Are Used Electric Cars Much Worse Than New Ones? [Episode 3] | 4K

[@AutoTraderTV]

Hi guys, Thanks for turning in to the series. This episode was originally planned to be a head to head between this Model S and a high-mileage petrol car. However were unable to source a suitable ICE vehicle with anywhere close to 400,000 miles on the clock in time for the shoot. A comparison with a new Model S might have been a valid approach, as some of you have suggested, but once again were unable to source one in the time we had available. A replacement test, involving a dyno, had to be aborted at the last minute for technical reasons. We did, however, have a Jaguar iPace available to us, so we thought it would be an interesting test to see if a new high-end electric car you can buy from a dealership today compares to one that has done almost a million miles. This might be especially useful to people believe the argument that it’s not worth buying a current EV now because the ones that are released much later will be significantly better. We think you'll agree the gap between the cars is pretty close. We shot this video on the same day we performed a full health check on the car, so do check back soon for that episode, in which we reveal the true state of the battery. -Rory

[@jinx20001]

i think the video was a valid comparison considering this was not a face off between the cars themselves, it was a face off between the cars and their manufacturers claims to determine how age plays a factor. I think most people are missing that point. They see two different cars and think the video is Ipace VS tesla when the reality is its new EV vs manufacturers claims and old EV vs manufacturers claims and the result is a valid one, the new car matches or exceeds the claims made by its manufacturer and you demonstrated the losses one might face compared to manufacturers claims with age and mileage. Comparing a new Tesla vs an old Tesla would have been an identical result when it comes to what you are trying to demonstrate. With that said... the handling segment of the video was completely pointless and didnt demonstrate anything, the only way that would work would be new Tesla vs old Tesla to see how fresh hardware underneath compares to old, cant be done with two different cars so that should have stayed on the sidelines and bringing no value. The next question that should be asked and answered is, can you service an Old EV and recover performance like you can an old ICE car... we know that will involve some cost but it would be very interesting to know if an old EV can be serviced back to a new (ish) condition. (for example, are the motors serviceable? we know the battery probably isn't).

[@davidparker2642]

Hi Rory, loved this part "However were unable to source a suitable ICE vehicle with anywhere close to 400,000 miles"

[@-PORK-CHOP-]

Rory, if you were unable to source the vehicles for the test as originally planned then put the story back a week or a few weeks, and move onto the next story, publishing content because you have to publish X number of videos in any given time is just publishing content for the sake of content, the content lacks quality and it shows in this video, this is how channels start to go down because they just start to publish anything to get clicks.

[@vigneshn.y3048]

Thoroughly enjoyed it!

[@ObiePaddles]

Given there are no new RHD Tesla model S then this is fair enough for ‘normal’ people.

[@peteramey9385]

Surely you need to test an old tesla model S with a new or almost newish Model S to have an objective comparison on age and mileage performance??

[@rogerphelps9939]

You mean objective.

[@ScrotieHongKong]

Why? the new Tesla models have different battery capacity so it’s like apples and lemons

[@Rui725]

Objectively speaking should have compared to a lower mileage, same year Tesla model s. How autotrader missed this comparison is beyond me.

[@yanis_s500]

@@Rui725 Yeah, this is quite stupid to compare Tesla vs Jaguar. Like why??????

[@Jem07drie]

@@ScrotieHongKong But there probably are Model S's from the same production with less mileage, I think that is what the top comment meant with almost newish.

[@Alasdair-hy9jv]

At 8:19 you have an on screen warning "Battery fuse requires replacement soon OK to drive - Schedule service" according to Tesla that means that "Your vehicle is OK to drive in the meantime. However, you may notice reduced speed and acceleration while driving."

[@insanityideas]

They are supposed to be testing the Tesla as they find it, fault codes and all... but they should say so in the video. That would explain why it was so slow, no way an iPace beats a 90d under normal circumstances. 80% charge might have taken the edge off a bit, but not unreasonable as long as the iPace was also at 80%.

[@Nicholas-f5]

​@@Alasdair-hy9jv pyrofuse is a common and expensive fix if it's on top of the battery, especially

[@TraderJono]

Good point! That’s. £350 fix I had mine done in April. Surely that has to be fixed first before doing any tests on it. The owner will be aware he just wants to get as much out of it before replacing it as there will be another warning next that basically says get it done asap

[@insanityideas]

@@TraderJono the owner does seem good at getting the most out of the cars for spending the least money. However auto trader are ragging it around a bit and might have finally triggered the warning. Let's see if their trained mechanic picks up on this (he looked at the car before these tests so we have an out of sequence videos problem).. It's owner is going to want the car back in one piece, Free supercharging is worth a fortune to him. These free supercharging cars are going to be around forever, which I think is what Tesla wanted, a long term customer testing batch of cars to see what high milage high supercharging does as a vehicle ages to check their accelerated factory testing results.

