Avengers: Endgame Directors & Writers Disagree on Captain America’s MCU Timeline - Movie Talk

[@jeremyreed4951]

Loki took the space stone not the time stone. He can transport himself to any place in the world in his present but not throughout time.

[@chasingenigma7482]

Yes, I was going to say the same thing. The space stone/tesereact's power is only for transportation, it does not have the power of time manipulation.

[@shinkounova8485]

Yea that made me think do you guys even understand Marvel time travel? Cause if you didn't even do research on the space stone then it's hard to take your theories seriously.

[@dieseltyme]

But then it's at the wrong place / space that it was meant to be in from 2012 back to the present. Altering this detail alters time. Cap would have to go back to when Hulk busted out off the stairs and makes sure Hydra gets it.

[@eternateen4eva323]

The Space stone was never removed from it's time so there's no discrepancy in time traveling, as long as by the Avengers 1st movie is done when Loki is taken to Asgard by Thor, anything that happens between when Loki leaves and when Thor takes him to Asgard can be on the Disney+ show.

[@donnachurch9581]

Does he mean another timeline. Rather then another time

[@merchopera3855]

Bruce Banner said any change causes a new timeline. The stones not being returned is one way, but it's not only stones. If they killed young Iron Man, alternate timeline They've killed younger Thanos & Nebula, which means they created an alternate timeline. That had nothing to do with any stone Cap lived in an alternate timeline. He just jumped between multiverses Also, the tesseract was supposed to go to Asgard when Loki stole it, not go with shield

[@shinkounova8485]

See what confused people was the The Ancient One's dialogue. People interpret her words differently.

[@zeroskaterz92]

By returning the stones to their places, all the alternate timelines are gone and reset back to their original timeline. It's literally what The Ancient One and Bruce Banner talked about. Do people even pay fucking attention?

[@mcastro187]

feyzal92 nobody is disputing that. Everyone remembers the ancient one and Banner saying that

[@merchopera3855]

feyzal92 the only thing being that Steve going back does cause a different timeline, even returning all the stones

[@pankajchaudhary114]

@@zeroskaterz92 Cap specifically said after he put the stones, he went back to peggy. Peggy was supposed to marry someone else in the main timeline. So, him going back to the past to marry her instead obviously creates an alternate reality in which he lives out his life.

[@movieminutes8781]

Not a big fan of the more podcast and less video format. Watching you all was one of the big reasons I started keeping up.

[@630designs]

Same here

[@nickg8349]

The writers time theory doesn't make sense but the Russo brothers' does. According to the Hulk you cannot change your present. Therefore, nothing they do in the past will change what has already happened in the MCU's timeline. This is why killing baby thanos won't work. And it CANT be just about removing a stone from the timeline. Otherwise they could go back in time, do absolutely nothing with the stone, and kill baby thanos. If the way the writers explained it, this would be possible since there is no stone tampering. However with the Russos theory any time you jump back you are essentially creating a new reality seems to hold true with everything. Therefore it would be impossible for Cap to go back in time and secretly live in the MCU that we know. However, he could go back to any point in history either before he freezes or after and live with 2 captain americas in this new timeline. As the Russo's stated he had to jump back into the current MCU timeline to return the shield. If he had secretly been there the whole time (with the MCU's Peggy) that would mean you CAN go back in time and affect the present which contradicts the Hulk and Nebula not dying when she kills herself. The ancient one's explainer still holds true here too: If you remove a stone from a new reality that will have a major universal consequence that creates a dark or bad timeline (represented by the black line). In this case she already knows not having the timestone will allow Dormamu to defeat Dr. Strange in this timeline. So its important to return stones to their proper timeline to prevent major imbalances in each stones respective universe. But even if you do return the stones, that is a NEW reality already created. Returning the stones doesn't erase the timeline from existing but it erases the divergence of a dark timeline from happening.

[@j-asher]

FINALLY someone else understands it completely lol Well explained sir.

[@LectricVonThunder]

Just the act of time travel doesnt create a new timeline. You have to change something. Otherwise it just means time travel happened in the main timeline. If you change something you will live in new timeline and your true timeline you're from remains unchanged. This is why cap wouldnt say anything to change anything. He knows it all works out as it should in the end. Im "team writers" on this one. I don't think the Russos understood what the writers intended.

[@shinkounova8485]

@@LectricVonThunder "Just the act of time travel doesnt create a new timeline. You have to change something. " You mean like GETTING MARRIED and having kids to with one of the main operatives in Shield? You're basically countering your entire point with Cap's actions. If he wanted to not change anything then he should live alone by himself in the middle of nowhere with no human contact. Plus Tony literally only agree to time traveling if it didnt' risk undoing his daughter. That's why it should be alternate timeline rules by the Russos.

[@LectricVonThunder]

@@shinkounova8485 He wasnt an operative again til 2012. There is nothing in the main MCU timeline that contradicts the identity of Peggy's secret husband. We just never knew who he was until now. Remember she was old and had memory loss when we saw her in modern times. When Cap was on the bench he had no Q realm equipment on, not even the wrist band, strongly hinting he didn't junp from another timeline.

[@shinkounova8485]

@@LectricVonThunder "There is nothing in the main MCU timeline that contradicts the identity of Peggy's secret husband" Peggy's own niece, Sharon, did not recognize that Cap looked exactly like her uncle? And in her funeral (The Winter Soldier) Cap helped carry her body in front of everyone attending. Her own children would have been like, that dude looks EXACTLY LIKE OUR FATHER. Not to mention that he made out with Sharon. Ugh. This is exactly why The Russos explanation works so much better. We didn't see him arrive there instantly. He could've walked there after arriving from another timeline and taken off his traveling device or whatever. Plus he had a shield with him. Him having a shield makes no sense. Og cap's shield was destroyed before he left. Where in the world would he get one if he was part of the main continuity all along? He had to stay hidden in our world if Cap was there too.

[@MorsecodeZ]

I'm sorry, everything that happened in the movie says that if Cap makes any changes in the past, it makes a new timeline. If that's not how it works, then HOW could Nebula kill herself without dying because of it? And I don't get the writer's take on what The Ancient One said. What she said was that IF YOU TAKE THE STONES, it makes a reality that WILL BE BAD FOR THE PEOPLE THERE! She doesn't say that taking the stones is the only way to create a new timeline. I'm with Mantz, but I look at TNG episode "Parallels" where Worf goes through a QUANTUM rift, causing him to flitter between his quantum realities, each shift pushing him farther and farther from his own reality. Whatever the writers intended initially, that's more what they created. (That all said, I don't disagree with the possibility that Steve was Peggy's husband all along. Nothing that ever happened or was said in any of the movies explicitly contradicts that possibility. I just don't think that Peggy's husband in the main MCU timeline is the Steve from the MCU timeline, but he could be the one from an extremely close Quantum timeline.)

