Azeroth Reborn: Human Campaign - Part 1 - Warcraft 3 in the Starcraft 2 Client!

[@SynergySC2]

Hey, everyone! Thank you for watching and for the encouraging comments. It makes me really happy to finally be able to share this campaign with you all. Here's a few notes on stuff that happened on the video: * Hard (highest difficulty in Azeroth Reborn) is partially inspired by the recent update to Reforged, but I mostly came up with the balancing myself. * You can see the ghosts of dead villagers at nighttime in the graveyard; they're a bit hard to see if you're not paying attention. * That time when Grant's camera was panned was supposed to show you the Slave Master running down villagers, but during nighttime your sight range is reduced; I'll fix that before release. * Though I'm leading this project, there are six other mapmakers also involved in making AR, which is crazy; I never thought I'd work on a project this big.

[@Supergoon1989]

How do we play it, please? Is it in the custom campaigns on SC2? Or so we need to download it somewhere? Thanks so much, dude!!

[@SynergySC2]

@@Supergoon1989 So far only the Prologue is publicly out. You can find the launcher in the Campaigns tab under Custom (search for "Azeroth Reborn"). The human campaign will be released on Saturday 24th December.

[@Luke90500]

Amazing stuff! You and your team should be proud! Thank you for the Fantastic work!

[@Supergoon1989]

@@SynergySC2 Awesome! Thankyou!!!

[@SynergySC2]

@@Luke90500 Thank you, much appreciated!

[@Nexsusthepro]

Synergy, putting more effort into a remake than an entire company

[@GiantGrantGamesArchives]

We don't deserve Synergy

[@Ht9ehtoom]

Blizzard redesigned every model and every texture and several missions. I'm not a fan of blizzard to be honest, but it's dishonest to say they didnt put any effort in.

[@Broockle]

@@Ht9ehtoom they outsourced it to a studio that couldn't handle it. They didn't do enough quality control. How on earth do you end up making the final product worse? Reborn is like an actual desiderable game to play unlike Reforged. I like your point that sOmEoNe made an effort, but it was definitely not Blizzard. I think even one or more of the original WC3 devs offered to assist but got rejected. It was all a toss up.

[@Ht9ehtoom]

@@Broockle i didn't say better effort, i said more. Reforged sucks I know.

[@andrzejnadgirl2029]

@@Broockle it's not even outsourced studio that didn't handled the issues. That studio which was doing a remake learned their deadline from official Blizzcon announcement so no wonder Reforged was released at alpha stage of the project, it wasn't even a proper beta with stability issues at release and simply missing textures for abilities.

[@toddclawson3619]

"In hindsight, Prince Arthas randomly murdering a unusually-large child named Grant for no discernable reason should have been a big red flag to all of us. Not sure why we all just chose to ignore that. Our bad really." -From one of Arthas' surviving guards after the Fall of Lordaeron.

[@Xenobears]

Well, he did let that Jay kid go… -another one of the footmen with Arthas.

[@nullanonsonemmenoiocosascr6676]

The thumbnail Is probably best described as "Howdy boys, i'm Arthas Menethil,Prince of these parts"

[@djenei2564]

I will steer the World tree into a collision course with the Archimonde!

[@nullanonsonemmenoiocosascr6676]

@@djenei2564 Archimonde: OH MY SARGERASSS

[@vumasster]

I guess you wouldn’t be a silver hand paladin if you weren’t a complete pain in the ass

[@thebenqisme]

arthas next campaign : "i will rule lordaeron or i will see it burnt into ash"

[@Iceisnice1]

_"You Lordaeron yokels are all alike."_ - General Edmund Garithos

[@alexashton6501]

"theres supposed to be ghosts here" - casually misses the ghost of 4yo Grant also - it shows ghosts of the slain villiagers, since baby grant was the only one killed, hes the only one that spawns

[@AshtonvanNiekerk]

Grant is obsessed with Ghosts after they gave him a hard time in the Heart of the Swarm Nightmare finale.

