Ayelet Gilboa | The Rise of Ancient Israel and Other Problematic Entities

Oriental Institute Membership lecture: The Rise of Ancient Israel and Other Problematic Entities: An Archaeological Perspective
Ayelet Gilboa, director of the Zinman Institute of Archaeology

[@ISAC_UChicago]

Lecture begins at 3:21 Q&A begins at 1:17:20

[@tongboy187]

The Oriental Institute thank you. And thank you also for the endlessly fascinating lectures :-)

[@ian_b]

Thank you, and thank you for providing these lectures to watch. They're a treasure.

[@bcast9978]

Cool. Thank you!

[@hittitecharioteer]

Very interesting lecture. Thankyou.

[@RonJohn63]

You know your viewers... :)

[@mikefruge8589]

I watched this lecture a few years ago. I was so impressed with this Israeli archaeologist's honesty in regard to the true history of Israel. It seems as though most Israeli and Zionist Christians archaeology is conducted for the purpose of finding proof that the Bible is historically accurate. Real archaeology should never have a preconceived, desired result. Ayelet is a true archaeologist that allows the facts and findings to be result of her research. Because of her honesty and dedication, it seems that Ayelet has been shuffled away from the limelight she so richly deserves. I could not remember her name, so I went to Wikipedia in search of Israeli Archaeologist. Incredibly, her name was not to be found. Fortunately, after many, many searches I found this video.

[@carlodefalco7930]

Zionist Christian archaeology. 🤔 of course they want to prove the bible ..just as Islamists distort scientific facts to try and prove the nonsense of koran , Islam

[@rademfam6856]

Listening to lectures like these and documentaries help me sleep so thank you

[@israel6499]

Like wise

[@saskiascott8181]

Lol burn

[@rademfam6856]

@@saskiascott8181 not a burn, a compliment. Its interesting enough to watch but calmly done to ease into sleep

[@saskiascott8181]

@@rademfam6856 I misunderstood! Thanks

[@rademfam6856]

@@saskiascott8181 all good, I can see how what I wrote can seem like it's boring enough to fall asleep to but I enjoy these while I fall asleep.. It's perfect

[@okasa64]

Conclusions from Prof. Gilboa’s slides with minor edits 1. In the 12th ~ 11th centuries, after the Late Bronze Age collapse and especially after the withdrawal of the Egyptians, the southern Levant was in social and demographic havoc, especially in the south, close to Egypt, where the disappearance of the Egyptians was particularly felt. This enabled the relatively peaceful infiltration of newcomers fleeing the LBA collapse. 2. In the core (mountainous) areas of the future Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, populations are largely of Canaanite descent. 3. Even in the other coastal areas, no large scale violent population influx is in evidence. But in the region we now call Philistia, newcomers, mainly from Cyprus and the Agean, mingled with the ‘locals’, achieving high status because of the social chaos and formed a new identity. These are the Philistines. 4. Cypriot newcomers also reached the more northerly coast of modern Israel (and coastal Lebanon) but the material manifestation of these Cypriotes (and the societies they were absorbed into) is entirely different than in Philistia. Today we call them Phoenicians. They were the main sailors and traders of the era. Only after Dor and the entire Carmel coast was annexed by the Israelite Kingdoms, and Dor loses its maritime importance, do the kingdoms of Tyre and Sidon gain supremacy. To conclude, Israelites, Philistines, and Phoenicians are all ‘genetically’ mostly Canaanite in ancestry. Ethnogenesis (the formation of new identity groups) occurs in situ: new, separate identities emerge within Canaan, in opposition to each other, dictated by geographical and demographic settings, economy extent of foreign interactions, and also by external populations arriving after the Bronze Age collapse. Construction of identities occurs in tandem and is interdependent.

[@johnbecay6887]

thank you for condensing this complicated subject into a more accessible form.

[@christopherdiedrich40]

This summary of the lecture is much appreciated! Though I am aware of the importance of this information and do not dispute this womans knowledge in any way, I personally found the actual lecture to be painfully difficult to listen to. Thank you for doing this!

[@Ken_Scaletta]

Much appreciated. Thanks.

