The Most Problematic Chapter in Dead by Daylight

[@darthvaderreviews6926]

IMO Halloween is only really "problematic" when looking _back_ at it in retrospect. While a lot of the stuff it released with has aged really poorly in the modern era of the game, DbD's early balancing had stuff like infinites, little semblance of Killer balancing, and BS mechanics like Decisive Strike more normalised. If BHVR released the Halloween chapter _today_ with DbD's meta as evolved as it is, yeah it'd be pandemonium in the streets, but back then the game and its players were just less evolved, so the main focus was more so on how much fun it was, and it was _very_ fun

[@bunnythehutt2148]

To an extent but the perks and map are def still a problem, cuz everything besides stbfl is very mediocre and rarely give enough of a benefit to be worth using over other perks and the map still has infinites that are hard to deal with as most killers. Also myers is still horribly outdated and is arguably the worst killer in the game. The chapter as a whole is still problematic but for different reasons, the main one being everything about it is just mid or isn’t worth using.

[@Thekingoftrackfield]

The fact that ghostface is just michael but... can crouch and doesnt take as long to stalk is just wild to me.😂 btw I'm not hating on ghostface.they play differently, tho. In terms of addons cosmetics. Etc.

[@liandre9035]

And you can even use ghostfaces stealth in other ways too. I rarely actually stalk, i rather sneak up and surprise attack survivors or use it at loops for better mindgames.

[@dadamek8]

Honestly I'd rather play Michael in most cases, but it's mostly because of the reveal mechanic not working properly half the time

[@Thekingoftrackfield]

@@dadamek8 exactly thats the one problem with ghostface. Sometimes I'll be stalking behind wall in a house on another floor bit if they see the left side of my butt I get revealed.

[@Thekingoftrackfield]

@@liandre9035 and you can also get revenge on toxic survivors. Sure you can bring tombstone and mori at exit gates. With myers but I don't wanna feel like I eat 10 bigmacs 5 large fries and 3 sodas. When chasing

[@ynglink]

Without add-ons, yes. Mikey's add-ons are what make him fun, and I'm not just calling out Tombstones. We all know the mirror builds are fun to play with and Ghost Face cannot do that.

[@gamey83]

Even if he is weak, Myers is still one of the only killers in the game that is still legitimately scary. Especially since yo don't initially know which Myers you are facing. Which is something that is quite fun about him. You can change his playstyle with his add-ons so his gameplay is almost never going to be boring. As for his tombstone add-ons. Tombstone itself, the iri one, is fine as is. It take quite a long time to build up to tier 3 to even use it, and if you pair it with the other iri, the game could end before you even reach tier 3 to begin with. Tombstone Piece, however....that one does need a change. I am personally fine with it keeping its Mori effect, but make it harder and/or more risky to use. Like, the Mori can only be performed on someone who is fully staked. Maybe add in that it can only be used once and drops you back down to tier 1 upon success. Or prevents you from going into tier 3 more than once per game.

[@Scyclo]

Tombstone piece just needs to be reworked, and while I agree with you on tombstone, we can't deny that it is an unhealthy addon in the game, there is a very important achievement tied to it though so it can't just be reworked

[@envvy_rain]

Yeah i agree it’s super unfun not knowing if myers has tombstone or not and then he pops tier 3 right on top of you and just kills you without needing to really do anything other than stalk. I think Micheal needs a rework to those add ons to make them harder to use and they need to make all his add ons they have unnecessary drawbacks not have those

[@HabitsRabbits]

Def agree on those tombstone changes. The Iri is strong but balanced while the purple is ridiculously nutty. Your suggested changes would definitely stop the part of games where a Myers you haven't seen the entire match walks up and murders you immediately, though it'll probably encourage tunneling on the killer end of things. I'd also add the condition that the survivor you murder must also be hooked once beforehand (at least for the purple), so the Myers has to actually play for a while first before getting value out of the addon.

[@Tundraviper41]

once I used granite piece and my tier 3 ran out before the mori was completed, and it set me back to only 70% instead of the 30 to 40% it normally does so I could mori a 3rd survivor with granite piece instead of just 2.

[@THEANTHATAE]

I’ve been playing since 2018 & I faced a Myers that was popping tier 3 in like 2 seconds, and me and my friend was running down a hallway and both of our characters got stuck in the doorway, I didn’t think DBD was still considered a horror game😂 but in that moment we both started shrieking screaming knowing Micheal was right behind us

[@georgialopez7717]

Dead By Daylight certainly had it's fair share of flaws at it's launch and Halloween was a product of that time. It makes sense why the perks and add-ons created new shifts in power for both sides because the devs definitely wanted to deliver something big for such a legendary license. That's why a perk like DS has stood the test of time despite being one of the most nerfed. It's stun is so satisfying because you do it with your own strength. Not with a pallet, a locker, or a generator. Just your own will to live. These feelings are why this chapter is so loved today. Halloween is the bedrock that made every license we have now possible and the spookiness it brought is nothing short of magnificent. Laurie and Michael now have their own unique legacies in DBD. 😊

[@VanDecrucq]

Love to see such a wholesome comment in a dbd video

[@Steven-qh1vt]

This could be an interesting new series; discussing the chapters when they were released and how they are now. Great video as always!

[@AZHYMOVS]

cool idea glad you liked it

[@icyysilver1779]

I like playing against Michael because he actually scares me

[@Ticklemonster54]

Difference between being scared and getting jumpscared

[@mythmage8231]

You get spooked. You don't feel fear. There's a difference.

[@rker]

​@@mythmage8231startled

[@dkres82]

@@Ticklemonster54until I know for sure I’m always scared of the tombstone.