[@TraderJono]

@@insanityideas lots of good points mate. I hope Tesla did genuinely plan for that. If not then it will be tested anyway. People love free stuff!! I too wish I had free supercharging lol

[@jeffreyt02]

400k miles is NUTS! Any car that passen 400k miles is a winner in my book

[@novakillbones2140]

Taxis regularly do those kinds of miles, it only shows that most people have no idea how robust the engineering in their cars really is.

[@enrobsorussell]

@@novakillbones2140 Correct. Was a taxi driver for 4 years....Skoda Octavia 130bhp TDI @ 50k miles per annum. When I quit, the taxi company that owned the above car, rented by me, then rented it out to another cabbie with over 200k miles on the clock....seen said car recently, with over 450k miles, now privately owned and still going strong... The diffs between that and the Tesla....obviously....only 50% of the new purchase price...oh and, only 30 mins lost filling up 6 times a month....

[@dimdim3490]

Now the testers should compare if the Jaguar can do this kind f miles and still be operational :) Good luck with that :)

[@TrollStationYT]

You guys really put out some amazing content but comparing an old model S to a new model S would have been much more effective happy to let you use mine if that helps 💪🏼

[@TrollStationshorts]

@@TrollStationYT I agree 😂

[@ashleysantics4769]

Omg What you guys doing here I thought this comment was going to be you lot trolling but it’s so true lmfao 🤣

[@BigCarKilla]

Irrelevant in non-LHD markets that you cant buy a new model S in. But the Jag is available almost everywhere.

[@pdiddie222]

Why use a jag and not another Model S? Pointless test.

[@stulop]

New model S is scarce in the UK as they are not made in right hand drive.

[@joeb4294]

@@stulop I expect that Autotrader could find one.

[@stulop]

@youtube2kwatcher They must love the car as there are no S and X post COVID being made in right hand drive.

[@brandonl8039]

@@pdiddie222 since they literally don’t make a comparable S at all anywhere in the world currently it’s pretty hard to compare it to a new S.

[@q3znw6j88aywnwy]

It's 2024, you don't need to put 4k in the title

[@eken8131]

Fr😭

[@drunkenhobo8020]

Yeah, everyone's realised that 4k is a bit pointless and have just gone back to 1080p.

[@itsyaboishiba]

@@drunkenhobo8020 pointless? hell no bro, i wont watch a 1080p video. 1440p and especially 4k has a lot more detail.

[@steveo1574]

lol these guys are living in 2012 bruh lol

[@thedewberry_6399]

@@drunkenhobo8020 bro is still living in 2010 lmao

[@setti7i]

It takes so long for one of these videos to come out that you're reminded that this series actually exists every time

[@garrycroft4215]

Testing apples to oranges. Pointless 😂

[@rogerphelps9939]

Not totally. They are both high end electric cars.

[@tesla_models]

Both are not for reliability

[@4viator]

Very similar battery and claimed performance

[@TwinPotMan]

I agree entirely

[@CanisoGaming]

Testing a taxi Tesla car against a totally new & bad EV, Tesla still did quite good 😂, can't wait to see Tesla S 90 vs Tesla plaid or something

[@jamesengland7461]

Rory, this was a great comparison. Shows that this very early Tesla still holds its own, is quick, fun to drive, and still gets the job done. Well worth keeping in the drive.

[@raypeeler3585]

Love it! I got a Lightning about 8 months ago, and I sure hope I get 400,000 miles out of it. 128 kWh battery and 528 hp with duel motors. It's a beast, weighing in at almost 7,000 lbs. Fully loaded Lariat, one step down from Platinum for $65,000 USD after I got my tax credit. I'm loving my 1st EV and I'm so glad it's a full-size truck

[@martinluescher5009]

I'm very jealous!! Enjoy your lightning mate!!

[@raypeeler3585]

@@martinluescher5009 It's been almost a year ago and I am still loving it. I understand it's not for everyone, but it really works out for me. Public charging is $0.48/kWh making a bit more expensive then gas, per mile. I can charge at home for $.17/kWh which is about 40% cheaper then gas, but I'm able to charge at work for free. I've heard it looses some range when you have a heavy load, but I just use it as a family car and ride to work. It's been nice not getting oil changes and not having to stop at a gas station.

[@stevenmales]

after 8 years and 430 k miles ,the jag won't even be on the road

[@BeastPlaysMobile]

@jgtemperton exactly well said

[@paulhayes2189]

A statement based on zero evidence on Jaguars ev's

[@pete6705]

The fact that it’s still running at all after 430,000 miles is impressive to me.