[@JimboMcBrostein]

Villager: Welcome to our vill- *SLAM* Arthas: Sorry, force of habit

[@brendonmasters9483]

As the young Artanis once said. "This is Warcraft in space! It's much more sophisticated!"

[@lonesometomb773]

Actually if you double check, the ghosts are there, they're just *really* faded out. At 8:28, for example, you can see the ghost of a woman and a child at the top-most graves.

[@GiantGrantGamesArchives]

Looking at the vod you're absolutely correct! I had my monitor fairly dim because I had a headache and just could not see it

[@lonesometomb773]

@@GiantGrantGamesArchives Yeah, I think they're also just a lot fainter than they are in the base game. I nearly missed them as well.

[@TheHej2]

I see the spirits of the dead. Not an spec-op agent that can bring down fire from the sky

[@momom6197]

@@lonesometomb773 Thanks for pointing them out! Even after you gave the timestamp, I had to squint three times before I got it.

[@honourabledoctoredwinmoria3126]

@@GiantGrantGamesArchives I couldn't see them either.

[@QuestionableObject]

Giant Grant sees a Giant Grant and immediately decides he must die. There can only be one?

[@lanychabot-laroche135]

I had not clicked that the kid was bigger because of how tall Grant is. That is genius.

[@unukbigwall2279]

zug zug

[@TheM8]

Of course the child is big it's giant grant!

[@ironmilutin]

And he's running around, playing games with Jay

[@vaniellys]

I wish Reforged removed the 12 units selection limit. That is the main reason why I'm interested by Synergy's port into SC2.

[@atifarshad7624]

It's also the reason why I am interested in playing something like Mass Recall over the original SC1 campaign

[@BlackPsionic]

Of course you can't kill Timmy, Grant. How else is he going to survive until the Undead campaign and end up turned into a ghoul?

[@Ht9ehtoom]

Does that happen?

[@sharpasacueball]

@@Ht9ehtoom Yeah look up wc3 timmy

[@Ht9ehtoom]

@@sharpasacueball apparently he's also in wow (twice)

[@BlackPsionic]

@@Ht9ehtoom Aye. At least I recall in the first Undead mission, you can find a Neutral ghoul in a cage named Timmy Which is a little weird because it's the town from the 3rd or 4th mission (where you first meet Jaina) and not this one that I've already forgotten the name of.

[@andrzejnadgirl2029]

@@BlackPsionic I'm quite sure whole Timmy issue was explained properly in Abelhawk videos because there was even more Timmies, in TFT there is even penguin named Timmy.

[@dsds51621]

00:09 Very glad that it's reborn, not reforged :) so happy to see Warcraft in Space (sort of). Thank you, Synergy, for working on this incredible work of (dare I say) historical significance, aesthetic justice, and nostalgic value. And thank you Grant for helping the story reach as many eyes as possible and for generally keeping the RTS community buzzing!

[@OMIMreacts]

"Can I kill mys..." "I can't say that on KZbin without being monetized" ... "Can I attack this child?"

[@MrCMaccc]

"Hell, it's about damn time" I've been waiting for this for a while. Grant doing his WC3 in SC2 runs is literally my childhood coming full circle

[@timothyallen3117]

The part at 8:49 where the screen pans to the black part of the town is where you see the boss running through the town trampling townspeople, but for some reason the fog of war didn't clear up to reveal that.

[@BaSsC1000]

WTF is this?? How is it that i only saw this now?? This is everything WC3: FT sequel needs... It looks so awesome. Really really well done dude

[@TheRealAceBase]

Blizzard: Refuses to create a good Warcraft 3 Remake Synergy: Fine, I'll do it myself. But seriously, if this was what Reforged was, I would already have loved it a WHOLE lot more than what we got. Gameplay improvements, like the speed and unit selection, makes this amazing. While it takes away from the feel of the older multi control group method of playing, I think that with the amount of casters, and abilities, multiple control groups would still be a benefit. This, with new skins, level designs, and improved cinematics would've been an easy 60 dollars to me. Edit: I LOVE the casting range indicator, this is SO GOOD. Also, the fact that we finally see that man survive... That's something amazing, really. Also, child-Grant took over during the counting at the end, I guess.