[@j-asher]

I agree with everything you said except the last part, as it would contradict the entire movie because nobody time travelled in the original MCU timeline, Cap didn't fight cap, Loki didn't escape, 2014 Thanos and Nebula didn't die etc... Steve travelling back and staying in the past and being her original husband from Winter Solider flies in the face of not being able to change the past, they already established it's not a loop time travel practice like say Terminator for example, time travel though out the movie just created separate realities, with their own unique timeline. So him sitting on the bench would mean he would have to had time/reality jumped back at some point, regardless if we see him do it on screen or not.

[@HarrisTheHeckler]

Yeah. If you change anything it should create a branching timeline. Steve returns the stones so as not to doom that reality. There should be at least 3 new timelines. One, the timeline Cap goes and lives his life in. Two, the timeline where 2014 Thanos and his entire army don’t exist anymore because they died in 2019. Three, the timeline where Loki escapes with the Tesseract. It’s the only way everything makes sense.

[@EvanSawyer4]

I agree with you and do you one better, Here's how Cap WAS Peggy's husband in the timeline we were watching. We've been looking at the MCU from the perspective of a branch timeline all along. There must be an original timeline where Cap doesn't come back at the end, he just disappears from 2023 and is not Peggy's husband. But he necessarily, with that action, creates a new timeline where he lives with Peggy and can go back to the lake in 2023 (as long as he keeps his butterfly effect low), who's to say we weren't seeing that branch timeline all along? Nobody said we were looking at the main/original timeline, and you're completely right, the two timelines shouldn't be too different and the Old cap is not their Cap who just went back in time, he's Cap prime actually. Well since this creates an infinitely recurring event we could be on any given timeline X with Cap X-1 showing up old at the end. But this is officially head-cannon now that I know what Marcus and McFeely intended. I'm glad it works with the movie we have because of what you say, The Ancient One's lines are ambiguous enough, Old cap is never the cap from the timeline we're seeing and the two shouldn't be too different, because cap knows his trip from 2023 must always happen so no timelines stay nasty. EDIT: didn't realize i left it unfinished before sending, sorry about that.

[@nicholasarkis6116]

I agree with all of this. Plus, a few things. First and foremost, the movie directors have the final say. Period. Second, the Russo's way comes with more potential fun stories that they can tell, should they choose to do so. For example. Suppose in the "old cap" branch that he does retire from active duty. But, he warns of certain key history milestones. i.e. JFK's assassination, Hydra infiltrating S.H.I.E.L.D, 9/11, Sokovia, etc. Preventing any or all of those things would greatly change the future of that new timeline. But, imagine the new crazy alternate universe stories now available. To name but one of infinite possibilities, suppose altering the timeline made it so that in old man cap's reality Falcon did somehow become Captain America. When Steve returns to the Avengers timeline and gives Sam the shield, Sam says it feels like it belongs to someone else. But, maybe Steve was telling Sam the truth when he said that it was his. (That's just off the top of my head, but you get the idea). In any case, I freaking love the MCU.

[@EvanSawyer4]

@@j-asher Not if we're seeing the MCU from the old cap timeline all along. As long as the original timeline had the event where cap goes back the old cap timeline is created. who's to say we weren't seeing that timeline all along.

[@BLACKMOMBA17]

After ONE day of 20minutes Im so glad they went and added more time, now just add a little more and we will be back to normal

[@UtopiaBlue68]

HankPym HankReviewsLemons 😅😅

[@reyes1533]

The Ancient One wasn't simply talking about "branch" realities. Branch realities occur the moment any time travel takes place, paradoxically. It's just logical that, at the moment a minor thing changes in a timeline's history, it immediately alters everything that comes after, as a butterfly effect but ONLY in that new reality. AS FOR THE STONES: Removing an Infinity Stone doesn't simply create a new timeline, it creates a CHAOTIC one due to a presumed imbalance in the checks of cosmic forces. It's a completely separate paradox from simple branch realities caused by time travel. That's why the movie takes a whole separate beat to explain it.

[@Ant_1776]

I not arguing with you, im just simply really trying to understand this, but so your saying in the movie they said when you time travel your automatically creating a new timeline? Really ? Who said that, also it seemed as if they were saying that if the stones were what created an alternate timeline , not just time traveling automatically causing one. Also it seemed as if when they took the stones and then put them back then the alternate timeline branches were cut.

[@Ant_1776]

Reyes also whats the difference if cap was in another timeline, wouldnt it be the exact same situation in that alternate timeline if cap lived there, such as his other self being in ice and him still having to be in hiding

[@reyes1533]

​@@Ant_1776 I get what you're driving at, but it's a consequence of the paradigms that the Ancient One and Hulk point out. A. Starting with the Ancient One's; she says that "taking" the time stones (in the same way Clint takes his past son's catcher's mitt) causes the reality to split and fall into chaos. We can actually surmise two paradigms from this scene. One; she refers to "her reality" as separate from the main MCU timeline, meaning it's already separate BEFORE the time stone in her possession is taken. Two; TAKING something and then time travelling WITH that object means it physically removes it from the timeline you came from. Physics-wise that means any and all physical things you effected affect the timeline you've traveled to. B. Hulk says you can't change your own past by time-travelling. So taking those two points into account, if taking something causes enough of an effect (i.e. that object being absent, be it an Infinity Stone or a baseball glove), then it logically follows that ALL physical actions cause a lasting effect that YOUR past doesn't experience. If your past doesn't experience the change YOU caused, then it follows that it stays, but in the timeline you visited. This doesn't mean the timeline can't CLOSELY RESEMBLE the main MCU one, but because of what Hulk said, it is automatically different because of the changes your physical presence has caused; changes that don't affect your past, but create a new one separate from yours, hence a new timeline, a branch reality :)

[@TheFunkyJawa]

Does Coy permanently speak in speed round mode? someone tell him he aint on Movie fights.

[@daniellarsson7144]

Coked up on comic books

[@buda1013]

If you been watching heroes or collider long enough u know he talks fast ans he ain't slowing down so get use to it lol

[@Quantum314]

Loki's not time travelling though. He took the space stone, not the space and time stone. He can go through different points in space, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's going to a different timeline. He's just teleporting, that's all. I don't think that Loki created a different timeline.

[@giovannycruz3949]

DCUOQuantum the fact that Loki took the stone will make that timeline different, at least that's what I think.