[@JamesM-hb2cj]

You didn’t have the Jag in dynamic mode during the slalom! I can tell because the gauges weren’t red. With an adaptive air suspension, this would have made a huge difference!

[@Nicholas-f5]

They're not pros

[@filippxx]

@@JamesM-hb2cj well the Tesla was a worn out high mileage car, don't need to over do it. I belive a new Dacia Sandero does better than a 200K miles car.

[@OlavAlexanderMjelde]

​@filippxx this tesla had 430.000 miles.

[@CreatedTech]

I loved the previous videos in this series and am keen to see the rest of them. But this one just felt really... off. Like, what's the point in comparing an 8 year old Tesla's ACCELERATION of all things to a brand new EV from a completely different brand? No one really cares about the acceleration of the 90D anyway, or they would have bought a P90D or a Plaid. And why even compare handling and charging speed? Literally makes no sense, they are completely different vehicles and one is 8 years older. And not only that but the Jaguar likely has

[@jamesengland7461]

The two are well- matched by specs though

[@CreatedTech]

@@jamesengland7461 And an apple is well-matched to an orange as they are both fruits. Still a weird choice of topic for a video IMO.

[@jinx20001]

Like for like comparison ofcourse makes more sense, but it does not make the video invalid, the handling test was completely out of place because they are completely different cars so that made zero sense, they cant determine if the age has played a factor here so that was the pointless part. However the specs of the vehicles and their technology is very similar, similar enough its a valid way to demonstrate how age can affect the car. Both are 400v architectures, both offer very similar charge speeds but the tesla actually claims higher charge speed so it demonstrates even more so what age can do and then they tested the cars not against each other but against their manufacturers claims to see how age can have an effect on that. So the Ipace being faster was not the point of the comparison, the idea was to demonstrate a new EV matches the manufacturers claim as you would expect while massive mileage and time does perhaps erode the manufacturers claim somewhat. With that information we can determine if that is on par with ICE cars or if its better or worse. The next test they should do is servicing the motors like they would an ICE car to see if the performance can be regained like it can with ICE vehicles, not sure they will swallow that cost though to demonstrate if it can be done, but that would be valuable information to know.

[@itsyaboishiba]

look at the pinned comment, that would answer everything youre asking.

[@CreatedTech]

@@itsyaboishiba That pinned comment wasn't there when they received all the criticism...

[@amyroberts8340]

My daily drive is a 2014 Model S P85 and is on 116,400 miles no problems in doing 210 miles on 90% charge, yeah not got the range of modern EVs but when do you do that on a daily run?. Also can still put in a good shift at a track day. Plus I have a sunroof, unlike many modern EVs!!!

[@JosephHowes2003]

How have the battery and motors held up? I keep reading that the early S's aren't good in that regard. I have a 2020 Model 3 Performance.

[@lachlanB323]

@@JosephHowes2003 They literally said it. 90% which is a little more then you would expect as that is what you would expect at 200k miles but it is the older version.

[@amyroberts8340]

@@lachlanB323 Unfortunately, no, the 90% is State of Charge not degradation of battery. This is the daily recommended limit of charge you should apply to the battery chemistry, so you don't have the battery sat resting where the most damage might be done to it (over 90% or under 10%).

[@JosephHowes2003]

@@lachlanB323 I saw that. They might have replaced the battery or the motors though. I assumed the battery was fine since that was the implication but I lumped it in with the motors anyway.

[@amyroberts8340]

@@JosephHowes2003 Battery has degraded approx 8% of full charge range when last did an entire drain. Please note that charging has been using superchargers for most of its life and exclusively for the last 35k miles, as live within 2 miles of one. I have just had engine reduction oil changed from Cleevely EV mobile service, The car has original motor and HV battery. A few years ago the HV fuses got wet and needed them removed and dried (3 day repair), with the originals being put back in. On original brake pads (incl 2 track days), although will be changed over next year or so. Have also upgraded charging and MCU2

[@ricco123tube]

I'd like to add that I've only ever had charging issues twice, once with a genie point and once with Mer. I now avoid them. Yes, Appplegreen has never let us down.

[@JAG2024-j4j]

I've got a Fastned near me hypercharger 300KW always up and reliable and I get it for 48p per KWh as I've subscribed to their gold service.

[@twistedbarbell3950]

Having just purchased my first EV (Cadillac LYRIQ) 2 months ago, I am really enjoying this series looking at real world lifespan & performance of EVs! In a way, I’m not surprised the Tesla is doing as well as it is considering they led the way in EV mfr. Yes, I know there were a few attempts by others previously. Also, I agree with the comments on the Applegreen charger being really straightforward, as I recently charged my EV during a quick rest stop in NY and gained a quick 35% in less than 15 minutes there. No fuss at all - it just worked with a simple tap of my CC.

