Avengers Endgame is Bad Storytelling

[@Silkysmooth-qk5nc]

You don’t read much comics do you?

[@Englandsbestlover]

Silky smooth2000. Many*

[@qkslh6227]

Ask that to MCU Fanboys. None of them read comics. They just praise the shitty films which aren't comic accurate at all, and even if they are, it's pretty forgettable and are not represented by memorable scenes

[@giornogiostar3214]

You don't have to read comics (I do) to tell that endgame is bad story telling.

[@EmoniPrettyGurl]

And the fact that the plot was time traveling was so cliche i got irritated as soon as they brought it up the only good part of the movie was the last 30-40 minutes

[@honeyhotsauce]

Englandsbestlover much* many as in numbers of. Much is as in amount of.

[@batfrog1]

One of the many obvious things that irritate me about the movie and also the reviews, is that nobody considers how the stones could have been used separately as they were being acquired, not only to avoid dependence on the quantum realm, but also to use them during the battle. Can you imagine a non-degraded Hulk holding the power stone? Holy crap, 'Hulk smash' indeed....Better yet, they only really needed the time stone and a return trip to the garden planet to reassemble the original stones. They never even said what the soul stone even does. The marvel train reached the end of the line, and it's a spectacular wreck... It was all due to an incredible lack of Vision. ;)

[@shizzlecrystal5964]

Very good point! But then there wouldn't be a 3 hour long film

[@Stew91]

@batfrog, Guardians of the Galaxy One already established that not many can even hold a single infinity stone and live to tell the tale. Quill is even called by his father, "The man who held an infinity stone and lived".

[@batfrog1]

~Justin Stewart ~ Quill was presumed to be a normal man previous to that. Yeah, they're somewhat vague on the details. RedSkull held the tesseract and he was just the product of a super-soldier program like CaptainAmerica or Hulk. Anyone seems to be able to hold the soul stone so long as they make the sacrifice, JaneFoster was bonded to the reality-stone/ether, Hulk held the time stone in EndGame i think, and i'm sure Thor would have been able to manage wielding some of the stones, and actually used the tesseract to teleport back to their homeworld with Loki. Anyway, something could have been figured out especially with two geniouses like TonyStark and BruceBanner. TonyStarks triangular power device was supposed to be able to store or buffer the power of the infinity stones and hinted at it when he first met Thor, containing the energy from a blast of lightning from Thor's hammer, but i guess they lost sight of that detail for the final movie.

[@blacktortoise6029]

When they were going after the stones, I expected big reiterations of what these babies can do individually/having to overcome previous villains or issues a second time.

[@theredronin9365]

I've seen a lot of people saying the film was a masterpiece. I left the theater very disappointed. The story is a mess riddled with holes. That was the last MCU movie I'll be seeing.

[@freedomkirax1020a]

Never EVER trust people that call ANYTHING, a "Master Piece". They dont know better.

[@emsnewssupkis6453]

It solved all problems via the magic of time travel. Except that is ridiculous. Change just one small thing and a cascade of changes happen, totally out of control. Things NEVER return to 'normal'. It is impossible.

[@toastytopics2614]

Its only a master piece because it has Marvel slapped on the label! Infinity war was a true masterpiece. People are smoking the marketing and label not the concent.

[@brere45678]

Very ridiculous film. Watched it only to wrap up years of these films and was very poor. From the scenes where all the women were standing together in the end battle to all the make-the-rules-as-you-go-along was very poor. Time travel was the easy ticket out of the ending of Infinity War, was done in Days of Future Past and they just repeated it. I do not understand all the great reviews so baffling. Just a reflection on the up and coming generation i guess. How sad.

[@AndreasNicklasson]

I've seen every MCU movie in the theater (Captain Genderstudies doesn't count), but now the MCU is over. I might pick up the blurays, but I doubt I'll ever go to the theater again.

[@demonicsweaters]

The worst thing was Capt's old man ending didn't even make sense with the rules of time travel setup in the movie. There's no way he could be sitting on that bench at the end since him staying in the 1940s would have created an alternate timeline... or if he didn't create an alternate timeline, he would have completely altered the future that he left from. Either way it made no sense at all and was a completely stupid end of that character.

[@ardendragoon]

So does cap go back before or after his younger self gets trapped in the ice. With knowledge of what happen to Bucky, does he sit by and nothing, disguise himself and free him. If so does civil war not happen? So many bloody threads with cap doing that.

[@shark6841]

The Russo’s said that he DID make an alternate timeline and he just return to the main timeline to give the shield to falcon

[@nadiar.b.i856]

Yeah, but how

[@g1xlive900]

@@shark6841 thats not something the director should say....it was not there in the film

[@shark6841]

JoKeEr they might have felt explaining in the movie wouldn’t feel right but idk I think it wraps up nicely

[@lillydee5978]

I was very disappointed too. Captain Marvel added nothing to the story, many characters were out of character, and IMO what they did to Thor is a disgrace!

[@emsnewssupkis6453]

Make Thor Great Again!

[@stephendelong5656]

Agreed. His part was an embarrassment. Including Hulks part. He served no purpose in the film

[@yoshi2413]

There should've been a GRANDE fight a the end which all the Avengers go to face Thanos, and he is pissed, he should've kicked their shit in and to make fans happy they should've had Hulk finish him off, the whole movie was lacking and looked more of a political scene.

[@f.m.4138]

You are so right.

[@mistermr.7830]

Who cares if Captain Marvel didn’t add anything to the story? The story wasn’t about her, it was about the original 6 Avengers. What they did to Thor was humanizing, he was grieving the loss of his family, his people, and half the planet. All that weight he was carrying manifested to real weight he started packing, and in the end learned to not let that emotional weight keep him down.

[@rotoninja]

Instead of time travel, I think they should have introduced The Living Tribunal or someone, where they were upset with Thanos in changes of the universe and continue the story forward, then reverse the "snapture". Oh well.

[@ericmiller5603]

rotoninja Great point. There are many powerful, celestial beings in the comic universe, some of whom would presumably have taken issue with Thanos’ actions. The movie kind of acts like he’s the only super-powerful galactic entity.

[@APerson10003]

Agreed. Also most movie-goers will walk away thinking the ONLY way to use the gauntlet is to now “snap” their fingers. Not only is that not true, but so cliche. All one has to do is will it. They don’t need to “do” a specific thing with the dang gauntlet to make it work. This movie turned the most powerful cosmic item into a stupid Tik Tok meme. -.-

[@TheOneAboveACoupleOfPeople]

Honestly, I wanted Stan Lee to introduced as the One Above All. And then him or the Living Tribunal reversing everything like you said. The Infinity Gauntlet is far beneath their powers.

[@normadgarmez7026]

Now that storyline works better. Sure it's been done to death like many tropes, but it's how creative you get with the trope.

[@billyturner5829]

This movie wasn’t good. Loved Infinity War, but Endgame was an assault on common sense.

[@AndrewKeyz]

I agree. IW was one of the best superhero movies I've seen since TDK trilogy but Endgame just felt like another of the almost two dozen Marvel throwaway movies where you have to switch your brain off. IW had so much heart and drama, especially with Gamora. In Endgame Gamora gets replaced with a 9 year younger Gamora and she knees Quill in his nuts. And Thor gets de-masculined. This movie literally castrates the male superheroes in front of our eyes.

[@ciyoduhkriter]

goes to 5 different points in time to get the stones separately rather than going back to 2018 wakanda when thanos was weakened by thor just before snapping, then they would have all the stones in one place lol this movie man.

[@snoozalssmetz3]

@@ciyoduhkriter They would destroy that timeline. Not to mention the point was to avoid being in contact with themselves (with some unfortunate circumstances that made their plan go side ways). They would not be able to get the stones off of his had at that time. Therefore going back at that time would make the least sense.

[@ciyoduhkriter]

@@snoozalssmetz3 2023 thor cuts off thanos left arm from behind just after 2018 thor slays his chest. There.

[@snoozalssmetz3]

@@ciyoduhkriter Remember, as far as they're concerned, they only have one chance to go back in time and then return to their timeline. So, with the possibility that they may NOT stop Thanos in time (whether it be because they're a second too late or what have you), it would be safer to steal the stones from a timezone in which there are least life threatening obstacles. That....or the show needed a solid hour in its time XD

[@godsofthesingularity8308]

Biggest plothole - Thanos's soldiers followed him because they believed in his vision of making the universe better by wipingo ut half the beings. Then in EndGame Thanos is like... "I'm going to wipe out the whole universe." Wouldn't all of his soldiers been like... "Uhh.... Thanos... we need to talk to you about this new idea for a minute buddy."

[@nonamer29]

Yeah... that could work.... Just say no to Thanos. That fixes your "plot hole".

[@emmarlonogoc3759]

not really the entire universe just earth

[@ToxicBalloon360]

@@emmarlonogoc3759 It was literally the entire universe, what movies have you been watching?