[@AshtonvanNiekerk]

Now that Synergy made all the resources, maybe he can make a Wings of Liberty with Warcraft units?

[@FedeeBlack]

It would be hard to balance, all units are like x10 times beefier and x3-5 stronger than Starcraft, making it way easier, unless the Zerg truly become the Swarm and fill your screen with units

[@AshtonvanNiekerk]

@@FedeeBlack Synergy seems to be good at balancing "hard-to-balance" things. What's more is, it does not need to be competative, just fun to watch.

[@Photoloss]

@@hypotheticalaxolotl Well the War3 races use Terrazine and Custom Resource but it'd be easy to write a trigger which converts your stash and adjust mining. The balance is a complete showstopper however as the War3 mod uses a completely different set of tags and modifiers on top of the stats etc. all of which need to be adjusted per unit. The overall design of buffs, spell resistance/immunity, hero levelling, creeps and items has no real equivalent in SC2 either. As-is it only takes like 3-4 gyrocopters to down a mothership so there's no way to make missions balanced _and fun_ without hitting performance limits. Mind you I'm not saying Wings of Liberty: Scourge Edition is _impossible_ just that using the War3 mod saves little time and work over just starting with the art mod and copy-pasting some of the nastiest Actor XML.

[@sergioramirezbelliard493]

For that maybe finding a Starcraft unit close equivalent of a warcraft unit and adjusting the HP (Zealot = Grunt, Zergling = Ghoul, Marine = Archer and Footman being weaker than grunts/zealots but stronger than the others)

[@hakonmarcus]

Challenge run idea: can you beat Wings of Liberty with just a blastoise?

[@GiantGrantGamesArchives]

Not enough PP to fight off all the enemies on All In.

[@hakonmarcus]

@@GiantGrantGamesArchives You can mimic razor swarm from Kerrigan..?

[@rexxthevaliant]

@@GiantGrantGamesArchives time to mod the command center into a Pokémon Center it seems

[@toddclawson3619]

@@rexxthevaliant If someone were actually willing to make such a mod where Raynor trains pokemon instead of marines, I would whole-heartedly support Grant using some of that money from Twitch Trolls Grant to fund it.

[@robertlupa8273]

Sir this isn't Jrose.

[@chrinschbro]

Yes finally :) I SO love this project Synergy is AMAZING

[@saraslha3589]

12:29 don't you dare think we didn't see you mimic the ridiculous mouth movement of the knight

[@pigzard01]

Props to Synergy for the seamless port of the campaign. I do hope there's a chance of reforged graphics getting ported as well.

[@muffintop9120]

Neat. I wonder if people will port their custom WC3 campaigns over once Synergy finishes.

[@inkromancer_studios]

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES! Synergy you are an absolute god among men! I can't wait too see all of this campaign! And I'm even more excited about the prospect of making another GGG animatic out of this!

[@yessir6919]

3:20 Yeah, the 12 unit limit is a pain to deal with, especially during large engagements. 3:35 Here we have the average Warcraft 3 Custom Campaign player in its purest form: killing and destroying everything for loot.

[@CollectorsOfStoriesUntold]

These are items that should be on the map if they have not been changed. 1) A Potion of Healing in the crate just left of where you start and between the two tents. 2) To the right of the start area and also hidden in a crate is a Scroll of Protection. 3) When you slay the gnolls who have kidnapped Timmy one of them will drop a Potion of Healing. 4) You’ll be given a Ring of Protection when you rescue Timmy. 5) One of the bandits north of the path after rescuing Timmy will drop a Scroll of Healing. 6) One of the bandits in the Bandit Lord’s camp will drop a Potion of Mana. 7) After completing the Slay the Bandit Lord quest and taking the ledger back to Gerard he will reward you with a Tome of Strength.