[@RecordsLotus_]

SMART GUY, FUNNY HOW YOU IGNORE THE FACT THAT ISRAEL DIDNT EVEN EXIST UNTIL 80 YEARS AGO AND YOU IGNORE THE ENTIRE FALSE PREMISE THAT THIS WHOLE THING IS "ANCIENT ISRAEL" A TOTAL AND COMPLETE LIE. ITS CALLED PALESTINE.

[@okasa64]

@@RecordsLotus_ To be clear, I just transcribed Prof. Gilboa’s summary slides from her lecture, although I don't disagree with her conclusions. The period under discussion is after Egypt lost control of the region following the Late Bronze Age collapse, around 1177 BC. By about 800 BC, there were two kingdoms in the area, the northern Kingdom of Israel and the southern Kingdom of Judah, as well as the Philistines in the south and the Phoenicians in the north. The point of this lecture was to try to understand the ethnic and cultural makeup of the populations living in the middle east at that time.

[@harrytpk]

This is a outstanding lecture about Israel, Canaan, Phoenicia and the entire Levant from the Bronze Age collapse c 1170 to about 800 BCE.

[@johnbecay6887]

harrytpk exactly the time i am interested in.

[@naradaian]

Rubbish she cant communicate any passion or interest. As dull as possiy

[@RecordsLotus_]

outstanding that is a complete and total lie. israel didnt even exist until 80 years ago. THERE NEVER WAS AND THERE NEVER WILL BE AN "ANCIENT ISRAEL"

[@mattnewhouse1781]

@@RecordsLotus_ racist much?

[@charlesmadison1384]

@@RecordsLotus_ So ... the ancient texts of the Jewish people do not mention an Israel along the Mediterranean coast? What does this say about your credibility !?!

[@kimberlyperrotis8962]

To the OI producer: 1. I wish the screen showing the speaker would be enlarged again, after showing the Thanks screen, to full-size during the Q&A period. 2. I think audience members should be limited to one question each, there are always so e who want to dominate with multiple complex questions. Thank you for such excellent productions! I enjoy them so much, and learn so much.

[@nhabib114]

Exceptional subject. I study Near Eastern religions. Just beginning to. Great lecture.

[@scottjosen2606]

So very well done!!!! Your presentation encapsulated many years of personal observation, opinion and speculation on my part in defacto laity. I've forwarded this link to several who I believe will benefit from your very easily digestible spread of wonderful info. Again, fantastic!!

[@scottjosen2606]

I've seen speculation that Moses' name is Egyptian with Tutmoses' name cited but nothing about them being the same. Odd to think he'd return to Egypt at point of demise and be entombed as such. Don't suspect that the man intentionally withheld info but rather presented thst which he'd considered most relevant for his purpose.

[@cindirose3390]

What a great speaker with such fascinating connections of migration of cultures. I especially enjoyed her highlighting the two distinct styles of loom weights; my mother and grandmother both used looms and I learned to card and spin the yarn on both a drop spindle and spinning wheel. Particularly interesting those two styles if weights were IN SAME household; now I am curious how the weaving styles differed. Thank you for an A1 lecture altogether. Praise the lecturer/researcher/inspiration

[@philo3936]

kho kho khomkhokho what a joke of a language 🤣

[@timsmith6675]

Good lecture, Dr. Gilboa. It is interesting to learn about the how the Canaanites and Israelites were basically the same people but diverted from each group.

[@ammaryohanan9584]

the israelites where a branch of canaan as the tribe of shammar today are a branch from the arabs

[@RecordsLotus_]

There's no such thing as 'israelite' !! Didnt exist ! They were Palestinian Arabs. Israel didnt exist until 80 years ago.

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

@@RecordsLotus_ Did you watch the lecture, like, at all?

[@donnacsuti4980]

@@RecordsLotus_ I'm afraid you are quite wrong Palestine is a much younger name and country. The Muslim religion did not exist until after Christ's time look up the date of Mohammed's birth. Study history. The lady knows what she is talking about.

[@jeffmacdonald9863]

@@donnacsuti4980 Not all that much younger. Palestine appears in Greek writings as a name for the region around 500 BC. Israel itself existed before that, but only for a few hundred years. Judah lasted longer, but mostly as a client state or province of various empires. Both modern Jews and Palestinian Arabs have strong genetic links to Canaanites, iirc, though obviously with contributions from other groups and of course very different cultural influences.