[@moxyblackfiddler]

That's not a plot hole i wish people would stop calling stuff they don't understand or like as a "plot hole". Thanos is a god to his followers. Did you hear the speech by Ebony Maw in Infinity War. He's like a cult figure that they unquestionably follow. And like it was mentioned before. You actually think they're going to say no to him?

[@nikoloznasaridze6328]

@@moxyblackfiddler umm, Thanos may be the strongest and most feared there is, but even the Black Order alone was powerful enough to at least try and fight against Thanos if they didn't like his idea, because Maw literally says that the people Thanos killed are just a sacrifice for a bigger thing and for the rest of humanity. And the Thanos just stands up and says "oh now I'm gonna destroy the whole Universe because I'm evil now" lmaooooo at least Ebony Maw is smart, and others also have their individual minds to understand that Thanos was totally wrong there in every possible way

[@TheDarkOne9942]

Endgame was a disappointment. Infinity War was glorious and set up what could’ve been the best sequel in the MCU. But they rushed it and was a fanservice-fest. It was awful. But the best thing about this is that the MCU, the good one, is over and dead. I have no more investment in Marvel now.

[@toastytopics2614]

Yes sir agreed.

[@alecperdeau650]

Time to invest in the Monsterverse

[@Eighties_Child]

Count me as another who bid the MCU farewell with "EndGame." I got burned out on these films after Civil War in 2016, and since then, I've only watched Black Panther, Infinity War, and now EndGame. I needed closure with this movie to end this fun ride, but I didn't get the closure I needed. So, on one hand, I am very disappointed and frustrated with Marvel with their unfaithfulness to source material, throwing in gratuitous profanity (especially blasphemies) and their typically excessive-and very, very juvenile-humor that ruins otherwise meaningful scenes, turning major characters (i.e., Thor, Hulk, and Cap to a certain extent) into wisecracking clowns who merely function as comedy relief, forcing feminism/political correctness/"diversity" down everyone's throats just to pander to progressivists, etc. However, on the other hand, I also feel a sense of relief, because I know I can let go of this film genre now-and for good. A Marvel universe without Steve Rogers (Chris Evans)-who IS Captain America and who is absolutely irreplaceable-and Tony Stark (Robert Downy, Jr.)-who IS Iron Man and who is absolutely irreplaceable-has no appeal to me whatsoever. Needless to say, it's a very bittersweet and painful farewell because it's so hard to let go of these beloved characters after following their story arcs for 11 stinking years, but enduring loss and learning how to overcome that by the grace and strength of God is very true to life, isn't it? Yes, it sucks, but we still have to move forward. And isn't that sort of the message of EndGame? It's time for us to let go . . . in more ways than one.

[@Johnny-ux7yi]

Not sure what you on but the film succeeds in being a swan song for Iron Man and Captain America. It was not a flawless film and it did have gaps of logic with it's time travel storyline but awful? give me a fucking break dude. Go watch more genuinely bad movies.

[@3dstuff654]

Hello " fellow Fan", so after 23 great movies u don't like one and decide your done with marvel, PLEASE😂 when black widow comes out you'll be signing up for the midnight showing

[@OurDarkGoldenHero]

Finally, someone said it. Endgame was slightly above average, at best. And the time travel plot was out-right dumb. I left the theater hating it, almost.

[@RyuEnGamer]

Yeah EG was just alright for me. Good for a 1x watch. Infinity War was WAY BETTER.

[@RyuEnGamer]

MinatoOnimaru Endgame was purely a fan service film. IW was better writing, character development and story along with the pacing. Endgame was basically Antman 3 and Infinity War version 2.0 at the end. 2/3 of the movie was the heist. One major gripe was that everyone was trying to be the comedian. -_-

[@OmegaMan999]

Odin from Odin's movie blog said it right away. He agrees with you and so do I

[@Uragaking]

*Quantum*

[@saujatyamandal6846]

If somehow time travel is invented in the near future, the time travel plot in endgame will turn out to be the more accurate one.

[@VicAusTaxiTruckie]

Yeah but TONY NEVER HAD TO DIE: Captain Marvel eith her cosmic power could have snapped thanos away wnen Peter gave her the gauntlet. Too many plot holes

[@Stew91]

Maybe Doctor Stranger saw a future where something happened before she could wear the gauntlet. Or maybe she wasn't strong enough to handle it. Infinity War established that there was only *one* way to beat Thanos.

[@centaursam7254]

@@Stew91 but how is it that someone as powerful and invincible as Captain Marvel is not powerful enough to use the gauntlet, but Tony Stark, a mortal human, is ?

[@stevenyoung9473]

yeah - to have a rat flip a switch - without that nothing happens - just too random @@Stew91

[@diobrando5896]

@@Stew91 😂 she's not strong enough to handle it LOL. She's stronger than Hulk apparently

[@Zeriel00]

lol Fuck Captain Marvel! she's a feminists, hateful Mary Sue that doesn't deserve to even be on this movie! She's not that strong either, she's weaker than Thor and Hulk told him only he could handle it. Tony Stark was the only one who could do it in the end because the Stark Gauntlet that had the stones could quickly transfer them to his nanotech Armor without Thanos noticing. Captain Marvel couldn't take on Thanos to even take the Gauntlet. Iron Man Started it and he deserved to finish it! I think this was the right ending.

[@mar1no124]

Well, I felt Endgame was underwhelming. Infinity wars was better. Endgame was not as epic as some said.

[@velkylev4217]

@Victr Silva I personally was not impressed, that last battle was meh

[@roym7228]

was not that special

[@RyuEnGamer]

Agreed. It was basically Ant-Man 3 + Infinity War 2.0.

[@Trazynn]

@@RyuEnGamer But...End Game _is_ Infinity War 2.0

[@RyuEnGamer]

@@Trazynn Haha. Truth. I meant specifically the final battle. It was just a rehash of the IW final battle. Plot wise anyhow.

[@intelkore]

The more you think about it, the worse it becomes.

[@matheuslorens]

and o boi I have been thinking a lot about that movie

[@NPClownumber81googolplex]

Opposite for me

[@DarkZero0609]

Yea, especially having 21 movies being build up to this final arc makes it more disappointing. Is it really the best they can do?

[@GorlicBreadz]

They basically said the orginal Avengers are needed to take down Thanos... *original 6 fucking dies* well... Not only that they ended phase 3 like its the end, we're never seeing these characters again, gave us a stupid big ending and this is only our first big bad in the MCU. Not terrorists in a cave, not Ultron, but THE first big bad in the MCU and they killed off the original six pretty much. Not only that the way they ended it made no sense with the signatures and stuff and there's a story arc coming for Hulk and etc. LULWUT

[@summertyme5748]

Only if you don’t know how to think. 🤔

[@centaursam7254]

Some parts of Endgame made infinity war pointless. Take the gauntlet for example. This movie totally renders the whole nivadellir scene with yitri the dwarf forging special weapons such as the Gauntlet, Mjolinir, and Stormbreaker useless. How can they make a gauntlet out of ordinary metal that can use the stones effectively? It just undoes the story and background it created in the previous movie.

[@centaursam7254]

@The Other Point Of View I have another one. In guardians of the Galaxy the girl that tried to rebel against the collector by holding the power stone got burnt. Quill survived with wounds only because he was half celestial. However in this movie humans are not only able to hold infinity stones but Tony is able to take the force of all six stones and perform the snap, something that greatly weakened Thanos when he did it and also crippled the hulk's arm.

[@tricko8000]

Another one, why tf when Peter goes back to school, everyone is the same age? Shouldn't half of them be like 23?? Far From Home is going to be more fucked because we're going to see all of Peter's friends having the same age they had before the snap...

[@centaursam7254]

@@tricko8000 exactly. I thought about this same thing as I left the theater. I thought Far From Home would now be odd. Everyone is so unaffected in the trailer like Mary Jane, aunt may, and his bestie.

[@GameCat16]

@@tricko8000 Because they all graduated. The only people that should be there now are people who are old enough to still be in high school. The entire environment is foreign to Peter and the others now (hence the important of him seeing his friend - who's name I can't remember).

[@nonamer29]

@@centaursam7254 If you noticed, Nebula & Rhodes don't physically touch the Power Stone, it's encased in the orb that Quill would've taken if he didn't get knocked out. Since Quill in Guardians 1, I haven't seen any human or alien attempt to hold the Power Stone in the MCU. Also, Tony dies from what happens with using the gauntlet. I don't see those as plot holes.

[@h7oda793]

Pretty much all Thor movies in mcu is about him getting humility and/or being a joke (except in infinity war)

[@liampatrick3110]

The Dark World is technically another exception.

[@silvershelbygt500]

Tony-Dead Cap-Retired Thor-Neutered Hulk-Neutered Black Widow-Dead All this was done to make way for all the new wave whamen. I've seen End Game 2 times. Both times the theater Was DEAD QUIET when Captain SJW was on screen and the whole girl power scene during the last battle.

