Azeroth Is Not A Titan, That Is Clear.

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How many times have we crashed through raid portals because our Titanic Worldsoul was in danger? In at least two expansions, Legion and BFA, Azeroth was very much a Titan in waiting. But now? No. She’s so much more than that, and in understanding that story, we see why by the end of the of the Worldsoul Saga, Aman’thul will be our headline antagonist.

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[@mrxxbrian]

Champion! It turns out you, master of defeating every villain ever, is the last titan!

[@Steve-of1kb]

The true last titan is the friends we made along the way

[@Nevergates]

What is this, some kind of war within?

[@Hennerbo]

*is the last villain!

[@mrxxbrian]

@@Hennerbo the very last raid boss of WoW is... yourself!!

[@someguy3508]

I can't read "champion" without hearing Magni's voice

[@gilbertocharles6476]

We defeat Xal'Atath, but before she dies, Illidan appears and steal the kill, again, and opens a portal wich sargeras come and says: ITS SARGERING TIME

[@gimilkhad8169]

Truly the expansion of all time

[@Turkos245]

the most likely comment, i bet guldan is back somehow too

[@sirdook2761]

😆

[@jamesthomson6477]

Zug Zug

[@MultiFreakinbeast]

Nah Illidan pops out steals the kill and says "Somehow... Sargeras returned." Then everyone gasps in unison.

[@voltirin511]

I'm gonna die of old age before i get a solid answer in this game.

[@Silverdarkaf]

Is Azeroth a galactic Eevee?

[@Tantakugames]

yes

[@BriGuy77711]

That’s a great way to put it.

[@fishraposo7192]

And aman'thul is our space daddy

[@BriGuy77711]

@@fishraposo7192 He’s more like an evolution stone.

[@fishraposo7192]

@@BriGuy77711 hence why he is our space dad. Just like megamind lol

[@RobertDuhon-o2t]

It could be that world souls are simply blank slates. They absorb whatever magic is available and become a reflection of it. What makes Azeroth unique is that so many different cosmic aspects have had an influence on it. A combination of Death/Disorder domination created Argus, while Order dominated world souls created the Titans. Death/Disorder have mostly undermined Orders efforts to stay in control over Azeroth, and the players have mostly undermined Death and Disorder when it rears its head, while Life has been the most consistent cosmic element preset.

[@rcslyman8929]

Don't forget that Azeroth was also influenced by the Elemental Planes and the Void, with Order sandwiched between them. Titans just kinda put things in motion, while the primal and void forces duked it out, then came back and locked up the winners, who then cast Curse of Flesh while they were getting locked up inside Azeroth. Curse of Flesh, of course, turning all the Titan world shapers into the flesh and blood races we know of today. Except, of course, the dragons who were made flesh and blood by the Titans. Because reasons.

[@lonelystarslibrary9326]

The real last titan is the friend we made along the way

[@michaelchalkerify]

What are you doing on Azeroth get back to Gielinor!

[@Freyr-Freyr]

It was about coming together as a family

[@Fillster]

The singular friend

[@SenileAlbatross]

Is the titan in the room with us?

[@CompoundProjects]

The last titan is Sargeras. They release sargeras in order to save the universe from the void.

[@someguy3508]

And then the void says "A cosmos divided will not survive what is to come"

[@YaBoySquints]

Oooh that would be sick!

[@williamspencer8457]

said this since the trailer last titan is 100% sargeras

[@Shiirow]

@@someguy3508 the void was just trying to corrupt us to save us from a yet unnamed bigger bad.

[@darkmethods9149]

Yeah I agree it is Sargeras. Aman'thul is dead (killed by Sargeras) so if he is the last titan then the other titans would also need to be considered. Sargeras is the last living titan.

[@DanFree7]

I will never forget what Blizz told us before Shadowlands: "The Jailer is like a Titan plus plus". I was so hyped! And oooooooohhh yeah...we were all surprised!

[@xolboh6463]

That was the original jailer. With the long hair and spikes. He was titan plus plus because he invisioned original war craft motifs. Woke Jailer just finished his race change and gender change

[@NoConsequenc3]

@@xolboh6463 you have brain worms, seek professional help

[@luke4260]

They also said that the Jailer wasn't the final boss of the expansion.

[@TaliesinMyrddin]

My favoured theory is that Azeroth is a creation deity and the various forces are fighting over her power because they think they know how to prevent the universe falling apart, and we're just in the period where the titans are the ones in charge.