[@jinx20001]

The most impressive part of this is not only the fact the tesla has that mileage and still performs just fine but the fact its on a 400v platform and many manufacturers are shifting to 800v platforms (hyundai ioniq 5/6, porsche taycan, kia EV6/9, tesla cybertruck, audi e-tron etc) this allows for much faster charging, they also have the ability to capture more energy from regen braking, they generate less heat and are generally more efficient and they can be built using thinner cabling thanks to requiring less current going through the cables leading to lighter cars in comparison to 400v and they also are able to deliver higher peak power... if this is what old first gen electric cars are capable of, it bodes well for the future when advancements are being made all the time. I believe Rimac actually created 800v EV tech and passed it on to hyundai/kia and porsche and then it was passed on to Audi. Then lucid created the 900v platform and oh boy if the lucid air sapphire is anything to go by, ill take 900v please.

[@colingoldthorpe5918]

When people say whats the battery cost to replace, you need to be realistic. How much does a new engine cost to replace. And from what it seems, you would have replaced 2-3 engines before the battery pack needs fully replacing. The key is the shape of the bodywork on these cars at that mileage. Aluminum structure is the way to go so rust does not take over your car !!!

[@ricco123tube]

About half the cost compared to 2 years ago. Like most things in life, as supply meets demand and infrastructure catches up, costs come down.

[@misterdragzon]

2-3 engines?? What cars have you been driving

[@colingoldthorpe5918]

@@misterdragzon Ford 🤣🤣🤣🤣 2.7 ECO boost in an F150

[@usernametaken6566]

Here's the news.. ICE's loose power too

[@DSCMBOBULTD]

That's not news.

[@ATomRileyA]

EV batteries will be dead in 10years and you will have to throw it away, you can recycle about 40% of it and then your looking at $20k to replace it and they are terrible for the environment those poor kids are mining the materials to make it which is just evil. Not to mention that there is only so much affordable lithium which is used in all batteries not just EV's unless there is some kind of miracle battery tech its not really very sustainable. Its mostly a scam so people can virtue signal while doing more damage to the environment and supporting child slavery.

[@googlewolly]

lose* And they actually don't. That's a myth.

[@Johnjoe3519]

Only if you don't change the oil and filters often enough, or if you use bad fuel all the time.

[@SteveGamesplayer]

Yep they use more fuel and more oil and get slower too, mines 18 years old!!!

[@JamesM-hb2cj]

The Jag is the most underrated EV on the market, it is fantastic to drive! It’s behind on charging speed and tech, but the driving experience more than makes up for it.

[@Vansafe0]

This just tells me the Tesla competitors are only about 7 years behind, not counting software.

[@JamesM-hb2cj]

That Jag is better than anything Tesla has ever made. Yes it loses on self-driving tech but it has a nice interior and it drives well - that’s been the formula for luxury performance cars forever. If Tesla could integrate that into their cars would be the best of both worlds but so far they haven’t

[@johna4387]

@@JamesM-hb2cjThe video shows that the Tesla handles better and is more fun at handling than the Jag

[@JamesM-hb2cj]

@@johna4387 the Jag has adaptive air suspension and was not in Dynamic mode (you can tell because the gauges weren’t red). Of course the taller car won’t handle as well when suspension is in soft mode. Put it in dynamic and it’s a different story

[@publicsectordirect982]

Tesla is in another league, bias aside

[@JamesM-hb2cj]

@@publicsectordirect982 in some ways, yes - charging network, self driving tech, efficiency. They are definitely NOT in another league when it comes to interior, driving experience, build quality, etc. I guess the easiest way to say it is - Tesla is better at EVs as something futuristic, the Jag wins if you want a luxury performance car that just happens to be electric.

[@markprice4983]

I've found these videos very interesting and helpful having just purchased a 2014 Tesla Model S with 170,000 miles. The scare mongering of an older EV has proved exactly that! It's my first ever full EV and I can say I don't regret it.

[@SjPedro]

8:36 about charging the tesla and the jaguar: From my experience back when I worked QA for a EV charging station company, we realized that the Jaguar's charge curve is much more aggressive than any Tesla maxing out. Another detracting factor for the Tesla is the fact that regardless if it has a heat pump or not, the car will still pre-condition the battery to receive the most charge but usually this only happens on Tesla Superchargers. I can't provide any evidence of any of this unfortunately so my word is basically "trust me bro" and my own experience during our tests

[@infernoking7504]

Depends on the type of electric motor it may lose some power to bearing wear but if maintained I dont see it losing any.

[@SDK2006b]

Old EV's work fine, including the batteries and motor's ⚡👍 Don't believe the anti-EV clickbait FUD or the Boomers 🤣 Interesting choice on the iPace - evolution🤔 Apart from some small cosmetic changes, it's the same car launched in mid 2018

[@misterdragzon]

Interesting choice to believe electronics from the 2010s are infallible

[@therealchayd]

​@@misterdragzon And the point of your comment is......?

