AVOID THIS NONSENSE FROM RACHEL'S ENGLISH AND LINGUAMARINA, REAL ADVANCED ENGLISH, PRAY VS. PREY

[@ralphotero8532]

Kevin is absolutely right about the word "Orison" . A word like that has no place in an English lesson that is intended for E.S. L. (English as a second language) students. This is the type of word that may belong in a spelling Bee. The word comes from the Latin "Oratio" It's also very close to óración": The Spanish word for prayer.

[@elicthanks7578]

I was thinking the same things, no need me for us to learn a word that even a native might not know about

[@josecarlosteixeira4315]

An orison is an old-fashioned or poetic word that means a prayer or a petition to God or a higher power. It’s often used in literature, especially in works with a religious or spiritual tone, to convey a sense of reverence or solemnity. For example: In Shakespeare's Hamlet, Ophelia says: "And for your orisons, be all my sins remembered." Here, "orisons" refers to prayers. It's not a commonly used term in modern English but remains significant in literary and historical contexts.

[@mariashevyrova3730]

😂for someone studying ancient English would be helpful 😅

[@alexisyusti220]

​@@mariashevyrova3730Go back to the Shakespeare's time

[@JosueOrtega-mt5er]

​@@mariashevyrova3730 Or English literature

[@Jjean-i5w]

Rachel is also a singer. She is one of the best teachers. You're becoming a bully sir. If you don't know or you've never heard a word, just shut up. You're messing up the great work you started.

[@josecarlosteixeira4315]

I noticed your comment about the pronunciation of 'grueling,' and I wanted to point out that both pronunciations are actually correct. The variation depends on regional accents, particularly between American and British English. In American English, it's commonly pronounced as /ˈɡruː.ə.lɪŋ/ (with three syllables), while in British English, it's more often /ˈɡruː.lɪŋ/ (with two syllables). Both forms are widely accepted and understood, so it's not accurate to label one as 'wrong.' Language evolves, and recognizing variations helps foster better understanding and inclusivity in communication. It might be worth clarifying this for your audience to avoid spreading misinformation.

[@ХонжонМузафарова]

I AM PRAYING FOR WORLD PEACE😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤THANK YOU FOR USEFUL VIDEO

[@BrunoSilva-ej7ff]

HAHAHA WORLD PEACE? Not in the channel 😂😂😂😂

[@akz0r1337]

Are you from Ukraine?

[@Pidalin]

We will have faster than light space ships before we will have world peace. 😀

[@javilex452]

I liked most of your videos! Please keep making these thanks so much!

[@karte2626]

It never gets old about Marina's mistakes and I love it!❤!

[@santosawidjaja]

The clearest explanation with many examples on "dark L vs light L" !

[@illogicmath]

"orison" is quite rare in modern English. It's an archaic word meaning "prayer" that comes from Medieval Latin "oratio" through Old French. You might occasionally encounter it in old poetry or religious texts, but it's very seldom used in contemporary English. The word was more common in Middle English and Early Modern English literature, notably appearing in works like Shakespeare's Hamlet ("In thy orisons / Be all my sins remembered").

[@watchmakerful]

Merriam-Webster has an explicit schwa in the transcriptions of "duel" and "gruel" and shows it as an optional sound in "fuel" and "cruel". Why should we avoid it if it is there? "Jewel" also has two variants there, with a schwa and without it.

[@LEGENDGAMER-tg1df]

I have never met this kina teacher he is such an amazing teacher. He is always right about the words with everything. Kevin love from India. If I talk about rechal English she is also a good teacher

[@DonnieChoi]

Sorry, I love Rachel's English and Rachel. She is a great teacher.

[@alicegentile1]

Kevin didn't say that she is not a great teacher . He's right about the word orison. It is an old word fallen out of use

[@WAYIDIOMAS]

​@@alicegentile1 what if the use of this word comes back ? Will It be right or wrong to use It? I really recommend the vídeos to my students where Kevin and Lisa teach things that make more sense

[@elizabethfiorella4109]

I think if you love somebody you need to accept their errors... don't be toxic id she used a rare old very formal qord, it is cool to know but NOT necessary and if nobody uses that word... then... mmmmm.. don't use it because even natives won'r understand

[@slycordinator]

​@@WAYIDIOMAS"what is the use of this word comes back?" By this logic, every word that's disappeared from the language should be taught to EFL learners in the remote possibility that they come back into the language.

[@Democraps_are_narrow-minded]

The person who made this video is lanuching a personal attack on Rachel.

[@CM5896-g2t]

Thank you for teaching us correct English. As English learners, we need to get accurate and reliable information.

