Axiom Crave Disc Review | Neutron vs Fission vs Proton

[@bearislandjosh5279]

I have found with fission plastic that I need to take about ten grams off the weight you'd normally throw. I bag a 173 neutron Crave and a 160 fission. Close flight paths, but the fission is slightly more flippy, but it absolutely goes further than the neutron. Fantastic discs.

[@FlippyJamesDG]

Need to find a fission in lighter weight and try it for sure.

[@mmdoof]

Yeah, Fission doesn't really lose stability compared to max weight "normal" plastic until you go below 160g. Don't be scared to try the low weights, even 140 class discs usually have good stability as long as your form is smooth. Also the thing about Fission's stability is, it usually has very similar high speed stability, but it's the ending fade where the difference shows. If you're good at producing spin, even the 11 speeds can produce a midrange-like straight finish.

[@bengrant6478]

I love the crave for flip up for hand shots. With a simple flick of the wrist I get beautiful wood shaping shots. I love it! I use the neutron crave

[@FlippyJamesDG]

Got 36 holes I’ve never played lined up today. I’ll try it out if one of them calls for it!

[@NoChairs4]

love the crave! I picked one up at my local shop and it felt amazing in the hand so i bought it. It immediately went in the bag. I am primarily a forehand player and have been playing for 7 years. I have never thrown a more versatile disc. I can work this on any line and is by far my farthest throwing fairway and its not even close. It is effortless distance on forehands.

[@FlippyJamesDG]

That’s awesome! I really like how it feels in my hand. I put the proton one in my bag and have grown to like it. Took my river out. I also like it on forehands! Thanks for sharing 😃

[@spaceman61]

what plastic to buy?

[@FlippyJamesDG]

I like proton

[@jondoe2119]

Heavy fission for a flip up to flat laser beam, and I have a 160 that I love for hyzer flip turn overs. I just used them probably 10 times off the tee on the last course I played. Just my fave control driver to do a little of everything.

[@FlippyJamesDG]

Thats awesome. Love that you have one disc that can do so much for you. The proton i've been using more and starting to like it more.

[@iw9309]

There are a few shots at my home course where you need a sort of "pushing" hyzer shape, and the crave does that nicely for me. I need it to turn left the whole flight but not dump on me.

[@FlippyJamesDG]

Ooooo yes, this would be great for that. Great point!

[@mmdoof]

The more stable runs in Proton or Plasma are my go-to laser beam hyzerflip discs in the 95-115 meter range. A beat up one will do the same line but finishes turned over, a very important shot in the woods. With forehand, I keep to distances between 75-100m. It's basically the disc I throw on the lines where an MPO player would throw a midrange. I used to have very beat up ones for wide turnovers and rollers, but I lose a lot of discs, so nowadays I just use the Rhythm for those shots (and it flies considerably farther, too!) Also if I have a hard tailwind, I can just smash on a Crave and get distance driver distance on a very narrow line. A light Fission Crave is obviously the ideal disc for this.

[@FlippyJamesDG]

I’m amazed at how much I like throwing it forehand. I might end up getting the fission one back out and giving it another try. Big fan of proton.

[@mmdoof]

@@FlippyJamesDG yeah, not too many discs in that speed and stability range are as easy to throw forehand. Just a tiny bit of hyzer is enough to keep it from turning over. Very dependable disc in the woods. Also the flat top of the Proton and Plasma versions is neat.

[@dougadamsau]

Interesting! Thanks for the video. As a Crave fan (have way too many), the two Protons I own are easily more OS than any of the others. Fissions fly a little further. Plasma are dead straight. Neutron / Hokom’s are a bit all over the place. Old Neutrons (pre-Hokom) fly a nice S shape. R2’s fly similar to old Neutrons. Never seen an Eclipse Crave. Conclusion - Craves are run dependent 😂

[@FlippyJamesDG]

Haha great conclusion. An eclipse crave would be sweet to have!

[@GolfInHawaii69]

So should i choose fission plastic over neutron?

[@FlippyJamesDG]

I think it really depends on what feels better to you.

[@gabeslife0601]

I bag 153g and 172g fission craves and love them both. The 153g will turn over and drift to the right or flip up and fly very straight. I always use them in the woods.

[@FlippyJamesDG]

I might have to get the fission one back out, just not sure if I’m a fan of how it feels. Beating in this proton one though. Do you prefer fission?

[@moidg]

I find weight differences in the Fission plastic will make more of a difference than in other plastics. 150-160g Fission will flip fast straight from the factory, even more so when beat in. Plasma I find will flip at a normal amount, and more when beat in. Neutron are for sure the most stable, especially the Sarah Hokom run. I don't use it very often as it barely flips and if I want something to fade that fast I'd just go for a Volt or Shock. Craves are mostly for flip or straight shots. I haven't thrown a Proton Crave yet though.