[@WarioPuz0]

There is still a possibility that universal can make their own Hulk movies

[@satnav1980]

You mean bitch fest 2019

[@patrickbernard6640]

Ugh.. that all-women scene made me cringe.. it was so forced and out of place.. the way that Disney is pushing Danvers to be the ultra mega powerful new leader, it didn't make sense because Cpt Marvel apparently doesn't need any help because she's so OP anyway.. Thor and Hulk were f*cking nerfed and lost their balls..

[@TheGeorgeD13]

Well, my theatre erupted in cheers both times I went when that A-Force thing happened. I don’t really get being upset by a little scene like that.

[@TheGeorgeD13]

Thor really wasn’t neutered. He was a broken man that by the end has found some semblance of peace. Similar thing with Hulk. That’s not being neutered at all. And yeah, the Original Six, outside of Thor are done in the MCU, it’s time for a new generation of heroes. The original six actors weren’t going to do this forever.

[@julianmarco4185]

A youtuber named the Fourth Age said it best. These characters that die in the comics, they do not really come back. They are just new characters with new skins for whatever the writers or the new agenda is. They wanted to replace them and it did not work so well because it was too quick, now they are making then unbearable and unlikable to the point that they get the audience they want. Marvel wants a new audience and normal fans are not a part of it. Maybe some fringe 1% of the people or less but that's it. The comics have basically turned only in publicity for the movies. That is it. Stories are completely thrown out.

[@JJ-yi7kr]

Oh thank you another The Fourth Age listener.😁 I was starting to feel a little alone.

[@wizmanballin8498]

+Julian Marco - lol..I just finished watching his video. And he's telling the truth.

[@leaiplussize]

the quote you found is well said and true of the MCU and the engame movie

[@leaiplussize]

the quite you used is so true amen on that.

[@TheSpawnfan]

Fourth Age, eh? i think i will subscribe to him

[@jackalope2302]

What do we do? We create new stuff. The Boys is a sign of things to come. I agree that BW, Thor and Hulk got the shaft, big time.

[@jackalope2302]

@@truthoftheuniverse4179 Nothing lasts.

[@fun-with-purpose1436]

Marvel is dead and gone.

[@stephendelong5656]

Big time. The two most powerful avengers, not Captain Marvel.

[@AkiRa22084]

Hope for Alita 2...

[@leocmen]

Hulk? I saw Shrek...

[@yelpboi3658]

Instead of Infinity War they should have made a solo Thanos movie. It would cover most of what Infinity War did with thanos’s character but explored him more. Then this year instead of Endgame we should have got Infinity War which should be 3 hours long so it can focus heavily on character arcs coming to an end and the film would not have to spend much time on Thanos because the Thanos solo movie and it would spend more time on the Avengers. Next year we should have got Endgame.

[@dragonknightleader1]

A two hour character study of Thanos would have been more coherent.

[@FUNNYMANERICWHITE]

Agreed

[@arshad_nazran]

Yup. Instead of a shoehorned CM movie. That doesn't make sense at all.

[@artzarr5032]

But truthfully we all was getting burnt out with this superheros stuff. Infinity War redefined the greatest of MCU with it's storytelling and excellent use of so many main actors and superheros. It sold all that money because of its storytelling alone. Also Black Panther and Civil War making all the money it made for great storytelling added to Infinity War. Ragnarok was good too. But Ragnarok didn't make as much money as the others. Now in End Game, they just retired or killed off the main character that carried the Avengers. Generating a s*** lot of revenue is why they make these movies. The NEW faces of the Avengers have to start from scratch with the exception of the success of Black Panther. If they can continue to write great stories and have character development with Captain Marvel and spiderman solo Movies Dominating the theaters, they can make another successful Avengers movie with the new faces. However, you take out Tony Stark, Thor and Cap and nobody will care about the new Avengers. Unless Captain Marvel 2 and spiderman 2 dominates the box office in solo Movies. Something they DIDN'T do in their first outing! With the new faces, Avengers 4 will flop and that will be the END.

[@Veldtian1]

@@artzarr5032 and good riddance.

[@matthewedwards6025]

The inconsistencies brought up by the Ancient One appearance are a result of having time travel as a major plot hook. If you're going to do that, it must be planned out from the first movie, which in this case it obviously wasn't. When you tack on time travel at the end as a plot device, it creates all sorts of inconsistencies in previous movies.

[@toastytopics2614]

You sir hit it on the head. Its like Man of Steel never meant to be in a universe. Then out of the blue their is a universe and then it was. And they tried make sense of it and rushed the process. Marvel got greedy or lazy here. It really pisses me off because I wanted nothing more but for this long successful series to close out strong and well written. But nope and just think, Thor was over powered in infinity war beating a Thanos equipped with the Gauntlet w/ all stones and End game a gauntletless Thanos defeats not one Thor, but Capt and Iron man? Wtf just happened here. Bad writing and poor direction. Sad day my friend.

[@toastytopics2614]

@The Other Point Of View Really good points. So can we say we are glad its over? I would say hell yes. Its over and Im happy about it. This movie got Last Jedi'ed!

[@dragonchr15]

They should have just made the avengers chase thanos across the cosmos and kill him in another epic battle, and undo the damage he did instead of this convulted time travel mess. The same ending with iron man sacrificing himself would have worked. Or maybe have Captain do it instead.

[@rumrunner8019]

Plus after the first Avengers, Tony had a vision of everyone dying fighting Thanos on his "space stage" that he had in the Infinity Gauntlet comic book. But in this movie, it is just a repeat-battle of the last one in Wakanda that was so absurd. It was a real disappointment for fans of the comic. And the whole issue of leaving out the real star of the story: *Mistress Death*

[@sakuracardcaptor4709]

I love Thor and the Hulk and this stupid movie butchered their characters. It killed them. T^T

[@henryjenkins2839]

Jason Moore They neutered them so they wouldn’t outshine Brieee Larson.

[@toastytopics2614]

Yup. So Thor was less powerful now? And Thanos didn't even have the gauntlet that didn't make sense.

[@lordpepy]

Henry Jenkins she was barely in the movie

[@henryjenkins2839]

Vroom Vroom She shouldn’t have been in it to begin with!

[@toastytopics2614]

Butchered is going easy on it. Its like DC got a hold of them and said " Well make these characters work in our benefit!"

[@the_flyattractor8656]

The MCU doesn't really have to try any more. The Marvel Fans are going to blow all their money on these movies no matter the quality of the movie.

[@velveetaslingshot]

Even Mark Hammill said it..."The movie doesnt have to be good, it just has to make a lot of money."

[@SourClout]

Right, so many people riding the hype can't even analyze the movie.

[@OmegaMan999]

Not me, brah. I'm bailing. I'll never get Disney +

[@freebie641]

Major plot hole, where does past Nebula get enough Pym particles to not only go back to the present herself but also shrink Thano's ship down for quantum time travel to the present. Minor plot hole, how come people seem to be able to hold infinity stones without dying. To quote Ego "When I heard that you held an infinity stone in your hand and survived , I knew you must be my son". Hawkeye didn't even realise that he was holding the Soul stone!!!!

[@reecebarron5154]

MinatoOnimaru stark doesn’t know how to make pym particles, so if he’s stark level that doesn’t make sense

[@nikoloznasaridze6328]

Yeah. People say that only Power Stone is destructive, but Ego had no idea that it was the Power Stone that Quill held. And if he knew, he would have said it, but he said AN INFINITY STONE, so any one of them would be able tp destroy it's holder until he/she is immortal. Damn even Tesseract burned Red Skull and his plane and the Space Stone was just inside of it

[@ItachiUchiha-ut6xj]

Finally an honest review.

[@King-mg7vy]

Riiiiight, as if the people who liked it, we're dishonest. Can you people learn some new lyrics.

[@ItachiUchiha-ut6xj]

@@King-mg7vy can you not put words in my mouth? I was referring to acces media who shill for every Marvel movie. Where did i say everyone who liked it was being dishonest?

[@King-mg7vy]

@@ItachiUchiha-ut6xj it was implied. He gave a negative review of the movie, thus it's "honest". As opposed to someone giving it a positive review, praising it instead of crapping on it. No, they're shills, they're being "paid" to say good things about it. Like I said, learn some new lyrics, you people sing this song every year. No ones listening.

[@ItachiUchiha-ut6xj]

Hahahah i didn't know you were a mind reader. Stop arguing against what you think i'm saying and listen to what i'm actually saying. And what do you mean 'you people'? You literally don't know anything about me. Hahaha wtf

[@mctaylor0307]

So everyone who really liked it, like me.....were all just lying or blind, he? You guys are some arrogant pricks, ya know? Forget you guys.