[@siei3i37]

​@@mythmage8231Michael and Ghostface are just jumpscares. Dredge is fear

[@Trident_Gaming03]

No matter how bad Tools of Torment or Forged in Fog were, I don't think anything compares to the RE chapter That update hurt the optimization of the game for YEARS, the map wasn't even playable for, what, over a month because of how bad everything ran after its introduction?

[@viciousveras1648]

I had a lower end PC at the time, and it was hell to play after RE release

[@McLovin-zf7wq]

Is that the update that made it so that your game crashed whenever you tried to use Dead Hard on playstation? It was a hectic time for sure and makes me question to this day how the game is still alive lol

[@rahzoriel2103]

You forgot to mention Moris require a hook. Tombstone addons don't. Instantly removing a survivor without needing a hook is an insanely huge advantage for any killer, and makes all other Myers addons baby stuff compared. And yes, "exhausting" stalking is BS.

[@viciousveras1648]

but he did mention that though? He even said that in the past Moris worked the same way Myers's tombstone works ( 14:42 )

[@rahzoriel2103]

@@viciousveras1648 It wasn't explicit, so I thought he didn't, you're right.

[@BouncingTribbles]

I got my first killer DC against a nurse on Haddonfield today. The two window wall was just to much.

[@CupofLoffee]

Aw i feel that. :/

[@Bignfluffy]

What a dumbfuck nurse😂

[@steelrice3974]

Love the Halloween chapter but it did bring so many issues into the game. Hopefully Myers is next on the killer rework list to update him to current dbd.

[@envvy_rain]

I think his tombstone add ons need an additional requirement to mori them and then his add ons that increase stalk gained need to have the drawbacks removed and Michael himself could use some animation fixes

[@Dollyhandle]

NOOOO (」ﾟﾛﾟ)｣

[@trex7680]

I genuinely believe Myers’ addons are the best designed in the game. The addons he has I wish are how all of the others were designed. Addons should be designed in a way that can alter the killers playstyle entirely.

[@dozzy9984]

Kinda like how Doctor is (at least for now - we don't know what will happen in few months, since he's on "the list"). But sadly, I don't really see any way to do that for most killers. At best other killers have 2 playstyles and they already got addons for both. Knight is probably the best contender, because his power is the most complex out of them all (3 different types of summons, ability to do different stuff with them, chasing multiple survs at once or one by 2 killers). Hmm, maybe Knight could be rewarded for chasing different survivor than guard does? Or make that guard faster, but if Knight gets to surv first it has some strong effect (don't know, insta down? hindered? incapacitated?)? Maybe an addon that would make Knight's attacks non lethal (or make him just unable to attack), but he could summon all 3 guards at once (either as all 3 nodes going away from him, while he directs one path, or by no cooldown between guards)? Maybe Nemesis could spawn an additional zombie (max 1) with missed special at the cost of not being able to t3 anymore? And further misses could destroy then respawn oldest zombie? Or get it further and prevent t2, but instead of tentacle not being able to break stuff, it would be unable to infect survs, so you would have to use zombies for that (and max 2 more zombies)? Maybe Huntress could get action speed bonus for a time (and maybe haste) after a missed hatchet, that would have to be a rework of iri head (otherwise it could be beyond broken - you missed an insta down, now get there and hit that surv, it's their fault)? Or she gets 10s of 15% haste for long distance hatchet hits (like 30 meters or more)? (don't listen to numbers, I don't know what numbers would work while not breaking the game)

[@locajoji8315]

Lmao I love how your talking about how problematic myers is as you get stuck on a bush 1:30 😂

[@MgoMSx]

Honestly.. I've played Dbd since the start of this year.. 400+ already sank into it.. But till this day Michael myers is still the scariest.. I was never a massive fan of the films, only watching a few of them. Though they were good still. I still can't help but legitimately be scared of him, not having the heartbeat warning, catching him in the distance just staring at you as he charges up his attack etc. Very well made imo and something always feels different when I play against him.

[@DirtyDan1203]

Hoping you make another one of these for the first resident evil chapter, the 2nd most problematic chapter, since it literally broke the game

[@RedCommunistDragon]

Honestly that might have been worse than A Binding of Kin’s release.

[@violentthoughts05]

10:43 mad respect for him waiting for the feng to get away from the portal before chasing instead of getting the free hit

[@luckypirate6365]

i think because this is the first licences chapter the devlopers main focus was to make the characters lore accuret as possible regardless of the balance or the game focus and we can see that with luarie perks and myers perks and power

[@donaldfrederick501]

Only ever ran the red tombstone given all the complaints I've seen here about those using the purple piece one. Scratch mirror still my usual run just for scare factor (and welcome back Hawkins Labs cause that's a scratch mirror paradise.

[@CCG_editz]

Not the most problematic chapter in my opinion. I’d say Nurse is the most problematic killer and all of the maps have their flaws.

[@madsad7136]

I love the breakdown of the chapter and the history of the game. Thanks Azhy

[@CupofLoffee]

I have to say i love playing against killers that stalk and sneak the most, it becomes scarier and more unpredictable and i hope we get more sneaky killers

[@atinybard6594]

I will say, it is sort of insane that survivors do not regen their stalk at a slow pace throughout the match... its so wild that once its all gone its just... gone. You get no power anymore lmao.

[@vauvakolibri]

"And hopefully by the end I can convince you" Having played when it came out, I already believe you.

[@naszirboyd9950]

Myers is the first killer I bought along with Freddy Kruger when he had to pull people into the dream world. That was when I was in the sixth grade. He’s one of my favorite killers ever with the inclusion also of Demo and nemesis now. But he is so outdated and it really has to do with the license holders cause Mathieu Cote said otherwise. But I would love a buff or even a rework for my boy.