[@FlippyJamesDG]

I played yesterday and I think the proton is going to beat in nice.

[@mmdoof]

The first Hokom run had some very flippy ones, but after that, they've been pretty much spot on with the flight numbers. I loved my first Hokoms for backhand hyzerflip turnovers, but I couldn't find replacements. Now there's the Rhythm that flies very close to that. Protons have a tad less turn, and looking at wing shapes at the store, Plasma looks similarly more stable.

[@shanesplanetshane3795]

@@mmdoof I love the nuetron Hokom in 150's class. Im a noodle arm and the crave is my flip to flat driver. I had a river, but the crave is same flight, only safer. When Im feeling strong but not confident, I lean to my K1 KaxeZ. Its just a 'safer' crave. My longest drivers are insanities. I throw a stupid light fission for when I have plenty of shot space. I throw the plasma insanity in 170's, for the ride flat and fade. My Tesla in fission 150's is my 'safer' and into the wind driver. For heavy OS duties, I just resort to my 170's nuetron volt, or my 170's Moonshine Spark.

[@Dafunkyjunky870]

My favorite for when I don’t want to throw my mids hard. Soft slow hyzer shots like 320 and in that thing is the one! I like it a lot it’s become a staple in my bag!

[@FlippyJamesDG]

That’s awesome! Exactly how I feel about the mids. What plastic do you throw it in?

[@Dafunkyjunky870]

@@FlippyJamesDG I’ve got a neutron crave it’s spectacular! If the hex won’t do it the crave for sure will!

[@tbwhawk5637]

Crave is my go to disc for straight flat shots, feel comfortable with jt when I need to hit a gap

[@FlippyJamesDG]

When I grab it to hit a gap, I always tend to try too hard. Need to remember to lay off and let it just do it’s thing. Great disc.

[@tbwhawk5637]

@FlippyJamesDG don't get me wrong ai don't always hit the gap lol I only found out about disc golf 8 months ago, it's not big in Scotland

[@TheMaddestMaxx]

Bought a fission crave (163g) and I did great with it first day. I was using a maverick in its place before that but I like the crave WAY better.

[@FlippyJamesDG]

That’s awesome! What’s the flight like for you with the fission plastic?

[@TheMaddestMaxx]

@@FlippyJamesDG Ive only played about three rounds with it but I can make it do some pretty cool turns on a Hyzer throw and I can make it go low and straight if I need it to as well. I just got a soft neutron as well but I haven’t even. Thrown it just yet. The first chuck with it was a downhill par3 at 260 ft and it was an easy toss about 3 feet from the basket . I like it a lot.

[@eristicfreethinker2098]

I was looking for a hyzer flip disc and bought the Hokum Crave. It is not a hyzer flip disc for me (yet?). Definitely stable at my arm speed (375’ usable). Fission may be what I should have purchased.

[@FlippyJamesDG]

I gifted the neutron one so not sure how fast it will beat in to hyzer flip. My proton one beat in and has held stability. Great hyzer flip to straight. Have thrown the fission once since making this video.

[@shanesplanetshane3795]

my 150's class Hokom in nuetron, is my flip up disc. Im a 250' noodle arm. Weight makes a big difference in gyro, me thinks. My 150's fission insanity and 170's plasma insanity are similar but Obviously different. Plasma being much more reliably stable. Fwiw, I've beat the sh*t out of my mvp discs, and they don't seem to beat in quickly at all. Lat's gold line tho.. I have some gold ice that I love, but man does it become flippy fast.

[@kylemcgranahan4839]

Looks like the proton crave is the best? I've not thrown a crave yet but love my Innova made c line FD, maybe this is too similar to it?

[@FlippyJamesDG]

Depends on preference but for what I was looking for out of it, it’s my favorite. I’ve never thrown an FD. Plastic might be similar, but as for flight numbers looks like the FD won’t have as much turn and a little more glide.

[@mmdoof]

The flat top ones usually have a very FD-like flight, so Protons and Plasmas. I replaced the TL with the Crave back in the day when Plasma Craves were board flat and stable and the Crave was almost more overstable than the TL, close to 2nd run FD but a little less glide.

[@thisdirtsforyou]

I’ve found the fission plastic in heavier weights is more stable than neutron. Just my opinion. I definitely prefer crave in fission. Thanks for the video! I’m really digging my 173 fission crave a lot over the 173 neutron I lost.

[@FlippyJamesDG]

I ended up gifting the neutron one in this video to a friend. I like how the plastic feels but wasn’t what I was looking for in a flight. The proton one is flipping nice now. Does have a chunk missing though… what are you liking about the fission?