[@MugwumptheGrand]

Every time I look at the old Warcraft 3 models and animations, it makes me really appreciate how much detail the animators put into their animations. Bits of their outfit bobbing as they run or a variety of attack animations. The higher polygon count and higher res textures in reforged just don't do the same for me as they slide prettily across the ground.

[@MomirViggwilv]

For a moment, I thought this was Starcraft 2 missions with Warcraft 3 missions. That would be a funny campaign.

[@yourdoom6554]

A good idea, I think, would be to check your unit stats compared to the stats of the enemy orcs. Iirc, on Hard, the Grunts get either an HP boost or they start with extra upgrades, if not both.

[@ninovalenzuela1019]

3:15 "Welcome to our village!" :) Arthas: BONK! :D

[@energyipad5566]

Grant: "Am I an idiot?" Me: Instantly nods. I have not forgotten all the times you have said you are one.

[@tunch90]

"Everyone wonders if I will be as good an king as my father. But I want something more. To prove that I will be a better king. And a better man."

[@icy3-1]

*Boss, you killed a child... Amazing, mission complete! That right there is why you're the best, Boss!*

[@TMoDDD]

Glad the War 3 assets in SC 2 were put to good use.

[@JessWLStuart]

Yay! New Grant Video and new Synergy work!

[@carrier2456]

GGG's voice is so professional and calm for some reason..

[@sethb3090]

A complete contrast to his immediate compulsion to murder 4-year-olds

[@ZiomekDuszek]

ohhh my God... you just showed me a precious gem i need to check for myself, thank you so much.

[@iarbach]

I think the child named Grant was bigger because he's "giant"

[@Ahmed-_Hilal_-]

Is there any hope to see reforged models in SC2 engine ? 🙈

[@CubeItself]

you know its great when grant is constantly getting distracted

[@Supergoon1989]

Everything seems to have the attack damage of an un-upgraded zergling, but the health of an aberration, at least. Fights seem to last a lot longer than I expected, things just die a lot slower in warcraft, I guess? Would it be possible to have a mod option for everything to have 50% health. including all my stuff and my heroes, so it'd be balanced still, but a bit faster? I'm so pleased with the movement speed though! it's really nice! Hope it doesn't cause ranged units like archers to be underpowered, though.

[@toddclawson3619]

It has been a while since I played Warcraft, but I do recall fights being slower more drawn-out affairs. Like Grant said, it can be difficult to go back to Warcraft 3 after playing Starcraft 2 as it is much slower-paced.

[@Supergoon1989]

@@toddclawson3619 I really like the items that heroes hold & the heroes levelling up and getting better stats and learning new abilities. I would love to play protoss but with a 'High Templar Hero' who gets feedback level 1,2,&3. Psi storm, level 1,2,&3 (maybe as it upgrades you have higher damage and a wider area of effect) Something else as well, maybe a passive shield regeneration buff to nearby units. (level 1,2,3) - and: It's Level 6 ultimate ability could be Archon Morph for a moderate time duration. Nice!

[@Supergoon1989]

@@toddclawson3619 Some of the items you find could even grant single uses of other unit abilities. Maybe 'Amulet of Blinking: 3 charges' You click it and your hero can blink once, and it depletes a charge from the amulet. Or something like 'Shield Capacitor, Passive bonus of +50 shields while equipped'

[@Photoloss]