[@thatfishguy4991]

I’d like them to keep Myers’ ability to kill without bringing a mori but I think they should either only work on fully stalked survivors or only work on survivors who have been hooked twice. Either way you’d be able to kill them while fully healthy but they’ll be more balanced and not feel unfair.

[@StopWhiningManguideCultists]

Yes fully stalked would be cooler. Teir three can maybe be exposed but if they full stalked you get to Mori. Sadly lockers will be used every game

[@thatfishguy4991]

@@StopWhiningManguideCultistsI think if they’re gonna nerf tombstone they need to give him a new locker mori animation as a throwback to the film. That scene where he pins bob to the wall would be iconic for a locker mori. He opens the locker, lifts them up by their throat, sticks the knife through their body and backs up, tilts his head, and pulls it out.

[@Qeseu]

You didnt say that old DS could get countered by enduring since it worked on any stun back then. Everyone and even nurses were running enduring to counter DS

[@Hexagonagle]

Always a good time when AZHYMOVS uploads

[@TrueBladeSoul]

Well Myers’s just not quite fitting right makes sense since not even the entity knows how he got there

[@mythmage8231]

I'm still really impressed by how hard the license carries the chapter. We have really bad Survivor perks, 1 good Killer perk and 2 trash ones, a universally hated map, and a Killer that, depending on whether or not you bring Tombstone, is either a generic M1 Killer with half a TR or you get instantly killed 2 minutes in after not seeing him the entire game. And yet, people love it. People claim that "Myers is the only Killer that's actually scary", which is false for a number of reasons: 1. There's a difference between getting startled and being scared. 2. There's plenty of other Killers that both startle and scare better than Myers, including but not limited to Ghost Face, Dredge, Spirit, Huntress, and Trapper. 3. Even if Myers was the best at startling people, it only happens once a match. Afterwards, you know it's a Myers, and you know how to deal with him. People say Myers is a really enjoyable Killer to play, which, again, intrigues me. For all intents and purposes, Myers is the DBD equivalent of a stat-checker. He has a smaller TR, can periodically be able to instadown and vault faster, and he starts the game Undetectable. Logically speaking, there's not a single thing about Myers that is interesting or unique. Back when Myers was the 5th playable Killer, sure, he was unique. Not like he brought anything new to the table, since Wraith had stealth and Billy had insta-downs, but he was a solid addition to the roster. Nowadays? Even if we ignore that Ghost Face is just Myers if he was actually good (funny, Ghost Face improved upon Myers twice: once in the Scream franchise, and once in DBD), his power is just that he has better stats and a shit early game. And even then, he's soon to be outclassed in that too, since Chucky's primary power is just being small and 3rd person. Compare that to Demise of the Faithful, probably the single best chapter this game has ever had, and no one talks about it, because it's Plague. Not Freddy Kreuger, not Michael Myers, not Albert Wesker, but Plague, an original Killer that was made in what is currently the middle years of the game's life.

[@OneTooMany00]

Myers.. Is still scary tho lolol. Yeah he's probs only good when the survivor team is bad. Though, finding out he can jus start killing after awhile sets the fear in real quick, and every time aha

[@Im_unknown871]

Interesting take I’m not gonna lie,I do agree on the point of the map being a problematic thing and the perks of Laurie although I don’t think that it’s gonna be enough to make the most problematic chapter,I think of something like the skull merchant being the most problematic chapter in dbd history.

[@aquaimperative5618]

Halloween chapter definitely created the most problems with the map, survivor perks, and killer all being problematic. But the Skull Merchant is by far the worst thing to ever happen to this game severity wise with one hour games being possible

[@somethingsomethingfaum324]

I disagree, as unlike with the Halloween Chapter, Skull Merchant was just about the ONLY bad thing with the Chapter, bar a couple exceptions. The Shelter Woods change was much needed, and aside from one of the windows in main it's a pretty good rework. None of the perks were or are problematic aside from MAYBE Background Player. Temple of Purgation was nicely changed, Mother's Dwelling not so much tho. The bug fixes it came with were nice, and it's Mid Chapter delivered some very much so needed changes to healing. The Chapter itself was a solid 6-7 / 10, but SM's release (even as someone who loves her) was horrid. To me though, that doesn't dictate a Chapter.

[@AirLight1646]

I disagree. Myers, Laurie, and Haddonfield all had major problematic parts of them. Skull Merchant had a very problematic power, but her perks, Renato’s and Thalita’s perks, and the Shelter Woods map change were all unproblematic for the most part. Therefore I think it’s wrong to say Tools of Torment was a problematic chapter, but Halloween chapter was problematic

[@soulbounddoll1826]

17:00, though I do think old freddy used to be a problem. He had big slowdown during dream mode and with the right perks he could slow it down even more. Not Skull merchant levels of slow but pretty slow if I remember correctly.

[@envvy_rain]

You can tell when this chapter came out because of the design philosophy of the add ons having draw backs for no reason at all but regardless of that you cannot deny the fact that just having Micheal Myers and Halloween as a chapter is 100% what caused this game to blow up in popularity

[@Yellow-cube]

The dbd 🐐 makes another good vid

[@jaida3377]

Maybe scratched mirror isn't necessarily problematic, but its at least poorly designed. It pretty much requires a map offering to use otherwise you are genuinely throwing the game by running it. Its also (in my opinion) one of the most boring things in the game to go against. Its definitely immersive but that shouldn't be valued over whether its actually fun.