[@thisdirtsforyou]

@@FlippyJamesDG Honestly I would have never bought it if it wasn’t the only crave my local shop had after I lost my neutron! I had to play in a tournament 2 days later and I have to have a crave! The only one they had was a 173 fission! So I got it! I feel like I can put more power into it and the heavier fission will handle it better. I also got a few volts a few months ago, one in proton, neutron and heavy fission. The heavier fission seems to be the most stable. I really don’t like the volt though, I swapped to a neutron terra!

[@Ballovirta]

what discs do the crave compare to in other brands? Like trilogy, Prodigy or Innova

[@FlippyJamesDG]

Only thing close that I’ve thrown is a river.

[@moris_moreaces]

There are 2 holes specifically that are my Crave shots. One is called the "Green Monster," currently hole 16 at Oak Grove. Off the tepid you have to hit a 45 degree angle on anhyzer to clear some tall trees, which then allows the disc to arch back into the fairway about 200 more feet to the pin. The other is a desert hole, currently 14, that forces a blind hyzer shot to hit an island pin. Blind from the tee pad. You throw and listen for chains. My Sarah Hokum Crave is money. BUT.... I need something faster that flies further. Crave can go dead straight and fade forward for me. I am looking at an Opto Air River right now. 7 7 -1 1.

[@FlippyJamesDG]

Try the discmania essence. I think that might be a good option for what you’re looking for 😃

[@ErikGDiscGolf]

I had a hard time liking both of the craves I have currently. I have one that is pretty beat up but it doesnt hyzer flip? If I try to hyzer it, it hold the hyzer but when I throw it flat it burns over to the right. My other one is more new and still holds hyzer but does better when thrown flat. It just seems kind of inconsistent for me. I do however really like it for straight flip up forehand shots. I think it will stay in the bag just for that shot. They are both neutron sarah hokum runs

[@FlippyJamesDG]

I kept the proton on in the bag to this day. It will flip to flat and go straight. Or just got straight and slowly fade when thrown softer. How long have you had the neutron ones?

[@ErikGDiscGolf]

@@FlippyJamesDG one is fairly new around 1 month old. The other one I found so not sure how used it was but it looked pretty beat up and they are both lightweight. 165g and 159g for the more beat up one. I really thought they would flip more for me on backhand

[@FlippyJamesDG]

@ErikGDiscGolf give them a bit more time and I bet they will. How far do you normally throw?

[@ErikGDiscGolf]

@@FlippyJamesDG around 300-350ft

[@ErikGDiscGolf]

@@FlippyJamesDG right now I’m using an f7 for the shot I want my beat in crave to do which is the hyzer flip to slight turn then fade. F7 does it beautifully

[@nicolaiberg6579]

I have 3 Craves, but I bag 2. One Hokom Signature Crave and a fission. For me the Neutron Hokom is way more understable while the fission is laser straight. The third I have is a plasma, which is really stable.

[@FlippyJamesDG]

What weight is your fission in? Do you have a favorite?

[@nicolaiberg6579]

@@FlippyJamesDG It's in the 160's. Hard to choose between the fission and the Hokom neutron. Looking at the flight, they are two completely different discs. The neutron acts more like a rhythm than a crave.

[@FlippyJamesDG]

Ahh the fission in the video is a 170. Should try and get my hands on a lighter one. Haven’t thrown a rhythm yet!

[@kooziemon6955]

The crave is not a distance driver it would be something you throw flat or on a slight Annie or Heiser to go through the woods with reliable control and distance 😊

[@FlippyJamesDG]

This video is old I have no idea what I said in it haha I just did another crave video last week though! I do think the crave is a great “distance driver” for beginners though.

[@beeps7378]

My arm speed (and technique) is garbage, so the Crave is my go-to off the tee. Finally took the age old advice of not throwing high-speed discs with a low-speed arm. I can get to about 300-325 feet grooving a Crave vs. trying to throw my arm off with a Destroyer for the same distance. Obviously those distances aren’t impressive to anyone, but my 40 year old body is grateful for a disc I can flip up and at least get to a decent position for an approach shot without risking injury while working to improve my technique.

[@FlippyJamesDG]

That’s awesome! I have a video coming out sometime today of the Streamline Ascend. Based on your comment, I think it will be a must try for you!

[@beeps7378]

Just subbed so I’ll see it when it drops! Enjoying your personality and watching you throw. I wish I had my release angles dialed in like you do.

[@FlippyJamesDG]

I don’t remember exactly, but I’m sure I through multiple shots to make them good for the review. I’ll do that when it’s an actual disc review and not a keeping score round. Also, this video was shot once and I trashed the whole thing because release angles weren’t on. You’ll also see in the ascend video, doesn’t happen every time 😂 Glad you’re enjoying the personality, appreciate the sub!