[@ericgoldstein4734]

Really interesting; wish the lecture were twice as long!

[@RonJohn63]

25:23 Very sad that the lower-right inset showing the speaker covers up interesting text.

[@frankwillow-rogersjr.3253]

Yes. So many Videos do this. Very (ignorant/inconsiderate!) Networks do the same. HUGE ADs...of coming features--covering current-INFOrmation. I've begun to just TurnTheChannel... . \;~ (

[@ISAC_UChicago]

We actually have heard your criticism, and have started to change our screen layout to accomodate this after this talk. Unfortunately, it’s not possible to go back and do the same for older lectures, but we are trying to constantly improve our presentation style- so please keep giving feedback! (kb)

[@kimberlyperrotis8962]

@@ISAC_UChicago Thank you, making improvements based on viewer input is much appreciated.

[@vgrof2315]

Thank you very much.

[@pedromayallguilayn507]

Excellent lecture. I did not know much about Dor.

[@enkisonofanu2301]

Thank OI for another wonderful _ and free _ lecture. If it was longer I would have continued watching.

[@aapp953]

This is the best lecture on archeology i have ever seen. Excellent execution

[@pattheplanter]

It is OK but I found this other one on the same subject better presented and with a greater density of information presented: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYS7nplmm9Obg7c

[@SaltyMinorcan]

Great, great video.

[@gillschor8843]

Excellent presentation illuminating place and people of the era.

[@jaysoncarter5093]

Very interesting point about whether, or, not the Bible guides Archeology. It's been my experience as a Samoan from Polynesia, that accidental discoveries have actually given some weight to the old stories. This all begins in Fiji, Tonga, and, Samoa. Basalt tools used as rock samples show up on all three of the 3k plus old Oceanic Civilizations. Along with pyramids throughout our Islands. Not to mention the Lapita Culture. My point is this the Bible, and, Archeology go hand in hand. There will always be discrepancies but something happened where someone did something so outstanding people passed on.

[@wesstone7571]

Have those pyramids been excavated? Anything of importance found?

[@NaturalBornKelli]

You do not surround the words "and" and "or" with commas. Use commas sparingly and only where they are necessary. The most appealing sentences have no commas. Short and to-the-point sentences are highly preferred across all levels of grammar classes.

[@jaysoncarter5093]

@@NaturalBornKelli Thanks Multi-lingual it happens. As long as you get my drift.

[@jaysoncarter5093]

@@wesstone7571 The fact that any of these relics of our past exist should important enough in my book.

[@jaysoncarter5093]

I have a school marm😂😂😂

[@indigenousnorwegianeuropa4145]

Very interesting

[@emilbordon1329]

I really enjoyed that elucidating lecture and now crave more!

[@pattheplanter]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYS7nplmm9Obg7c

[@am7535]

Iron in the 8th century was brought to Dor and Canaan by the Tyrians; as Dor, Acre and Ascalon were dominated by Tyre and Sidon. But again she never mentioned the Sicilians Nursghian origins of the Saqqala of Dor and Acre as well as the Washasha and the Tjekeru.

[@Thomas_Geist]

Given the dates, i.e., the reign of David set to about 1000BC which would have been during the middle of he dark age after the Late Bronze Age Collapse, why could not the Hebrews have either been part of the Sea People coalition or at least for some reason not harassed by it. The Phoenicians were also a “sea people, (one could say, THE sea people of the iron age) and culturally-logistically similar to the Hebrews. Hiram, king of Tyre, was engaged in helping Solomon build the first Temple and there seems no indication this was simply a business arrangement. I thought the Philistines were actually given land in the Levant by the Egyptians to pacify them and have them protect Egypt’s Southern borders. Archeology is a story spun from amazingly little information and is as prone to the development of a “Standard Model,” as any other discipline. Perhaps much more so given the obvious modern religious/political pressures.

[@hurdygurdyguy1]

No, Archaeology is not the "story," it's just the method for uncovering data. The "story" comes from the interpretation of the data.