[@Quantum314]

@@giovannycruz3949 I don't know if it would create a different timeline though. The Ancient One said that *removing* a stone from its timeline would create a different timeline. Just using the stone wouldn't. Also, remember that Bruce Banner said that changing the past doesn't change the future.

[@bluepearl_22]

@@Quantum314 That is all true but Since Loki getting hold of the space stone and teleporting away with it still happened, it does alter that timeline's present because now the space stone isn't were it's spposed to be in order for the normal set of events to take place. Hence, this timeline was still slightly changed but due to a different reason than the Ancient one explained.

[@ChuckAlaimo]

I call BS on the writers take, the Russo brothers are the one that make the final call. It makes way more sense for cap and Peggy to have their life in their own branch of time

[@gargantuapartytime]

i call BS on any of their takes, it's down to what Kevin Feige says as he's the one that points the direction for the MCU and it's minutia

[@edgardelgado8753]

gargantua partytime I call bs on all their takes when the Mouse house is the ultimate decision maker.

[@spacewooly]

I agree. With the movies stated logic it is the only thing that makes sense to me. They state that when you go back in time you can not change the present.

[@LymphNode125]

@@edgardelgado8753 I call bs on all those takes, Stan Lee makes the final word, no question

[@manuelalbertoromero9528]

@@LymphNode125Hey Me: Stan! Can we get some answers? Stan:... Me: Welp, so much for that.

[@spiritchannels]

Please bring back Live questions. Letting the show go thirty minutes was much better. You're all doing a great job nonetheless.

[@The_RedVIII]

IF Steve going back DOES NOT create a new timeline, it would mean that he is the actual husband of Peggy that we never saw and it means that he actually kissed his own niece or grand daughter? (Sharon Carter). And I don't know what's worse. And why the hell am I the only one mentioning this?

[@leon8678]

Thank you for this. I was screaming at them lol. Steve creates an entirely alternate reality by going back to be with Peggy. I believe the Russo's approach to this. They did direct both films.

[@thepoiuyt98]

They did mention it. Coy brought it up and Perri liked it.

[@mcastro187]

RedVIII she’s not his actual niece though. Not by blood anyway

[@The_RedVIII]

@@mcastro187 actually, I can't remember, was Sharon Peggy's granddaughter or her niece? If she was the granddaughter, then she probably is blood related.

[@reyskywaka3202]

Sharon is Peggy’s niece, so her and Steve aren’t blood related. It’s still gross though, she would’ve called him uncle Steve 🤮

[@CHarr1991]

Someone in the live chat referred to the Game of Thrones show runners as "Benny Often Wise" ...funniest thing I've seen in a while

[@rajannegi8883]

As an non comics reader, can anyone tell how can Falcon be Captain America ? Old Cap and Bucky have superhuman strength on their own. Whereas Falcon guy is normal human and all his powers are in his Falcon suit. If he wear Captain America outfit, only thing he have is shield

[@nelic182]

maybe he'll give it over to bucky

[@insertnamehere1867]

My understanding is in the comics he keeps his wings, so he has his wings and the shield

[@bryanmcdonnell5529]

Branch Realties All The Way. 2 stones from 2012 (mind/scepter & time). 1 stone from 1970 (space/tesseract). 1 stone from 2013 (reality/aether). 2 stones from 2014 (power & soul). By taking these stones from these times, the avengers would have created 4 entirely separate alternate realities without at least one infinity stone. As Banner says with the ancient one, the solution to this problem (the problem being the lack of infinity stones, not that the reality is split) is returning those stones to the specific TIME they were taken to make sure that those alternate realities had all their infinity stones. But in that same conversation, when they demonstrate that returning the time stone would "restore" something, I don't think they're talking about ALL of time and ALL of the realities becoming one again. They're just saying that the 4 new realities with missing infinity stones would get all their stones back when Cap (re)visits those times. They can't undo 4 alternate realities being created because that would be the future not just affecting the past but CHANGING it, which Hulk explicitly states is impossible. You can't change something that's already happened. You can only create new futures by time traveling. But those new futures aren't your new present/future or "the" present/future because the new futures' existences are predicated on your past/present/future existing as is. Therefore, every time you time travel, the act of entering into the past automatically creates an alternate reality. Which again, is why Cap has to go to back to the EXACT moment the stones were taken because it would be impossible to locate that specific reality otherwise (I think). Makes total sense, right?!?!?!? my brain hurts And in one of those realities, Loki has the tesseract (again) and is gonna do something. **Also, he can't go to another time with it. It's the space stone, not the time stone** And yes, I think Cap is living in an alternate reality with Peggy, living his life to the fullest, only to return at the end of his life to his ORIGINAL reality so that he could give the shield to Sam, etc. etc. Maybe he invented a way to not land on the platform upon return, I don't know, why are you asking me?!?! BUT I will say the ancient one's speech about the force of darknesses overrunning the reality without a time stone does make me think we're getting some foreshadowing about the future of the MCU (i.e. the reality where Thanos destroyed all of its infinity stones). I think we might have a Doctor Strange 2 idea, guys.

[@nickg8349]

Yes completely agree! I think the ancient one is referring to the idea that if one of these new realities is missing 1 of their stones their could be some kind of universal imbalance that leads to catastrophe. In her specific case she already knows not having the time stone will lead to dormamu defeating strange. But I think the idea in general is that if a universe doesn’t have all 6 of its stones it’s prone to bad things happening (represented by a black timeline in the movie) returning the stones just ensures that these new realities don’t diverge into a dark timeline but they already were created so they will continue to exist even if those timelines play out exactly like the MCU we’ve been watching, they are there.

[@johnnyxp64]

what the red shirt fella says is not right in the beginning.. because it was clearly established that changing the past will not affect your present / future where you came from. you are just creating another future from that point onward for that past you have visited. so you created another reality / timeline. Rusoo brother said that and spiderman ffh also use that multitimelines = multiverse. yeah sure those avengers on that alternative timeline will not understand anything... because the events never happened or if they did... it will be part of their memories.

[@kingpin22s]

Please bring back 50+ minute movie talk.

[@havokthebeast]

I'm not trying to see any filler

[@mushierivera]

The first story hurt my brain lol

[@agustinchristensen5201]

The thing that I think doesn't add up if Cap didn't create a branching reality is Peggy. We see when she's older that when Steve visits her, she acts as if she hasn't seen him in years which actually wouldn't be the case. I just don't buy the fact that she acted her emotions just so Steve wouldn't think somtehing was up. And that's not even mentioning the fact that either Peggy's niece knew that she was married to Cap and didn't mind hooking up with her aunt's husband's doppleganger, or she didn't know that Peggy was married at all to someone, lest of all Steve, which is also kind of hard to believe.