[@shanesplanetshane3795]

I'm same. My crave is my goto tee driver. Only when Im feeling froggy, do I step up to the 150's class fission insanity. Man does that thing like to flip. THe 170's plasma insanity is the safer variant to my styrofoamie insanity. Ima basic 250' thrower of about 25 years....

[@nikkbokg]

I love crave, maybe my fav disk next to avenger ss. My neutron I can shit 4ft off the ground and it will fly 350ft like a laser, it’s basically a hex but faster and farther for me. Also if I power down it’s my num1 fav disk for flex shots. Which sounds weird. But give a 100ft flex a shot with this guy.

[@nikkbokg]

Downhill I like this disc a lot as well

[@FlippyJamesDG]

The proton one has been in my bag ever since making this video. Until I lost it at northwood black over the weekend 😂 So I now love them too. Do you only bag a neutron one?

[@nikkbokg]

@@FlippyJamesDG otb eclipse, otb soft nuet, hokom neutron

[@JoshJackson13]

I've had 3 proton craves and I like my neutron relay better. My first crave was pretty good it was domey and that old sparkle plastic.

[@FlippyJamesDG]

Why do you prefer the relay? I haven’t thrown one yet.

[@JoshJackson13]

@@FlippyJamesDG it hyzer flips maybe a little drift but finishes straight and don't Skip. It's more like a mid

[@rogerurbanek1564]

I have or have had 5 Craves…. Hokom 172g -Most OS Fission 149g -Very flippy great tailwind Disc Hokom 167g - 2nd most Understable Proton 174g- very straight PDGA membership Neutron 169g - very straight too. Have only thrown it a few times. My 172 Hokom Crave has beat in nice and I can throw it 100% power to 250-300 feet just dead straight.

[@FlippyJamesDG]

Awesome to have such a variety in the same mold. Thanks for sharing 😃

[@rogerurbanek1564]

@@FlippyJamesDG you’re welcome. Like that other person said, they are run dependent unfortunately. I love that 172g Hokom Crave but I can’t find another like it. The rest are just too flippy for me or maybe just less torque and wind resistant. I’ve been meaning to give a Hailey King Hawkeye a try. 7/5/-1/1. Just came out this spring. You should try it out, and maybe compare it to the Crave.

[@FlippyJamesDG]

Great suggestion! Might pick up another river to throw in the mix. Mine is too beat in.

[@stephenscott4687]

I use it for laser beam hyzer flip shots at like 70% are going about 380.

[@FlippyJamesDG]

Daaang how far are you throwing it at 100%

[@stephenscott4687]

@@FlippyJamesDG I can’t really throw it much harder because it’ll turn over too much. I’ll throw a plasma servo or an glow insanity if I need to push it farther than that. They are slightly more stable for me.

[@pres13vt]

Please add follow flights for future vids. I stopped watching halfway cause I could only see the disc for the first third of the flight and then lost it.

[@FlippyJamesDG]

Some of my videos do have follow flights. If the quality setting is on 1080p I do believe the discs can be seen in this one though.

[@pres13vt]

@@FlippyJamesDG I don't know what percentage I'm in that only watch youtube on my phone, but that might be part of the issue. Either way, I can't be the only person with this problem. If I can't see the finish of the flight the entire review is useless though.

[@ethanzapach]

Agree

[@FlippyJamesDG]

Check current videos 😃

[@thenerdgirl1]

I use my Crave as a baby Insanity. For shorter straight shots.

[@FlippyJamesDG]

Haven’t thrown an insanity yet. What plastic do you like the crave in?

[@thenerdgirl1]

@@FlippyJamesDG I have the Crave in a Fission and a Plasma. My two Insanity ones are in plasma. They're amazingly straight flyers. I always reach for it.

[@shanesplanetshane3795]

Bingo! I use my crave mostly as Im a noodle arm wooded player. My craves are sarahs in nuetron 150's class. When Im feeling REALLY froggy, I toss a 150'sfission insanity. I dont know why I like it, it usually goes REALLY badly. I guess I like to see it flip up, even tho it grants me very little extra distance. My 170's plasma insanity is money, tho. If Im throwing really hard for the day, that plasma just LOVES to ride. Hard as F8ck to find those plasma colors in the woods, for real!

[@footfaultdiscgolf]

foot fault, great disc

[@FlippyJamesDG]

Second. What plastic do you throw it in?

[@footfaultdiscgolf]

@@FlippyJamesDG I currently bag the proton but I have a beat in neutron that is pretty Flippy.