[@Thomas_Geist]

@@hurdygurdyguy1 Yes, you’re stating the say it should be. That’s called the, “is vs. aught,” dilemma. Archaeology establishes some methods and protocols for recovering and categorizing data at digs, but to say it hasn’t also created a “standard model,” story and timeline is just silly.

[@judithokemwa2807]

"Phoenicians" was the name given to Canaanites by the Greeks.

[@Thomas_Geist]

@@hurdygurdyguy1l don’t disagree. Archaeology began in the 19th Century with what today would be called, “amateurs”. The systematic collection of artifacts came much later.

[@OldHeathen1963]

Science uncovered evidence you have Neanderthal DNA! Put that in god's pipe and smoke it!

[@requittasmith1302]

Isn't the Rockefellers big founders of the Oriental Institute AR rather shareholders

[@TheShootist]

and? so what is your point? the rockefellar family has funded much of North America's higher education. As have the Fords, the Westinghouse family, du Ponts, Carnegies and Howard Hughes. Rockefeller's donations and foundations helped build the University of Chicago; funded medical programs that led to vaccines for meningitis, yellow fever, and other diseases; and built major schools of public health at Johns Hopkins and Harvard.

[@requittasmith1302]

@@TheShootist making sure don't get offended

[@negusx8806]

@@TheShootist Is that the same Rockefeller that shut down homeopathic medicine, and gave us our uh, uh, uh, uhm endoctrination system???

[@pappidrlux1834]

Hope she does more lectures =)

[@TheMargarita1948]

Allow me to speculate that it was the same sort of situation as the British in India.

[@jasoncoetzeeadadjjzjdatune9617]

That’s a female"?!

[@somniumisdreaming]

@@jasoncoetzeeadadjjzjdatune9617 Yes, sorry you don't get to see many irl so you can't identify one.

[@theunfortunatespectacle7381]

I love these lectures, and was jolted to hear about Egypt needing wheat and barley from the Negev. Didn't Egypt feed the Mediterranean with its wheat?

[@whidoineedthis]

Different time period

[@kevinburke3478]

Needed olive & grape more than grains. I think this is more correct as Egypt was huge grain center but could grow these other products

[@theunfortunatespectacle7381]

@@whidoineedthis Thank you. If you know and don't mind, did the Egyptians start domesticating grain on their own, or were they already tied into Lower Mesopotamia?

[@whidoineedthis]

@@theunfortunatespectacle7381 i think before it was called Egypt they were already tied together from prior meetings.

[@JohnDoe-zy6tm]

@@theunfortunatespectacle7381 there are Mesopotamian cylinder seals and art motifs from the first dynasty in Egypt. So they were interacting in some way from the start. But agriculture is thousands of years older then the Egypt (3100bce) or Sumerian (4500bce) empires. It starts 10,000bce (ish) and had spread through both regions long before they were a coherent civilization. Agriculture was a prerequisite for civilization. Without is a tribe can only have about 100 members. Hunting/gathering within range of walking. Supports about 100 humans in a 50km area. To have a village, town, or later a city you need agriculture. Once you have cities you can conquer your neighbors and form kingdoms. 😉

[@am7535]

Good presentation but major mistake abt the Stele of Merneptah bec it is not Israel but Isiriar found meaning “displaced” and not “El rules”

[@lwplwp]

You can never usa a bible as a primary aource..At the very most it should only be used to cross reference events already verified.

[@connormathias5779]

I’m sure this person knows what they’re doing.

[@christopherarner8322]

The Bible is the premier source of history.

[@patshelby9285]

@@christopherarner8322 the bible is a handy frame of reference to help sort concurrent histories.

[@paulsingh9043]

Er er er er ,it er er er drove me er er er mad!😳

[@georgepaul5843]

Excellent presentation of historical facts. I admire your knowledge of Euro-Asian (Middle East) history.

[@RecordsLotus_]

Historical facts ? Israel didnt even exist until 80 years ago ! Fact ? You live in a wacko fantasy world ! ITS CALLED PALESTINE. THERE NEVER WAS AND THERE NEVER WILL BE AN ANCIENT ISRAEL.

[@peterschmidt3551]

7:54 I suggest keeping distinct and separate "genres" of logs, so you have someplace to record anything you find relevant, whether it be Biblical in nature or what have you, isolating each of these paradigms without rejecting or suppressing anything.