[@norsegilr2280]

this movie was a huge slap to the fans of Gamora and Loki, so you were invested into the development of these characters, but now they gave the fans some Alternate Universe Gamora and Loki that you have no connection with🙄

[@andrewfox4946]

Norsegilr22 Loki is dead. When captain America returned the stones it got rid of the alternate timeline where Loki escapes with the teaser act

[@andrewfox4946]

Anand Khorana no, when they went back further back it stopped the first alternate timeline where Loki escaped from happening

[@andrewfox4946]

LazyAnnihilator he put it back in 1970, therefore Loki never stole it in 2012 because everything played out as normal

[@warzonemoments3970]

@@andrewfox4946 it can't stop. This is not back to the future. I made the same mistake. Everytime they change an event from a timeline it creates a new timeline unless they reset/return that event. 2012 loki took the teserrect and created a new alternate timeline. Cap travelled back in time to the OG timeline to get the teserrect from howard stark. This created a new timeline too. However when cap returned the stones he went back to the howard stark time and returned the stone so there was no howard stark timeline created where the stone was missing but he never returned to the 2012 time to correct what happened to loki

[@andrewfox4946]

Extinction at the end of the movie fixed it so there were no alternate timelines

[@RCCarDude]

A story with them going back in time and each using one of the stones to defeat Thanos would've been a more fulfilling narrative. Imagine Hulk wielding the Power Stone, Tony using the Soul Stone, etc. Also, Thor's abdication from his birthright really rubbed me the wrong way. This is a character with nobility and they just made him a craven drunk fat nothing.

[@Veldtian1]

they took away Hulk's unrestrained masculinity and now he's like a good natured Zoloft quaffer.

[@michaeljames8218]

Veldtian1 He reminded me of a neutered Shrek.

[@Rankbaajin]

Tony Stark discovers time travel whilst doing the dishes and builds time machine.....can't build a dishwasher

[@AndrewKeyz]

LMAO.

[@JJ-yi7kr]

I think EndGame was what the studio wanted,not what the directors,writers or actors would have wanted. I don't think we will ever see another 20 film arc like this again. The last film had moments but was just an ugly mess beneath all the normie fan service.

[@louisjwiese5515]

I really hope Hemsworth leaves the MCU. I cannot stand for them emasculating Thor in the MCU as they did to him in the comics.

[@WinterSoldier37]

Louis J Wiese Chris Hemsworth is the one who pushed for a more fun and less serious Thor, because he’s more of a jokester himself and wants to play that way.

[@metaljacket8128]

WinterSoldier37 Then he's a fool who knows nothing about storytelling. Should've stuck to acting.

[@WinterSoldier37]

Metal Jacket Don’t think he gives a toss, he’s a a dude bro and enjoys playing one.

[@david10006]

@@WinterSoldier37 that's exactly right, he wanted to keep going in the Ragnarok direction even farther in comedy. I like Hemsworth a lot but I wonder if he really even knows Thor from the comics at all.

[@mos6507]

To be honest, Hemsworth's true calling is comedy. It may have been out of place in Endgame but he is naturally funny, maybe even funnier than Chris Pratt. The first time I saw him like that was the promotion, I think it was for Ragnarok, a viral promotion where he was hanging out with a normal guy. Thor Lebowski seems to be an outgrowth of that, of Thor trying to assimilate into today's culture. If you decouple Hemsworth from the MCU he has a great future ahead in comedy like this.

[@bibby42]

THANK YOU!!! Immediately after I watched Endgame, my first thought was that Infinity War was better. Endgame did not flow nearly as well, it did not give me this excitement that I got with Infinity War. It was overly hyped, and the sequels to Black Panther, Spiderman, Dr. Strange and Guardians of the Galaxy all made it less of an impact simply because we knew they were 100% coming back. I'm not even invested in a Black Widow movie now that the character has "died." This is a film that should have already been made and released before Endgame. Way too many plot holes. There were a lot of moments I liked, but overall I wouldn't put it in my top 5 Marvel films.

[@kingjohnny7215]

Agreed

[@ollytherev2957]

bibby42 there’s no plot holes. You just couldn’t keep up

[@bibby42]

@@ollytherev2957 There are a lot, you're just too simple to have caught them.

[@ollytherev2957]

bibby42 name one.

[@bibby42]

@@ollytherev2957 Why? So you can just bitch around everything I say? No thanks. Go away now.

[@mighty_wolf]

Agreed 100% that Falcon America is not deserving at all. Should've been Bucky.

[@jennydevic]

Remember, Iron Man was angry that Cap used the shield to defend Bucky, and so he tossed it away and that other weapon. When the two were united, he made it for Cap. Cap probably didn't want to give it to Bucky since he did kill Stark's parents. It doesn't make Bucky less of a hero than when Cap went without it during Infinity War.

[@mighty_wolf]

@@jennydevic I get that. But Bucky is way better choice to continue as the new Cap

[@mighty_wolf]

@@Jay-iq2ei But Falcon is a buffoon with no super soldier serum. Bucky may not be as trustworthy as Cap but he can be closer to the real Cap than Falcon ever will.

[@WinterSoldier37]

An American Veteran or a reformed former worldwide terrorist? I doubt the American public would prefer Bucky over Falcon.... My only issue is that Falcon is arguably better off with his suit and flight, he’s not enhanced for hand to hand combat!

[@StudioDragoonX]

I agree that Falcon should at least have super solider serum. But a buffoon he's not.

[@intelkore]

While this was a good movie, it had problems. The complexity of Infinity War could easily have fuelled a solid and simpler story in Endgame. I feel EG deserved more. IMO: - the main story and character development were not great - there are plot holes throughout, and - it's as if viewers must abandon logic because the infinity stones (and Stark/Pym tech) mean that almost everything can be fixed - far too many unnecessary/unrelated sub-plots, and a lot of underused/ignored ideas.

[@99problemzbutwelfareaint12]

Good as an event, but horrible as a storytelling narrative and disrespectful to Hulk, Thor, Bucky, etc. This film won't age well, and the MCU will become a gimmick in the next couple of years. Its over!

[@thanujadamithangani7265]

@@99problemzbutwelfareaint12 Yeah just like what happened to Avatar. It was the highest grossing film of all time (2019-2019) but it didn't aged well even if it has great VFX. I'm having a feeling the same thing will happen to Endgame.

[@sakuracardcaptor4709]

Bucky should have been the new Captain America.

[@DispelBreaker]

Absolutely! Bucky took over the shield way before Sam did. Plus Sam is just a regular dude with tech in the MCU. I also HATED even the reason of cap saying hail Hydra. That pissed me off more than a little!

[@Moviemaniac174892]

He should have been but 2019 diversity but I'm sure bucky will be black cap's assistant

[@toastytopics2614]

Bucky was summed up to shooting and head nodding Falcon to talk to old captain.

[@airanimations1906]

That’s the only thing I agree is bad about end game

[@henryjenkins2839]

Always watching Captain America was branded a criminal in Civil War too so.........

[@mariogreen2213]

What do we do? We look to and support Indy creators who are staying true to the hero myth and bringing in new energy into the medium

[@Adog13]

This

[@evertonporter7887]

Watch Babylon 5. Though the effects are dated now, it's still a great example of good storytelling, especially seasons 2-4.

[@Adog13]

terrible analysis @John. Beimheim

[@Adog13]

@John. Beimheim Oh I understand. You're so clearly skull-dented you don't deserve much more than 2 words. You truly think massive corporations represent independent creators. Now. In. 2019. You're a joke. Also who do you think you are to tell some stranger on the internet what to comment? Get off your high horse you fool among men and welcome to the internet, where your asinine comments are free to be scrutinized on a public forum forever for the world to see.

[@Adog13]

If you don't understand... ask, but don't make some negligible comment.@John. Beimheim

[@ianpaullbailey]

I’m so glad you made this review, i also thought it wasnt quality enough, could have been better. i like what you said i may add more, but thank you!

[@josephmonroy3865]

If the next phase of the MCU is gonna mimic the current comics... I'm done. Not entirely satisfied (thor, hulk and bucky not getting the sheild), but good with this ending. It's not a good time in the comics industry and that will reflect on screen.

[@Bullkthx]

As impossible as it seems that a cinematic juggernaut like the MCU could ever shit the bed, I sadly have to agree. The MCU is going to "get woke, go broke" you just cant hamfist agenda into these movies without sacrificing quality, and I think they're going to double down and do it. Just look at captain marvel. Shes even more of an overpowered Mary Sue than Rey, with no sign of any weaknesses in sight. When Thanos Headbuts her and she doesn't even flinch? Ugh. Get the fuck out of here Marvel. Jesus christ.

[@Chaplain_Bishop]

There's nothing good about this movie. It's the same garbage Disney pulled with Star Wars. "Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to" might as well as been the slogan of the movie. This was an absolute, pointless destruction of the characters, as opposed to actually trying to be like the comics, and letting the characters continue on with their lives, as heroes, outside of the Avengers. When Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, etc had left the Avengers, in the comics, they were still Captain America, Iron Man and Thor, and doing Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor crap. This is just the same mistake the new Star Wars series has made, trying to force characters that you're not going to like down your throat, and force you to forget the ones you've become attached to, for over a decade. These Ultimates based characters were deeply flawed, to begin with; this just made everything irreparably worse.

