Avoid This Saturation Mistake

[@tnbeats5154]

The three-stage mixing tactic you gave at the end was pure gold, thank you!

[@axelezequiel97]

how is? can you resume ?

[@cosignsessions3141]

Wavesfactory Spectre handles emphasis/de-emphasis within the plugin.

[@baileys6346]

Spectre is a fantastic parallel multi-band Saturator

[@twitchyboneselectronica2375]

Using the softer 6db/octave slope on the band cutoffs also helps.

[@alessandrogarofalo8699]

Ciao SA, I think saturation generates harmonics over the full audio spectrum and not just from the lowest foundamental

[@dm1456-h7y]

Implying that this matters is more than a stretch. And I don't think a saturator generates harmonics just from the fundamental frequency. I don't think saturators can even tell what the "fundamental" note of a given sound is. And I have never in my life managed to make a mix or (any sound really) sound out of tune by using a multiband saturator.

[@KebabTM]

The easier solution to this is use a separate saturator instance for each band so the next saturator sees the fundamentals from the previous one.

[@Reggi_Sample]

In essence, use multiband saturators to saturate one band at a time eg the mids but not the highs and lows. Otherwise use full bandwidth

[@mikelo303]

That was very intyeresting. Thank you!

[@joelarmendariz8876]

Definitely a home run technique with this, the clarity at the end with the emphasis/de-emaphasis technique is great... great insight and video!!!

[@joshy909]

That's going to help my music no end. And full credit for your honesty.

[@TheKhoirentakBrothers]

Regard saturation i guess it works best with vocal and drums only i guess it doesnt go that well with instrument tracks tho but distortion works on bass.

[@jasonpoulin5197]

Dang! Lightbulb just lit

[@KristohanongBisdakMusic]

Very informative. Thanks for this!

[@iamcookbook]

would be interesting to use Scaler EQ before Saturn to bring up frequencies that are in key and then use Saturn to generate harmonics based on those frequencies

[@ENDOFFEB]

Literally anytime I do any sort of frequency specific saturation I am picking individual pieces of consonants n letters within a phrase to accentuate n shine/crunch/drive etc. depending on what saturation characteristic i am trying to emphasize . Not necessarily transients because those vary but very specific points of words . i.e., the initial formation of the letter 'R' in the word 'rolling' or the backside of the letter f in 'muhfuckin'

[@reisaki18]

When using emphasis de-emphasis technique, it is better to input it in parallel.

[@mixedbybellymusic]

Spectra manual explained this also.. In which it uses the emphasis/ de-emphasis route ...

[@maciejkoslinski2923]

neverf thought of that. glad to have come by this video much love

[@lawinter1949]

I have been wanting a sidechain input and filter on a saturation plugin for a long time. I can’t believe this doesn’t exist yet.

[@mayoshanebeats]

I believe in that saying just don't forget about true peaks

[@XRaym]

Another solution: parallel processing, putting the dufferent saturations on fullbands, and using frequency splitting and joining after. EDIT: just tested, it sounds quite different in fact. Not sure it is in a expcted ways, the sounds is more compressed (the lower frequencies takes lots of space with saturation)

[@TROYVIXIOUS]

tuning saturators is crazy

[@rafalvarezsevilla]

the emphasiz de emphasiz trick is an awesome idea!!

[@Griuofficial]

Thanks for the video , I’ve never thought about this

[@sparkplugrecs.official]

it would be amazing to see a "fundamental" mode alongside the linear mode or other modes that had these ideas incorporated into the function of where the bands "set" internally for uses like this. maybe an even/odd option or other types of harmonic modes on top of having the bands react to one fundamental across the plugin...

[@SoundPeaks]

I like to think about saturators as something that makes a square wave of a sine wave.

[@DylanBretzJr]

Literally had my palm to my face at one point watching this… thanks for figuring this one out for us!

[@alfieholloway]

What happens if you send your normal saturator on your vocal, the vocal then goes through a delay, where you add more saturation to the delay bus, in a delay plug in like echoboy... Do you end up with unpleasant frequencies? Let's say you bus the delay out to a reverb and you add a chorus and maybe even another saturator... Can this all become unharmonic?

[@7traccs159]

The only thing you should know is that if it sounds good, do it

[@shaferproducergod]

So what I gather from this if instead of inserting this directly on the signal, instead send it to a bus and generate harmonica on the whole signal. Then use post eq to eq the harmonics into just the ranges you want the harmonics to exist. Blend this bus in with the original dry signal and you will have much more musical saturation (if that is what you are looking for)

[@Yohmss]

thank you very much, it's so true, and you just gave me the key, it's so obvious, why didn't I think of it sooner? Thank you

[@LBJedi]

Could you also put saturators in series? Like a full spectrum followed by one only saturating everything above a particular note.

[@micromando4669]

Would it make sense to saturate in parallel and insert an autotuning device?

[@shawnsteven1869]

mannnnn at some point we have to get our own sound 😂 if there are no rules.. thank you for all the tips over the year

[@alfieholloway]

Fascinating

[@gless5537]

❤❤❤❤ thanks

[@Iam369beatz]

Can I record through the preamp plugin.?

[@cazalorganism7020]

Mind boggling realization you had. How exactly did you find this out?

[@JamesJones-th3ml]

This might explain some things for me too. I always hated how my voice sounds dry through a Digital DAW and a regular live PA. I never knew about Saturation until the last couple years. When I first added Saturn to my vocals, I got lucky apparently and it really sounded like my tone in vocals went up a few notches like everything everyway I was singing sounded like it was SUPPOSED TO! HAHAHA But the next few times I tried it, it never sounded the same. Good but it never gave me that wow effect. I used the multiband in a different spot. It was the highs. I wonder if I just put the split in the wrong spot! I'll look into that. Thanks for the info!