[@lazceylight4343]

We need to find out what the 25 of dec really means!!!

[@johnamaral6415]

Still within the old paradigma that take the Old Testament as historical book. But she seems to be moving to the minimalist position.

[@greglogan7706]

I found the comment that the biblical documents know nothing about the Egyptian rule over Canaan during I guess the late bronze age? Or thereabouts? This has to be a very very powerful reality that cannot be ignored in terms of understanding what the biblical documents actually are.

[@kamitecnative3286]

All religions stolen from KAMIT

[@paladro]

@@kamitecnative3286 and before kamit?

[@kamitecnative3286]

@@paladro not religious part

[@davidsabo405]

Fraudulent documents. They miss a lot of real actual history.

[@FrogInPot]

A simple possible explanation of why excavations of Phillistia during the Early Iron Age reveal combined Aegean and Canaanite material culture inside individual sites, is however uncomfortable likely due to sharing of homes. Being men of opposing cultures are less Leroy to share homes, I would suggest that once the Mycenaeans had conquered the area, they took some of the widows into slavery and/or their families as second wives.

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

That is the volcan of santorini Different people The are talking about greece That put the vowels to the indoeuropeans later on

[@NaderAbedrabbojanineh-nh1kr]

What About Acre , Gaza , Dor , Ashkelon , Hazor , Hebron , Jerusalem , Sequim etc ... These Were Poor Cities Without People ??????!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@moodist1er]

What evidence makes any of these sites "Israelite" except for the vocal repetition of the idea?

[@TheShootist]

well, the word Israel is right there on that stone tablet.

[@moodist1er]

@@TheShootist what stone tablet, the merneptah stele? It's disputed by non-biblical archeologists to say Jezreel, which would make more sense since it's the historic name of the region and encompasses multiple communities and not just one community of nomadic shepherds.

[@patshelby9285]

@@moodist1er Jezreel itself could easily be a variant spelling of Israel. Were "J" & "Y" not rivals in preferred spellings, and might be rendered as "I", especially if filtered through the old Roman script.

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

Like the film From the brothers

[@kimberlyperrotis8962]

Excellent, I wish Dr. Gilboa could have had two hours to present all the information she wanted to. Fifty minutes is too short for these lectures.

[@mortef]

Gotta love how all the artifacts israel find are all arab, amalek or persian.

[@negusx8806]

Wait, are you insinuating some type of fakery, dishonesty, hi-jacking, stealing, artifact appropriation?? I'm still waiting for her to talk about how unnecessary the Balfour Declaration was cuz if I'm hearing her correctly they been there forever

[@OldHeathen1963]

@@rubenhernandez2431 History says they are Cursed.

[@mgk284]

41:09 what happened between 1200-900 BCE

[@am7535]

Also she didn’t mention the origins of the Saqqala or Sheqelesh (Sicilian Nuraghians) in Dor

[@davemessenger4764]

Circus ringleaders are so stubborn.

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

Never together

[@josephsdream8234]

Did anyone else notice the two pyramids in the thumbnail of this video?! They're very obvious!

[@patshelby9285]

@Mission Gameliel pretty nearly.

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

They went to sea cost next to jerusalen

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

What about the kadesh battle

[@ISAC_UChicago]

We have an older talk on that by Robert Ritner and Theo van den Hout, Veronica. Feel free to check it out at kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2KkeJhoi5WkftE (kb)

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

They went there

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

What to you mean The alphabet was from ugarit Indoeupean

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

Sea people were before the phoenicuans

[@maralfniqle5092]

Exactly and Minoan too

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

Anyway we had alexander The seleucidas

[@johnrutledge3892]

I love archeology . I' am both "fortunately and unfortunately " not connected to it by the form of any religion or acedemia , nor am i finatialy or spiritually connected to any relationship with any religion , acedemy or governance . I do understand, that such connections can often be both a benefit ( by way of support ) and detriment (by way of social control) . I admire those (beholden to such forces) that remain as truthful as possible in such situations . Because the truth is what the ones who are good are seeking and speaking, as best they can, as Im sure was the way it has always been in antient times as it surely is today . I would like to point out a similarity in the existence/non-existence of allergies , beliefs and morals as to the people of the past as well as there is today,.for instance slavery still exists today in china and many other cultures & locations today . The native americans were allergic to milk and were gifted it by those that were not, leading to confusion and war between the unwise ones of the two cultures . Similarly to the practices of cultures , religions ,academies ,and governors then and now. With respect to right and wrong. Truth will prevail as will lies and confusion .

[@mR-dc4oq]

Sadly, slavery- sexual slavery, exists throughout the world- including the western industrialized nations. Women and children are abducted and kept as a money making product. There have been cases of forced labor slavery here in the US but they rarely come to light.

[@patshelby9285]

Ditto. Nancy Ward, of the Cherokee, was "credited" with learning dairy practices from the colonists and disseminating the knowledge among her people. A mixed blessing.

[@judithparker4608]

Egyptian symbols too!

[@gaslitworldf.melissab2897]

I was concerned that the speaker would start out _objective_ and then become the biblical archaeologists. Thankfully, I proved wrong. It seems the discipline has really evolved. I have hope that in the near future, the region will enjoy peace. Already, young Palestinians and Jews work together, marry and enjoy daily life. Let's hope that spreads as intellect rules over emotions.

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

There are many in asia

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

They took what they found

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

It shows the ones before 1200bc were sea people The neighbords of israel had yawe

[@Yourefreekinbrilliant]

It would be nice to get beyond religion. Way beyond.

[@fountbrooks2997]

What a silly statement.

[@Yourefreekinbrilliant]

@@fountbrooks2997 yar.

[@OldHeathen1963]

Amen! 😂 You are so right!

[@josephatsande1068]

The Bible gives a clue which indicates that from the time of Solomon onwards Israel was under the control of Egypt. Solomon marrying the Egyptian princes etc

[@davidsabo405]

Solomon never existed.

[@kennethmcdonald9736]

They need to explain why Deuteronomy 18:18-19 is not one of their 613 Jewish commandments.

[@wesstone7571]

What do you mean? Follow the words of Yeshua? Well, he wasn't on earth in the flesh when the commandments were given. I guess it could have said, "in the future, listen to Yeshua. " but I think God figured we'd get that one on our own. The best reason is, God gave the commandments that he wanted to give.

[@woodygilson3465]

It's an archaeology lecture, not theology.

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

From 1500bc Like the minoans Other people went there You can see is a bad copy The hicsos when they frew them out of egypt where did they go

[@patshelby9285]

John V. Luce (?), Author, antiquarian, classicist, of Trinity College, Dublin (?) wrote the definitive book examining the possible relation of the strongili/ kallista/thera/ santorini eruption and the Egyptian exodus. Lurid title, "the end of Atlantis", but the book is far more scholarly than would have been gleaned from the cover of the paperback I bought in 1978. It was published in 1968. Spyridon Marinatos began excavation of Akrotiri in 1967. J. V. Luce did a pretty definitive exploration of the idea the eruption provided the basis's of the Atlantis legend and the physical conditions described accompanying the Israelites Exodus from Egypt. I frequently wonder about any relationship between either relatives of Joseph or colonization from Aegean mariner traders being a part of the Hyksos culture of northern Egypt. The event could have contributed mightily to the "expulsion or conquest of the Hyksos" by Thutmose I. If northern Egypt and the surrounding sea coasts were severely impacted by earthquakes, tsunami's, falling ash and such they would have been vulnerable. The sea people may have descended from survivors who, having originally fled the areas, were driven in desperation to return to their lost lands by later drought and famine. An earlier rehoming of exiled Israelites? (edited for typo and correction and added material.)

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

Juda is the south Israel is the north

[@TheShootist]

judea

[@simban00]

Canaan never existed except for the Bible. Those were Hellenic lands with over 100 cities. The Greeks there were called Phoenicians because their progenitor was Phoenix brother of Cadmus.

[@deafprophet]

Bell Beaker / Germanians

[@ghostrider369]

Don't believe everything you see and hear unless you were there.

[@woodygilson3465]

So only what you personally see and hear is all that exists and all that ever will?

[@annlal6986]

@@woodygilson3465 Yes

[@OldHeathen1963]

​@@woodygilson3465Find out why they said what they said, with a open mind 😊

[@woodygilson3465]

@@OldHeathen1963 I think it's fairly self evident - either ignorance or solipsism or both.