[@Stew91]

@Zer0dog Exactly; anything youtube commenter seething at the mouth.

[@Stew91]

@@Chaplain_Bishop "At least I'm a commenter" that can spell". Ah yes; the old, "You can't spell" argument, for when people have no other way to counterattack someone else's points. Truly pathetic.

[@Chaplain_Bishop]

@@Stew91 and you still can't grow up, move on, and get over the fact that I'm not going to bend the knee, and capitulate to your opinion.

[@Stew91]

@@Chaplain_Bishop Aaaaaw, aren't you just adorable relying on insults. How cute. Dismissed.

[@alceratops6853]

@@Chaplain_Bishop Saltiest comment I've seen all day, XD!

[@stephendelong5656]

I have to agree. The emotional scenes missed the mark. Professor hulk was useless in the movie. Captain Marvel was able down and fat Thor was not funny. For a 3 hour movie it still seemed it jumped to the end without really delivering anything.

[@booooboooo2010]

Why is that Marvel has to depower characters in order to empower other characters? Why that strategy? I mean you can show Captain Marvels power and you can also show Hulk's power. Makes no sense. Hulk was completely neutered. In comics, Professor Hulk has battled Superman in a crossover showing his strength, has Banner's brilliant mind, and regenerates. None of those qualities were showcased in this movie. I understand MCU is not comics, but Hulk hardly made a contribution...at all. A segment of the fan base will be turned off, like myself, and I think Marvel has made a miscalculation. I agree, the movie has it's moments but I was very disappointed.

[@Stew91]

Hulk wasn't depowered; they just didn't show him much. And besides; the movie did a good job of showing that while Captain Marvel is powerful, she can't rip out Thanos's heart and call it a day, like so many rabid MCU fans were claiming would happen, before End Game was released.

[@david10006]

because that's basically how modern feminism works, be "empowered" by making males appear weaker or useless while making the females less feminine and more masculine. that's road Marvel is taking no matter how many old fans they lose in the process, the comics went the same way and they're almost bankrupt now.

[@Stew91]

@@david10006 The male characters in the movie weren't useless.

[@stevenyoung9473]

no - they weren't claiming that would happen - they were concerned that it would happen - not the same thing at all - and the fact is that the film showed that she almost did but the directors knew that a lot of the audience wouldn't like it so they pulled back - the Captain Marvel character provides nothing meaningful that other characters couldn't do - except that she is female and they want her to be the leader of the all female/black/gay future so they just shoe horn her in to foreshadow whats coming in future movies - there is simply no logic to her character at all - not even 2 dimensional never might 3 dimensional - and yes - the Hulk and Thor were trashed - I get it - the directors and the two actors probably sat around spitballing what they thought were fun ideas - but they had no real respect for the actual characters - or in Thors case the arc he had been on in the previous 5 movies - it was like those films never happened - and just don't start me on the crappy Professor Hulk - after all the set up in Infinity War they do that - just lazy - plus Professor hulk has only one purpose and that is to deliberately depower him - people with no actual creativity can't see anything in the Hulk character beyond him just turning and raging so they make things like Professor Hulk - but they are missing the point an so many opportunities by a mile - also- they said themselves that they wanted to depower him as they think having OP characters isn't good....and then they bring in OP Cap. Marvel - ok - so that makes sense - In infinity War they made a big song and dance about the Hulk not showing but then they just didn't do anything about that - so it is clear that they didn't really have a coherent plan - they were just doing things that they considered funny or cool of the top of their heads and then just moved on to the next 'cool/funny' thing - and then when later they had to resolve a lot of the issues created by the 'cool/funny' thing they just went for cheap fixes - it is clear that the only real over all plan (or instrruction from Disney) was to just get rid of or trash most of the white male characters to make way for the all female/black/gay future ones - with maybe the odd token straight white male as the butt of jokes or villain or something @@Stew91

[@ericfrancisco6615]

Friends and coworkers criticized me for over analyzing the plot elements of Endgame. They just can't look past the feels train and think hard as to what the time traveling hijinks ramifications will do as we enter phase 4. But since they're going for the All New All Different Marvel iteration, it's safe to say that without some oversight on the upcoming movies, it could become a hot mess if not planned out carefully because of their obsession to deconstruct and pander to the casuals expectations.

[@TheMovieWatcherClub]

I think it's already safe to say it'll be a hot mess... the storytelling and plot development is quite bad in this movie. I get that it's an end to a 10+ year saga... but they shouldn't get to write down a bunch of non-coherent plot elements, put them together and call that a "good movie"

[@TheConqueror009]

Endgame was terrible over all, even the storytelling was ok but the various influences and underlying agenda that is being projected onto society is a great threat and has no place in cinema. Marvel and Disney should be boycotted

[@josiahtrelawny5327]

I would not go that far but I agree with you

[@AngelaRichter65]

I've been reading comic books, seriously since 1974. I will live with my collection and memories and encyclopedic knowledge of the X-Men and Avengers. I refuse to settle for less than because they don't want to hire the talent to take them to the next level. After End Game I'm done with the MCU.

[@evertonporter7887]

Sounds like Star Wars all over again!

[@Paugose]

There are two Marvel characters whose films have completely DESTROYED them, Cyclops, and Thor.

[@comicfannicolas3645]

Scott got it worse, he's not even a character in the X-men movies. 95% of his purpose in the movies is cock blocking Wolverine.

[@danielcraig9666]

To be fair they've been fucking Scott in the comics since the late 90's.

[@UziGameGP]

And HULK

[@Paugose]

@@UziGameGP Depends, I thought that Universal's Incredible Hulk was a great adaptation of Bruce Johnes' work, but I agree on what Marvel Studio did to him.

[@nadirkarim7728]

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[@erindinneen9653]

Great video and dissection of this lost MCU opportunity. Yes it will make huge $$$, but as a movie/storytelling a magnanimous failure.

[@TheMovieWatcherClub]

indeed...

[@SourClout]

Facts

[@Hound831]

I'm shocked the dislike button hasn't been nuked already by fans. Guess most understood the truth.

[@ShadowMask1995]

I did'nt like that they killed off Thanos in the beginning, it makes IW Thanos pointless.

[@dragonknightleader1]

It's the ultimate "writing yourself out of a hole." They set up this near-invincible dragon (Stormbringer was the only thing that actually hurt him), but realized that the Infinity Gauntlet was a legitimized version of "I have the power to have all the powers I want," so the script requires Thanos get rid of them, even though he spent half his life or more getting the damn things in the first place. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIGkapWBr5egm6s

[@madscientist916]

Thanos had the time stone. I don't know why he couldn't have checked the future for threats. Destroying the stones and hoping that that makes everything locked in seems rather shortsighted for a guy who did so much planning and work to make his goal happen. He basically locked the door and threw away the key expecting no one could ever have a new key made or bring a lock pick, and he had the tools to see if anyone would ever do either and didn't bother checking.

[@wowzers94]

Totally agree about losing interest going forward in the MCU. I was so bummed Bucky didn't get the shield!

[@leaiplussize]

me to hate what happened to bucky hate it hated it

[@jacquecortez5014]

Time Travel ruins story telling.

[@LavishPatchKid]

Agree, completely. It is the most popular crutch of lazy writers.

[@MercuryAlphaInc]

*Bad Time Travel ruins story telling. With good Time Travel, you can do some amazing things. But you have to think things through.

[@thanujadamithangani7265]

Only Back to the Future and the Terminator has really good time traveling storytelling. They are way more better than Endgame's.

[@vincentwerts4724]

I agree about Sam taking up the shield but for a different reason. I feel like Falcon is an awesome character on his own, and he should be allowed his own character. Bucky should have taken up Caps shield because it makes more sense thematically and narratively. I definitely loved the scene where Wanda got some revenge on Thanos. That worked for me.

[@leaiplussize]

you are 100% right on why the MCU killed off black window ,and I feel wokeness is the reason they would not give bucky the shield. I am done with Marvel.

[@marvelpugs6964]

you calling Black Widow, Black Window, tells me all i need to know

[@newfound_adventures]

Infinity War was 50 times better. That and more family friendly.

[@METALLIFY16]

Family friendly is what killed this universe dude. More jokes because 'muh kids'.

[@ouroboros0311]

Well, we all knew it was coming since Infinity War... That was the actual ending of the MCU.

[@BagzAndPresident]

Cesar Molina it’s not over there are more movies

[@SunnyOddny]

there is gonna be alotttt of more Movies dude.

[@RealRoknRollr3108]

Would've preferred 3 hours of Ronin and The Widow fighting Yakuza anyday

[@WinterSoldier37]

The upcoming current solo roster is Guardians 3, Spiderman 2, Black Panther 2, Doctor Strange 2, and Captain Marvel 2, and likely Ant-Man 3. Most of those have solid foundations to work off, plus whatever new characters they introduce. If they keep the quality up, no reason the MCU won’t continue to thrive.