[@m4tchstickz]

I played old haddonfield on dbd mobile and what really annoyed me was the really long fences and that the fact that most houses barely had any detail, it would legit be just a house with really long carpets some chairs no kitchen or no beds or doors, there was too much bushes around the map and some even out of place which made me guess that the devs probably rushed the map or forgot to add details into it Another thing was that Object Of Obsessions old self if paired with bloodpact would also allow you to see the killer the whole game even if you stopped looking in their direction Love ur vids btw ahzy you should make a twitch acc and go live on KZbin or twitch would love to see your gameplay

[@deputyrook6232]

i think Binding of Kin should be given a look just for how full of glitches the chapter was.

[@shannonlondon7228]

I think my issue with Myers is I can play a perfect game, have no hook states, and then suddenly get instakilled if I can't find hatch or get exit gates open

[@grimreaper8575]

I think a good rework for myers power is to allow him to reduce stalk on survivors. For example, if he maxed out the 1st survivor he came across, their "meter" would steadily reset as he stalks the other survivors. If he stalked everyone equally they would cap out at 75% each, stalking anyone more would lower the others. If they die then their percentage is frozen and the remaining survivors have their meters fluctuate accordingly, the highest dropping first. Numbers for those who need them: so combined survivors have 400% worth of stalk meter. Michael can only cap out at 300% before it starts going down. If a survivor dies with their meter 100% full than myers would limited to 200% of the new 300% total. If a survivor dies at 0% Myers 300% now matches the survivors 300%. Survivor dies at 50% stalked myers has a 250% pool and you get the idea.

[@dawsonrudis4642]

LOL I’ve found that bush and tree spawn with the giant ass gap you can definitely fit through, too!

[@darkish_jace8571]

I feel like BHVR needs to have the 5 best ranking players play several rounds as test runs of killers old and new, several runs everyone perkless several rounds with add-ons and to top it off several rounds with optimal Builds to really round it off, some killers are too oppressive and some killers are just underpowered and they need to know what perks make a "Free" as I constantly hear it being said... Win to totally round out all the issues with the game and really balance out the game for everyone playing

[@PickleHeroYT]

BHVR said they felt Trapper was fine before they gave him some much needed love, hopefully Myers can get the same treatment one day without compromising how thematically fitting his power is. Honestly even something as simple as giving Myers temporary haste depending on how long and how many you stalk (kinda like Knight getting haste depending on how long the patrol path is) might go a long way to making non-tombstone builds better

[@devxved]

I feel like behaviors answer for every issue lately is to just add haste to it. So i do not agree with a hasted myers.

[@viciousveras1648]

@@devxved Honestly, it's the riskiest thing for them to change game-wise (even more than gen times).

[@PumKat666]

@@devxved Although it is kinda funny, a little haste boost actually helps him (somewhat) though i wish they did something different

[@servantofmew3570]

The mention of the fences was ptsd I didn’t know I had

[@XXGGVV]

Edging to this video😍🔥 another banger from AZHYMOVS😮

[@scurbbb]

what 🧍‍♂️

[@XXGGVV]

@scurbbb edging to this reply right now😈

[@MetaSlaveCerv]

An idea for a Myres rework that can keep the immersion and make him stronger. Change the mechanic of stalk so that when you stalk a survivor for 15 seconds, you can teleport behind walls and go undetectable (this resets after every hook stage). But you won't have to stalk again unless the survivor has been unhooked.While stalking, you can go through walls but stalking speed will go down to 3.9 m/s and while stalking through a wall, use the ability button to teleport back. You cant teleport back in chase. The teleport will have a cooldown for balance reasons. There will also be another ability that shortens pallet stun durations to very quick animations because he gets hit by a lot of things in the movies and comes back like nothing happened. This can only be used once in chase. When survivors are doing generators, the stalk speed is doubled and can jumpscare survivors on the gen by teleporting to it but will not be able to move for a certain amount of seconds to let the survivors run to a pallet or window. The cooldown will depend on the tiles around him and will vary from a minimum of half a second to a max of 3 seconds. There should also be add-on changes. Tier 3 duration addons will be an increase in stalk speed but will reduce the stalk speed bonus from when survivors are by generators. The mori addons will instead apply when a survivor is fully stalked, but the survivor will need to be downed to use the insta kill. It will be more like sadako's condemn kills instead of the old tombstone add-ons. Terror radius reducing addond will instead increase the undetectable duration. And the fragrent tuft of hair will now keep the amount of stalk no matter how many times you've hooked them and you will be able to stalk through walls but this will take three times longer. Michael's teleport will be disabled for a 6 meter range around the hook when someone is hooked and when unhooked , you can't teleport to the unhooked survivor to try to prevent tunneling and camping. This will last as long as the endurance effect when unhooked lasts. This is deactivated when all generators are done so Myres can try and make a comeback if he's failing. Tell me what you think about this idea guys. And if you think some of the numbers need changing, do share your ideas

[@MetaSlaveCerv]

To be clear. I am not trying to make Myres op. I am trying to make him better but balanced. I want this to bring him to the same level as Demogorgon or Singularity. Not Nurse, Blight or Spirit

[@kkay000]

0:30 Wait what I'm in the video? ( Ash Player ) That's actually so jarring to see haha. I forgot I played against you.