[@nextechsolutions5955]

The fact that you needed to compare a new Jaguar to an eight year old used Tesla tells the whole story. Keep up the good work Tesla.

[@antoineparmentier3319]

How to make boring yet very useful consumer testing fun and exciting. Rory, you're the best!

[@davewatts7444]

I am confident that my next and last car (I'm 75) will be electric. My head says get a Nero, it will have more warranty than I have got😂 but the Jaguar just makes this old petrol heads smile with contentment 😊 there are I paces for sale for £ 18,000 on autotrader so August it's a Jaguar for me

[@keithhoughton4308]

I hired a model 3 and was amazed at how easy it is to live with. Then I tried the Jag and had trouble charging it. This was a few years ago, so why am I tempted by a 3 year old IPace at £20,000? Because it has the character the Tesla lacks. It's not as efficient as recent ev's but it will be far cheaper to run than my XK8.

[@fboomerang]

In 2014 the Performance Model S was the fastest safest car in the world, even ten years later it's in a class by itself. Here in the US Used Model S often come with free lifetime supercharging. So 0-60 is between 2.6 to 2.9s depending upon the model. Hard to compete with something that was such a revolution. Hope to keep mine for 400k! ++

[@trevorberridge6079]

Amazing that some people still think EVs die after four years. Why do they think warrantees are usually eight years? Do they expect the manufacturers to replace parts for free in perpetuity? This test shows (as all fair tests do) that EVs will last you for a very long time and still be totally viable. On the point of re-charging speeds I should point out that different batteries and battery management systems will play a part in that too. Also the chargepoint's software will play a part in how the charger reacts to different cars. I know from personal experience that I can get very different top charging rates from different chargers that are meant to provide the same speed. I also get different levels of tailing off when the battery approaches 80%.

[@rogergeyer9851]

It's the anti-EV noise machine. It's MEANINGLESS, re the ridiculous claims they make about MANY political and anti-science things. But they persist, despite having no credibility. Apparently the MAGA crowd likes that.

[@danwat1234]

I have a 2013 Chevy Volt with 350K miles on the odometer. It spend 1 summer driving with no AC to chill the battery, which adds to the degradation. It still performs well as long as I keep the battery at about 50% charge or higher.

[@_que]

The only time a Jag was victorious when compared to a ~10 year car... appreciate the comparison, thank you.

[@AlexanderTolmar]

Performance is still good but efficiency/range and charging speed is subpar. I own one and love it but cross continental journeys are pain in the back side.

[@aaronbounds1336]

8:29 - exactly how it should be with new bs old: old works just fine, but not as good as 400K miles ago. Pretty good considering the massive difference in maintenance costs to keep an IVEr on the road for that long. Works completely fine for daily use.

[@CR71243]

This coverage is awesome - thank you!

[@suspiciousafternoon]

had been waiting for a new episode for this 🔥🔥

[@devildog832916]

I'm glad to see more EV content. Thx

[@MegaUndertaker3]

AutoTrader has made it their mission to persuade us to get electric cars :D that says a lot

[@AlanTov]

Just countering the ridiculous misinformation....

[@legostud]

Um, a new Jaguar? Are you kidding me picking the iPace. That’s an ancient design.

[@Viktor2188]

Thought the same thing. That is technologically the oldest "modern" EV in existence!

[@GavinScrimgeour]

I believe the battery chemistry is NMC.

[@djtaylorutube]

Totally agree, they should have chosen an old Model S and a new Model S and an old iPace and a new iPace. Both are available. This test was utter bollocks.

[@Stiggy767]

Comparing it to a modern Hyundai/Kia would have been more sensible.

[@Dark_Vader888]

I love Rori and know they like Teslas so this comparo was fun but not really an apple to apples comparision. Still the Model S with nearly 700,00 kms is impressive. Still looks better than any ugly new beaver grilled BMW.

[@shou635]

I have a 2017 model s 90D with 118k miles. It still performs like new even though range has dropped about 10%.

[@billycan8852]

I will take the Tesla thanks ❤

[@OlavAlexanderMjelde]

The pre refresh model 3 performance is my recommended bargain fun EV at the moment. Had one from 2019-2023, but got YP 2023, however now back in 2024 3P highland. Also had an X in 2017-2018. For budget fun I would recommend the pre refresh 3P. Maybe get some light wheels and fresh ps4s tires if tires are worn. Should be said I really enjoy the highland 3P, very refined, little noise, even better stereo, sports seats with cooling. But if you want cheap fun, go pre refresh and turn up the stereo to mask road noise :-)

[@robertpawley5715]

Thank you for exposing all the misinformation on EVs

[@jobbybaps]

I had one of those Jags for work it was only 3 years old and one of the cells died and had to be replaced it took months to get repaired.