OG WC3 is _insanely_ slow, and I don't mean the sim speed which is also slow. If you compare the averages for the T1 units they have 3x as much health per food, only 60% of the dps per food and 30% longer weapon cooldowns which can make it feel even slower. Together these numbers imply an F2A battle between T1 units should last roughly *FIVE TIMES* as long in WC3 compared to SC2 if the game speed is the same. Halving HP will absolutely wreck any semblance of balance though. Hero spells will start oneshotting stronger units making battles extremely swingy (and RNG crapshoots if the AI has viable spells e.g. the liches in March of the Scourge and Shores of Northrend). Mortar Teams would be gods. Low HP melee units like Footmen and Skeletons become useless where in vanilla they can actually take a volley and close into melee. If this is the kind of gameplay you like play WoL and the Terran Edition campaigns and don't go out of your way to avoid marine+tank comps.

[@igorhorvat6080]

Key bindigs: you can modify hero key bindings, but you cannot modify specific campaign heroes in the menu. I.E. you can modify generic paladin keys, but not Arthas.

[@djenei2564]

Guys what is your favourite wc3/frozen campaign mission and why?

[@GiantGrantGamesArchives]

Final Orc mission, it has so many awesome things going for it: 1) A super scary and competent enemy 2) An ally who is actually strong and helpful 3) A map and mission design where-- Whoops I finished the mission already.

[@angryspearmen3614]

ROC human №5 mission. The one where you need to defend the village for 30 mins. You can win this mission by killing all enemy bases. This makes mission much more interesting and challenging in a good way. Pushing enemy base is a long process. Enemyes produse units endlessly and they specificly target your mortar teams! The only unit who can kill buildings. And you lack defencive tools. You only melee unit is a useless footman and healers runs out of mana without Jaina. Process of keeping mortar teams alive reqire a lot of planning, micro and resets. I love this mission so much

[@diedtodeath6935]

final blood elf mission was a blast when i was a kid, i had soo much fun playing it, exploring dangerous dungeons and having to play at two different sides of the map was pure fun at the times :D

[@toddclawson3619]

@@GiantGrantGamesArchives The computer allies were far more useful in Warcraft 3 if I recall correctly. I wonder why they took such a nosedive in Starcraft 2.

[@toddclawson3619]

I liked the final elf mission in WC3. Holding the line against the burning legion with humans, orcs, and night elves all working together to save the world just felt epic.

[@abaddonarts1129]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't we now have a fight between StarCraft and Warcraft units if they were balanced to be around similar strengths? I'd LOVE to see a wings of liberty campaign but as the humans or the undead. I don't see why it couldn't happen, right?

[@totallynotavoyeur6977]

I mean, at that point it's just Stormgate

[@bafrali5561]

Their models are still quite chunky and attacks are rather slow. Can you imagine the zerglings againt footmen.

[@Supergoon1989]

What I really want is StarCraft 2 style heroes that can hold items upgrade like they do it Warcraft 3. The only one we actually get like that is Dehaka on Co-op commanders.

[@Photoloss]

@@Supergoon1989 Orb of Terrazine: it won't let you attack flying units but it sure will get you high.

[@Supergoon1989]

I just played through the prologue campaign and I loved it! - I only recall 2 missions actually existing in that campaign when I played it through about 10 years ago...there are now 5 missions. So that's 3 brand new mission to me! Very very nice! I look forward to Christmas Eve, and i'll play the Human Campaign then!

[@jakesandman8409]

The last 3 missions are from the wc3 demo disc. They were hidden in the offline custom games folder. It’s how thrall met the trolls.

[@Anonie324]

The giant child named Grant at 3:30 is amazing.

[@AmaroqStarwind]

I’m picturing it now. Arthus waking up in a Terran barracks, confused as all hell.

[@Necroxion]

The entirety of Blizzard: Impossible! Nobody can remake Warcraft 3! Synergy: Hold my beer

[@patmarek1222]

"I wanted to say reforged.." yeah, the real Reforged :)

[@darkaryn7438]

9:00 finally after 2 years the villager is safe! Does that mean we will get a new deathless?