[@liandre9035]

I dont think this is THE one problematic chapter, but the first of many. Gameplay wise that is. The most infuriating thing for us players i believe is that BHVR wants to sell perks too, not only characters. Especcially on survivors this becomes quite clear, if we look at things like MFT or Plot twist. Since they are just skins if you break it down, their perks need to be something usefull, otherwise noone is going to buy. Or only buy the killer of said chapter which is only 50% of what they could sell. So there is this always returning thing of OP perks being released until they get nerfed a few weeks/months in. Or at worst even years. The perks from Laurie and myers i believe are all in a pretty fair spot, DS isnt a full second chance no more, if you face alot of tunneling you can pair it with OTR and still have a strong counter. And STBFL is in a spot where it gives M1 killers the buff they desperately need while not being really neccessary on someone like nurse, blight etc. Imo this is a perfect perk, all though even so its situational, sometimes the obsession is the only one you are able to get or you wont just leave the obsession only for stbfl to work if you could get them sacrificed early on. Myers however, i always said he needs a rework. Playing him is almost as boring to me as playing against him. Either nothing happens whole match because he cant get his tier 3 up or its over in an instant because people have been feeding him. One way or the other his whole power depends on survivors. And stalking all the time in this fast paced game is just putting yourself up for a difficult task in the first place. His power just isnt very intuitive. And whenever a killer is carried by their add ons from being lowest tier you know the power is messed up.

[@TheKylzur]

Myers is one of my favorite killers. The stalking mechanic works i think and as any other killer you need to learn how to play hum. Meaning, sometimes is not bad to hot the survivor if you the oportunity instead of standing there for example. The ONLY thing i think they sould change is the limite of the power as you stated because is the ONLY caracter which gets to a point where his power stops completly. My sugestion would be simply a cooldown when a survivor is maxed out. After a minute for example you could stalk them again. Allowing you to jeep tour power and somehow not exploiting a single survivor.

[@ibim9667]

We had the old haddonfield since last month in mobile

[@Tundraviper41]

Haddonfield today has a few buildings with double window loop that is pretty much running inside and out of the house until the window is blocked by them vaulting it too much, bamboozle which i normally run usally counters these to an extent, but still difficult to mindgame those building tiles.

[@darkwolf9637]

13:40 perfect description of original freddy

[@viciousveras1648]

binding of kin is the worst chapter in relation to neglect and problems. 1-ALL perks at launch were bugged, with some of them bugging out from time to time (appraisal was bugged recently) or out right changed the effect of the perk because BHVR didn`t know how to fix the issue (Hoarder was supposed to decrease item rarity suurvivors found in chests) 2- Elodie was a dissapointment for the lore fanatics for her story being underwhelming (not as bad as haddie, but still bad) 3- The twins have SOOOOO many issues it's hard to just point them all out. Some bugs still happen that were from release (not being able to switch character), incentivizing a hated tactic (slugging) because of the inherit nature of the killer, easliy punished for using said tactic,swiching between Victor/Charlotte is clunky (just as some examples) 4- To show the level of neglect this chapter suffers: the chapter was released near christmas, so it was expected to get some cosmetics. How many cosmetics did the twins get? 0. The previous chapter (Blight) got 3 JUST for christmas. The next chapter (trickster) got cosmetics ON RELEASE. Only after years did the twins get some cosmetics I love the twins, but it's hard to make an argument to say it wasn't a travesty of a chapter and although Halloween might have more issues, they were always in the spotlight of "things needing to be addressed". Binding of kin is worst because BHVR simply doesn't care to fix it

[@CrimeNetArchive]

It's hilarious that STBFL went from the definition of speed to being the worst perk to use on M2 killers.

[@semi__colon]

man forgot about skull merchant, knight, twins, and legion lmao

[@Grizzlymoose0]

I don’t know why but I love playing Haddon Field

[@StopWhiningManguideCultists]

Same. It feels cool

[@michellerahe4853]

Halloween was definitely a game changer. I think it set dbd on a even bigger stage that people didn't even realize or heard of. But the old Haddonfield was so problematic 😂 DS ofc being a meta perk for years.

[@Syping]

I hope they will never remove Tombstone add-ons, it's one of the last things we have for casual giggling, removing or nerfing Tombstone would ruin one of the only funny elements we have in the game left. It can feel unfair at times, but it's not like we meet a Tombstone Myers every game

[@deletedaccount7]

I don't think it's that accurate to say to this day dying light doesn't have a clear place and no one seems to know what it's meant to be. Imo it's very clearly supposed to be a perk that gives a strong gen slowdown effect in exchange for removing healing slowdown (or at least making your healing slowdown much harder to do). The current dying light at full stacks is a pretty good slowdown... Only issue is that since the stacks are tied to hooks it gives it to you when you need it least, at the end of the game. On top of what you need being given too slowly and primarily when you don't need it, the downside it comes with is given to the survivors when they need it MOST, throughout the whole game whenever they need healing.

[@slsbaconbits4012]

I know old Haddonfield wasn't balanced, but I still love, miss, and want it back. The way I see it, we have 5 of Freddie's map, but we can't rework old Haddonfield to be better while still maintaining it's visual charm? To be clear, I'm saying to add it back, not to replace the new Haddonfield.

[@viciousveras1648]

the 5 preschool was a test BHVR was doing at the time. They decided to not continue down that path of the test, but kept the maps since, u know, they were already made.

[@lukejones9313]

nothing annoys me more than that stupid collision thing you experienced in red forest at the start of the video 💀💀

[@MonkeyBurrito]

Old haddonfield houses were actually so much better imo. Maybe I'm looking back with rose tinted glasses but I don't remember the houses themselves being bad. The new houses are so awful

[@Frank_West]

This was really fun and interesting. I hope you do more videos like this for the other chapters.

[@nickprice2165]

Another way Haddonfield sucks: the two generators that are just inside/right outside the front door of the darn white house.