[@barneyrubble9309]

Well interestingly you can't check the MOT history of that Tesla so as far as I'm concerned it could well be a "triggers broom" of a car. if we are generous and assume this does 350miles on a charge then you will have charge it 3686 times and assume 3hrs per charge, they spent 6 months sat at a charger a petrol would be 30days !!

[@therealchayd]

But most charging is done at home, during off-peak hours, takes less than 30 secs to plug in. Compare that to arriving at a petrol station, waiting in line for a free pump, standing at the fuel pump for a few mins while filling up, then having to wait in line to pay for the fuel, that excludes having to drive a few minutes out of your way to go to the petrol station in the first place.

[@usefulrandom1855]

@@therealchayd Exactly for the average driver they spend no time waiting. Ive took my 2020 Model 3 LR to a supercharger just to try it, I get 250kw for a short while then it tapers down. 20-80% charge is about 20 mins.

[@mcunha81]

Model S has chargegate,not sure if it applies to Superchargers only or there was a setting update,to prevent something that Tesla never told us. All I know is I had a 2014 model s p85,and charging went from around 120kw, to around 90 to 100kw..even after the battery was replaced with a 90 pack

[@HoopsKevinski.]

The Jag has air suspension with power lowering... Looks like he ran the slalom with it raised up.

[@nmeister67]

A valid comparison IMO as I remember a few years ago, there seemed to be a general consensus that Tesla were up to ten years ahead of the competition (in terms of the EV tech). I wonder how the efficiency figures would stack up on a long run between these two?

[@markshirley7639]

Almost bought an ipace but imo bought the much better model Y long range Tesla! Best car I've owned 👌

[@blobstrom]

Wouldn't it have been better to compare the same year Model s but with a lot less mileage. That's way the battery and motor degradation could be compared. Handling not as much as parts would have been changed

[@akj2387]

How is this even a fair test. Should've compared an older Model S to a newer one with less miles done.

[@CollegeVybz]

U should test the tesla on the super charger

[@MrGMawson2438]

Cheers Rory and team

[@markdance574]

I’d suggest it’s not the higher end vehicles that are the concern it’s the cheaper low end Nissan Vauxhall etc that I wouldn’t trust pre owned just because those vehicles are starting off with much cheaper tech. What would be great to see is 3 key models each with say a 1 yr old version and a 4 yr old version , across cars like Tesla , Porsche , Audi , Vauxhall , Nissan , MG

[@ScrotieHongKong]

Great vid guys 👍 . So some rubbish on line regarding EV’s

[@deaks25]

I'm curious about the charging rate. Is this something EVs do as they age? If I had to guess, it's the cars electronics preserving the battery by limiting how hard it slams in charge. Presumably the slight performance loss is again due to the car's brain trying to look after its battery. It's genuinely interesting to see the market learning how EVs age outside of the usual bushes, bearings and brakes that any car has to deal with.

[@vladimiralexandrov5930]

Tesla has a fault indicated. “Battery fuse requires replacement”. How about you fix the car first and maybe re-do the tests?

[@therealchayd]

It's not a performance-affecting issue, it's just he backup battery in the pyro (emergency HV disconnect) fuse is running low, so needs to be replaced. More of a safety issue than anything.

[@Craigo5000]

Loads of iPace are being recalled in the UK. Theyre in the media due to having issues and my mates is back in the garage because it has electric faults which will take over a month to repair.

[@davebarton9301]

Spot on regarding F1

[@grabir01]

Why did you not post the charge time?

[@ElMistroFeroz]

Or the expected range at 100%. I think this is just meant to be easy to consume for the average non EV owner, because to be fair, they're the most confused out there because of FUD.

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

Didn't he charge them both for 20 minutes?

[@grabir01]

@@rtfazeberdee3519 good question.

[@Jaw0lf]

Newer Teslas are better than older Teslas, newer technologies as time advances. This includes charging rates and charge curves. All of your tests should have the newer one winning, so no surprise. The amazing part is the fact that a 430,000 mile 8 year old electric car is still performing, no doubt as it was or very close.

[@PraiseYAyoupeople]

problem with older used EVs is that you don't know if battery will last another 100k miles or its going to fail tomorrow. Once it does replacing the battery is expensive. It would be nice for car manufacturers to extend warranty to at least 200k miles.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Which is probably why those in the know might have the battery pack tested via the car's diagnostic socket, using an OBD. This can provide a readout or print-out of the battery's state of health in percentage terms. It seems you were not aware of this..... And why might you "replace" the battery, when a battery pack refurbishment costs a fraction of replacing it? If your engine is worn, you replace the worn parts, right? You do the same with an older EV battery....