[@stevenborchert6551]

Hey @GaintGrantGames, Insanemonster has released the full campaign for Re-reforged for the human campaign! Would you do a playthrough of it? Also, side thing, ghosts are meant to only at the graveyard between midnight and 1am, and you went at 3am, so idk if they are in or not

[@christopherdecock703]

So smooth, I can't believe it's not StarCraft

[@KindaJewish]

I hadn't realized Synergy was Orville Redenbacher, because that looks buttery as heck.

[@Saelendious]

Hoping for the day when Grant plays some Warcraft 3 custom campaigns. W3 Alternate would be a good place to start.

[@BrandynQuigley]

This is honestly the best way to play the wc3 campaign right now. So good. It's incredible. The fact that ghouls dont get caught by f2 if they're farming lumber... And like.. Transport and observer units don't get pulled in. It almost feels better to play than starcraft 2

[@brentramsten249]

im pretty sure i would never have gotten into RTS games at all if it werent for WC3 specifically. the strong feeling of responsibility i had pretty much prevented me from playing them in general. the thought of any unit under my responsibility dying was capable of crushing my tiny little heart. WC3 slower attacks, large health pools and quick access to healing allowed me to get almost all the way through the campaigns without losing a single unit. even that last orc mission, i managed to build so many watchtowers that they could kill an infernal without it getting a single hit off in return. while i can now stand losing a couple units, i still love the slower, more deliberate and tactical aspects of RTS... and my old passion of building an impenetrable defensive nest is a low burning but persistent flame, feed by just the right game at just the right time.

[@theabarguy]

Am I the only one who thought that it would be fun to see "WoL: wc3 human edition"?

[@flummoxed5083]

Came to post this. There’s a bunch of decisions to be made implementing this: are the enemies wc3 factions? If not, does everything use sc2 armor mechanics or wc3 armor and weapon types? And is the combat slower and methodical like in this video or do things die quickly like sc2? It would be difficult to make something that felt like an actual merger of the two games.

[@sintanan469]

@@flummoxed5083 Difficult, yes. But with the resources of Synergy's work on Azeroth Reborn, it's not impossible now.

[@Photoloss]

@@sintanan469 Not "impossible" but keep in mind the "Warcraft 3 in Starcraft 2's engine" mod already existed and was made by Blizzard. Synergy is "only" porting over (and fixing, and tuning...) the campaign mission maps, their triggers ("rough" versions of both can be created from an SC2 Editor import script from the actual original maps) and the campaign-specific dialogue and cinematics (yeah he has to import those manually). And the Blizzard-made mods for War3 and the SC2 campaigns aren't really compatible. Fixing all those issues on top of rebalancing a currently insurmountable difference in stats would be a vastly more ambitious project than a "mere" race-swapped campaign. And then we get to stuff such as hero levelling and items or the buff/summon/dispel system which needs actual design work. _And then_ Synergy would somehow need to scrounge together somewhat fitting dialogue so we don't just get Arthas collecting a dozen copies of Frostmourne throughout a single campaign. All the "custom race" stuff, sure it might take a year or two but I can at least see how it would be done. But making a campaign swap that's not just 26 missions of "senile Azeroth" memes? I honestly have no idea how to tackle that without recording new voice lines.

[@MrTjwesty]

Unsure if it was missed but I like the fact that same items stacks, as there was 2xMana Potions I always hated the fact that I had to use an item to pick up the same type again. I will look at this new mod.

[@Regunes]

I was expecting the Footmen going "Raider mod" on some Orcish holostatues, but that's good too

[@costelinha1867]

People: "I don't understand, Arthas was such a great, righteous man and paladin, why would he kill his own father, and become the king of a massive undead army?" Arthas: (Literally tries to kill a child in the first mission of the WC3 Human Campaign.)