[@Lovetocreateart]

I like this channel better. Rachel didn't make a mistake but, here is the thing, I work in the USA, and interact with people in the medical field. Also we have a lot of non-native speakers from other countries. Nobody is using super fancy words in day-to-day interactions, so I prefer Kevin's approach. When I say some fancy word American coworkers just look at me funny. If I was an American person they would say I'm trying to show off, but since english is my first language, they know it, I just get made fun off....With foreigner co-workers is okay, they might not understand a word, so we just use another... I'll use a fancy word that doesn't really fit, but I wouldn't know that if someone didn't tell me that other words would be more commonly used and Kevin and Lisa are doing that. Honestly in my situation I prefer to be on the safe side, keeping it simple. I'm still learning.

[@Lotrisz]

Yes, most of Rachel’s videos are great, but her shorts are a bit hit-or-miss or feel a little over the top. I’m not a linguist; I just want to use language as a practical tool, so I need clear and straightforward advice, not literary or academic terminology.

[@mohammadsaad8369]

I love rechel

[@elladubois6603]

She was asked how to call a prayer in a formal way... should she answer " we call a prayer a prayer? "

[@shylajavineed9648]

You're a great teacher, sir.

[@Artedetooo]

The man who spoke before Rachel said something about a ceremonial word, so I don't find any mistakes in it.

[@slycordinator]

It's an archaic word, not ceremonial.

[@naturaljustice4654]

It's part of my training, like the word orison. Have to learn how to pronounce the word orison, but going to choose the word prayer.

[@Pidalin]

I sometimes accidentaly type things like "this phrases" somewhere in comments without realizing it, I mostly fix it later when I notice it, but it's weird that she is teaching English and has such mistakes in spoken language and she doesn't cut it in postprocessing before she uploads it. There are speakers for whose this is impossible to hear the difference, typically russians. I am really really glad that in Czech, we have long vowels, so I can clearly hear the difference, at least some advantage we have. Also, in some languages (russian again), they skip ARE and say just "this car" so this concept of "these are..." must be very alien to them. Fortunatelly, again, in Czech, we don't have this problem, there is a clear difference between is and are in my language, so I just remember that these word is mostly connected with are and this with is. Talking about pronunciation, a lot of people say that English has no just one correct official pronunciation, there is just a pronunciation that is common in some regions and countries, so English is very tolerant to "wrong pronunciation" compared to other languages where it's clear if it's correct or not. Is see it in comments very often that not even Americans or Brits can agree on how it should be pronounced properly, that's a problem for non native speakers. 17:20 - It's funny how in all cultures and languages, they have something like that, here in my country, this joke is more like "I had to walk 20 km thru meter of snow to get to the school" or something like that. 😀Some people also add that they have to kill several bears on their way to school. 😀 BTW, when I was traveling to my high school, I lived on a hill, so I had to firstly walk 2 km down there to a train station and when I arrived to the city, I had to walk uphill to get to the school and then vice versa on your return way. Older people are always talking like if everyone had a car already in elementary school, people still live like that even in these days if you don't live in a big city and your parents had to actually work, so they really can't take you to the school 2 hours later after their shift started. 😀

[@ernestosardain4307]

It all comes down to a clash of registers. Mixing formal and even literary words in everyday colloquial informal discourse. All for the sake of sounding "refined". 😅

[@YanaShlyapnikova]

I really love the work you guys are doing. But correcting Rachel's example is a little too harsh. I'm a C2 non-native English speaker, I sure do know the word 'prayer', so learning something really niche and advanced like 'orison' makes no problem) It's interesting and thanks to Rachel's help now I'll be able to recognize it next time I hear or see it somewhere. She didn't make any mistakes, why come down on her? Still love you guys, no matter what❤

[@fredylopez2477]

I think Kevin didn't point it out as a mistake, from my point of view he just said that it's an uncommonly used term, I mean, IF people talked to you they wouldn't use that term, they'd use "prayer" NOT "orison". But, on the other hand it's just good to know that word just in case you hear it you'll know what it means. Rachel wouldn't make mistakes like that 'cause English is her mother tongue, as simple as that.

[@YanaShlyapnikova]

​@@fredylopez2477right, I totally see where Kevin is coming from. What he meant was that using 'orison' on a regular basis is a bad idea and would sound strange. Having said that, there's still no reason to criticize Rachel. It's just a little sad to know that there's some kind of friction between two good content creators.

[@naba7719]

Thank you 👍 ❤.