[@bizarrum]

I HATE the retcons, but I hate this "all you know about the titans was a titan lie" in special, because they have sold book with this story (the "warcraft:chronicles" books). I (a lore loving person) now have a collection of books that are, in the lore as is now, actual titan propaganda. Good job one more time, Blizzard.

[@francescoporcari8597]

And, on top of that, how can we trust the Chronicles vol.4 after what steve danuser said at 2019 blizzcon?

[@sashmiel6566]

It is lazy writing, but I get it. IT happens when you lose Main story writers, and you get the modern writers that came up with things like Captain Marvel

[@shadowgamer4306]

The Chronicle books were considered history and as you know history is often written from a specific point of view.

[@bizarrum]

@@shadowgamer4306 And that's the argument they use to justify it on the storyline. But on the real world, they sold the books as the true story of the world, and I bought them on that premise. If they can say "hey, it was just titan propaganda" then they just as well say that all the history of azeroth is fake and created by the nathrezim or some other evil guys, and retcon everything.

[@diablo.the.cheater]

I actually like this, if you gonna do retcons, using the propaganda excuse is a decent way.

[@Hagersen]

Blizzard is taking alot of the void stuff from Lovecraft and in the lovecraftian universe the strongest old one is called Azatoth. Now with all the voices and whispers everyone is hearing there could be a possibility that Azeroth might in some form be connected to the void

[@dracotoy]

Itd be ballsy to reset the universe by having azeroth wake up, but id love it

[@Murzac]

It was quite explicitly stated in a cinematic during the harbinger questline that the kind of whispers that Azeroth is giving out are exactly the same kinds that the home world of the Ethereals was giving out before it was fully destroyed and corrupted by the void lords... so yeah.

[@qlasalle]

​@xfKYZacTriEdging us for years just to be like, "Oh poop! We gotta stop her from waking up!"

[@Mercer0516]

I certainly am willing to be schooled, but I could have sworn, at least in earlier lore, the Tauren's Earthmother was Therazane. She was a tangible force at the beginning of the world, and it at least makes sense to me, given that she's technically the "good" elemental lord.

[@KosmicKane]

Been saying she wasn’t a titan for a while now. Metzen pretty much told us we didn’t know what she really was at Blizzcon. He said in the Final Titan we will discover the true nature of Azeroth implying that the belief she is a Titan is wrong. I don’t think ALL the Titans are bad mainly just Aman’thul, I think Eonar will help us go against him and side with Azeroth cause remember how she wanted life to flourish and grow and Aman’thul said “screw that it will mess up our plans” and ripped the tree out lol

[@The86Ripper]

For the people who havent considered this: Its kinda clear to me that ''The Last Titan'' will have but a single most important purpose as an expansion and that is to set up the *future* of world of warcraft. Now there wouldnt be any future if azeroth really was the last titan now would there?

[@tobbun]

The expansion ends with Aman'Thul saying "... and i will NOT be The Last Titan" as Azeroth uses her magic to help us flee with her

[@KirkpatrickSounds]

What if the Titans originally stole their powers from Azeroth and subsequently imprisoned her? 🤔

[@KC-py5vq]

They're azeroths children as are all the cosmic forces

[@KirkpatrickSounds]

@@KC-py5vq I think Xal'atath herself has a deeper relationship with Azeroth than we know

[@KC-py5vq]

Thatd be cool​@@KirkpatrickSounds

[@yokaidokena3659]

Azeroth and Xal'Atath are lesbian lovers confirmed and shipped. Tumblr screams in orgasm.​@@KirkpatrickSounds

[@yokaidokena3659]

@@MegaPanCakes24-wm9ms It was a joke mate, but savvy this: If they can have emotions and know love, they can be gay. Nothing wrong with that as long as it's written in well and isn't an obviously forced ass pull for "muh virtue points" as is sadly too often the case these days. INB4 "sO TeLl uS WhAt wElL WrItTeN lOoKs LiKe!" It looks like dragon flights introduced characters in the waking shores quest lines. They were written as gay from the jump and had obvious history with their SO's. Granted, I think they went a little overboard with the *amount* they inserted (see what I did there?) but they were well written. What ISN'T natural writing and is obviously forced ideological slants is when they gender or race swap/bend and change a characters sexuality on the fly. That shite pisses me the fuck off.

[@jhodathekid]

"Friends don't tell friends about Shadowlands lore." Lmao

[@bryaneberly4407]

@@avesatanae it was way more interesting. especially zerith mortis. now we just have a disappointing emerald dream.

[@lilywong9672]

@@avesatanae The lore is fine, the way the story is told and some of the characters and of course, the gameplay, were terrible.

[@F14thunderhawk]

the lore about Shadowlands is canon. the characters and the events are not.