[@xrabbz2010]

Something I never really thought about, makes a lot of sense though!

[@You-ud2fp]

Just add scaler eq after sauration, you're welcome guys

[@Wizardofvoz2]

Excellent

[@marianlech3378]

So when i distort the whole mix and everything starts to scream, youre telling me its just the harmonics of the bass and the thump of the kick, really?

[@negvey]

Glad you found this and pointed it out, thanks

[@1masterfader]

I wonder if you can use Torgue to shift certain harmonics to where you want them? This is deep. I can hear the results

[@whyyoumakethissohard]

Fantastic

[@moleex5759]

I realised it wasn't saturating the previous band, but i assumed they stacked from left to right. it all makes more sense now.

[@ahmed187x]

How did you discoverd this ?

[@dyonissiszoes3747]

Wow! Thanks 🙏

[@lewchootrain]

Do you know what the signal looks like when you use something like Little Radiator from Soundtoys?

[@ManjyMusic]

still waiting for a video about sends.. reverbs..delay.. to have very clean smooth spaces =)

[@Luckyrrul]

Yes

[@EricJohnson-fh8zj]

Not to imply that learning and improving doesnt matter, but to me this is just more evidence that these type of fine details makes very close to zero difference to the average listener. If it can go unoticed for so long by a experienced mastering engineer who is actively working on the tracks in a very analytical way....that tells me it will have extremely little effect on the listeners perception of a song.

[@amp4105]

Is there a saturation plugin that works with eq bands like soothe?

[@rawpoweraudio]

Wavesfactory Spectre. And it’s really good

[@alphaoscillator]

we want soothe2 but with a scale menu, so the in-tune freqs wont be supressed !11!

[@josepe217]

Interesting for a single instrument, but for a whole mix I don’t know man. There are happening so many things at the same time that is very difficult to Saturn just saturate one pick from the spectrum. I would say that saturation on mastering stage is a decision purely esthetic, you know.. is about how sounds and feel.

[@KaraokePro0001]

Its means that the resonance are those notes wich are not in our Scale key I am right????

[@elijahlucian]

What did this mistake cost you?

[@ewr34certxwertwer]

it is always best to avoid multiband processing on the master bus

[@TimHenrion]

Fantastic info!

[@vycsh]

I never liked the saturn. Now I know why.

[@phantom_him]

That's smart, but just checking: you mean one EQ instance, then the Saturn, then afterward another EQ with the opposite curve? Right? So an EQ either side of the saturator, right?

[@viktorlarzev3528]

well that actually means a band saturation on master bus have nothing to do there! also with these "trick" with pool up and cut again, cause you don't want to add ew only for treagering s saturator. How it always was, good sounding track is made in mixing area!

[@jobulog4545]

Dig that tune you’re using

[@TollsterMensch]

I don't use Saturn but saturation in general doesn't work the way you explain it in the video at all

[@TCmadethis]

So u gotta tune my saturators now 😢

[@KYTHERAOfficial]

Spectre!

[@kidsonicofficial]

This is really interesting.

[@alexmouthon]

Damnnnn amazing

[@genesisnkaidence8519]

What initially thinking was ? How’d you not know that 😂..

[@Chamber_xo]

Ha I thought this also

[@larsthomasdenstad9082]

This is indeed interesting and not at all how I thought it worked. I personally use Spectre by Wavesfactory more than I use Saturn and I am curious if has the same issue. It makes sense that these problems occur if the multiband saturator creates a frequency window into the signal before doing saturation. However, saturating the whole signal first and then applying the windowing to the saturated signal would fix this issue, right? And my gut feeling is that that is what Spectre does, but I might be talking out of the wrong end here. Anyway, thanks a lot of the information.

[@dm1456-h7y]

"not at all how I thought it worked" - And you were right. A saturator does not distinguish between fundamental and non fundamental frequencies. That's not how a saturator works.

[@larsthomasdenstad9082]

​@@dm1456-h7y I appreciate the response, are you saying the whole original video is wrong? Or did I say something stupid again?

[@dm1456-h7y]

@@larsthomasdenstad9082 Yup the video is wrong. What matters is which frequencies are the most dominant (in terms of amplitude). Whichever they are would be more emphasized by the saturation plugin. This is a pretty common technique that's used in guitar amps (which are essentially saturators). E.g if you boost around 200hz before a guitar amp, the resulting tone is going to be flabby and loose. If you cut around 200, it's going to be tight and percussive, etc. A saturation plugin (or a hardware unit) by itself does not and cannot distinguish between fundamental and non-fundamental frequencies. And I don't know any mixer who "tunes" saturation/distortion plugins. If your mixes sound shit, this is probably the last place you would look at.

[@АндрейЮрченков-ш3ф]

omg

[@арабскоесальто-с7и]

Saturation is great, but I wouldn't listen to the music used in the video anyway, as it's already so loud that it sounds distorted. It's very clearly audible on the keyboards. Why is it that you sound engineers talk about sound clarity, yet you don't care about very loud distortion that is audible even on consumer devices? What's the purpose of this, to get a couple LUFS? But my ears hurt. You are the reason why many people find modern music hard to listen to.

[@mineraljunction]

lmao what

[@shinyisshiny7780]

lmao....

[@farhanhosseini3881]

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