[@cokyrobes]

2 important points: 1. The way in which that Model S has been used is not 'normal' for an EV - the number of supercharging cycles will be very high which is why the charging speeds have reduced so much 2. The Model S is more efficient than the iPace so the slower charging is less of an impact as each kwh of energy gets you further etc.

[@dave55s]

Apples for apples ( New vs old Tesla) would have been more scientific/ interesting to view

[@maxtorque2277]

Can be be clear, a "worn motor bearing" cannot cause a measurable reduction in performance! A typical rotor bearing has a loss measured in single figure watts ie, say 2.5w. A worn one, either has no measurable effect on the vehicles performance (doubling the loss to say 5w in a car with 300000 watts is of course, irrelevant) or if it is really worn, it will overheat a seize. The ACTUAL reason an old EV has a slightly lower maximum performance than when new is because the batteries internal resistance has increased, so when you pull full current, the pack voltage sags by a larger amount, and power is directly proportional to pack voltage. As pack current is proportional to motor power and not motor torque, this has a larger effect at high vehicle speeds. A double whammy occurs as a result of the saggin voltage decreasing the CPSR threshold, requiring a greater proprtion of field weakening which also reduces effective power output of the motor

[@stevenbarrett7648]

very good, a range test would be useful as well

[@johnjackson2349]

From another angle, the tesla should of won all 3 of these tests, instead those miles have really taken its toll especially on the performance as expected

[@TB-up4xi]

I wonder what the warning light in the heads-up display was, some are commenting it says HV fuse needs replacement - reduced power.

[@jghall00]

Love our I-Pace, but Jaguar hasn't really updated the vehicle. It should though. Apart from charging speed and range, its still competitive.

[@worlds_okayest_crossfitter]

If you're unable to find a comparable ICE car (no surprise there) to compare and didn't think that pitting it against an ICE car of comparable value was a worthy comparison... why not compare it to it's brand new counterpart? You can pick one up for not much more than the Jag in this video and the new #'s are incredible. Shows you how far they've come in 8 years; 0-60 in 3.1 seconds, 1/4 mile in 10.87sec, over 400 miles of range and smooth, quiet and comfortable. That fact that you can get one for less than $75k USD (much less with all of the tax incentives here in the states) is mind numbing. Also, that's the "slow" Model S that Tesla makes. The faster variant (Plaid) will do 0-60 in 1.99 seconds, 1/4 mile in 9.23sec, top speed of 200+ mph and gets nearly 400 miles of range with the proper wheels for under $90k USD. The fact that we're starting to see that they're also capable of such high mileage with ZERO maintenance is astounding. Unless you haul a horse trailer daily you really should be driving an EV because they're better in every way. Source: We believed the anti-EV hype until about 7 years ago before doing our own research. I felt like an idiot once I drove one and we've been an all-Tesla family since then. Only regret is not ditching ICE sooner.

[@mar25807]

And now compare it with a +500 000km ipace, that would have been apples to apples or a 8 year old one.

[@manup1931]

New CATL Battery for commercial vehicles has a 1 million miles guaranty.

[@ATomRileyA]

Its not the mileage that is the problem, its the fact that all lithium batteries age even if just sitting on a shelf, most cheap ones last about 4 years with some of the better ones lasting 10years. Just look at your old phones and how quickly they are trash when the battery is dead. Also with the limited amount of easily mined lithium the prices will only go up.

[@rogerphelps9939]

@@ATomRileyA Wrong. Phone batteries are charged to 100% and completely discharged so that the manufacturer can claim the longest running time on a charge.The lifespan of a typical mobile phone is only a few years before the owner ditches it for something new so it does not matter. EV s protect their batteries from abuse and cosset them. Therefore they will last much longer. Regarding lithium, it will be recycled; there is a Tesla battery recycling facility right next to one of is car plants. Regarding the availability of lithium ir is one of he commonest constituents of he Earth's crust. At present it is very cheap . Reserves have not been fully explored. We are in no danger of running out of lithium.

[@ricco123tube]

​@@ATomRileyAcomparing a phone battery to an EV battery is a sure sign that someone has no clue about battery chemistry and management systems.

[@lachlanB323]

@@ATomRileyA An ev isn't a phone. That's a dumb comp. Not only is the battery chemistry different (Phones use a VERY high cobalt amount) but the way they're used is very different. With a phone you often charge it to 100% everyday until it dies so that is 100% to 0% everyday 365 days a year. With an ev you lose like... 10? 15? Maybe 20% if you drive a lot daily. You keep it at 80%, its thermal system is very well managed when charging unlike phones which have very little control often degrading the battery. On the shelf for 4 years? Who does this? You would seriously leave your car idle for 4 years? Imagine doing that with your petrol car lol.

