Avoid these Fox 38 Setup Mistakes

Рет қаралды 37,856

Otter MTB Tech

Күн бұрын

Пікірлер: 91

@OtterMTBtech 13 күн бұрын

Continue the tech talk stay in touch here. facebook.com/groups/1360284884937740

@psychkub 11 ай бұрын

Informative video. Love how you cut through the BS and explain everything in stepwise fashion.

@OtterMTBtech 10 ай бұрын

Glad it helped. 😎

@fredEVOIX 2 ай бұрын

woaw congrats youtube 1st relevant ad ever ! for a newly opened bike park in my area 🎉 thx for the video im changing bike and go from fox34 120mm fit4 to 38 170mm grip2 i need help

@MEvsMTB 14 күн бұрын

Great video! My only addition is to tune your suspension AT the trails you ride most often. I’ve made the mistake of “tuning” my suspension at some local XC trails and it felt great. Then I hit the steeper and chunkier trails I ride most often and had to do it all over again. 😅

@OtterMTBtech 13 күн бұрын

FACTS, that place I ride I run crazy compression and then move to trail riding and am like what the

@MegaBros64 Ай бұрын

Great vid, thanks. Simple, and to the point

@viperdemonz-jenkins Ай бұрын

am thinking of getting a bike with a fox 38 live valve, 2022 giant rein advanced pro 29 1. love the look of that fork, and the color of the bike. just wish I could test a live valve setup first, but sadly my local shop does not carry the high end bikes, and I do not drive so cant go the 450 miles to nearest shop that carries live valve bikes.

@noControl556 Ай бұрын

I think g-outs, preferably a ditch, is the best test for setting up LSC and LSR, typically lower LSC until I feel like the fork drops too much and i'm about to endo, then add one click back, then speed up LSR until it feels out of control and wallows at the bottom. There is a creek crossing on a short look at my local trails that works great for this as it has rocks at the bottom so can tune high speed as well while in mid stroke. Trying to tune HS on flat trails I'm constantly "chasing the dragon" in terms of initial plushness which just isn't going to be there on big 38's unless you are really pushing the bike.

@AsgardianLoneWolf 8 ай бұрын

I got same psi as you. But driving at a middle rebound. Not tooo fast but slow enough not to pop out. For very hard trails perfect. But sometimes to slow. It is very hard to find a perfect solution for everything on the trail.

@SlimJ87D 11 ай бұрын

Thank you! Keep it up with the content!

@OtterMTBtech 11 ай бұрын

Glad to hear 👂 sometimes wonder

@JubeProductions 4 ай бұрын

I an about 220LBS and I found that putting less air in the fork gives it a better feel on my Turbo Levo. I've had tons and tons of forks and the Fox 38's feel so good. Very planted.

@hunterb8016 4 ай бұрын

I’m also a “bigger” rider so hearing you say this makes me happy! Just ordered these today and ordered the rear x2 shock aswell for my turbo Levo. Super excited

@JubeProductions 3 ай бұрын

@@hunterb8016 One of the best things about my Levo is the suspension platform. The bike feels very balanced and very capable. Because the bike weighs 50+ LBS it needs solid suspension and 38's with an X2 is perfect. I have an Intense M16 DH bike and I think my Levo has a better suspension platform.

@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ 3 ай бұрын

@@hunterb8016 Depending on your riding, you'll get a better feel from the fork if you take out one token. 20% sag is pretty crucial or the fork will dive and run through it's travel. That's why Fox says 15-20%. The rebound is the most important thing on Fox forks. If the fork is feeling harsh and your sag is correct spend your time bracketing your rebound. With LSC/HSC open. Once you get a supple feel (it's usually a couple clicks faster than the chart imo) then dial in your LSC/HSC. While running 25%+ sag might feel good on small bump stuff it will definitely run into problems at higher speeds, bigger hits, and g outs in corners.

@Penta_Penguin_237 3 ай бұрын

@@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ Thank you so much for your comment. This is exactly the problem I am having with my canyon strive: my 38 seems just not to respond to small bumps or irregularities on the ground.

@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ 3 ай бұрын

@@Penta_Penguin_237 No problem. Remember than the less tokens you run the more linear the fork will feel (like a coil) and will also run through it's travel easer (just like if you had less pressure) If you're bottoming out your fork too easy, then you'll need to put the token back in. Getting a tune is never a bad idea either.. it's a bit expensive but it will achieve what you want out of your suspension. Even then though.. remember.. You can have more than the stock spacers at 20% sag.. land a big drop on the back wheel and smash down on the fork and bottom it out.. so like I said. It depends on how you ride. If you're blasting the fk out of your bike like a DH racer and doing big hits. You don't care how it feels on small bump stuff, you want it stiff. If you want comfort, you're probably not going to be doing that kinda stuff. Suspension is all about give or take. Comfort vs performance. Finding a balance for what you ride is the name of the game. It should be changed depending on what you're riding.