[@WinterSoldier37]

llriv I’d say they’re about at Par, the lowpoints are still Thor 2 and Avengers 2 for most people. Black Panther, Spiderman, and Guardians are well liked, and most people are fine with Doctor Strange and Ant Man. Captain Marvel is the only mixed bag.

[@romanumeralz]

They ‘Last Jedi’d’ it. 🗑

[@toastytopics2614]

AWESOME! You hit it. Its like the film makers were on crack in a state of carelessness. Total flip vs Infinity war.

[@spndusk2362]

Agreed they really did. Only if you tell major marvel fanboys that they lose their sh*t. But it's the truth.

[@kaylamolino3223]

@@spndusk2362 ,There sensitive minds can't handle the truth,.

[@spndusk2362]

@@kaylamolino3223 if they go back and rewatch every movie back to back in the MCU before Endgame they will likely realize nothing made sense. All the main characters were assassinated and disrespected. And the woke moments will be glaringly obvious. Phase Woke has already arrived. This film disrespected the MCU in every way that Last Jedi disrespected Star Wars.

[@evertonporter7887]

The Fandom Menace III has begun....

[@darthdank1993]

My big issue. Infinity war thanos reversed time. End game, past cant be changed. Ok but the time stone can so why not use it to reverse everything fixing the time issues, bringing back black window, saving stark and fat thor and hell askardians and loki. If they cant explain why or the stones limitations....in dr strange there were able to reverse a city decimation.

[@Bladezeromus]

If you reverse time to bring Widow back then there is no soul traded for the soul stone so they'd never get it in that timeline.

[@aredblip1315]

@@Bladezeromus Ok but what about reviving Tony after the snap OR making Thor slim again so he can beat no gauntlet Thanos?

[@velkylev4217]

But if they reverse time on Tony would the snap be reversed as well ??? Someone has to do the snap or Thanos gest back ??? Or they can isolate Tony and only reverse him ?

[@darthdank1993]

Velky Lev if you reverse time undoing the first snap there is no need for a second one thus neither tony or scarlet or anyone else needs to be sacrifices. This theory is focused on getting only the time stone to go back 5 years, if they take the stones before thanos destroys them they can undo the snap and destroy them themselves with no other time traveling. As for healing tony, thought about that too...i would think these stones could heal but since thanos was still damaged whn they found him i guess not?

[@velkylev4217]

@@darthdank1993 oh lol , ye I forgot about the first snap . Yes, they could just use time stone to reverse this shit .

[@Soothsayer74]

I agree with a lot of what you said. I was disappointed with how they treated Thor in particular. It felt like he was just one big joke throughout the whole movie. There were also a lot of unanswered questions for me. Also felt the same way with what you said about how Cap passed the mantle to Falcon. They were good friends but it wasn't true to the arc with respect to Bucky. I don't agree with you about how Cap should of have hooked up with Sharon though, because in my opinion him being romantically involved with Peggy's niece just felt wrong and disrespectful considering she had just died when they got together in Civil War. All in all I enjoyed the movie but it wasn't the perfect wrap up I was hoping for and there are holes in some of the conclusions. I'm of the same opinion that I'm probably done with being a steadfast fan of Marvel movies because it's obvious to me too which road they plan to go down from here. Good video, I like your channel.

[@WinterSoldier37]

Russell Jones I don’t see Americans accepting a former Terrorist as Captain America over Sam, who is an American veteran. However, Sam is not enhanced for hand to hand combat, so would do better sticking to the skies with his suit.

[@Soothsayer74]

@@WinterSoldier37 I understand what you mean but to be fair he had been brainwashed etc, also Bucky had served the US in WWII and unless Sam is going to take a dose of super serum I can't see him being a convincing Captain America and also what happens to the character of Falcon? It just seems a bit undeserved and messy but maybe they can find a way to make it work

[@terrolex]

Hey if you liked Thor from Ragnarok this is the continuation, he hot potatoed asguard to someone else to become comedian, sad

[@aussiewanderer6304]

Cap staying in the past would have made more sense if the following happened: - Cap returns the stones in the past, the return of the soul stone resurrecting Black Widow - Cap's only got one suit to time travel with so gives up his suit to let her return to the future, sending his shield back with her. - we close his story with seeing him dancing in the past with Peggy.

[@marcelomn8000]

Agreed with all your negatives. Specially with the concept of getting characters out of the way with some obvious diverse substitutes (curious how everybody has daughters, never sons) The MCU should end here. Moving forward will do the same they did to Star Wars in the sequels.

[@TheMovieWatcherClub]

lol many people did not see the anti-masculinity in the movie.

[@marcelomn8000]

This is only my opinion. I acknowledge and respect other people’s opinions

[@Bullkthx]

@@TheMovieWatcherClub it doesn't even have to be painted as anti masculinity, they Nerfed Thor and the Hulk and made Captain marvel into a God. It doesn't work. And if you are familiar with the source material than it REALLY doesn't work.

[@nikoloznasaridze6328]

@@Bullkthx lmao yeah. They literally said that Thanos was unbeatable in 1v1 without the stones like 2 years earlier and in Endgame he was beaten by both Wanda and Carol. While Thanos can actually take them both at the same time and win not because any of them are not powerful, but because of Thanos' monstrous and destructive strength, durability and also his excellen mind, experience and skills. And what they did to Thor was also a disaster. The movie only had two good characters, Nebula and Natasha, both women, they never cared about the men. Endgame was all about comedy and feminism

[@tsohgallik]

"Bad Storytelling" thank God, someone agrees and has a video.

[@amwsmiles]

Yeah, it was really bad. There were so many plot-holes, 2 hours of boring exposition and nonsense, so many legacy characters turned to shit, just a stupid betrayal of everything IW built up. 90% of this movie was boring or forced emotional moments. Man, was this movie disappointing.

[@36090pburke]

What plot holes?

[@amwsmiles]

@@36090pburke Time travel. Everything about it.

[@36090pburke]

@@amwsmiles time travel isnt a plot hole lol what's hard to understand if u travel back in time it doesn't change your timeline but created a new strand that branches off from where the change occurred lol

[@36090pburke]

@@amwsmiles u have a hard time with time travel but u literally paid to watch a movie about space magic and a talking raccoon and people with superpowers lmao

[@amwsmiles]

@@36090pburke How did Cap end up in the same timeline when he went back to the past and stayed with Peggy?

[@jkincaid582]

Aside from the obvious “clearing the way for SJWs” this film had such awful pacing issues and inconsistencies. There was no clear antagonist until the final act. They cut Thanos’s head off in the first 20 minutes. They were no longer fighting against him or his followers (also all dead) so there was nothing there to actually raise the stakes. So the pacing was slow and I found myself bored in an action adventure comic book film. Past Thanos is suddenly promoted to main antagonist for the final act cause otherwise Banner would have snapped his finger and the film would have ended.

[@TheMovieWatcherClub]

haha good take on this... I hadn't thought of that! I heavily criticized the storytelling and some plot elements but I didn't think of how boring that plot is until you said it like that.

[@Radical_Larry]

I don't plan on watching anymore mcu films after this one, this left a bad taste in my mouth after watching it. So many plotholes, it feels rushed/incomplete at certain points, pacing is slow, and so much wasted potential. (Sorry if this isn't very coherent but I was just ranting at this point) They could've shortened the depression at the beginning and shortened the time travel sequence. Then made it a race between thanos and the avengers to get the infinity stones, and then made a big battle between thanos and the avengers both using the infinity stones they both acquired against each other with the avengers eventually retrieving all the infinity stones. Then after beating thanos, instead of killing him they talk to him and (somehow) convince him that what he's doing is not right. Then he joins the avengers and there would be an end credit scene introducing Galactus which thanos and the avengers would eventually fight. Also thanos was way more powerful than he should've been, he shouldn't have been able to stand up against captain marvel without the stones. And might I add that they changed thanos from being power hungry to calling it a 'temptation' back to power hungry? And not only that but the whole "I'll destroy the universe and create a new one and enjoy doing it" or whatever he said was very unnecessary and didn't even feel like thanos? It's like they took the idea of thanos trying to make a grateful universe and injecting steroids in it. And back to the time travel bit, there's continuity errors in there too! First they say time traveling into the past and messing it up won't do anything, then the lady (forgot her name) says that taking the stones will change the course of time and blah blah so much wrong with all of that. Ahhhhhg!!!!!!!!! This film just makes me angry

[@roboatnick6178]

I agree about the Tony Stark character arc. That was good. But Thor was cringeworthy. If it wasn’t bad enough seeing Thor with a huge gut, drinking beer, and acting pathetic-they made it worse with the Big Lebowski reference. Now, I love that film, but when I saw the resemblance with Thor in his bath robe, I was groaning inside. To make it worse, they had to place him on a California beach at the end-the same one in the Big L-and I honestly almost expected ashes from a coffee can. WTF writers?! I also agree about the ending with the Falcon. Why does Bucky not get the shield? He deserves it! The poor man has been through such an ordeal. He has also been Cap’s best friend AND he has similar powers! I like the Falcon as the Falcon. But his powers come from his suit! Is he going to fly in a repainted Falcon suit and carry the shield? Now on the subject of feminism: this movie seemed actually anti-female! Capt Marvel, for all the hoopla, did next to nothing! Instead; the women HEROES that have been there all along got very short shrift! Black Widow’s end was not only undeserved and unsatisfying, she also has NO memorial! Tony gets a big funeral and she gets zilch! Seriously? And Scarlet Witch, whose reality-bending power could probably have won the day easily, instead gets batted around and nearly killed by Thanos. WTF writers? Way to stand up up for women heroes! Oh but you can insert a single line where a bunch of women tell Spider-Man, “we got this.” (And proceed not to.) That’s phoning it in with a throwaway, token line. Sorry, but this one was decidedly meh. Not their best effort, and yet it’s the end for this group. That’s kind of sad.

[@36090pburke]

U realized Thor had lost his Mom his dad his brother lost Asgard and failed to kill Thanos. lost half the universe because he failed. he was depressed. just because he's a god doesn't mean he's doesn't have emotions. He felt like he failed that was the whole point of the talk with his mom which I loved. Then he called for mjilnor and he realized he was still worthy.

[@allasian452]

@@36090pburke He's still joking at the end of thor ragnarok and in infinity war

[@kaitotatsuya]

I hated when people calling me a DC fanboy when I knew something was wrong with this movie... If I can admit BvS, Suicide Squad and justice league are bad then why can't I say Avenger is a bad movie. Logan, GOTG and Spiderman 2 are great movies.

[@TamimJamadar]

In infinity war it was explained that valkaryi had escaped with some Asgardians in a ship when thanks attacked.

[@greghii8093]

So true!!!! I feel the same way. I hate it so much how they did Thor and Hulk. That much disrespect alone ruined the movie. People that claim to be Marvel fans should be able to understand that they should feel equally for each character and when they see one of those characters being disrespected to anywhere near as much as Thor was, they should feel that the whole team got disrespected. I do hate when Hollywood pushes their liberal ideas on feminism and gay rights and equality and all that junk. The people the audience the fans deserved just the ending of the Marvel series and all of the characters in highly respected dignified roles at their best. With a great win and maybe a huge sacrifice preferably if Captain Marvel especially since she most likely could have easily snap your fingers and still survived because she is made out of energy so the radiation would not have bothered her.

[@Moviemaniac174892]

Yup, wipe out the strongest masculine characters and introduce their female successors for the female avengers 2021 😒😞 no sir you are incorrect the mcu is not dead in 2020 it'll be the LMCU ladies marvel cinematic universe (i wish i was joking) then after a slew of under performing movies then (with women blaming men) the lmcu will die. Mark my word's

[@alecperdeau650]

It will die with the Eternals. That's gonna be the first step into the grave

[@emsnewssupkis6453]

It took Disney 5 years to kill Star Wars and Star Trek. Now, in four more years, MCU will be dead, too.

[@evertonporter7887]

I knew this backlash would happen.

[@Enclavefakesoldier]

You know with how disney handled star wars and now the MCU I'm convinced this is a deliberate action for them. if they can bring down a legendary franchise and an ambitious film series, then nothing is safe in the hands of the mouse.

[@staggeringbeauty9635]

Alec Perdeau why? Its actually a good Idea, and it isnt confirmed

[@johnvalerio8117]

Yes. That Bucky snub really pissed me off at the end. The BS is really right on the nose.

[@JJ-yi7kr]

You can say that but at least the shield still went to a man. In a few podcasts with Feige I had heard him mention a female Captain America. It went to the wrong guy,I agree. He was the wrong Captain in the comics,so wrong that they basically used magic to un- kill the original Captain America.

[@churchhymnsandpsalms]

Agreed. A real mix of wonderful and absolutely awful.

[@lordofkages5540]

Great review. This is truth. Yo they depowered Thor, yes... But they straight slaughtered my favorite character. Hulk. OMG what did they do to Hulk.

[@bluewhaleproductions57]

It was really underwhelming. I left the theaters immensely unsatisfied.

[@noexitnoproblem6037]

Also; two words Captain Whaman. They probably depowered certain characters so that "Captain Marvel" a whaman can shine. What a disgrace.

[@deebunny178]

That would make sense of she was in the movie more.

[@stevenyoung9473]

it makes total sense if you take in future movies - they just wanted to clear out kill off and trash existing characters to make room for the intersectionality in future movies - obviously@@deebunny178

[@deebunny178]

joey peabody Wtf, you are insane. I hated the movie and hate feminism. But you guys are really reaching with this. The movie had so much more problems. But of course blame the women. Grow up. Regardless they were going to get rid of old characters, regardless of what gender they were. It sounds like someone needs to get a girlfriend. Smh.

[@ryuhoshi3419]

I was disappointed, there were good moments here n there, like Tony n cap's arc finale, but the movie as a whole is not good.

[@TrisStrudel]

I hate that Black Widow dies more than anything in this movie because of how disrespected her character has been. She's been around since Iron Man 2, before Hawkeye and so many other characters. She was the female hero people WANTED to have a movie before Captain Marvel was even going to be in the MCU, and she never got it. Now she's dead, and who is leading the cringy girl-power shot? Not the first female super hero of the MCU, the LAST one that no one likes.

[@david10006]

I know it sucks but she represents everything the new Marvel wants to get away from- a sexy, feminine hero that just happened to be the least "powerful" member of the team no matter how brave or heroic she was.

[@Escaped-FromHellview]

Yeah I mean what happened to Sharon Carter after cap hooked up with her mom years back, and then that means she was never born right? Or does Hulk's weird explanation of time travel make it so she still in the future cuz I thought the Hulk told the ancient one that they were going to delete pretty much.. that whole new timeline they were making.. I'm confused about little things exactly like you're saying.

[@wizendsage757]

Sharon Carter was Peggy niece

[@UziGameGP]

SPOILERS! 1. Why didn't Tony just freeze (with the gauntlet) Thanos and then chop his head off. Because Disney wanted that cliche sad sacrifice ending. What makes it even worse is that death means nothing in this franchise, see Gamorra being back, they could easily go back in time and bring a Tony to the future for holidays with family. 2. How the fuck did the whole ship of Thanos time travel. Evil Nebula can suddenly hack and change the logic? 3. Hulk was shit again. He was pussified in Infinity War and did not even got his rematch in Endgame. Hell when he wore the gauntlet and said this is gamma radiation I thought he would go full world war Hulk and fuck up Thanos but nope.

[@grobanworldnews4216]

I agree with what you said about Captain America. Part of me liked him being with Peggy, but I'm not sure I believed he would abandon his friends like that. I think he would have found a woman in the present (like Sharon) to find happiness with.

[@amyfalconer1660]

Speaking of Diversity Heroes, did anyone else hate the part where Captain Marvell was pegging Bucky while he apologized for being male? I know they're going for the feminism thing but that was a little on the nose.

[@spndusk2362]

The movie isn't going to age well that's for sure. And when the hype has finally died down and people think hard about this movie they'll realize what a sh*t pile it is.

[@amyfalconer1660]

@@spndusk2362 I wouldn't be surprised if it became the new Phantom Menace

[@spndusk2362]

@@amyfalconer1660 it's the MCU version of the Last Jedi. Just god awful 😝

[@stevenyoung9473]

well - you have to take into account that a lot of the audience isn't actually able to think much - hard or other wise @@spndusk2362

[@dimitripapadopoulos5180]

I saw a lot of this coming. Including getting rid of Scarlet Johanson. Her death does not need to stick as this franchise has proven they aren’t above making up or breaking rules.

[@ChaoPow]

WOW! I love it! Most of the people that I talk to only held on to the good and the emotional high. I am thankful of what you’ve shared here as I also had many of the problems you’ve noticed. My favourite Marvel character is Hulk and he did nothing. He was weak and couldn’t even heal. He lost all that raw emotion and strength he had. Captain Marvel just strolls in and blew everything up with ease. I’m disappointed.

[@Stew91]

"Captain Marvel just strolls in and blew everything away with ease". Except that's not what happened other than Thanos's ship being blown up.

[@ChaoPow]

Justin Stewart Thor couldn’t even do that. When Thanos attacked, they overtook the Asgardian ship with ease. She also had no problem plowing through the outriders and didn’t even need the rest of the “A team” to help her. She also on her own almost took the glove off Thanos. Thanos needed the power stone to take her when the big three had great difficulty fighting him.

[@Stew91]

@@ChaoPow Considering the condition that Thor was in, it's very likely that in the ship, he got ganged up on, along with Thanos attacking him as well. And because he was in an enclosed space (the ship), and didn't want to send anyone into the vastness of outerspace, he didn't fight at full strength

[@stevenyoung9473]

logically a being that can fly many times the speed of light, as she can, could easily just fly through all of Thanos' army in a fraction of a second - there just isn't any logic to the Cap. Marvel character@@Stew91

[@moisesvaladez8162]

I have better movie ideas, but I know that if I ever walk into a room with movie executives they'll reject it anyway!!!!!

[@gntsuwproverbs3136]

It is NOT about storytelling anymore, but social engineering going forward.

[@davidcici11Evolution]

Asgaard ship explanation was in a deleted scene in Infinity war. Half of them were able to escape. It was probably allowed by Thanos given he has an infactuation with wiping half of populations.

[@nickdat2232]

As a fan , I loved it. Lots of fan service. If I pretend that its a movie involving characters I dont know and just taking the story alone. Its a hot mess. So many contradictions and plot holes.

[@TheMovieWatcherClub]

Thank you for the objectivity... it seems there are only die hard fans who refuse to allow for any negative talk... just because someone loved it doesn't make it a good movie ... just cause it has some serious plot holes and some bad story telling doesn't mean someone still can't enjoy it despite those things.

[@nickdat2232]

@@TheMovieWatcherClub exactly 😊

[@godsofthesingularity8308]

Second biggest plothole - The whole time travel/infinite realities cheapened everything as well. That time machine/reality hopping device they made? It's a zillion times more powerful than any damned infinity stones. With that machine you can essentially duplicate any person or artifact. They could have gotten another Hank Pym and a few Tony Starks and then controlled time and space and realities... etc. Also... they can reverse aging with it? WTF. They threw that in as a gag but... uh.... kind of a significant thing, no? It was like they were shooting plotholes into their own movie with a cannon. In fact... when Thanos found out about the time machine... he probably would've focused on getting that tech as opposed to the infinity guantlet. And... I could go on and on about the time machine... but the movie would've been MUCH better without it.

[@evertonporter7887]

Sounds like Sliders meets the Avengers...

[@tonyguitarselfhelp1403]

Yessss I do agree with you on both Thor and Hulk. I can't believe the fact that they actually make thor a joke, and for hulk I like the idea of professor hulk, but the disappointing thing about it is that they didnt even try to create an arc for him , and instead fast forward to 5 years later he just became professor hulk. And also one thing to add on, it kinda bothers me the fact that Scott Lang wasn't even surprise to see his daughter grew up. Other flaws go on etc.etc., but I still think it's a good mcu film even though its not better than infinity war and the winter soldier.

[@freman007]

Not to mention that the Super Soldier Serum stops Steve's aging, so he'd still get to watch Peggy grow old.

[@mar1no124]

Too many plot holes. Yes it was a good movie no doubt but, it was not as epic as some said.

[@hr8978]

One of the few voices of reason. Cap is the opposite of selfless. Hulk is joke, Thor broken and unworthy, Starlord to become a soyboy begging for love. The infinity stones cannot be destroyed according to their own narrative, TDW stated, the Eather cannot be destroyed, the time stone if destroyed, could change reality, the list goes on and on...!

[@DispelBreaker]

As usual you bring up great points! I enjoyed the film but like you I did see a few problems with it. Also I totally loved cap with Mjolnir!

[@alecperdeau650]

"This was fan service over good storytelling." You have not seen RWBY or any of Rooster Teeth's work yet. Watch the SJW writers of a dead man's passion project be reduced to fan service and shipping for the sake of LGBTQ representation over a shonen epic. In all seriousness though, that is one of many gripes with the film. This meta humor is extremely distracting and its honestly why I have hated MCU humor for a long time now. I got a lot more to say but I'm a little pressed for time right now. Great review prof. I think you softened the blow of disappointment in this movie well giving the positives first. Well done.

[@GameCat16]

I.... really don't see fanserivce taking over RWBY. I see some social justice stuff (more so in RvB Season 16, but a little in RWBY Vol 6), but almost no fanservice (Yes, Blake and Yang have a close relationship, but that's been the case as far back as Volumes 1+2, the "good volumes").

[@alecperdeau650]

@@GameCat16 token lesbians, Adam dying, Bumblebee canon, Jaune finally losing his temper iver Ozpin and threatening to beat up Oscar, Cinder vs Neo, lame fights where the Grimm stand still to be one hit killed, there's plenty of fan service. And RT as a whole is completely saturated in SJW bullshit. The company needs to burn

[@GameCat16]

@@alecperdeau650 I'm not denying the social justice at RT (I even acknowledged a little bit of it being in RWBY in reference to the couple, although I didn't mention them, admittedly), but I still don't see the problem. Bumblebee didn't become canon, we just had a 2 v. 1 of them against Adam (something that has been built of ever since Volume 3 at the earliest). I can only remember three Grimm fights (the first one on the train, the Apathy, and the Leviathan), and the last 2 had a bit of justification for stillness. Were people asking for Jaune to attack Oscar?

[@TheMovieWatcherClub]

I agree wholeheartedly. It seems to me that die hard fans believe this to be the greatest movie they have every seen. A good friend of mine said and I quote "I can't even fathom how I live in a time where this movie exists and I can watch it" ... I think he honestly meant those words... and he refuses to accept any criticism of the story telling. Everything gets "theorized" a way. It's like some are choosing to ignore the bad aspects of the writing just so they can love the movie. Sorry for the long response... lol but i agree

[@alecperdeau650]

@@GameCat16 yeah, they did want to see Jaune step up and get angry at Oscar since he's essentially Ozpin and got Pyrrha killed. Supposedly its meant to show development but all it does is take the attention away from Ruby more and prove how terrible a protagonist she is

[@Wolfncsupack42]

The things that made the MCU are capts selflessness and leadership, Tony’s ingenuity, Thor’s God power, hulks might and struggle, and black widows nice ass in the uniform. All of these were killed in this movie. It’s over

[@MrsUzumaki]

Can we talk about the fact that half the world is brought from 2018 and the other half is living in 2023? The logistics alone is going to be a nightmare to tackle in future movies. This is why they should've reversed time not the snap.

[@MrsUzumaki]

MinatoOnimaru No, from what I see in the FFH trailer, Peter’s class all ~coincidentally~ snapped together 🙄

[@fimbulwinter1780]

Endgame is overrated af. Hulk's entire arc concludes off screen. He was less professor Hulk, and more like Green Banner. Professor Hulk had a mean streak and wasn't simply Green-skinned Bruce Banner. Thor had zero pay off. He just went through this same depressed arc in Infinity War. But lets do it again, but this time with zero pay off and played 90% for laughs. The power levels were laughably inconsistent. Thor with Stormbreaker all but kills 6 stone Thanos but Thor with Stormbreaker AND Mjolnir is completely ineffective vs zero stone Thanos. Ok. Plot holes galore, like cap showing up at the end when he clearly shouldnt based on the rules established earlier in the film. Thanos bringing his ship/army to the future despite having zero pym particles as nebula only had enough for herself and she had already gone through. Captain Marvel should have been shelved in this film, and her moments given to Hulk or Thor. She shows up to be stupidly overpowered for a few minutes and contribute zero character development but the same wooden delivery of her lines from her crappy movie. Bucky should have gotten the shield. I like Falcon but why does a guy with normal human strength who can fly and uses machine guns need a shield? Bucky makes much more sense as he has been Steve's best friend longer than Sam has, and his powerset is much closer to cap's than Sam. Nebula sent Widow and Hawkeye to die. Lol. She knew one of them wasn't coming back but said nothing. Not really an error, just funny.

[@trevorphilips9065]

Exactly

[@mukiwabanda2794]

Because Bucky is white. Disneys new marvel phase requires more Wamens and minorities

[@rickgrimes3479]

Bad storytelling? who is this degenerate? Yeah...sure marvel the first company that successfully combined over 20 movies in a Cinematic Universe, and is set to be the highest grossing movie ever is the worst thing ever.

[@rudyardolejnik5728]

Currently the Black Widow movie is a thing. The only sort of conflict I see is that at the end of Endgame, Steve Rogers has to return all of the stones so that IW still happens (as Endgame claims the grandfather time paradox does not fit in this story). That means returning the Soul stone to release Black Widow so Thanos still sacrifices Gamora. How Black Widow gets back to Earth -- no idea. Maybe Cap brings her back before he returns to Peggy. We won't know until we find out what the BW movie will be.

[@mightycirus]

What the hell happened to vision

[@RedCrusaderArc]

Endgame had the perfect setup. In Infinity War they fought Thanos for the stones. Now they had to fight to get them back, except it would be harder because he has all the stones. But instead of cool epic action sequences we got...talking....talking and more......talking. I wish someone took a picture of my face when I realized the whole movie was going to be like that.

[@Gokiza]

The Russos should never be allowed to touch the Character ever again. Thor deserved better.

[@evertonporter7887]

The Rian Johnson Club😂🤣