[@lachlanB323]

@@ATomRileyA Fun fact: Gasoline if left for 3-6 months will acquire to much water to combust. Among many other issues. You should use your car weekly!

[@DryUrEyesMate]

The earlier Tesla models used 18 650 batteries which retail round about a pound each. Much cheaper and easier to repair compare to the competitors.

[@AlanTov]

You don't need to repair batteries.

[@georgemathieson6097]

What's that tune in the conclusion??? it's insane!! 🫶🏼🫶🏼

[@sudiptodas0001]

The fact that a tesla still runs well after 400K miles is impressive itself

[@techaddict4350]

Because taking a new model s with the same specs and 0 Miles made no sense at all I guess…

[@001sander2]

I think fast charging is reduced sometimes to prevent damage

[@conner.9262]

Great car journalism….. very interesting ….👍

[@antonycharnock2993]

Hang on. What were the Tesla's original figures to compare!?

[@zoemayne]

Regarding the top speed test. We know its not cpmparong apples to apples but the 90D probably had touring R rated tires on. It doesn't make sense to have V rated racing tires on a limo. Especially considering he has to buy at least 2 sets of tires a year. It doesn't make sense to incur that extra expense for racing tires on a work vehicle. I dont think we can contribute the lower speed to the age of the vehicle. I bet with V rated tires we could get close to the top speed of 155.

[@Mirrorsonwallls]

The result of this test showed how resilient an old tech Tesla could hold itself with dignity against a brand new EV in 2024. Definitely worth considering a second hand Tesla as a first car for the kids or as a backup family car! 😂

[@michaelkhalil8296]

just bought a i5 on Autotrader 👍🏽👍🏽

[@augustineigbele9477]

First love from Nigeria.🇳🇬

[@davecrawley4634]

Tapped out early on this as it’s daft. Old Tesla v New Tesla is a valid test. This is irrelevant.

[@stulop]

Good luck finding a new model S in the UK.

[@grabir01]

It still shifts?

[@PsychicOracle]

I think that British slang for “this thing still goes,” like “shift your carcass”

[@BryanJackson-vy6ss]

Just wondering how a 430000 mile petrol car would compare to a new one!

[@therealchayd]

That would be interesting, I would like to see this too. I think Matt Farah had a Lexus with nearly a million miles on it, would be good to do a head to head with that and one with fewer miles on it.

[@yulusleonard985]

lol depends how good its maintenance.

[@propertyindhaka8678]

Its better to buy a 2/3 year used car.. 30% money saved

[@crispy4803]

I've been wanting this type of test for ages mi have an EV motorbike and performance drops off as charge decreases also agree why use two seperate car models?!

[@isaiah123456wp7]

OMG!!! A youtuber remembered the I-Pace!!!

[@TheJAMF]

@9:50 Tell me you haven't watched F1 this year, without telling me you haven't watched F1 this year. 🤔🤣

[@teitpoulsen7183]

No surprise that a brand new Januar iPace beats a 8 year old 430k mile Tesla model S. But the real point is how well an old EV actually still performs after so much use. Hard to find any ICE CAR that can match after this many miles!

[@sageakporherhe783]

The Ipace is still in production?

[@johnw65uk]

They’ve just revised it this year. The new grill or lack of grill is one clue it’s the new version.

[@Patriot3]

8 years old and its basically as good as a new jag. Interesting

[@john-em1jr]

The exception that proves the rule..

[@MrGMawson2438]

not bad 4.4

[@banon7853]

I think it would’ve been fairer if you charged the Tesla on a supercharger designed for it and the ePace on the charger you did use. Like find a location with both nearby. The Tesla’s communication with a generic charger isn’t as dynamic as with a supercharger. We might have had a different outcome.

[@italianmaestro3045]

Nice ferrari 430 scuderia 9:08

[@iseptimus]

Not putting the Jag in Dynamic was a mistake for the launch.

[@lookatcha]

I am never ever selling my c63 6.2l monster. Nothing beats the sound of an old school v8 , that burble , that noise . Yes electric is the future , yes it’s predictable, yes it does want you want,, but damn I love the unpredictable madness that comes along with that unhinged 6.2l

[@usernametaken6566]

So you like noise. There's an app for that.

[@Stewiedude1]

This is the right mentality, nothing wrong with appreciating and enjoying an ICE engine whilst still being able to appreciate how things are moving.

[@cooperd6197]

Hydrogen is the Future… not Electric. Time will tell.

[@somerandomfella]

I have a C205. Have you ever thought in 10 years or so we will sound like attention seeking idiots with our loud V8s while everything else is gone quiter? 😂

[@tesla_models]

V8 ....keep it ..never sell it You'll never see those kinda vechiles in future