficult enough. They all should have free counseling for the rest of their lives.😢

[@briancarlson592]

God Bless Abby and Libby. Rest In Peace Little Angels. Gods justice will be served. Love and Prayers for the familys of both girls.❤️🙏🕊🙏❤️

[@evanacey1414]

While Libby was certainly smart to listen to her spydie senses and capture the audio & video recordings of RA on the bridge just prior to their murder… I can’t help but wonder if Abby and Libby might both be alive today if Libby had walked right up to RA the instant she felt that something was off with her phone in her hand and say, “Hi, What’s your name, sir? Are you following me and my friend?? I’m live streaming on FB right now and everyone can see you!!” There’s just no way in hell he would have gone through with the murders had he known the entire world was watching in that moment.. It would have shut him down before it even started.. Of course, it’s easy for me to think of this with benefit of hindsight, but it’s not a bad strategy for ALL you ladies out there to think about if/when you find yourselves in a situation where some guy is giving you the creeps..

[@grap3eblood]

did they even have live streaming then

[@lunalovebad5867]

Love the legal expert. She explains things so clearly and interestingly.

[@SirJaymesDAudelée]

That’s just the unreliability of SMS. It happened to me sometimes. Either you text someone and they get it hours after the fact, or they text you and you do t get it right away. There’s I technical reason for it. I don’t know what it is but there is.

[@cindyshirreffs2099]

This happened to me just two weeks ago. Seems it could have happened in 2017 also

[@mikeg3577]

5:01 why are they giving identifying information of the juror? How many transportation supervisors could there be in that county

[@amdaring]

@@mikeg3577 while I agree with your first point, the jurors were pulled from Allen County which is one of the largest in the state so I’m sure there are lots.

[@IRLprankreactioncookingreview]

U got like countie transportation who drive equipment for the city and then city bus and if the city has a medical transport for elderly at nursing homes, and several other jobs like this I drive a school bus for the city transportation

[@Monica-hv4rf]

They've named the jurors, in full in other cases, broadcasted on tv. 😅 I swear this is the first case for alot of you.

[@amdaring]

@@Monica-hv4rf that’s an interesting assumption... but uh, anyway, I’ve been following this case and am from the area. I have not seen any names posted anywhere and figured it was related to why it’s not televised. care to share where you saw the list?

[@Monica-hv4rf]

@@amdaring i never saw the "list". I never mentioned a list. I mentioned they have named jurors with their first and last name, and the trials were broadcasted on LIVE TV, then reposted to youtube. Just because you've never heard it happen yourself personally, doesnt mean it isn't done.

[@MegaTinni]

The channel Hidden True Crime does a very good and detailed account of what happened and was said each day with updates mid day. Better account than these high level.

[@bethysbarn]

100%!! She’s amazing! Also Tom Webster is great, extensive notes, very balanced delivery like HTC ❤

[@janemay7181]

I can’t imagine what the families are going through while seeing these pictures and listening to what happened to them during the murders. 😢 This has got to be the hardest thing they have ever done. I hope the killer is in prison for the rest of his life, in solitary confinement.

[@carmenleilarodriguez9363]

Good job 👏🏼 a lot of information.

[@garnetandgold07]

Great reporting. Thank you for the info and hard work!

[@mabellatfishingblues5381]

Praying truthfully

[@Sealust50]

Didn't realize that there was a possible way of praying untruthfully

[@janetfilger8326]

Excellent JOURNALISTS with detailed coverage and command of English language with great manners. ❤Triple A+A+A + ❤ ❤

[@ajwilliams3872]

God, if she would just shut up and stop interrupting hin and let hin speak....

[@austin33785]

She's a women. What you don't understand about this is this is all about her and her revelations.

[@monamedley6666]

EXACTLY 💯

[@CARRIEPHILLIPS1122]

😂 1000000%!!!!

[@Aangel452]

Good info and reporting here on the current court proceedings

[@mcdingler]

Emily please stop interrupting so much

[@Jfy1983]

Just thinking the same thing

[@firenze5555]

Those poor little girls - you would think at 14 and 13 years old that it would be okay for them to go out on a walk near a forest on an old bridge. Always evil around! Terrible! I truly hope that they have the right man because those girls deserve justice!

[@grap3eblood]

I used to walk around in the woods behind our apartment complex totally alone or with my bff all the time at 13, 14 years old. I’d never let my daughter do the same nowadays

[@mjbeezer]

Seems like BG got to the girls quickly 😢. According to Libbys cell phone info.

[@lc285]

The jury should have asked questions regarding the autopsies. Two comes to mind. 1. Food contents in stomach and stage of digestion. 2. Tox screen results. The time of death is important and it seems that information isn't important or relevant. Also, it was stated the fingernail clippings weren't collected on one of the girls' hands because of nail biting. They shoukd have been swabbed for dna regardless?

[@kimlarso]

Yep👉terrible handling of this case

[@melky3011]

i wish they would stop interrupting each other 😒

[@Carol-c9u]

Well, bridge guy is the defendant. And Richard Allen himself said he was on the bridge. He’s a great witness putting himself on the bridge. Someone killed them and he put himself there. And they are dead.

[@suesieqd5959]

Such a tragedy 😢