[@MarinoZuluagaD]

The dark L is a semivowel. The problem is that the schwa /ə/ before an L doesn't sound as the schwa in COMA /'koʊmə/, that's why words like TABLE are transcribed as /'teıbəl/ or /'teıbl/ in most dictionaries, also /'teıbəł/ or /'teıbł/ if the dark L symbol is used /ł/.

[@s.m.h.979]

But Rachel is also a native English speaker.

[@javirodriguez5617]

I don't think she's native....

[@fredylopez2477]

Yeah, she's a native English teacher and speaker. It's just that she just taught a word that has the same meaning as "prayer" but it's so old that nobody uses it when speaking but the word does exist, she's not lying and that's not a mistake.

[@DonnieChoi]

@@javirodriguez5617 Then you know nothing about a native speaker. Even a five-year-old can tell Rachel is a native speaker.

[@ramonek9109]

She was specifically asked to give another word for prayer and you mark that as a mistake, because you personally don't know the word and say that she should have responded with the same word again? Very strange.

[@ru2979]

The cat looks such well fed , round and fluffy like a brown loaf LMAO

[@amiryazdani2318]

❤my favorite tutor

[@ЮрА-ш1н1в]

English for Everyone: no mistake left behind!

[@ascene9471]

I love all of you. I'm really learning English

[@TheRockBottom-kc8fr]

Kevin and Liza are the boss of English. Thank you very much sir. I'm Zubair Mahmud from Bangladesh.

[@ruffdhalez]

Thats right! Keep it coming.

[@zubairuabdullahi4379]

Rachel’s is my best teacher in American

[@year1534]

If you were asked to say a synonym of the word "prayer", what would you answer if not the word "orison"?

[@frankorozco7715]

Orison is an archaic word, this means this word is in disuse. I believe you can use it depending on your audience of course you will not use it as often as prayer.

[@vladislav.ivanov]

Excellent!!

[@silvia_1247]

Thank you 😊

[@rafaelcastro6466]

Very interesting class 👏 👍

[@leticiagonzalez9183]

Thank you for providing us with an insightful and informative lesson. We appreciate the free context you've given.

[@heartborne123]

uphill both ways - that was cool

[@enjoyenglish123]

Kevin, I really need you to make a video about the differences between "bored of" and "bored with." ChatGPT says that "bored of" is not the standard form, but I've heard a lot of native speakers use "bored of" something or someone, and as far as I know, that's correct. Could you clarify this in your next video?

[@sussybaka3420]

Can you talk about pronunciation of words with and without cot-caught merger in your future video? Thanks

[@ЮрА-ш1н1в]

It’s hard to blame them they’re on a mission to make English pronunciation match its spelling, no matter the cost!

[@Ghellia]

“That’s right - this is NOT correct” 😂😂😂

[@truthseeker5796]

If Michael J.Fox were a teacher

[@behnamraeissi4081]

Great as always 👏👏

[@elymar870]

❤thank you❤

[@AlexS-x5b]

I love your channel so much. You and Liza are great teachers. I feel like your idea of the video to educate English learners and I get it, but at the same time your delivery seems tough. It would be nice if you could give them some slack because they are not native speakers.

[@ScroogeMcDuck-y1k]

Everyone tell us that the best way to learn something is studying on someone's mistakes. These videos are the best way to do it.

[@luciapeimbert4783]

Kevin hello, could you clear one day the difference between air conditioner and air conditioning? When do you use which? I find it very confusing. I love your videos!!!

[@fredylopez2477]

​​@@MaryJones-fs4wf I guess you work in that field 'cause you gave an extent explanation.

[@johnnynunez8184]

"You are a good teacher, but I don't think it's fair for you to criticize another English teacher's work through this medium. Keep teaching correctly as you have always done; that criticism doesn't look good."

[@FernandosMucavele]

You're right. It's not fair 😢😢 That's why.when I feel like learning English I go to a channel real-life English there is no one to criticize someone there 😢😢

[@alicegentile1]

Kevin isn't criticizing. He's merely pointed out that the orison is an old word that has fallen out of use . I searched on the internet and several people from UK had never heard of it

[@FernandosMucavele]

@@alicegentile1 perhaps you are right. I'm not a native English speaker. And in my country our second language is Portuguese 🇲🇿Mozambique🇲🇿 I'm just learning English just to kill time when I'm bored. But the way he talks about my teachers it really makes me uncomfortable I won't deny it.I don't like that 🎭

[@dantet4106]

If they don't do that, it would be like any other KZbin Channel. I'm glad I can learn from a different way of teaching.

[@yogibear5321]

Keep on exposing the fraudsters. Thanks , Kevin.

[@DjibrilSarr-r3d]

In french you have ""oraison funébre" which can be translated by "eulogy".