[@joshcal7370]

I really thought this video was going to talk about how we don't actually know this is the last Titan, or the last world soul. It's very clearly stated that the Titans haven't explored the entirety of the mortal plane. That there's a lot more out there they've never been to, and the void sent Old Gods out across that area too looking for world souls. This may be the last world soul the titans discovered, but we don't know for sure it's the absolute last. As far as the power of it, maybe the issue is that the magic is that 7th type. Which is why different forces try to taint it toward their side. Titan's would need to fill it with order magic if it already was order magic. The Jailer may have used it because it is a primal, fundamental force of power, as are other world souls, but this is one he had a connection to. One thing that's really always bothered me about the Titans though, are that they're born in the mortal plane, but everything else is created in their realm and sent here. Maybe even that part is a lie as well. Maybe the Titans were sent out of the realm of Order in the same way as the old gods were. They just tell us they're born here to justify their right to control everything.

[@azhder]

Can't turn the freakin frogs gay if you go back in time and wipe them out. Remix FTW

[@Javier-il1xi]

Alex Jones going back in time Broxigar style

[@AnubisofScorpio]

I don't think it's limited to world souls or dragons. I think the titans found the Djaradinn and reforged them to the iron Vrykul. I think the bull statue in Uldum means they tampered with the tauren too. Elves are notoriously mouldable, probably the troll regenerative properties, but I think it's a feature of Azerothian life, to change. Maybe the curse of flesh was an infusion of void to counter Titan tampering.

[@diablo.the.cheater]

curse of flesh? more like, blessing of flesh am I right?

[@shadydealz]

trolls descend from elves

[@Brodiesix]

Sounds to me like the great creator went to sleep like a pheonix waiting to be reborn and the kids decided to play and keep the parent asleep.... sounds too familiar to another storyline I can't quite put my finger on.

[@thegamemattster]

What like hundreds of Mythos across D&D and other media including old mythology of Earths civilizations? The story resonates well in World Soul because it’s got relatable pieces. Looking forward to the finale.

[@oryxslayer0296]

14:12 ahhhh hell nah the Jailer was pumping Azeroth 😭😭😭

[@CathrineMacNiel]

The Jailor was grooming Azeroth.

[@WarriorTRZ]

Azeroth seems analogous with Azathoth the "Sleeping God" of Lovecraft, which while it sleeps Existance is happening, but once it wakes.. all things end. The Dream cannot exist if the Dreamer wakes... The Titans and all the other forces seem to be setting up to make the dream what they want because that way they can exist for longer.. and keep the Dreamer asleep. Azeroth opening her eye and looking at Sargeras causing him to go nuts? He saw the Truth. He saw what lies beyond the Dream...

[@inattentivegamer]

Best comment for me. You're probably right. Make more sense than anything else.

[@Andrew-po8nt]

All I know is Titans = bad, and the Last Titan = Sargeras. The bigger mystery for me is Elune.

[@francescoporcari8597]

You have a shallow comprehension of the lore. Titan=bad is an oversimplification

[@LiliumCruorem]

⁠@@francescoporcari8597lol his comprehension of the lore is kind of accurate actually. Blizzard lost control of their lore and with all the retcons and trying to make every cosmic force some philosophical study on duality is killing the lore. I think it is fine to do that to some extent. But it feels like every cosmic faction is just the same now. It isn’t as compelling as having a few of them at least be more black and white in terms of “good and bad”. I hope this saga makes things make sense cause after the last few expacks I have completely lost hope in WoW’s story. It feels like Avengers Infinity War now. I hope they wrap it up nicely. But who knows? Blizzard doesn’t have much respect for their own Lore. They may just have more lore breaking retcons they are waiting to pull out.

[@francescoporcari8597]

@@LiliumCruorem alas, I do agree that Blizz has screwed up the lore, but to say Titan=bad is an oversimplification. I'd say that they are conveying the mesage that all forces are morally grey, and to say Sargeras is the last titan is just making Hypothesis. We haven't seen any bad action by the Titans (mind you, Odyn is not a Titan, and has free will, so his the only responsible for his actions) so far. Algalon is their last resource.

[@SpacyDude]

I wonder what happens to everyone on Azeroth when Azeroth wakes up?

[@zacharybaxter7692]

Sargeras redemption arc, because that's always what happens.

[@askinnakklevaar98]

Except for arthas:(

[@tony9099]

Blizzard love to make redemption arcs cuz they secretly wish they redeem themselves but they cant

[@Junebug89]

Yeah, like Arthas! Deathwing! And Garrosh! Lei Shen! Gul'dan! Archimonde! Kil'jaeden! Azshara! N'zoth! The Jailer! Fyrakk! All those headline baddies who got redeemed!

[@tylermcnally8232]

​​@@Junebug89yea except we are the bad guys... But ok. We are the only ones decimating the bear population just to skin their assholes and on top of that we are helping the titans which are obviously the enemy of all.

[@zacharybaxter7692]

@@Junebug89 They just haven’t gotten around to it yet

[@luke4260]

If world souls aren't titans, why did Argus wake up as a titan? He wanted tempered by the pantheon, he was tortured by fel and (UR DURR DENUSER BS INCOMING) death magic, but still woke up as a titan. I definitely hate the path that WoW story took, hate it.

[@francescoporcari8597]

That's the comment I've been looking for. As far ad we know, and we don't have any reason to believe it was influenced by the Titans. The only titan who touche that world soul is Sargeras, quite far from being a Order creature.

[@aaronyayger]

Argus didn't look like any titan, though. He was humanoid, sure, but he had no resemblance to the titans. He didn't have gold or silver skin and was neither of the titan varieties of titans. He also just straight up has memories from before being inside the planet, which makes no sense if he's an unborn titan.

[@purpledragonofhonor2193]

@@aaronyaygerok, whats it matter what he looks like if hes just straight up a titan still?

[@aaronyayger]

@@purpledragonofhonor2193 Bro, we're TOLD he's a titan by the titans lmao. And they've been lying this entire time. Most of the shit we know is just titan propaganda. Argus has memories from BEFORE being inside a planet. That completely destroys what we know about how titans are made from what they themselves told us. Argus wasn't a titan and neither was Azeroth. They are like the two original true gods of WoW.

[@Maurell]

It’s Sargeras. He was right all along.

[@InfestationPony]

It's definitely Sargeras. He's still wrong tho.

[@mastersprite2783]

I think you are on to something. I think Sargeras will break out of his prison and kill all the other titans, maybe even absorb their power, and then come after Azeroth. He will be the last titan and Azeroth will awaken as something else to face him. Basically, if we see a bloody and broken Illidan show up any time soon, we'll know what's going down.

[@Razeki27]

Plot twist. Illidan becomes the last titan 😅

[@JR-kg8ee]

@@Razeki27 There is enough in the lore Blizzard could swing the story that way. I would not be surprised if they have more in store for Illidan.

[@spandansahs8816]

Let’s just let expansions bring out the story

[@GenjiShimada.]

Man that blue screen noise scared crap out of me at 2am in morn lights off I thought my PC crapped itself lol

[@andreasviken2949]

I wonder what Blizzard will do after the Worldsoul saga. How many times can you save Azeroth? Do they go back to the multiverse/shadowlands? Haven't we already saved the very fabric of reality ? The only thing we haven't saved from destruction is one of the fundamental laws of physics that binds the multiverse together. I guess the next expansion will be World of Warcraft: The Strong Nuclear Force (although I'm pretty sure the Void incorporates some form of the fundamentals of physics).

[@greenelf444]

Elune is the last titan aka the last true god of wow, and the titan’s secret is that the titans we know now are just stronger titan keepers going around lying about being titans themselves, and this will go on to say that the shadowland covenants also do the same thing as the fake titans

[@Shiirow]

The titans are just the goa'uld who found real titan machines and went around pretending to be titans.

[@TigernachVT]

Good video. Pyro and his community pieced together a glorious theory about cosmic powers and language. TBH it makes so much sense it's most likely accurate. It explains the power division, why the Dreadlords act the way they do, why certain people can hear azeroth.

[@francescoporcari8597]

It's just pyro's wildest dream, it is not grounded, it's based on mere speculation, and has been proven wrong. There's no such thing as rune/order magic.

[@Cashinn_Outt1754]

Never thought it was, I assumed it was us unleashing Sargeras to help us

[@zimti7390]

I expect either Sargeras or perhaps Eonar will be the last Titan left, and that Azeroth will be something different, perhaps some kind of amalgam of all cosmic forces since every force has been influencing it They have been establishing that the Titans are not strictly good, especially Amanthul, so I doubt Amanthul will be the last Titan

[@roninhare9615]

For awhile now I have thought Azeorth to be more akin to a Star soul, then a world soul. The construct known as the planet is actually a Dyson sphere, you shown an image representing the various Mordis’s in this video. We see proof of these structures on Azeroth, they’re the titans structures, slammed across its surface and inside of it. Heck look at the wow logo on the last titan, it’s brimming light that is shining outward as rings surround it.

[@CelticShaman.]

Wait, mortals are not heavily aspected towards one of the cosmic forces and we go to the shadowlands apparently. Unless us simply being alive puts us in the 'life' camp and life and death both go to the shadowlands. Does that mean that arcane and fel both go to the twisting nether? Shadowlands truly was the worst expansion because it's still causing problems years later.

[@francescoporcari8597]

Exactly

[@francescoporcari8597]

Talking of Argus, the WorldSoul developed into a (twisted) titan, yet we don't have any evidence of the (Order) Pantheon interference...

[@Factual_Truth]

Imagine trusting WoW’s lore team after what they have done in Shadowlands. (Varian and countless others who never showed up)

[@wisetell1]

didn't varian and the others on the broken shore that died have their souls consumed or destroyed or something like that by guldan there so they couldn't show up in SL?

[@BasketChase98]

I think the biggest hint we have so far is a book in the emerald dream called “on the nature of the dream” that draws attention to the fact that the emerald dream and the shadowlands are “sisters,” that life and death is a cycle, and importantly, the titans did not understand this connection between life and death when they “ordered” the emerald dream. There is something inherent about Azeroth that the titans do not understand, and as we have seen from the Uldaman lore books, the keepers have actively suppressed information regarding the Black Empire, or anything regarding Azeroth pre-ordering.

[@Lemiwinks55]

Agreed with others in that this is just a poor retcon. Shouldn't need a flow chart to back track on why Azeroth isn't the last titan anymore.

[@jorgenbuilder9565]

Name a better example of STAMINA than Bellular selling the story of WoW for as long he has. Can’t be easy. The peak phase of Warcraft storyline was WC III.

[@foolizanagi4487]

I kinda hope we lose in the last titan. What a twist of a way to force the world to change and we spend time taking everything back.

[@bigdeadanimals]

Really liked the cover for video and not clickbate title. Good video too!

[@zimti7390]

KZbin comment section is completely cooked

[@a1pha_star]

All these bots. 😅

[@vanyel_etc8695]

cooking*

[@Aussielight]

Bro I was legit thinking that when I was scrolling through them 😂😂😂

[@howardhavardramberg333]

So are all World Souls... just World Souls? And did the Titans warp our understanding of them as inherently Titanic in origin? If so, have World Souls merely been claimed by the Titans and changed into their kind while their nature is something different entirely? Raw potentialities? If that is the case, then what the heck even are the Titans and where did they come from? Realm of Order?

[@firefang7]

"If you stare long into the abyss....... The abyss stares back into to you."

[@jamesmer6216]

Am I the only one that wants blizzard to finally solve the biggest problem of all this titan/old god/azaroth being. Whenever this thing finally hatches/Wakes up we are dead. We need an exodus plan and someplace to go, we can't fight all this time to save this thing only to eventually turn it into adimantium/stone like the 'the eternals'.

[@SorestScorch]

What do you think are the odds that our world soul is getting more powerful but also balance... likelyhood is she has been pumped full of all kinds of magic (holy (light) at the sunwell/ the Naaru, disorder (fel) at the tomb of sargeras, shadow (void) from the old gods, order (arcane) from the titans, life (nature) from eonar, death (necromantic) from the jailer) and because so much has been pumped in she has become powerful enough to speak and warn us all.

[@notyourdaughter666]

calling it now before i watch the video- k’aresh is the last titan and he’s a fully corrupted void titan.

[@KC-py5vq]

Yes, because azeorth isn't a titan to begin with, she's obviously something more and she'll ultimately be the one to either cleanse this void titan or cast them down

[@Dadbot]

Nah. It’s aman thul and all the other titans turn on him

[@nickelback3360]

What aboot Sargeras?

[@spacequack5470]

​@@DadbotBlatantly false

[@markuslc1888]

the only thing i still wanna know from SL are the jailors last words:“A cosmos divided will not survive what is to come”. and the cut content from ardenweald and the drust

[@alexfdezpal]

Every lore video the inevitable Shadowlands shenanigans make an appearance and it takes me out. We have some goofy lore but the Shadowlands stuff is too much.

[@Cereal.Fidgeter]

Thank you for elaborating the lore!

[@GtcoUC]

Played vanilla, BC, Wrath, and mists. I have no idea what’s going on anymore. Classic + sounds soo appealing after listening to this

[@rockstar6goalkeeper]

Aman'Thul being a main antagonist would be abhorrent. Plot twist for the sake of plot twist

[@JustDoIt12131]

I wouldn't say that would be a plot twist for the sake of plot twist. The lesson of never just accepting an authority without really knowing what is happening behind is an important one. And extremely important one.

[@TheBigCarp321]

As soon as you mentioned Wrathion and eating the heart, I was like oh yeah that happened. It bothers me that they sit on stories for years and then try to release something and call it epic :( I am still very excited, but it would nice to not have to research what happened so long ago.

[@IPlayVideoGamesAndNothingElse]

love how the expansion is essentially the same story as horizon forbidden west. restore all the parts (aspects) of the zero-dawn system to save gaia (azeroth world soul). we gonna see captain planet in the next one?

[@Sorrior]

Ohhh so we gonna take polution down to zero then? Cause if so i've got a nuclear powered goblin smasher at the ready..For azeroths evironment of course.

[@utemakoto]

Surprising that Bel hasn't done an updated old god whispers, a couple of N'Zoth and Ilganoth lines seem to have relevance...

[@NaomieMiles]

I don't know where to put this thought so I came back to this video in hopes someone is entertained by it. We just got seeming confirmation through some quests that Azeroth could be a titan. The little info thing after turning in titan discs explains the titans plan for azeroth and making her the most powerful titan. BUT BUT BUT I wonder if the radiant song is not actually about the black empire/void but instead is azeroths way of warning us against the titans. There is a lot of moments where the titans motives seem shaky and it would be a GREAT turn in the story over this trilogy of expansions.

[@mverstaen]

the dragon aspects are azeroth's version of titans. the titans like the dragons are an expression or even emanation of a worldsoul as azeroth isn't the only world soul in existence. And just like void, light, death, the titans as the faction of order are attempting to leash azeroth's world soul because "there is an order to things".

[@katalinks]

Plot twist:Sargeras’s motives were like Illidan’s.He is now imprisoned like Illidan was.I can’t imagine if we help Sargeras bring down Aman’thul.So much speculation,I can’t keep up with it😅

[@sleepypanda3694]

There would be some nice symmetry in Illidan being both Sargeras's jailer and the one who frees him, just like Maiev was Illidan's jailer and had to free him too.

[@Hagersen]

Cant wait when illidan and sargeras make there comeback with the bromance of traitors for there kin

[@4l.vi.]

It's not a plot twist at this point. It's the most ridiculously cliche, overused thing that creatively defunct Blizzard writers resort to in order to "S U B V E R T E X P E C T A T I O N S." They did it continuously and half-assedly in EVERY. SINGLE. expansion since WoD. Now, I just roll my eyes whenever I see it - if you're going to create a villain, goddamn it, act like it!

[@Sunny-zf1cm]

From my impressions and understandings... Titans are a potential product of world souls... and from the very start, it's been very clear in the lore that the void can also optionally corrupt the soul so it's like a void lord or something. The titans could potentially not want her born because of how powerful she could be, and if she disagrees with the titans ways... she trumps them.

[@gregc8831]

I haven't heard this yet but it just clicked for me now, the war within is the war withing azeroths soul!

[@catrinastars]

No, there’s one more thing from the Shadowlands that’s important, what was done to Argus, can also be done on a smaller scale. Mortals can be infused like that as well.

[@elunaxalt]

Any being can, it seems. The Dreadlords are a prime example of this.

[@catrinastars]

@@elunaxalt 😏

[@markuswagner8536]

Khadgar opens up that he decides to be a Skywalker

[@Emcron]

my guess is that World Souls are all ontologically neutral, but which cosmic force they're predominantly exposed to determines what kind of celestial being they mature into.

[@luke4260]

Good old times when tirans were mysterious beings that molded the world and created races, when Azeroth was in fact a sleeping titan like Argus.

[@francescoporcari8597]

Argus was never ordered and still he has developed into a Titan...

[@luke4260]

@@francescoporcari8597 exactly, then why do we have this new bs about world souls not being titans?

[@francescoporcari8597]

@@luke4260 because of Danuser wanted to left his footprint, by spoiling established lore.

[@MrWhitehomeboi]

If you look up “ret-con” in the dictionary there’s a picture of the blizzard writing team.

[@midori99]

The World Soul is Madara and he or she is using Infinite Tsukuyomi. Where all Dreaming. Wake up Heros

[@kayrius]

death wants azeroth, void wants azeroth, order wants azeroth, chaos wants azeroth, what if the world souls turn into titans when infused with order, become gods of shadowlands if infused with death, become void lords if infused with void and so on and so forth?

[@Rougesteelproject]

We saw the prototype robots for the death pantheon. We also saw the process to make an Arbiter using a soul (it was almost Argus's soul, but we used Pelagos's instead.)

[@thegreattaiyou]

This is the obvious answer. Titans want azeroth so they stole it from the old gods and ordered the world. Then they installed the forge or origination and algalon to make sure if anything tries to steal it back, it gets wiped out and reset back to Order. Then they spread what is essentially pro-titan propaganda to make sure lifeforms on Azeroth fight for the Titans, but specifically against any other forces that might try to convert Azeroth's world soul for themselves.

[@JefferyBlue]

Did...did you just LME me in the thumbnail? Art is gonna hear about this one!

[@Technogeist1987]

Azeroth is starting to feel like the centre of the multiverse in the same way that Earth does in Marvel and DC.

[@edwardweaver6869]

So what if Titans are simply what the Pantheon refers to as a matured world soul. One that is finally born, and because our perspective thus far has been through the eyes of the Pantheon maybe we just know them as Titans because that’s what we know. My personal theory revolves more around the name, the LAST Titan. I’m gonna go full on philologist here and state that there is a definite difference between Final and Last. Final is a definitive end point there is finality in final, if Azeroth were to be the FINAL Titan to be born there would never be another. The LAST implies that it’s a sequential ending, meaning it can be a door an ending and a beginning. My personal theory is the awakening of Azeroth and the war subsequently leading up to her awakening will shatter our understanding of Order and the Titans and expose to us a new paradigm of understanding; one S the new cosmological lore books suggest; breaks free of our rather rudimentary and archaic understanding of extraterrestrial and inter-dimensional beings and contextualizes them in a manner than is more complete.

[@slytherben]

Danuser has you really mixed up. Metzen is in charge now. Azeroth is absolutely a Titan

[@benjones8594]

Naa fam, Azeroth is essentially a stem-cell, waiting to be programmed in whatever way there is. We'll bin off the Titans by the end of the WSS and probably have to contend with the Void as the final boss of WoW.

[@justaflyinduck3425]

You gotta make more lore videos you guys are great

[@ZlatkoMar]

Plot twist... Azeroth is the Old God mother.

[@TheVoiTube]

Yes plot twist Garrosh return as Titanic to rule again

[@markuslc1888]

true titan horde inc.!

[@darkmethods9149]

Sorry Bellular but it can't be Aman'thul as he is dead (he and the others were killed by Sargeras). So you would need to consider the other dead titans as well if you went that direction. Sargeras is the last known living titan, so he is probably "the last titan".

[@francescoporcari8597]

Aman'thul is alive, as per wowpedia

[@darkmethods9149]

@@francescoporcari8597 Wowpedia says he was destroyed by Sargeras with the others but a spell by Norgannon kept them from being totally destroyed and now they are just disembodied spirits. He did posses Ra for a time and then Ra extracted his soul fragment and stored it in pandaria. Sargeras got ahold of the soul fragment and the other Titan spirits and tried breaking them like he did Aggramar. He failed, Argus was defeated and Sargeras was imprisoned at the Seat of the Pantheon. The last we saw of the titans they were all still in astral ghost form, so still dead for whatever that means in wow and since nothing in lore currently has been stated saying Aman'thul has been resurrected I stand by my statement that he cannot be the last titan currently as the others are just as "alive" as he is. The only known "alive" titan is Sargeras. Time will tell though I guess.

[@vincentproud6589]

Video starts at 2:23

[@taylorlukes4810]

I've been thinking a lot on this too, speculating on what our World Soul is and has actually brought about and how ironically those avenues are the ones being manipulated to gain access to the World Soul. Were all very familiar by now with the Emerald Dream, The World Tree's, and The Elemental Planes (Firelands) ect. The Legion wanted to burn our trees, Sylvanas burned our trees in service of Jailer boi, The Old Gods have tried to corrupt the Dream, and the elemental planes, even corrupted the Earth Warden. Azeroth also has created life in many various forms and we know how the varying factions of the universe have tried to manipulate them. We havent seen Light or Life. Elune exists and we know this but shes also a sister to a denizen of death the Winter Queen who presumably serves Our World Soul while Elune probably serves a higher power in the Light which could be Azeroth but I dont think the signs point to that. Eonar represents life but we know shes a Titan and serves Order, but i find it far more plausible shes another Soul perhaps infused with creation energy in order to understand how to manipulate it better. I feel like Azeroth is the World Soul of Life if you refer back to the Warcraft Chronicles Map which is why every faction in the cosmos wants it, because if you control creation you can create it how you want it. Fel wants Chaos, Titans Want Order, Void wants Shadow, Death wants Death, Light wants Illidan to not be his Scars and Life wants to live hence our part in the whole thing. Just like the Titans, Death, The Light and The Void is working behind the scenes I feel so has our planet. Im curious to see how it all pans out

[@francescoporcari8597]

@@taylorlukes4810 Eonar is the titan of life.

[@Kelizar666]

"Friends don't tell friends about shadowlands lore." Legit made me choke on my coffee. Well played.

[@TheDukeofGinge]

Friends don't tell Friends about Shadowlands lore, Friends don't tell friends about shadowlands.

[@jeffdowns3448]

I really have a feeling Sarg is the "last titan". He will have some sort of comeback, with Illidan by his side.

[@Hancalimon]

We defeated the champions of Azeroth (the incarnates), after that Azeroth empowered new champions (The aspects)

[@pyb8216]

azeroth being one out of many theater of the fight between order (titans) and void (old god), but one in wich an intelligent species emerges really appeal to Starcraft lore in wich protoss wants to destroy the earth because of the zerg hazard (same with Agalon)... and I guess way older stories than blizz' one

[@Silly_Illidan]

Azeroth if not a Titan.. It's a people - odyn

[@D-3-X86]

Sargeras feels like an unfinished part of the story. One that might resurface in a redemption arch imagine finding out he was partially right and that we have to team up with him as the last titan to complete the story whatever that may be 😳 TEAM SARGERAS.

[@florentlenoir3819]

How do they says ? "History is written by the victors" . Seem pretty much the case of the titan. For now.

[@Jaricko]

I have been saying for years. Azeroth sounds like Azathoth. Azathoth is a eldritch being that produces smaller eldritch beings... like cthulhu (although Cthulhu is more distantly related to Azathoth) To that end its not unreasonable to assume maybe the Titan story of Azeroth is false and in reality... the old gods came from Azeroth to begin with. Additional but not terribly concrete info that i also would reference. Saronite is actually similar to Azerite in some ways. Both are essentially the blood of a powerful being that has crystallized and become this powerful mineral.

[@braven10k]

"The Last Titan" referring to a villain Aman'Thul returning to attempt to forcefully apply order to Azeroth, as opposed to applying to Azeroth itself like we think, is an amazing idea

[@ds698]

12:03 are they gonna use the annunaki creation myth here? Like Azeroth is earth but earth is actually apart of an older planet called Tiamat and Tiamat or maybe Azeroth is Tiamat and Tiamat was or Azeroth was never destroyed but Tiamat has a whole host or is in fact a representation of primordial power. EVEN has monstrous dragon type guardians that fight against TITAN like gods Marduk and more and is slain by Marduk in a cosmic battle using the winds or basically satellite moons because all these gods titans and such are celestial planets and this is a cosmos story. But maybe wow is going with a Tiamat story. That’s really cool.

[@Empire441]

At this point I actually relate to the villains more, hell I wish I could be a villain instead of the hero. Peak "fuck it" energy.

[@stahliboi6249]

Maybe sargaras is the last titan. Last time we saw him, illidin was about to fight him. Can we reeeeally assume illidin can kill a titan, even a restrained one?

[@Starkiller2725]

I feel really attached to Azeroth at this point and can't wait to see her.

[@benjo_5]

Maybe the Titans weren't inherently of Order.... Maybe world souls start neutral but Aman'Thul and Co were pumped with Order/Arcane juju

[@dirtysilver2841]

This counters your newest video. So which is it? Is it's blizzards confusion or our confusion?

[@hanss.5291]

"Friends don't tell friends about Shadowlands lore." LOL! This should be a catchphrase.

[@Charlee4459]

I believe Aman'thul will be the big bad of next expansion. In that cinematic, you can't help but feel like despite our help, he looks upon us with contempt. ultimately I think they're going to end up using Azeroth as a medium to open wow into a wow2 of some type.

[@JonathanCull]

My theory is that Sargeras will be the last Titan. I suspect the other Titans will be lured into a trap and killed and we'll get a redemption for Sargeras.

[@housefullofransackery3505]

Weird it's almost like some other creators have been saying this for years

[@Nurriek]

God I wish they still knew how to write a compelling story. There's no consistency in any of this crap. This isn't cool. They took Garrosh and made him an honourless bitch. They took Sylvanas and made her a snide and stupid version of Arthas. They took Illidan and made him a good guy instead of an antihero? The legion isn't bad. The Titans aren't good. The dragons aren't actually strictly just dragons. Thrall isn't a capable leader, he's a whiney pussy. Magni is a rock, and now he's depressed. It all sucks. Everything I loved about this setting has been subverted, and every expansion I hope it improves, and it doesn't. Everything since Wrath has just been one big derpdidoo and I'm tired of it. It's not interesting.