[@Techhunter_Talon]

8:43 Ghost of Grant says, 'Hello'. :P

[@HyperShadow991]

another benefit is f2 button access as well as being able to command WAY more units in 1 group also we need a co-op version of this too

[@BladeWinters]

I need to start spreading this video to everyone

[@AmaroqStarwind]

8:19 “Somebody call for an exterminator?”

[@TurboMMaster]

To add insult to injury, this version also have much more appealing animation than Reforged IMO.

[@minhdoan5524]

WOOOOOO the CAMPAIGN continues! Reborn-forge-birth!

[@Knuttonj]

I wonder how easy it would be, since synergy has made this, to port over/replicate the WC3 co-op campaign people made a while back Because I had great fun playing that with my bro but the codes were janky as fuck

[@Larbek24]

Ok, this looks great. I think that the voices are a bit too quite but that are most likely just Grants settings. Also the two children Grant and Jay were called Blake and Ryan in the original.

[@vladislavkaras491]

Very cool Thanks Synergy, thanks 4 years old Grant!

[@jek_si2251]

Yess! I'm going to make good use of this

[@bendystrawz2832]

Aw yes, here we go again! I'm pumped!

[@deKaiserAlda]

Thank you so much for doing this. I love it

[@Tucher97]

I am gonna be odd one out, an aspect I liked about Warcraft 3 reforged is the night elve's defense units getting a serious fix which was a glaring aspect of reign of chaos but one aspect I cannot look over is the game was outsourced and the shade unit. Ok one, its suppose to be a ghost or some sort, it looks like it on the map yes but its model in reforged looks less like a ghost and not anything faithful to the original.

[@jamesmacaraegmorales2965]

I wish synergy, jayborino and giantgrant plays the trio game again. Best Collab.

[@hydraulichydra8363]

In WC3, you rarely had more than 24 fighting units anyway so imo the 12 cap wasn't an issue. Now having so few units arguably was...

[@arrowghost]

I wish there's a way to port everything from Reforged into here

[@maroanbaker1267]

alternate title: Warcraft 3: ACTUALLY Reforged

[@trietnguyen698]

It is first chapter of Reign of Chaos and Arthas already descending into madness as he kills Grant under the influence of Grant TT

[@isaachepworth7860]

If you're wondering about the damage it's because Grunts have more health than Battlecrusiers.

[@ericstaples7220]

The names of the villagers were often the names of friends and family of the map creators, otherwise, there was no point in naming them.

[@BaggyB266]

I need to try Azeroth Reborn. Thanks mate

[@alexanderrahl7034]

i havent played Warcraft 3 since reforged did what it did. im so insanely lucky to have disc copies of the game and the ability to unplug my ethernet cable lol. and all my favorite maps on a flashdrive.

[@zayr64]

The only thing this mod is holding me back at the moment is the blue tint over the map, WC3 is very bright, and having this dark tonne takes from the original. Besides that, i would call this the real Definitive Version

[@djenei2564]

you can select more than 12 units at once lets goooooo

[@Supergoon1989]

I'm looking forward to the better macro - I can have a hotkey with like 12 barracks in it and spam out 12 footmen at a time...pretty sure I could never do that before!

[@dragonflame4990]

the fact you werent using the health and mana potion were tilting the living hell out of me lol

[@gyppygirl2021]

Ugh this looks SO GOOD. I'm especially interested in the speed increase - I love Warcraft 3, but the slowness gets to me sometimes.

[@StefanBlackSchwarz]

You can see the ghost in the cemetary only if you have killed villiagers

[@ZFherri]

imma tell my kids this was reforged

[@famlivingroom1790]

Imagine Dota 1 going back to life in Starcraft 2. Full circle!

[@sycariummoonshine7134]

Ah yes. The Glowing weapons. The voice acting. It's how it should be. Needs more neon grass though for that authentic experience. ;D

[@joalgraco367]

As a W3 player I can say that even if this looks really good a really important part of W3 is the positioning of the units. So the movement is supposed to be that clunky so you can "imprisoned" an enemy unit with one or two units. That's even an strategy in multiplayer, if you take that out you kill an entire strategy, also the idea of using only a 12 group hotkey promotes the squad gameplay and micromanagent of units instead of a F2 + A click gameplay.