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

So those in samaria had a different yave

[@TheIllestDubie]

hire someone with energy, syntax, cadence, and some type of storytelling ability. That was impossible to focus through. Great research, but I think you would gain a lot more interest in learning from appreciating these things. I think this is a very common problem with education.

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

They are not the same people

[@agermason7890]

Ancient Asia Minor! Modern day Israel 🇮🇱

[@bcvanrijswijk]

I understand that not everyone is a born storyteller like Irvin Finkel, but that continuous ah ah ah ah ah ah unlearning would be part of the training. Despite the interesting topic I am unable to listen to it.

[@bcvanrijswijk]

@@katiedotson704 Besides my own language (Dutch) I can give lectures in German, English, Italian, French, Latin and ancient Greek. In the first four languages I do this with some regularity. And yes, without bursting into uh, uh, uh after every three words. However, I must confess that in Irvin Finkel I have to acknowledge my superior, because unfortunately I am not able to bring in his humor in a natural way. May I suspect that you do not speak any foreign language at all, like most English speakers?

[@deborahdean8867]

It was extremely distracting and I cannot listen to it either. All those 'ah,ahs' are a speech habit, not her struggling with a foreign language because she obviously actually does have good mastery. She's very excessive with it.

[@bradleywillis1654]

@@bcvanrijswijk wow you absolutely OWNED her with that, and with such grace. Well done!

[@TomSkinner]

So kind of you to tell us about your problem.

[@visjesvanger]

eeeeuh eeeeeeuh eeeeeeuh 30 minutes getting crazy now,, eeeeu ah eu a e i o u

[@skellingtonmeteoryballoon]

🆒😎

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

The egypgians wrote the names of the tribes Danune and more

[@Awakegloriousbride]

Thanks four sharing this. Can you please share the source ?

[@kashoutlenox]

Problematic?

[@drazzle6267]

I like the title.....🙂

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

One thing is phoniceans another foinix

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

Alpha

[@esercye]

The connection between Egypt and Cannan is the fact that they were both Hamites how y'all miss that !

[@woodygilson3465]

Because that's working backwards from a belief in a person named Ham for which no historical evidence exists. She spoke in the beginning regarding the process: First, what do the facts on the ground say? Then, one might ask how those facts compare to the mythology. She made clear in the start that her presentation was to address the former, and not the latter.

[@judithokemwa2807]

​@@woodygilson3465If Ham didn't exist, then neither did Noah. And neither did Shem (Semites) nor Japheth. So where did Canaan come from? And why is the Bible all about giving his land to Abraham's descendants? And why is Canaan located archeologically where it should be according to the Bible?

[@woodygilson3465]

@@judithokemwa2807 Is Greek mythology true because it mentions Greece?

[@robertlunn3678]

Somebody mention the speakers inability to stop saying AH,AH AH. I’ve listen to her before and she is knowledgeable without doubt. Yet, once I read that comment, I had to stop. It’s as if she does not care. She is very sloppy in a few other ways too. I hope she can improve her ability to speak as she’s obviously very good. It’s not easy and if I had to give a talk in my “ second language”, it would be time wasted.

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

Yes some tribe had yave

[@gerardocamacho9994]

that's a good microphone

[@hgservices5572]

Long live Israel !

[@pomegranate6221]

Hmmmm

[@miltonjenkins1393]

When are they going to admit that our ancestors where way more advanced than we are

[@somniumisdreaming]

Who are they?The Wizards?

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

Is in europe

[@MrShanester117]

You posted like 20 poorly spelled, incoherent messages. It’s like you think you’re having a conversation with the video 😂 “Is in Europe” 😂

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

@@MrShanester117 but did you understand them

[@jacobsvensson8193]

@@veronicalogotheti5416 I haven't

[@SherryAzaniyah]

Thank lord for DNA im canaanite/shemite..have so much ancient dna

[@TheShootist]

all dna is ancient.

[@negusx8806]

@@TheShootist but all dna aint EUMELANATED tho

[@OldHeathen1963]

​@@negusx8806 Isn't that a side issue? That some ancient DNA has it and others do not?