[@erikaalejandra8384]

I'm an English learner, and I feel that most content creators who teach English make it seem harder than it actually is. Of course, it's important to learn different words and expand your vocabulary. However, when you watch a 'daily clip' or listen to a podcast, you realize that most native speakers use basic words 😶

[@Pidalin]

True, instead of using simple and clear langauge, they teach you how to speak in a complicated way. Ofcourse it is fine to learn more advanced langauge, but later, you have to master basics first. But on other hand, without knowledge of advanced grammar and vocabulary, you will not understand a lot of speakers, so even when you don't have to make advanced sentences, you still need to understand it.

[@InterestingCoolUseful]

Hi, who can tell me the exact time of this video where there is the correction of Rachel's mistakes. Thanks.

[@lavinianassif2687]

​@@samju646 Well, that wasn't really a correction.

[@fredylopez2477]

That's right, it wasn't a correction, it was just the exposition of a fact, that's all.

[@alicegentile1]

Kevin din't say that orison is a mistake . If you look it up on the internet you will notice that a lot of native speakers have never heard this word because it has fallen out of use . It is an old word

[@Thomas-qf6bf]

The word « orison » is considered archaic or poetic. It primarily appears in literary works, historical texts, or religious poetry. However, in everyday language or even modern religious contexts, the word « prayer » is far more common.

[@Teti_K]

Isn't it better to say, "cat hunts a mouse" instead of confusing "preys", which one can understand ONLY from context? If you check autogenerated subtitles 1:17, you'll see that they say "cat prAys on a mause" all the time, which means absolutely different idea.

[@danispeaker]

In my case the subtitles shows pray and at the same phrase, prey. 😂 I totally agree with you, that's the way I teach my students here in Brazil. If you have an easier option, use it!🎉

[@fredylopez2477]

Tecnically, a mouse is a "prey" and a cat is the "predator", the same thing happens with "a lion and a gazelle". This fact should be taught to the students. I think it's better to say; "Cats hunt mice"

[@San-ViVlog]

🎉

[@YYY444-ily]

Thank you for your videos!! So great to know what the mistakes are and what is correct!!

[@PeterMoss-kn2wk]

Hi Kevin, I am sure that after this video, everyone watching your channel will remember the word "orison". That's because you told us not to use it 🙂.

[@Unique_555]

Marina studied English behind the iron curtain and speaks real Soviet English that is only used in Siberia 🤣 Kevin teaches real American English. You make your choice if you wanna be taught be Marina the Communist or by American certified instructors Kevin and Lisa.

[@samnguyen-nhp]

Everyone are taking this seriously. Just simply don't use the word which even native people never use. Her mind set in teaching English is different. There is no any criticism here. Keep an open mind and learn.

[@gabrielcontreras2924]

Este man no perdona a nadie xd

[@alejandrogiraldoorozco4075]

Jajajaja justo lo mismo que pensé.

[@ersiliavargas9477]

Para mí uno de los mejores maestros en inglés

[@junielchamur7383]

Que par de ¡máquinas! Kevin and Liza.

[@fredylopez2477]

Pero esta vez NO es un error gramatical o de fonética, simplemente es una palabra que no es común y no se usa en el inglés hablado, no creo que Rachel cometa errores tan garrafales siendo el idioma inglés, su idioma materno. Considero que Kevin solo manifestó que NO es una palabra usada comúnmente en el idioma y que es mejor usar "prayer" la cual es mucho más común.

[@alicegentile1]

Kevin no dijo que era un error pero si lo buscas en internet verás que hay muchos nativos que nunca han escuchado esa palabra y no la usan a diario .

[@kattydeleo9035]

🙏🤗❤️

[@janetlee7449]

Gorgeous → Argeous ？

[@PeterMoss-kn2wk]

Bomb → Calm (Marina's pronunciation of "comb") 🙂.

[@JONATHAN-rk2nk]

I like that guy he's looking like a serial killer who's preying on a single woman 😊

[@alexanderbeliakov]

❤👍

[@сергейкоробицын-и2й]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤…….💕

[@HopeforFuture23]

❤

[@denisecarmendossantoslongo1858]

Why don't you blink???? Feels scary...

[@mrmememe777]

It's not creepy. It's my superpower!

[@ABCDEFGHcreator]

A real teacher is better than a fake one.

[@englishteacherlu]

Why he doesn't blink? 😲

[@coyotl23]

😂AI

[@englishteacherlu]

@coyotl23 I really wonder

[@fredylopez2477]

He blinks once in a while, it's just that it's a little bit hard to notice it.