[@richardlogan850]

30 minutes show! Now that's more like it. And I'm a fan of podcasting. Takes me a hour to get to school and I need something to listen to at the gym as well, so I tend to listen to all the podcasts you all put out.

[@tamdangmarketing]

The Russo’s perspective is where I stand. Cap had to created another timeline as with Loki, missing Nebula and missing Thanos. Thanos and Nebula missing from their timeline which did not obstruct the current timeline obviously meant that the timeline did split and it hadn’t anything to do with the infinity stones.

[@bluepearl_22]

100%

[@alexmarshall8187]

Perri is doing a great job! But...Movie Talk used to seem like Collider’s premier show. At 20-30 minutes it’s definitely lost that mantle. Rule of Two, Jedi Council, FYC all feel like they’re on a higher tier than Movie Talk now.

[@ajrein4226]

this was 30 mins long?

[@alexmarshall8187]

AJ Rein it’s still the new short format

[@darthplagueis8886]

What show is FYC?

[@alexmarshall8187]

Jibbly For Your Consideration, it’s an Awards Season show about what movies/people have chances at the different awards show. It’s hosted by Perri, Scott, and Jeff. Hands down my favorite show Collider does.

[@isaiahfreeman]

To you

[@scottelement]

“Perri-normal” You kill me Mr. Mantz!

[@ta21l]

I remember some audiences were split on Avatar. It was an event movie and remember that you NEED to see it because of it's 3D and motion capture technology achievements, not because it was a good movie.

[@DavidDatura]

Regain Turner indeed

[@jkhide]

He made a new time line. Or this means the whole time travel condition and logic of Endgame is denied.

[@bluepearl_22]

Exactly. I don't get why people can't wrap their head around this. The rules were clearly laid out by Hulk and the movie did everything according to them.

[@wraithflaire1639]

That is exactly it it is a new time line created by him going back. At the same time in the time line he travel back in time he didn't reappear he was just gone off the face of that timeline for all intensive purposes he died in that timeline.

[@spicybag22]

Loki couldn't have travelled through time because he took the space stone not the time stone.

[@johnhendricks1998]

Exactly

[@ssjmatthew1286]

Even after 1 day, they’re already realizing 20 minutes is to short.

[@brucecrawford8101]

I figured they would. 😅

[@thereallycool]

Shorter episodes of the 2 best shows on Collider is a BAD IDEA .... Movie Talk and Heroes deserve BETTER

[@stealahb]

ALL THE LOVE, PERRI! keep on being awesome. congrats!

[@Mr.spectacularowl]

When cap says “hail hydra” adds to their point since he knew that they were bad people, but didn’t do anything about it

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

They're screenwriting geniuses, but Markus and McFeely's theory makes no sense. The timelines are created by time travel. Cap going back would have changes the timeline too much.

[@nova7747]

Nope :)

[@shinkounova8485]

@@nova7747 Yes it would. It doesnt' even make sense if he's secretly Peggy's original husband. How did OG cap stay a secret from everyone including shield/hydra if he was married to one of their main operatives? I mean he had kids with her! Why in the world did his niece not once mention that you look EXACTLY LIKE MY AUNTS HUSBAND? Not to mention that he made out with her. Also, this is really important to End Game's plot but Iron Man made a deal with Cap that he would only time travel as long as it didn't risk his daughter being unborn. The fact that he would go back in time and be part of the main timeline would have catastrophic sequences. There is no way he would know what to do in order to avoid changing everything. And Cap wouldn't recklessly do something like that especially break his word for someone who sacrificed himself to save the entire universe.

[@nickg8349]

Agreed. The only way Cap was secretly married to the Peggy in our MCU is if it was a Cap from a completely unmentioned timeline whom we’ve never met came back into our MCU timeline. He could’ve jumped back and lived a secret/quiet life with Peggy, Not feeling burdened to deal w/hydra and everything because our cap that we’ve been watching is taking care of business. But that would still mean he let all the bad things happen while our MCU cap waits to be unthawed. Including letting hydra grow within shield....so still doesn’t make sense for the character.

[@shinkounova8485]

@@nickg8349 Yea. His character actions felt backwards or just off i guess? Cap told Tony that he wasn't the type of guy to make the "sacrifice play" in Avengers 1. Then watches Tony make the ultimate sacrifice play AFTER he had his daughter and happy life so somehow Cap is like you know what? Forget this timeline and protecting the world/friends i love. I mean Nat even sacrificed herself for that specific timeline!

[@zeroskaterz92]

It didn't change the timeline, moron. Hardly no one knows Peggy's personal life, not even her own niece that literally been mentioned in Civil War. Cap doesn't have to do anything. He knew that his past self will eventually woke up in 2012 and go through the course of MCU until Endgame. He co-exist with his past self. It's a time paradox and time loop.

[@MichaelNewmanII]

I never knew I wanted Mantz & Coy, but dang it!! If they are the most fun Ive had on MovieTalk in quite awhile

[@earlchatterton9133]

Perfect panel today. Mantz and Coy's passion and understanding of the topics is always great to watch.

[@mikeyhutchinson6994]

Im glad this one was a bit longer than yesterday!!! great episode. please do at least 30 minutes, 45 would be amazing. its such a big part of my day. I feel like im missing a body part LOL

[@BenzoMerranzan]

OMG. The point of time travel in that movie is that IT DOESN'T MATTER. It's more important just to feel good about the story. The whole plot device is just a subtle metaphor and meta-commentary for the often sacred power of global storytelling in modern entertainment. Is that not obvious to everyone? Jeez.

[@ZachBobBob]

This is the big argument in the friends group right now. Half dislike the movie because the time travel 'doesn't make sense' and breaks the film and the other half love it because the time travel making sense doesn't matter. It's about the characters and the story.

[@Adrian-zd4cs]

I fully believe you can have these breakdown discussions and still FULLY appreciate & enjoy the movies. You can have both

[@BluplanetFriends]

Okay, so I kept checking the COLLIDER VIDEOS channel and as late as 6:15 PM ET the show was not "LIVE". It is now after 7PM and I see that this episode "Streamed live 65 minutes ago". What's going on? Why was I not able to actually watch it LIVE?

[@ChrisWoodburn83]

The show starts at 6pm est now

[@aviellevenstien4517]

Thanks for extending the runtime!