[@waddlez7192]

1:25 lol

[@dandytaste.2138]

I'm a mikey main. Ride or die with my pastey boy and i absolutely love using play with your food and dying light on other killers and i got no issue getting my 4ks.

[@Gamerboi55511]

In my opinion the worst chapter Texas chainsaw massacre chapter bc he has no map no survivor and has same power as hillbilly in a different way

[@white_hound6811]

Why the hate? Just say you don't like horror movies bubba is love bubba is life

[@Gamerboi55511]

@@white_hound6811 you don't understand he literally like hillbilly but if he use it sideways toxic players use him for basement bubba sometimes. I do like horror movie and bubba but the dbd one so hard to counter him.

[@kkay000]

bubba is love bubba is life

[@white_hound6811]

@@Gamerboi55511 dude every survivor with atleast 2 braincells can loop bubba for 5 gens literally just stay away from dead zones and that's it windows are his biggest counter

[@alastortheworshipperofkhorne]

​@@Gamerboi55511honestly I have a better time against bubbas than Billy's as long your not caught out in the open for him to get a easy down you should be alright

[@BrianRocksNow]

I do *not* miss old Haddonfield. Who needs flashlights when the map is brighter than the sun!

[@viciousveras1648]

I think they made the map more bright at the time to stop the moonlight offerings from making the map pitch black

[@aracharsley7357]

Me learning some of my favorite maps are some of the most controversial:

[@Spyd77]

I hated this chapter on release. But not for any of the reasons on this video. I wasn't as invested in the game as I'm now, so I was more of a casual player, playing only survivor. The new mechanics, the new map, the insta-downs and tombstones made me leave the game for a long time. At that time getting a good build for your character was agonizingly slow, as you got a lot less bloodpoints per game, and the bloodweb was more expensive. My main survivor had a build that worked somewhat ok for the existing killers, but was basically useless for Myers. And as it was the new killer, 4 of every 5 games you got a Myers, so I was having a really bad time and not having fun at all, so I stopped playing.

[@terriblyterrified8742]

michael myers

[@Perfect0n]

Fully expected: "Chapter 1, Added the Nurse"

[@fuchsia__1200]

you didnt mention that object of obsession was even showing you stealth killers, such as mike in EW1, wraith in cloak, ghost face in nightstroud, crouching pigs and so on... its why devs added the "undetectable" status to all those kind of killers while using their stealth powers

[@ParmesanTries]

as a michael player, i dont see how people think hes a bad killer. i have a little over 300 hours in the game and i still consistently get all four survivors killed. in games when im paired with people way higher above my skill level i lose of course but thats not michaels fault. i find him super fun and its hard to counter a myers who knows what hes doing

[@ParmesanTries]

also no i dont use any tombstone addons or really anything iridescent ever

[@Gamerboi55511]

I got video idea you can do next video what if survivors finally escaped the realms

[@ThatWannabeMusician]

I think a good buff to Myers would be once a Survivor runs out of stalk, their aura is revealed when stalking in a 16 meter radius

[@StopWhiningManguideCultists]

yes

[@BrianAtkens]

More water than in my diploma work

[@Bad_Place_Alone]

DBD has been tormented for years with all sorts of problems, but it finally hit me laid out like this - all six Halloween perks have caused problems and the problems they’ve caused are all unique! We’ve come a long way though, and both gamers and devs learnt the hard way. The only thing missing from this video was that Nemesis/PWYF combo on Bubba a few years back. Anyone remember that? Oh! And old Vanity Mirror was hot garbage.

[@GEK0dev]

People thinking Myers is the worst killer in the game. Also Myers being able to instantly send people out of the trial💀 Yea that’s “bad” as in bad for the survivors

[@dirkechoes1377]

Now I know Laurie's perks are nigh impossible to balance without pissing at least some people off, but sole survivor? That's a stretch. It encourages selfish gameplay, does that make all of Yun Jin's perks problematic? I don't think so, it just makes them bad

[@bigboss4993]

I think they should just remove tier 1 and make him undetectable for the 1st 60 seconds of the match

[@ryanbennett2806]