@terytkonar7695 11 ай бұрын

any chance for you to review high end suntour stuff? Had a durolux on a hardtail and loved it

@OtterMTBtech 11 ай бұрын

It’s on the list. Just such little interest in it

@emteebee1872 Ай бұрын

I tried adjusting the LSC/HSC rebound knobs but can’t get them to adjust separately. When I turn on dial, the other dial turns with it. Is this normal? The fork is only 5 months old and has been like that since new.

@lukefoster315 18 күн бұрын

It's normal it won't change the settings on the other knob even if it turns at same time

@johncarlson2255 26 күн бұрын

I received my grip to 38. And just for fun I pushed the two release valves on the back of the stanchions. And there was quite a bit of pressure in both. I don't think it's only about altitude. I'm sure there's something to do with up extension air pressure being trapped because of a fast-acting fork and hard hits quick gyrations

@mattfarrar5472 11 ай бұрын

Not all 38s come with a quick release - 38 that came with my 23' Megatower doesn't have the sleeve, the axle has a large head with a 6mm Allen key, gets tightened in then tighten the pinch bolt

@OtterMTBtech 10 ай бұрын

I made a couple big typos in this video thanks for commenting on that

@mattfarrar5472 10 ай бұрын

@@OtterMTBtech It's a pain in the ass I really with it had the quick release! I need to take my front wheel of to put it in the car!

@jeffh9071 6 ай бұрын

Excellent tips. Thank you! You said you set five clicks of low-speed compression on every single fork. I assume that's clockwise from fully open on the 38 Grip2, so about 11-12 out of 16 clicks counter-clockwise from fully closed. Correct? Fox recommends 10 clicks out from closed/slow to start so 12 is perfectly reasonable and is what I run.

@dreeksol1 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the informative video! What mudguard do you have? Very clean looking.

@OtterMTBtech 2 ай бұрын

amzn.to/4bqWKqx fox ones stays put this ones is nice to move on and off

@MuSkA_ Ай бұрын

Just a quick note: HSC is not bottom out control, it's all about keeping the fork higher in the travel, without diving excessively and riding deep in the travel, which is bad. Bottom out control is adjusted via the volume tokens, making it more or less progressive in the very last bit of travel.

@TroyCollier 3 ай бұрын

Were the same guy at 225lbs on a Levo. I recent gutted my old 38s and added the new grip x and also got a brand new X2 after my old one shit the bed... Twice

@OtterMTBtech 2 ай бұрын

Advanced Suspension Setup MADE EASY kzbin.info/www/bejne/nny3lJqPdrxgqbM

@YLDCRD 10 ай бұрын

What are your thoughts on less tokens more psi. I’m on 1 token, 130psi, weight 105kgs. It feels less divey and more supported then 115-120 psi with 3 tokens. I’m on etuned version

@OtterMTBtech 10 ай бұрын

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpfGqH-HrdeEpJo I ran with no tokens in this video high pressure full compression. I thought it was less poppy giant plush bucket. 3 tokens may be to much. IF you like it send it most struggle to get along with the fork

@Doub1e_R 2 ай бұрын

Very helpful videos. Question for you. Got a fox 38- when I close hsr I can turn past the max clicks. Is there a way to fix?

@OtterMTBtech 2 ай бұрын

Normal it has some wiggle on the end of the adjusters

@Doub1e_R Ай бұрын

@ I meant I can turn 10+ clicks past close.

@Emtbtoday 11 ай бұрын

I have for 38 170mm with fit 4 im just looking how to set up before take my new bike out, see on the side of your fork there it has the wheels size 29/27.5 im assuming this means the fork can take both sizes? Just i read that there is a 38 for 27.5 and a 38 for a 29er and have to be one or the other? I have what looks like the same arch clearance from the tyre to arch on fork like yours but there 27.5 fox 38s when registered them? I'm new to these new shocks n bikes its been a long time since was on a bike but watching all these video's just made me look into them more and more till just wanted back on the trails! Weather is pants here in scotland just now so getting the bike ready for its first day out hoping on Saturday!

@OtterMTBtech 10 ай бұрын

It’s 27.5+ and 29. Then the 27.5 devoted fork. The plus size tires Disappeared but they still have the sticker on the fork

@mart63789 4 ай бұрын

Can't get enough of your vids. I think I can relate to your riding style from what you say...and I weight also around 210lbs...I have a Levo gen 3 with a Fox 38 Elite and a X2... Seems that I can't bring them to the ride quality of my other Enduro bike (Rockshox Zeb Ultimate Charger 3 (170mm) with coil shock at the rear). I have even rent two Shockwiz to help me to set them up, but I still have a feeling of harshness. I'm starting to think to switch them since I mostly use the Levo now. I'm beginning to think that the fight is uneven between both forks. I know I'm not giving you much data, but I would still like to know your opinion or direction to help me out.

@OtterMTBtech 4 ай бұрын

Listen up, I am working on a new setup guide, make sure there is 2 tokens in the fork, about 120 psi, they also loose air in 2 weeks so except it to go flat to 100 psi in that time, go full fast rebound and full on compression low and high thank me later 🤙 skip shock wiz it does not work good on forks The rebound is the harnesses not the compression. Fixed my friends in the parking lot. Test it slowly

@mart63789 4 ай бұрын

So it's the opposite of what I have. You want me to try full open Rebound and full close compression?