[@shortstuff780]

Not sure how I like this new format, but if Peri is behind it then I'll gladly watch it through. Hopefully y'all can work it your kinks and get this to working. Keep up the great work Peri!!

[@lucase7467]

Love the new format for movie talk short but informative thanks guys

[@l_quinn_l]

Dig the new format Also, they create many alternate timelines in this movie: - 2014, Thanos and his army disappears (no snap) Gamora never meets Starlord. Guardians probably never get together. - 2012, Loki never goes back to Asgard after the battle of New York and takes the space Stone. - 1940’s/50’s Steve Rodgers marries and lives a long life with Peggy Carter -1970, POSSIBLY. Maybe a slight change of Howard Starks parenting. Might effect nothing. Might not be an alternate timeline.

[@bluepearl_22]

Finally someone with a functioning brain

[@scroogemcduck8509]

I need to rewatch but I do not think the Ancient One said that the timelines would stay the same if the stones were returned, but they’d protect the timeline from dark forces

[@disneyavenger5653]

J Packosh agreed

[@Eclectic8]

Although I agree that Avatar's main draw was the "new" 3D spectacle, Avatar was original in many other ways including a blockbuster highlighting CGI for beauty versus for battles and focusing on a ecology versus technology-based society. Many people might want more of those qualities.

[@brucecrawford8101]

I love Collider MovieTalk but I just knew that it wasn’t gonna last long being 20 minutes. 😅

[@UtopiaBlue68]

Bruce Crawford 😅😅

[@seba00700ify]

I think, and this is how I interpreted the movie, when you go back in time, the moment you touch ground you create an alternate timeline, that up until that point was exactly the same as theirs, taking a stone makes that timeline live in a darkness, but the branch is already created, if not "Captain America Prime" would remember fighting a version of himself.

[@JohnKerbaugh]

Regarding time travel: Time is like a river. You flow down the river but your past is always in it. If you change the flow of the river where you have already flowed though; it changes the you flowing though it now, not the you who's already past that point.

[@AnitialDeez]

I've only seen Endgame once but what I thought about the Cap situation at the end was that he went back and lived his life with Peggy then used the extra Pym particles to come back to that timeline at the same time they thought he was going to originally. But instead of him coming right back he stayed with Peggy and aged then came back. He couldn't have went back and lived with Peggy and still met with them because that would have been a different branch than the one with them at the funeral....does that make sense?

[@falselight]

@ 6:55 Coy's already contradicting his support of Marcus/Mcfeely rules... Loki taking a stone from Shield doesn't remove it from that reality, it just changes it's location within that reality, by Marcus/Mcfeely rules that wouldn't branch the timeline. But it clearly has to be a branched timeline, because of how different it is than ours, not only are the two stones in different locations and possession in the exact same time between the two timeline... but the butterfly effect consequences of Loki escaping capture in the Battle of New York with the Cosmic Cube ensure that timeline will be very different than ours... it clearly is a branched timeline, it clearly also has all it's stone back after Cap returns the mind & time, but it will still persist to exist as an alternate branch... Therefor this HAS TO be Russo rules, AKA, ANY change you make to the past creates a new timeline, whether it's taking the stone, changing ownership/location of the stone, staying to live in the past or destroying thanos' army too early. It has to be Russo rules for any logic in the film to work.

[@polishprince0405]

falselight you’re so right about coy (thank god it wasn’t just me...it’s the space stone, you can’t use it to traverse time 😂) Though I think both the writers and the Russo’s got it partially right. The concept of time travel they used is based on real world theories for which they brought in several physicists who specialize in said theories to ensure they got it right. It was quantum mechanics/string theory. Basically, by these theories Steve would be in a loop (albeit different “versions” of himself). The idea is that there are infinite timelines, but rather than being drastically different most are fundamentally the same save a small detail (with a portion, obviously, being drastically different). So basically, the Steve that left on the platform didn’t just magically catch up, per se...he’s still moving forward at the same rate which we do, but he’s also been here the whole time (this is where it admittedly gets complex). It IS a different timeline, but rather than alternate view it as a parallel where things will always play out the same. The Steve the left that platform is, as we speak, still in his future in the past. The Steve on the bench is fundamentally the same exact person, but not...he experienced endgame 80 years ago, while “our” Steve will witness it once again in 80 years time. They’re essentially copies of each other. To sum it up, it makes sense if he was there with the inclusion of quantum mechanics/string theory (what they used) as time and timelines are infinite, but each different explanation (writers v Russo’s) are both missing something on their own by the rules of the type of time travel they used

[@SwiftBrooklyn718]

Perri, you are ROCKING Movie Talk!!

[@TheGeekyHippie]

Let me start by saying that my boy Scott Mantz is incorrect; Eintein's theory of General Relativity actually allows for scenarios in which time travel *IS* possible. The only problem is, we don't have any clue how to attain those scenarios, as they deal with such things as wormholes (which would require theoretical stuff like negative energy and exotic matter). But GR does allow for time travel. That said, I have to agree more with the Russo brothers, though I don't think they go far enough. Any little change made, every single interaction with the past, not just with people but with objects and animals, would cause a branching of timelines. This falls in line with what many theoretical physicists and cosmologists in the real world believe happens all the time, that every single time there is multiple "options" for something to happen, say I turn left or right, or that atom goes this way or that way, or anything like that, a new universe (or timeline if you will) is created. If I have a typo and hit the "o" instead of the "i" I was after, or the ""u" instead, a new universe is created. It is not limited to binary "decisions." And yes, this does lead to an essentially infinite number of universes/timelines. So even with just what we saw in ENDGAME alone, trillions if not quadrillions of of new timelines were created, though the vast majority of those are indistinguishable from one another, as most of those interactions that the time traveling Avengers caused were imperceptible and on the microscopic scale. On the macroscopic scale, probably hundreds or thousands of universes resulted from their actions. And that isn't even counting when Captain America went back in time to return the Stones to the places they were stolen from (along with Mjolnir). And I don't even want to try to think of the number that Loki is creating once he stole the Tesseract, it will make my head hurt. For more on these sorts of things, check out Hugh Everett's Many Worlds Interpretation/Theory (and related theories), seriously, I'm not making this shit up, legit PhD scientists came up with this stuff using math and all that.

[@KirbyMasterArchives]

The Russo’s are right. How could you guys think it wouldn’t create another universe. It’s not only tied to the infinity stones. Hulk says that you cannot change your past or your future. Cap living in their past would do exactly that. Russo’s are right

[@HarrisTheHeckler]

If you change anything it should create a new timeline. 2014 Thanos and his army were killed, meaning there should be a timeline where he doesn’t exist and Tony never dies. How does returning the stones reset that? It can’t.