[@leeva93]

That’s actually incorrect about the pathing and unit trapping. That wasn’t a intended mechanic, they just didn’t have a efficient engine compared to sc2. So pvp games and pro games started to exploit unit trapping. Similar to exp stealing or players kills their own units to not give exp is also a unintended mechanic. Designer Dave who worked on wc3 said it himself in a q&a.

[@Supergoon1989]

Would it be possible to have a mod-option to enable more carrying capacity for Heroes? - I could only carry 6 things and there were a lot more items available than that - I explored everywhere. I often used potions of mana and scrolls when I didnt really need to, just to free up more carrying capacity for other things. Maybe double it to about 12 items? I think that should be enough. I also like that similar items stack and only take 1 inventory space. At one point I had 2 health potions only taking up a single slot, and and 2 scrolls of healing only taking a single slot. Nice! :D

[@Supergoon1989]

Health potions on the hero seemed completely un-necessary. He very rarely got attacked because he wasn't on the front lines. I'd appreciate more mana potions instead.

[@Photoloss]

@@Supergoon1989 The AI does tend to focus down heroes more on Hard so watch out for that. Inventory management is part of the game's design and balance, too many slots would just make everyone overpowered garbage like Kerrigan in vanilla HotS. It should be easy to use Arthas' health on the front lines in missions where you don't get Jaina (when you do Water Elementals just tank everything).

[@theFimcos]

Grant:" OMG is he lvl 9?" I: "No grant that is a 6 if i remember numbers correctly:"

[@Shegin]

That's amazing, specially considering little things like walking throw the trees footmens reminding you that it's all handmade project. Arthas'es face tho....something wrong with that. Pretty sure it was more colourfull and bright in the original wc3. And the sound and glowing effect while you hero is low hp is really annoying and shouldn't be the case, i think, since it's pretty normal in wc3 and sometimes you have more then 1 hero (which almost never the case in sc2 where the future somewhat fine).

[@LithmusEarth]

So I watched the Orc Campaign (not a prologue one though I think) It's probably Frozen Throne? It's a newer series for you than this, so I suspect it comes after this, canonically perhaps? So long ago I don't recall from when I was playing. I have a hard time watching this especially after the orc campaign and not one to either play it myself or muck in the editor to make my own stuff again.

[@AlmidarMadowe]

Wish it was possible to bring over W3s lighting. It looks so close to the original yet the cold blue tint seems off.

[@5000Seabass]

Just change your monitor color temperature

[@Photoloss]

Can be changed manually if anyone can provide solid data on what it's _supposed_ to look like. We have a Lighting Data tab in SC2, but evidently those settings don't translate well from the original maps if the import script even attempts to do so in the first place.

[@AlmidarMadowe]

​@@Photoloss Honestly my knowledge is close to zero when it comes to lighting, but If you check how original W3 looks it was a lot warmer.

[@Photoloss]

@@AlmidarMadowe But does that mean "less blue, more yellow" or just "brighter" or "same light, different angle" or something else? There are dozens of individual parameters which go into SC2 lighting configuration, we can make everything super shiny or anime-flat or a screen-incinerating eyesore if we want to.

[@Rafael96xD]

If, on the other side, you want to play warcraft 3 reforged with the old limitations but with better graphics, try the quenching mod.

[@Wolphie]

My only complaint with this compared to the reforged is the lack of other localisations (not that I can't understand English but unfortunately I'm among a lot of people who can't and would really by interested by this). Otherwise it looks AWESOME.

[@redcrown5154]

you will never be a woman

[@Wolphie]

@@redcrown5154 Too late, I already am, but thanks for your concern

[@Eunski]

Even though this looks better. I really.. really like the reforge models.