@OtterMTBtech 4 ай бұрын

@@mart63789 Yes try it. I am heavier than you and that is what I run now, before I ran 7 clicks from slow rebound 5 clicks low and 5 clicks high both work,

@OtterMTBtech 4 ай бұрын

120 psi

@yuheny0 7 ай бұрын

What's the specific name for that closed spanner wrench you said you got from amazon? The link in your bio shows a socket wrench, which I already have, but I want the same closed spanner as yours for the "portable" tool box. :) Great setup video btw, always end up watching your vids whenever I do some fiddling with my suspension.

@OtterMTBtech 7 ай бұрын

ebay.us/1p7VpY

@edva135 3 ай бұрын

do you need to push couple times fork when pumping air?

@OtterMTBtech 3 ай бұрын

Nope that’s just shocks

@edva135 3 ай бұрын

@@OtterMTBtech hmm,interesting,because a lot people say you need to push a little fork too

@OtterMTBtech 3 ай бұрын

@@edva135 does not hurt it to do it

@my2017raptorhardtail 6 ай бұрын

You doing 5 clicks lsc from full open or full closed? Will help alot.

@OtterMTBtech 6 ай бұрын

Let’s talk soft and firm 5 clicks from full soft. Or -

@ALLMOUNTAINMTB 9 ай бұрын

Awesome, this is a great help thank you

@OtterMTBtech 8 ай бұрын

Glad to hear it!

@boringaveragenobody 10 ай бұрын

Really want a Fox 38, but I have a hardtail made for a 120mm, so maybe a bad idea?

@OtterMTBtech 10 ай бұрын

Yes bad idea. 130 36 better

@boringaveragenobody 10 ай бұрын

@@OtterMTBtech sadly I agree, and a 36 130mm was my sensible choice as well. Even though I am 244lbs, I better stick with a 36.

@OtterMTBtech 10 ай бұрын

I’m 220 and have to use all downhill rated parts. You should too, if your ride anywhere near hard

@boringaveragenobody 10 ай бұрын

@@OtterMTBtech Yes, I dont really care so much about weight for the parts I choose, I just want stuff that wont break while riding. The thought I had about getting a Fox 38, was to have a really solid fork, that wont twist or bend, while being smooth and comfy at the same time. Not getting any younger. So, a 38 would give me a min of 150mm travel, but then run it at maybe 25% sag, instead of 15-20% on a shorter fork. I can't find much info on others doing the same, so I don't know if it is a good idea or not, but in theory it would work for me, and my riding style. A fox 36 at 130mm is maybe a better (thinking of the travel) option, but at the moment, all I can get is the 38. My bike is a Cannondale Trail Se hardtail, and it should hold up to the abuse, but only one way to find out.

@Emtbtoday 11 ай бұрын

Ive notice on the tuning options sheet its got 170mm for E bike has 3 tokens and non E bike comes with 2 tokens i juat got my new e bike im interested to see what's inside now! 2 or 3 tokens looks like a job for the morning now

@OtterMTBtech 10 ай бұрын

I’m not sure what’s the difference between e tune and regular 38. Maybe the compression is lighter on the e tune so needs more

@Emtbtoday 11 ай бұрын

I've seen this video before did you re upload it?

@OtterMTBtech 11 ай бұрын

No same concept as Zeb except it has 2 tokens, and re used a couple clips from last week video

@Emtbtoday 10 ай бұрын

I remember you saying 36 spacers fit the 38 and obviously just seen the lylic tokens there but being told they don't fit on other video i trust your opinion more but just to double check with you? I got 3D printed tokens sent when ordered some never noticed they weren't genuine but scared incase they chip and destroy the inner bladder or something id just rather get rhe genuine ones plus PETG filament is pouros so will maybe be squishy i dont know but not risking it! I am a 3D printer do it daily for models and stuff but I use stong abs resin and the latest 8k and 12k printers and still wouldn't trust us8ng a volume spacer in a shock! The materials are still to brittle for this type of application and it will end up causing you a massive repair bill or worse a system lockout when landing or blowout if a small peace does break loose! Its not hard even if it bends in the clips that clip together they will shatter! Rant on that over jsut anyone thinking of using 3D printed tokens please don't not yet anyway! Cheers

@OtterMTBtech 9 ай бұрын

The 36 ones clip right in. Don’t use aftermarket stuff they are super cheap

@johnbravo7542 11 ай бұрын

Thank you!👍🤙

@OtterMTBtech 11 ай бұрын

😎

@JohnFinelli-wl3di 2 күн бұрын

Why on my (2022) Fox Racing Factory Float 38 GRIP2 High And Low Red rebound dial move after setting one or the other?? . IS THIS NORMAL ANYONE????? 😢😢😢😢😡😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬🤬🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯😠