Fox 38 Grip X2, Grip X, Grip 2

[@chrishottinger3510]

You should do a roundup at some point comparing all shocks/forks for value, performance etc.

[@OtterMTBtech]

Doing this soon few more shocks

[@pathfindr_]

Warning to all lighter riders (

[@OtterMTBtech]

Probably start by running tokens before a $300 on the new compression shim stack. Forks super linear with no tokens

[@lenolenoleno]

I have a Fox 38, run it with a Vorsprung Secus (which requires about 15-20% higher air pressure) which puts me in the 128-132psi range as ideal. Don't have issues with air loss (certainly not to 90psi). I check the air pressure every 3 months or so and there is maybe 2 or 3 psi change but that's more to do with temperate change/season change. Something's not right with yours.

[@OtterMTBtech]

I have 3 38 all do the same thing, I guess that’s why they come packed with grease to not loose air

[@nomadic_dad]

@@OtterMTBtech that's me and another person saying they don't lose air on their 38s so maybe you should do a poll or similar to see if you do have an issue with yours 👍

[@lenolenoleno]

@@OtterMTBtech Every higher end fork I own gets sent to my local suspension pro for an express "new fork prep" which includes getting rid of that excess grease and to have the bushings burnished. Basically I'm not losing air because I have the factory glob of grease on their air spring.

[@TheLastMoccasin]

Great video! I think you should take your Rocky to the local dealer and see if they think there is an issue with the motor that might be covered under warranty. Honestly mine is not all that loud and we have the same exact bike.

[@OtterMTBtech]

It’s seems little better now, I’m getting use to it, shifting on time . Then it over heated yesterday. On 1,000 foot fire road climb in 60 degree weather

[@TheLastMoccasin]

@@OtterMTBtech Yea… something is wrong. I have done 5000 ft of climbing in 85+ degrees without any issues.

[@jankaskyevitchjellbet7293]

The only upgrade for my grip2 38 is smashpot coil.

[@WildMidwest1]

How did you choose among the twelve Smashpot springs? (25 to 80 psi) A beautiful thing about air suspension is its ability to change spring settings relative to one’s skill level and terrain. It took me quite a bit of testing with Shockwiz to get my Fox 38 grip2 fork pressure and tokens where I liked them. I fear expensive, time consuming mistakes with coils. Conversion is a one-way trip per Vorsprung’s web page due to internal stanchion scoring.

[@OtterMTBtech]

I got lucky the guy I got it from was my weight. And the spring was a bit heavy for me.

[@fredEVOIX]

interesting comment on the rebound I'm 220lbs too and on my 34 factory 120mm fit4 (xc muscular bike) I used fox chart for the pressure and their rebound recommendation only to go uphill (lock for road, center pos for more bumpy trails) when I'm on top of the mountain I then set it to fastest to go down or yeah same thing it feels like the fork isn't using it's travel at all, disappointing to hear about the 38 losing pressure my 34 doesn't budge I wanted to redo it after months not riding it was still the same

[@OtterMTBtech]

It’s just loosing air from the 120-130 psi. Then sits at 90. Tried on few forks

[@JOE-uq8oh]

Great! now the ZEB Charger 3.1 hahaha

[@OtterMTBtech]

My friend said he couldn’t tell difference but soon

[@nomadic_dad]

Just checked the air pressure of my 29" Fox 38 fork after not riding it for 12 weeks and it had lost 1 psi so I'd suggest somethings not right with yours

[@OtterMTBtech]

Are you running 130 psi. I have a couple they all go from 130 to 90 and never go down ,

[@nomadic_dad]

@@OtterMTBtech no I'm around 100kg fully kitted up and run mine at ~103psi 🤔

[@justsayin3600]

I upgraded my 36/160mm to an E-Tuned 38/170mm. I wrapped it with Invis straight out the box. I love it. It paired nice with my new EXT E-Storia

[@OtterMTBtech]

So there’s e tune and e chassis large head crown is the chassis the E tune is a lighter softer compression, which is fine

[@G00glieS]

Shimano drivetrains are better than Sram, what are your arguments? They work smoother, shifts are always perfect and they cost less. Shimano shifters are also better - they have multidrop and better ergonomics.

[@mtblife745]

reverse that, ive had nothing but problems with my shimano xt/slx drivetrain but i know people whose had sram for ever with no problems. And also shimano shifts like dog 💩 whenever theres a speckle of dirt on the chain

[@323johnnybravo]

@@mtblife745nah shimano shifts nice and crisp even low level SLX. Sram on the other hand especially the nx and gx shift like dookie.

[@EmilyLynn-v4w]

SRAM it’s absolute garbage.

[@sety409]

I have a t type and hate it. I can’t wait for gearboxes. It never stays in place beyond a ride. I torque checked and took it to 2 separate shops and it’s still dogshit.

[@kangsterizer]

shimano shifters are nicer, but the drivetrain isnt really better. its fine though. and thats xt/xtr vs gx/xo1/xx1 (slx is much better than nx f.e.)

[@SoGoMTB]

Thanks for sharing bruh, SUBSCRIBED!

[@OtterMTBtech]

🍆

[@Dwhere]

You showed the recommended rebound chart for the old grip 2. They have a new chart for the x2. Not sure if that would make a difference.

[@OtterMTBtech]

Good point

[@TroyCollier]

And now I found this video.... You are the same as me. What are your settings for a swapped grip x. I'm 230lbs and pretty sendy. Do you have good x2 shock settings?

[@OtterMTBtech]

Advanced Suspension Setup MADE EASY kzbin.info/www/bejne/nny3lJqPdrxgqbM

[@brianchoate4503]

Is there a difference between upgrading a Fox 38 with a Grip X vs buying a Super Z?

[@OtterMTBtech]

Ya air spring is allot different. Fox is plush the marzo is more progressive like Zeb

[@totalglitch]

If I don't jump and only do drop up to like 4 foot. Will a factory 36 grip 2 work just fine for a 240lb rider

[@OtterMTBtech]

If you want a stable at high speed go 38. If you want slow speed maneuverability 36. The air spring on the 2 forks is different. The 38 is really soft for DH. The 36 is more well rounded

[@troymortimer3487]

Can you please confirm. Does the grip 2 and grip X not use a bladder and is a float ifp?

[@OtterMTBtech]

Yes, I show both of the compression assemblies you can see the exposed spring and ifp

[@troymortimer3487]

@@OtterMTBtech ooh interesting, you have been very vocal around blader dampers providing better of the top suppleness. I’m curious Why does fox have such a supple feeling given they use a IFP?

[@ashkonsenaati8530]

How do they compare to the grip1 damper?

[@OtterMTBtech]

🧐

[@HighsideClyde]

You said you’re running rebound full open/fast?!

[@OtterMTBtech]

Advanced Suspension Setup MADE EASY kzbin.info/www/bejne/nny3lJqPdrxgqbM

[@50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5]

any fork from the past 5 years if just fine...lol....and if you want flex then why even buy the 38?

[@OtterMTBtech]

Bikes are a fine balance. I just suggest try both if you can

[@50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5]

@@OtterMTBtech I might, going to build up a hard tail then put a new fork on my Revel Rail 29

[@MikeesTexas]

MERICA HUAH

[@martonlencses5646]

What is the name of the red motorex oil?

[@fredEVOIX]

don't know but they sell specialized bicycle Fork and Shock Absorber Oil I imagine the number is the same as car oil but I honestly don't remember how it works on a bike and what to choose depending on your region weather and fyi those are all red coloured, lower number usually means it's fluid at lower temps but might be too fluid at high temp or the opposite too thick at cold temp but great on high temp but I really have no clue what kind of temps you reach and which one to choose on a bicycle

[@OtterMTBtech]

It’s Fox 5wt or 4wt but it’s all motorex oil

[@Evo836]

Maxima 3wt is good.

[@OtterMTBtech]

Dropped this is DVO damper changed it up

[@irfanhaffianto324]

I stay with grip2 because i dont have money to burn 😂

[@OtterMTBtech]

Change oil in it

[@spayrex_]

bru these names just name that thing grip 3 and 4 lmao 😂 and what motorex oil did you use?

[@OtterMTBtech]

Agree it’s just Fox 4wt 5 wt coil

[@Kkkamen1]

Comparing these two forks on different bikes is pointless. A fork's performance can vary wildly on different bikes

[@porroco]

Which is better 2025 rs or fox x2

[@OtterMTBtech]

Sun tour is best

[@porroco]

@@OtterMTBtech yeap just ordered the voro coil for my 160e

[@OtterMTBtech]

@@porroco THE PIGGY BACK may not clear the frame check before riding on full compress, add in DVO jade X reducer may fix if not fit

[@skobli617]

Hey man, I really love your videos, thanks for making them. I'm wondering if you've tried a Trutune insert yet? You might find it interesting

[@OtterMTBtech]

They told me they were sending one and didn’t. Could be interesting because the fork felt best with no tokens. But it clanked hard. The tru tune Mostly for people who are light weight who need to use more travel. You can clip tokens under the insert part so it could be dope

[@skobli617]

@@OtterMTBtech ah that sucks Well I'm at the other end of the spectrum,

[@skobli617]

@@OtterMTBtech I'm at the other end of the spectrum - around 125 or 130kg. Only riding a Yari (170mm), I've gone from 103psi with 2 tokens to 135psi with the trutune and one token. It feels more supple at the top, more supportive in the mid and I can still get all the travel under big hits. It's wild.

[@MikeesTexas]

I'm just gonna come out and say it OTTER for president!!!!!

[@OtterMTBtech]

🇺🇸

[@lukeh5453]

First

[@zozok100]

This year I was 6th in the enduro world championship and I ride Rockshox like all the top riders in Europe

[@OtterMTBtech]

Congrats

[@DandyHippo]

:DD