Haddonfield is far from the most problematic Chapter in DBD history. Even if we exclude Chapters which made the game unplayable...Twins.... The endless corn is certainly a deal worse than any variant of Haddonfield. Even Backwater Swamp has had more notorious issues. I apologize for what turned into an essay below... In terms of killers who broke the game or caused outrage by something to-do with the Killer. Not map or survivors. Nurse (people will always complain about her) Freddy (more than once) Spirit (pre-3.4.0 there has never been a killer so easy to play who was so broken and strong. Chucky may rival her) Plague (broken status effect was uncommon and it took people a while to learn to play against her. Even to this day people struggle) Blight (most 'dummy easy' killer since Spirit, also the original version of Hex: Undying) Twins (their chapter literally broke the game for months and people quit in droves) Cenobite (was very strong in his first month since people were still learning his box spawn logic) Skull Merchant (start of the 3 gen era, overall poor chapter) Chucky (people are saying he may be the third S tier killer if they don't tone down his power alone, never mind add-ons) In terms of survivors who came along and broke the game for extended periods of time... Claudette (self-care memes and its reputation exist for a reason) Laurie Strode (the DS problem) David (the reign of Dead Hard which lasted through its 'first nerf') Kate (Boil Over brings new power to bully squads) Ash (literally a wide-ranging history of broken perks, both good and bad) Élodie (in addition to being part of the most bugged chapter in DBD history she busted our eardrums and brought Power Struggle which bully squads love to this day) Mikaela (remember CoH in its original form? Even after its first nerf it was incredibly OP and remains strong to this day) Ada (brought us Low Profile which selfish solo queue players run as a mandatory perk to find hatch) Gabriel (MFT) Nicolas Cage (people just use him to meme) Maps which have caused no lack of drama as a result of being broken or favoring one side too hard. I will NOT include maps that are 'killer dependent' to be killer sided. However, if one killer (say Trapper) is bad on a map I will not factor the one killer in.... Coldwind maps, heavily favor survivors from the day they entered the game. Map makes it hard to see survivors in the corn as they can break line of sight easily. In addition they were just very big maps and were the largest in the game and are still relative large. Crotus Prenn (Nurse) is another map that most survivors absolutely love due to its large size and line of sight blockers. Haddonfield (Halloween) was formerly a very survivor sided maps due to the number of infinite loops, but has since been fixed. Backwater Swamp (Hag) remains a fairly survivor sided map in most instances, so long as (like any map) you don't three gen yourself. Very large and many strong loops. Léry's Memorial (Doctor) is our first killer sided map. Relatively small and easy to patrol without needing line of sight on generators. Red Forest (Huntress). Mother's Dwelling was the largest map by a lot and may still be such to this day. Survivor sided due to strong loops and large size means the killer has to spend more time searching. Springwood (Freddy), despite being a square it is incredibly large and has a lot of space for killers to cover. Survivor sided. Yamaoka Estate (Spirit), though actually quite balanced the line of sight blockers are lacking and is one of the maps killers do not mind. Killer sided. Ormond (Legion), survivor sided. Very large, awful main building, strong loops. Survivor sided. Dead Dawg (Deathslinger) is killer sided. Easy to patrol and the main building can be avoided at no consequence to the killer. RPD (Nemesis). Survivor sided do to its massive size in its original format and is still relatively large in its current. Eyrie of Crows (Artist) originally incredibly survivor sided it was a stupid large map which they literally remove a third of to just balance it (previously survivor sided) Garden of Joy (Dredge) tries to compete for the largest map award and comes close. Certainly one of the favored survivor maps by a mile. The Shattered Square (Knight) is an awful map to patrol. Though not overly large the whole aesthetic of the map makes it hard to see scratch marks or survivors at a distance. Though the line of sight blockers are not the strongest there are some god loops. Survivors. So, my point? In terms of chapter 'features and balance' Halloween is no worse than Freddy, Spirit, or Nurse's chapters. Though the mechanics can swing one way or another, in each chapter I would argue that Freddy was the worse chapter by far in balance terms. While Laurie did bring us DS and Haddonfield...DS is ONE perk...Haddonfield is one map which some killers (in time) wouldn't struggle on as much as others). Even at release Nurse didn't care if she was on Haddonfield or Corn Central. Hell, she probably prefers Haddonfield. Myer's power, though 'strong' for the time was not fundamentally broken and people learnt to counter him quick and easy. Unlike Nurse, or Blight who remain strong, or with Spirit who they had to nerf so much that she still remains a solid mid A tier killer. Freddy gave us a map that was and is so awful than even high mobility killers loathe it. Though Quentin did not bring any perks worth remembering (pun) Freddy was so much of a problem. Starting with perks...though Fire Up was never meta it was a solid choice for the day it came out Remember Me, though not 'meta' was a very strong perk and a 'safe one' at the time as its first form gave you a whole 20 to 30 seconds at max. Until recently it was nerfed from 8-16 seconds. It saw enough use to be nerfed into the ground. Now we got Blood Warden. Next to NoEd it is the MUST endgame perk to this day. Now lets look at Freddy's power alone...how many times has it been reworked to where it felt like it could be a new killer? Too many. Just one patch (not hotfix) after release was the first time they had to gut Freddy (he was not even that strong beyond seeing survivors). He used to be able to see survivors when they left his terror radius (which was very small), used to suffer a movement penalty when putting survivors to sleep (which was the easiest way to tunnel and kill them since you had to do it manually), and survivors who were in the Dying State were still asleep. The very next patch they eased up on his movement penalty for putting people to sleep. At this point Freddy was dead in the water and no one touched him. After that he was gutted and only had QoL stuff (mostly bug fixes) until patch 3.1.0....OVER A YEAR AND A HALF LATER This is the first rework (3.1.0) where Freddy became stupid powerful. This was...Forever Freddy era. He becomes more like what we see today...except... After each time being woken up by a survivor made it take longer next time to wake them up. Dream pallets become a thing. Freddy can teleport to gens. From July 2019 (3.1.0) to May 2021 (4.7.0) Forever Freddy haunts people with.... Swing Chains which gave them a repair penalty while asleep (3% and then 2% PER survivor) Black Box made is so the obsession could not wake up from the Dream World Jump Rope, a 9% and then 4% Action Speed penalty to Repair, Healing, and Sabotage actions. Outdoor Rope, a 2% Action Speed penalty to Repair, Healing, and Sabotage actions. I think you get the idea. Freddy could give people up to a whopping 21% action penalty. None of there were even iri add-ons. Swinging chains was purple and jump rope was green.

[@Cainb23]

There’s a butt ton of reasons why killer mains are cringe but one thing that’s annoying about survivors and maybe even some killers too I’m not sure if they’re in this but just the fact that tools of torment and twins chapter were even on here. No one can put aside their bias for 2 seconds to realize voting for either of them is brain dead stupid because he asked which chapter is ALL around problematic and they still voted for the two who had a killer they didn’t like and that’s it. So dumb for real. Anyway I agree, I hate the insta-mori myers I’m glad people are finally talking about it because it’s never felt fair to me at all. Never used it when I played killer just like I didn’t camp or tunnel-doesn’t feel fair. Though I just don’t agree on some of the other things like haddonfield people talk about how some maps like that and garden were so broken yet in mid-mmr solo que it’s still not different than any other map-about a 20% escape rate. Feel like the game is balanced around SWF when 90% of us players are actually in solo que and rarely escape. Maybe once or twice a day. Just some thought great video but you already knew that. 👍🏼 Edit: maybe killer mains should be included in that because of hour of the witch being on here but don’t get me started on how stupid I think it was that CoH was whines about until it was completely ruined.