[@bluepearl_22]

@@HarrisTheHeckler Exactly, just like Loki disappearing with the space stone also altered that particular timeline. But I guess the point he was trying to make was that Cap going back in time doesn't change anything for us since he want back to a different past and not OURS.

[@pauleckert4321]

Does anybody know when endgame is gonna be released on Bluray. I preordered it online at target and but it said release date is tbd. Wondering how long we have to wait.

[@bchakravarty7]

Thisbis a perfect time.....thank you collider for listening to us fans that in one day you bounce back to add about 12 more minutes.....love you all

[@mesozoicisland22]

These three are the best!

[@polishprince0405]

On loki...he is in that time (2012 when he took the stone), that timeline is now changed and presumably will play out much differently. You can’t time travel with the space stone.

[@zuzanka1981]

Team Directors all the way. Any other explanation is assassination of Cap's character. Remember the guy who said 'We don't trade lives' and the whole exchange with Tony from CW 'When I see a situation heading south I can't ignore it.' ?

[@w10u1sg]

This was a great panel. I just want more of them :)

[@EvanSawyer4]

DISCLAIMER: I know banner and the ancient one talk about bringing the stones back or else creating a bunch of nasty alternate realities but they could mean that these branches will be nasty if the stones aren't returned not that the branches will be closed off by returning the stones. This is all head-cannon now anyways because of what Marcus and Mcfeely said (they are the writers), but please give it a chance. Enjoy. IMO the explanation for old cap goes as follows: We have an original timeline and branches going off of it. The original is unchanged from going all the time travel as per the rules, but all the branch timelines have some sort of change on them due to the time travel from the original which is how they are created. No Thanos from 2014 onward in one, Loki escapes from the battle of new york in another, Cap grows old with Peggy in another, etc. I believe we were watching the MCU from the perspective of the old cap timeline all along. And furthermore that Steve IS Peggy's secret husband in this reality, her Alzheimer's in Winter Soldier only strengthens this. Old Steve is the only change we perceive as affecting reality because we ARE in the reality created by his time travel when he stays with Peggy and grows old. All that is required is that in the ORIGINAL timeline the events of IW and EG manage to happen more or less the same but more importantly that Steve's going back in time happens. In this original timeline when Steve goes back from 2023 he doesn't appear as Old Steve because it's the original timeline which is unchanged, he just doesn't come back. And that original Steve is the one that grows old with Peggy and that we get to see at the end of Endgame In the timeline he created by going back. Although because of how this becomes an infinitely recurrent event we may be seeing Steve disappear from reality X while Steve from reality X-1 appears at the end of the movie in that case the Steve from reality X-1 (if reality X-1 is not the original) comes from a reality where its own Old cap (Steve from reality X-2) shows up at the end.

[@WilliamYmesei]

I think we keep forgetting that the time heist was done via the Quantum Realm, nothing to do with the powers of the stones. In fact, all the uses of the time stone from the MCU involved some time manipulation and observation. No full blown time travel like they did via the Quantum Realm. Just goes to show how nuanced these stories are.

[@bubbashore6450]

Traveling through time by going through the quantum realm is different than the usual type of time travel we're used to. In Infinity War, Doctor Strange looked at over 4 million timelines and said we only win in one of them. So all the time lines are like spaghetti, all separate, and going through the quantum realm is like traveling through the sauce.

[@videocassette1986]

In Winter Soldier, when young Steve meets old Peggy, there’s no picture of her husband and the dialogue gets confusing. Could it be hinting something about their past together in a new branch of time?

[@macguffin3211]

I can deal with the run time being around 30 mins, but can we please get more topics discussed. That's what I loved about Movie Talk. The diversity. I was able to get my movie news fix.

[@JustForShow510]

Cap going back could also be in the main timeline.. follow this for a minute.. there are 2 caps in the past, 1 with peggy and 1 frozen.. 1.peggy does state that she was married but when cap sees her when she is old you only see a picture of the children and not her husband.. she also says "you've come back to me" 2. When you see cap at the base in endgame he sees peggy at around 50 years of age and who's picture does she have on her desk, Steve Rogers, so why if she was married to someone else would she have a picture of Steve where anyone could see it and shes also wearing a wedding ring (they were married, her and Steve at that time) 3. Peggy being the co-founder of shield and already married to future Steve who came back would allow her to know she could never mention who she was married too ,to cap, cuz that would lead to him knowing of his future self and possibly disrupt the time line. 4. Old cap is the same cap from the same time line just having lived his days in the past married to peggy and having 2 kids which would explain why he is sitting on the bench to give Sam the shield and also would give depth to why bucky wasn't surprised at all and seemed to know what had happened instantly. 5. None that knew about Steve and peggy in the past could say anything to cap of the present due to it may effect the outcome of the winning scenario of what was to come. Time travel can difficult to follow but if I said it correctly you could see my theory and how it all fits together and why

[@AchimaelProductions]

Still not happy about the length of the show, but Mantz and Coy are just THE BEST!

[@user-xh3kb6yx4h]

If cap is with Peggy maybe they never look for the cap that's on ice

[@GamersHiro]

What if I tell you, there is 2 cap all this time?. The young and old one.

[@zeroskaterz92]

Both Cap and Past Cap co-exist within the same timeline ffs.

[@GamersHiro]

@@zeroskaterz92 I know brah..

[@stealahb]

re: Timeline - the one thought i had/keep coming back to is [admittedly] kind of wonky but it's this: in winter soldier, the documentary with Peggy talking about how she met her husband, "even after her died, Steve was still changing my life"; i'm wondering if the mysterious husband that she'd eventually marry WAS New Steve. working in SHIELD, her private life would be off-the-record as so it could have very well be him [all along]. slightly daft but, still.

[@alexg.8863]

Love the new format. And the shorter time is a bonus to me bc I have a million other podcasts to listen to.

[@dieseltyme]

If Captain America shows up on the director of SHIELD's front door in 1945 then why would SHIELD still thaw him out in 2010?

[@disneyavenger5653]

Rasqache Art maybe he told them to keep a lookout for his younger self

[@paulthomas7243]

What if Cap while taking the infinity stones back realised the teseract was missing and tracked Loki down and returned the stone to it's rightful place in time since Steve could find anyone he chose to look for? Just a thought? Can't remember if Cap had all 6 stones before he returned each one or not?

[@alanpownall7965]

I don't buy Cap sitting at home with his wife, Director of Shield, and keeping the secret that it is infiltrated by Hydra. So I assume he had to alter things and thus did so in an alternate timeline.

[@bluepearl_22]

Maybe he did. However, I can also get the argument that he wouldn't change anything, at least none of the major events as that would fit his character more in my opinion, especially the way it was portrayed in Civil War where he was for freedom of choice and clearly against "prevention" or "control" of people's actions, even if it means that things might not go as planned. This is the key essance of Captain America throughout the whole MCU. He said things like: "I know we're not perfect but the safest hands are still our own". Hence, he did what he did during that movie, even if it meant that he didn't tell Tony the truth about his parents. Also, in Endgame he let the secret Hydra agents in the elevator get away and do their thing despite the fact that he knew their real intentions and what would happen in 2 years (Winter Soldier). He could've at least let somebody in that timeline know what's going on or what's about to happen to prevent casualties but he didn't. That to me is the strongest point for why I think he wouldn't change those things since he knows it's not really his place to prevent things of that scope in a timeline that he technically doesn't belong to.

[@alanpownall7965]

@@bluepearl_22 I don't know, by his own admission he isn't the kind of guy that can see a situation going south and ignore it. Realistically, just by existing there he would radically alter the world.

[@bluepearl_22]

@@alanpownall7965 however, my just keeps going back to him not doing anything to prevent hydra in 2012. For me it would still make sense though.

[@alanpownall7965]

@@bluepearl_22 He was busy saving a few trillion people at that point, beating up a few goons isn't going to stop Hydra there and then.

[@bluepearl_22]

@@alanpownall7965 Obviously (duh). That's why I said that he could've warned them, gve them a clue or at least let someone form that timeline know so they could perhaps set something in motion by themselves. The movie even addressed that possibility when Thor wanted to warn his mother about what was about to happen. So if Cap were as you said he is than he would've made sure that he doesn't leave that timeline to its fate (or doom) when even Thor has that thought. If I would live in that timeline knowing that Captain America came here from the future with the knowledge of what would happen to us in 2 years and not doing a thing to prevent it from happening or giving us some sort of clue, I'd be pretty pissed. That's why it makes sense to me that he willingly didn't intervene, neither in 2012 nor in those 70+ years he spent with Peggy and stayed out of the spotlight.

[@carltonhargro9081]

The Hulk actually explained it twice. The stones were just an example, but branched realities exist beyond just the stones.

[@johndoefpv]

The guy in the red shirt says "they established in this movie that the butterfly effect doesnt work here" then proceeds to say "if cap stayed in the past and he was careful not to change much, the avengers would have never noticed their pasts where changed" WHY WOULD THEIR PAST CHANGE IF TOU JUST SAID THERE'S NO BUTTERFLY EFFECT 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@chazertronfivethousand4425]

Scott is always such a positive and nice energy for the show. I love his and Coy's energy. I like Perri's theory about new mutants and I hope it's true. Otherwise it's just another problem film that too many people spent time and love on only to have nothing happen.

[@zerocool7088]

What if Cap didn't use the Time stone power to return it, just waited... He didn't appear on the platform. Maybe he had a different 'covert' name in 50s & 60s or 70s

[@ignacio633]

Love this three hosts. Lots of energy.

[@protector_of_the_realms]

Going back in time via quantum realm doesn't affect the present the traveler is from however the time stone does so Cap could have gone back given the stone back and then asked the ancient One to transport him through dimensions and physically through his time which we know she can do so problem solved if you want Cap to have married the Peggy from our world and then in Winter soldier she's just shocked that Steve looks so young. If you don't want to go down that route then he can just have worked out some other way to get to that bench or that whole scene could have been in a different reality

[@huiee19]

I saw Avengers End Game twice here are the rules! If any of the infinity stones are taken out of the timeline due to changing the past then it would create a new thread of an alternate timeline! When Loki took the Space stone he indeed created a new alternate timeline cough cough Disney plus! The Ancient One stated that theory to Banner/Hulk! Hulk stated if we take the infinity stones and place them back where we took them it is if it never happened... closing all of the alternate time lines EXCLUDING Loki taking the space time! When Steve Roger goes back he said that he would replace all of the infinity stones exactly when they were taken meaning all of the alternative time lines were closed! However, once Steve accomplishes his mission he stayed back in the past with Peggy Carter and lived a secret life! The captain America that comes out of the ice is the same captain America from the previous movies aka two Steve Rogers co existing in the main timeline! Once you enter the quantum realm portal you must exist the same way, so when Hulk did not see Rogers come back that confirmed that Steve lived out his life in the main timeline and met them at the same location, time, and date!

[@ZachBobBob]

I've only seen the movie once but how I saw it was how the writers and Coy saw it. Cap returns the stones, the timeline then returns to normal and he lives out his days there until he meets back up with Hulk, Bucky and Falcon as an old man. If he travelled to a different dimension then back to ours wouldn't he have reappeared on the big time travel portal machine?

[@waydigga1982]

This is what i get from time travel in Endgame: The Infinity stones are the glue that hold timelines/realities together. If they are plucked from the main timeline and not put back, alternate timelines are created which could be worse. If someone time travels in general without taking the stones, an alternate timeline is also created minus the devastating impact.

[@spidavenom4]

They explain in the movie cap wouldn’t effect their timeline, just another timeline. Him going back doesn’t effect the past of their timeline all of a sudden. Everything that happened would remain the same. They even explain it in the FFH trailer that Cap didn’t effect anything and the stones created the multiverse where a bunch of other timelines exist.

[@Marcog240sx]

The thing we still not talking is that thanos is dead from the past before the snap happens. So that is a different timeline. What happens there? And what future do they have there since gamora is not there anymore for the guardian of the galaxy.

[@TheModeRed]

The only way any of this works is if going to the past creates a new timeline if anything significant is changed. This is why none of their memories are affected no matter what they do, including putting the stones back.

[@neilvarma]

Great show all and thank you Mantz !!

[@bendfut]

I totally agree with Scott! Let the past die, kill it if you have to. And that’s coming from someone who loves the Sequels so far.

[@namikosugans]

Every single Captain America movie has Steve doing something stupid, reckless, and dangerous to save Bucky. I don't want a Captain America who goes back in time knowing that his best friend is being tortured and brainwashed the entire time he's playing house with Peggy. That sucks.

[@SuperShanko]

Know who else sucks? Peggy.😉

[@namikosugans]

@@SuperShanko 😆

[@patrickkr676]

The question no one is asking is did Steve and Peggie have a kid?

[@bluepearl_22]

Who cares? Even if they did, this would literally have no effect on our timeline.

[@bluepearl_22]

But if they did, I'm pretty sure Cap would've been one hell of a dad lol.

[@DCibener]

Prof. Hulk says it very clearly that changing the past does not alter the present, it simply creates a new reality. That’s why when they say why don’t we go back and kill baby Thanos, he says it’ll make no difference, because going back to the past is still the present. Only in taking an Infinity stone out of the timeline would that then cause immeasurable harm to the timeline it’s from, because the stones keep the balance. Cap staying with Peggy would cause an alternate timeline and would then require him to make another jump back to the other reality (most likely after Peggy passed away) because there’d be no going back (unless he could get another Pim particle). Either way the guy made out with his niece-no way around that one, alternate reality or not. The only way for it to play out as one singular timeline is to argue that going back is now no longer changing things, because all timelines (if unaltered) always turned out the same way, so Cap’s going back is a predestined event, and the past he goes back to runs congruent with the current time, and therefore isn’t technically altering anything; but then you are dealing with Terminator rules and not Back to the Future rules; which, if you look at how Doc reacts to Marty saying his dad had never stood up to Biff in his life, is saying they have created an alternate 1985, just as stealing the almanac in Part II creates an alternate one (change, whether good or bad, creates a new timeline). So Ant-Man is wrong, Back to the Future is not bullshit-it’s actually exactly how Prof Hulk breaks it down, and it’s The Terminator that is in fact wrong.

[@EefjeXD]

I very much enjoyed this episode.

[@videocassette1986]

What the directors said makes more sense according to the explanation in the movie and solve our problems. We don’t need to duel about it. We don’t need to go into Back to the Future kind of thing.

[@TheNamekianClown]

Requiring me to seek out a podcast feed is the reason I dropped TV Talk. Looks like the same will happen with Heroes. And the problem for me with Movie Talk for a while hasn't been it's length, but how long is spent on each topic. That problem remains, but now fewer topics are covered. Not sure what's going on behind the scenes but someone is making terrible decisions. Then for some reason Rule of Two, which is redundant with Jedi Council, gets to be an hour long and on the main channel. Hmmm... I wonder why...

[@jirehbat]

Hey guys, thanks for the conversation and for clarifying some things for me. However, this is still bugging me: why does Bruce say that going back to kill Baby Thanos not do anything? When Rhodey lists movies like Star Trek that dealt with time travel, Bruce said that time travel doesn't work that way. So, if the Avengers had went back in time to try to kill Baby Thanos (without removing any of the infinity stones in order to not create a branch reality, like you clarified) then why shouldn't the events of Infinity War not happen? Why did Bruce say killing Baby Thanos wouldn't solve their problem? Was Bruce just wrong?

[@Bonko78]

I would have to side with *the director* on this one, even though both theories have their own problems. With all due respect to the writers (and anyone agreeing with them), any single-timeline scenario always causes paradoxes. For instance: it would be impossible for Marty McFly to travel 5 minutes back in time to kill his past self just before he travels. However, the idea of an alternate timeline would line up with causality and those paradoxes would disappear. Since all actions have reactions, even if you travel back in time to "just be there", you would _necessarily_ change something, even if it's miniscule. That change would accumulate (i.e the "butterfly effect") and necessarily cause events increasingly different from the timeline you left behind. So, the director's explanation makes more sense in that regard. The only problem with that is that it also means that the future of the Cap who married Peggy is no longer the one that includes Falcon and Bucky waiting by that lake. So, in order for him to find them again, he had to somehow find a way to backtrack along the same exact steps that he used to get there, in order to get back to his original timeline. But since only the final scene with Cap hinges on that, we could also just ignore it and enjoy the movie.

[@torozon4143]

As a man once said "no matter where you go, there you are" explains it all

[@umeamedia]

I really like Perris theory that New Mutants will become a MCU movie. And it avoids a lot of consumer confusion, over here in Sweden the Dark Phoenix trailer that plays before Avengers Endgame is really selling the idea that this is the final X-Men movie, and it is using more clips from the previous movies than Dark Phoenix itself. But if its folded into the MCU it is most likely going to end up being only MCU adjacent like the ABC and Netflix shows. Unless it's a huge hit of course, then the New Mutants will swiftly be recruited by our new professor Xavier and become part of the MCU X-Men.

[@aviellevenstien4517]

How about giving Perri a bumper at the end like Ellis's?

[@nkyryry]

He can’t end up in the snap timeline. 2014 Thanos jumped into the future and died. So his timeline never had a Thanos threat. Duh. All this talk about how removing the stones creates alternate timelines, and they removed Thanos from the past lol. Just as impactful as removing the stones.

[@vegas_party_animal7737]

The only thing that made no sense with Cap was how did he have the shield since he didn't go back in time with it

[@ashley063]

Chris Thorn I feel like he probably took it from the timeline he was in and brought it back to our timeline

[@nickg8349]

Chris Thorn He took it from a different timeline. Now there’s a timeline where cap doesn’t have the shield.

[@vegas_party_animal7737]

Nicholas Grattan do you really see Cap doing something that could potentially cause himself to die in another timeline? Cap has never been the selfish type

[@vegas_party_animal7737]

ashleeytm they made it sound like he stayed in our timeline the entire time

[@MickDansforth]

I was thinking the time travel was explained pretty concisely in the movie. I think you are all hugely confused. Doctor Strange used the Time Stone to save the world so if Hulk took the stone he would create a new reality where Doctor Strange was not able to save the world. It has nothing to do with the Infinity Stone beyond that the stone was important to events that happened. So Steve Rogers marrying Peggy did in fact create a new reality, one in which he probably took on a new identity to fight HYDRA and crime and monsters and whatever, helping Peggy with her SHIELD work. He probably couldn't let HYDRA fester in SHIELD either. (New identity so frozen Steve still gets thawed.) His sense of right and wrong wouldn't allow him to allow others to come to harm, and he understands he can't change the future, only create new realities. And after Peggy's death and the time was right, he jumped back over to his former reality to hand off his shield to Sam.

[@adamdixon8859]

Loki doesn’t take the space stone from that 2012 timeline, he’s just in a different part of the universe in that timeline. Space stone doesn’t allow time travel. So it’s gone from “New York 2012” but still in 2012 where the stone belongs. Either way, his Disney+ show is gonna be interesting as F!

[@skullone4095]

Rodgers was suppose to fix the branches and has as much time to do it. And he has the time stone, and can reverse Loki getting the tesseract and fix the branches. Why is no one realizing this.

[@MrChrisDanger]

but the Disney+ Marvelshows are connected to the MCU they already said that so there will be a effect on both ways not only in the TV-shows it´s effect the upcoming movies later on as well.