[@englishteacherlu]

@@fredylopez2477 kinda creep 😂🤣

[@fredylopez2477]

​@@englishteacherlu Yeah, he looks like a zombie 😊.

[@oksanawebster8729]

I like Rachel’s English Channel. I learned a lot from it. She is a good teacher. Even a good teacher sometimes makes a mistake. But Mogilko’ channel is completely different story. She is pure scammer She is selling to people nonsense.

[@alicegentile1]

Kevin didn't say that Rachel made a mistake . He just said that he had never heard that word . The reason is that the word orison is fallen out of use

[@lucapisanu1826]

Orison, "orazione" in Italian, a prayer. But, as Kevin suggests, it is not "real life" American English.

[@gaminikumara4752]

Utter nonsense. Thank you for this video as well, where you point out the mistakes made by the KZbinr Linguamarina. Students can learn from these mistakes.

[@8877jazz]

Hello!

[@bantorio6525]

... if you want to learn English .... PLEASE don't listen to "linguamarina" ... !!! ... period ... !!!

[@ceafreitas296]

I didn't like or dislike just because of Rachel's unjustifiable criticism. The world doesn't revolve around you Kevin. There's no way you know every word in the English language. The word Rachel says is not common but it exists.

[@santialexee]

It doesn't matter whether it exists or not, we just want real, everyday English that we can use

[@sophiedilmann3891]

Yes, they wanted a formal and ceremonial in nature word and she answered correctly, because prayer is very common. Had they asked about a common synonym, orison would have been too much, but they didn't, so the title is just for clicks.

[@MaryJones-fs4wf]

@@santialexeeTrue. *EVERYDAY* American English

[@fredylopez2477]

​@@sophiedilmann3891 Yeah, it could be, I haven't watched that video from Rachel but it might be that someone asked her about a very formal word that can be a synonym for "prayer" and she answered correctly, she said "orison"

[@peterigwilopi]

Your criticism of Kevin is awfully ridiculous and un-called for! He's tryna correct mistakes made by someone else so that people don't end learning gibberish

[@antonioabruzzio]

Not good ,pal. You misinform people through these videos. Rachel is an outstanding phonetics teacher and you use her fame to attract subscribers . It's a shame you do that since you're a good teacher as well.

[@haykuhihayrapetyan9172]

Living in US and pronaunce the words incorrect, its kind of inappropriate, cause even i living in Armenia, know that these words are mispronounced, and speak faster doesn't mean you know english. I appreciate your work.

[@fredylopez2477]

Exactly pal. "Speaking faster DOESN'T mean you know correct English". # This is what Linguamarina does just to mislead subscribers.

[@Pidalin]

English is actually pretty slow language compared to many other languages and to be able to pronounce English correctly, you have to speak much slower than you are used to from your native langauge that is more clear with no schwa sounds, TH sounds and stuff like that. So speaking too fast in English is more like beginners mistake than vice versa beying advanced in English.

[@ABCDEFGHcreator]

Rachel was probably drunk when she made that video. That's the only explanation.

[@Endorphinn_]

She wasn't. She is simply much more cultured than you will ever be. Having immense knowledge is a great power that simple-minded, contemptuous, and despicable people like you will never know.

[@ПашаЕвдокимов-щ4ч]

I don't agree about the pronunciation of the word 'grueling'. Longman pronunciation dictionary as well as Cambridge dictionary give this transcription: /ˈɡruːᵊlɪŋ/. This symbol "ᵊ" means that the shwa sound can be inserted in this words. It means that both pronunciations are correct: with or without the shwa before the "l" consonant. To be fair, Marina makes a lot of mistakes, but as far as I understand, this one wasn't a mistake.

[@fredylopez2477]

Dictionaries are correct, there's no doubt about it. BUT. Native speakers use only one of those pronunciations the most, I guess that's what Kevin meant to say in the video.

[@Fiend1sh3]

Well, correcting the pronunciation of grueling was a bit over the top. /ˈɡɹu.lɪŋ/ and /ˈɡɹu.əl.ɪŋ/ are both correct.

[@pashu16af]

Well, it's the same as "clothes" pronounced /kloʊðz/ in dictionaries and nobody says it that way. That's the point.

[@fredylopez2477]

I wanna be as objective as I can and from an objective point of view, I can say that Dictionaries are correct, there's no doubt about it and Kevin knows that too BUT, He teaches real life american English, as he always says and some native English speakers don't always comply the Grammar rules of their own mother tongue, NOT because they don't know them, it's just that sometimes they don't care about them. Besides, maybe both pronunciations are correct according to dictionaries BUT one of those pronunciations is the most used one which is the one Kevin mentioned.