[@negusx8806]

@@OldHeathen1963 Because there are certain peoples gallivanting as something they are not, I don't readily accept, as reality, a lot of the so called history they are presenting.. The SUN has been here from the beginning. Why would nature create a creature which can not thrive in its environment??? Something is amiss...

[@johndarrow1995]

If you want to know how the archaeological findings and opinions are decided just look at who’s financing the dig and you’ll find the reigning opinion will be in agreement with the funding party . In other words bought and paid for opinions... you can twist any finding to fit any narrative .

[@maralfniqle5092]

100% right! Archeology is extremely politicians too

[@ricardomoseley]

That Is about to change With what Is taking place In Ukraine. When that goes south- the cat will be out the bag so to speak. Blessed Be.

[@54guy1]

And that is the same with ALL "science".

[@hurdygurdyguy1]

That comment and these replies 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Haysoos Fookin' Chrysler!

[@patshelby9285]

@@54guy1 That is true of anything open to interpretation. Everyone does his/her own through the dark lens of mortal perception. No matter your base or premise. Science by definition attempts to screen out all non objective reads. But, in the hands of humans, you can guess the outcome. Most of us do the best we can.

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

The mycenians had left

[@patshelby9285]

Each of us has to juggle bits and pieces of the truth, like scattered fragments and shards of a broken pot, in search of its true shape.

[@vootamu1]

The Holy Bible is meant to be a spiritual book, although you can find a lot of history in it. Therefore, her comment about how the Holy Bible doesn't mention or "know about the Egyptian rule over Israel" is unnecessary, unless you aim to use your archaeological finds to disprove the credibility or validity of the Holy Bible.

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

What do you mean In israel they didnt eat pork

[@Ken_Scaletta]

What do you even mean by "Israel?" There was no state of Israel at this time.

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

@@Ken_Scaletta is ra el

[@donnacsuti4980]

@@veronicalogotheti5416 remember only part of the population Jewish ie Roman's etc ate pork. Pork was probably not always banned if you go back in history. In older times there was even human sacrifice.

[@donnacsuti4980]

Imagine if people tried to decide our country of origin based on our pots dishes furniture etc, you buy what is available and what you like. They'll probably decide we are all from China because our goods are from there

[@Ken_Scaletta]

@@veronicalogotheti5416 There was no state of Is Ra El either. We're talking about a time before the distinct culture called "Israelite" emerged from Canaanites. Israelites were originally just Canaanites. The pottery was the same, the language was the same, the pantheom was the same and we now know that their DNA was the same. Israelites were Canaanites. There was no Abraham coming from Ur, there were never any Israelites enslaved in Egypt and there was never any conquest of Canaan by Israelites. Israelites were just Canaanites. They emerged around the 12th Century BCE and they never went to Egypt.

[@NaderAbedrabbojanineh-nh1kr]

Gaddiyau etc ... Are Canaanite Names ... These Scriptures Are Canaanite ... Gad in Gaddiyau ... Is The Canaanite God Of Fortune .... One important Fact is That Hebrew Canaanite Dialect became a Written language after The 5th or 4th Century in Babilonia When The Hebrew letters were invented from The Canaanite Aramian Alphabet and became A Written Language ... That's Why The Judah Kings Seals Were Still Written Either in Canaanite , Akkadian , or Egyptian Hierglyphs ..... Good Move ... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

El rey de judea

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

They found ugarit 1700bc

[@MrAzharz72]

SAME LIKE THAILAND HISTORY....

[@lauraly2712]

How so?

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

The jews of yave didnt cross anything

[@greggrobinson5116]

You might have to be a bit of an expert to appreciate just how fraught and dangerous her topic is, but it is.

[@Jake-on5fp]

okay mr. expert

[@eskimocommotion4965]

It takes me back to Esau.

[@davidsabo405]

@@eskimocommotion4965 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@oddsavage]

Unnngh-Unnnngh- Egypt needed Canaanite agriculture-unnngh.

[@gruboniell4189]

Wasnt the whole place destroyed by a meteorite strike/air blast? No wonder the place was empty in 2000-1800 bc

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

Inri

[@NaderAbedrabbojanineh-nh1kr]

Poor Canaan and Rich Judah ... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