[@MURD3RWAVE]

Also when you killed a survivor they would tell the rest what perks the killer was running. I don't think they fixed that to after the Saw chapter. This game would give you PTSD compared to now. Every survivor ran DS. It felt more amazing when you 4ked 12 hooked a bully DS/sabo squads. Still the game is in a great place. Took 3 years off and I like playing again. People that get salty now would have hated this game for like the first 7 chapters.

[@petersfilmstudios24]

They need to get rid of the stalk points mechanic for myers so then his power isn't completely useless after a few uses.

[@shroudsshadow9998]

shit yall just bad wit myers😂 just run pwyf , corrupt and whatever for the other two perks run both red addons and get your 3 stacks of pwyf then just speed stalk til t3 then just mori everyone cuz it dont costs ur stacks of pwyf😂 i do this on mobile and ppl HATE IT SOO MUCH yeah they get 3 gens but thats it maybe 4 rarely 5 but i defin get 4 moris😂 , skill issue

[@simonparadis1773]

Sole survivor buff 1 dead : 20% repair speed when working alone. Reduce your aura reading by 40% 2 dead : 60% repair speed when working alone. Reduce your aura reading by 75% 3 dead : 150% repair speed when working alone, you open door faster by 6%, you grant the endurance effect for 80/120/180 sec. Your aura are no longer show. Decisive strike change. This perk can be only activate : - if you are the same survivor down by the killer two times in a row this perk activate. - if you are the last survivor and you were never hook. You stun the killer for 5 sec (no skill check). You grant endurance for 40/60/80 sec. *You can use it more than one time* Play with your food For each 15 seconds in a chase you gain one token for maximum of 8 tokens. Each token give you 2% speed. You lose 6/5/4 of your tokens when you down a survivor. After a hit, this perk deactivate for 15 sec.

[@StopWhiningManguideCultists]

180 seconds?! 0-0. Mabye that's a stretch

[@Renegade-re4vs]

Why should add-ons nerf you as a killer? They should take that design philosophy with toolboxes and medkits too. "You can instantly heal yourself by consuming the medkit! But only if you haven't used ANY charges, and you can't heal others anymore." Doesn't work very well in my opinion

[@ChillSteppin]

I’m a Myers main. But tbh I wish the Devs would show Bubba some love. Bring a new map and a new survivor for his chapter. He got cheated I feel. He is a major Killer icon and just got put on the back burner (no pun intended for the cannibal lol)

[@mechajason]

The reason I like playing as Michael so much is that in Maps like RPD and the O’Learys a hospital is that not only can you see them through the walls but unless you can hear him breathing, you never know where he is and for me it’s the scare factor because when I see my friends get scared by Michael, the rush of knowing that they’ve been scared gets to me and I feel like I power up every single time I use it

[@livingdeadbro]

Remember when there was that bug with Object of Obsession and Blood Pact that let survivor's permanently see the killer's aura? Big oof. They killswitched it after being in the game for months at least, but I don't think they ever noted the bugfix in the patch notes lol

[@dankdaze42069]

Not the chapter it's the treatment of survivors and the laziness of behavior and the picking and choosing of who's going to get screwed over the most to keep the player base distracted by what they're pulling🤦‍♂️

[@Cjsavvy1]

I’m surprised how Darkness Among Us chapter wasn’t even mentioned at the end. The other chapters had annoying aspects, or annoying metas, but the old Legion was so problematic that it almost killed the game and it wasn’t even close.

[@dankdaze42069]

The fact that addons on both sides feel useless or are just a joke that slaps you in the face with wasting blood points on it in the web the f****** blood web being a complete asinine unfun experience that forces you to use your blood points on stuff you don't want or never ever touch or use once in a game of years of playing it... Survivor's items that they can bring are kind of boring now and aren't unique like the killer's powers the gameplay is getting repetitive That's just a few things though

[@boomfaoce]

It's far from problematic in its current state. Currently I actually look at End Transmission and Alien Chapter and find those two chapters more problematic. End Transmission on survivor side and Alien on the killer side

[@Lezram1]

Worst map: 1-Garden of Joy 2-RPD 3-Haddonfield New Haddonfield don’t feel like a town but like a sims 1 save files

[@Omori_Bocchi]

I dont think tools of torment was problematic at all. Unfortunately skull merchant was just released at a time when the game was focused around 3 gens anyway. All killers were 3 genning at that time and slowdown perks were king. Skull merchant just Unfortunately took advantage of the style of play that was ruling the game at the time

[@the_space_wolf]

I think a good nerf for tombstone addons is "Survivors are no longer inflicted with the exposed status effect while you are in tier 3" it would be pretty simple to add and would make tombstone players have at least some counter play other than lockers

[@Icole-cv4px]

Honestly, I always felt like the Ghostface is a reimagined version of Michael Myers. The power is similar to the other, but done right.

[@iconicgriffon4214]

I tried to make a drinking game out of the amount of times you said problematic.. heres the thing, my local store ran out of booze by 4.38 into the vid o.o

[@nathanrudd2327]

This game would be long dead without licensed killers, some of the worst gameplay I’ve ever seen. It’s so shit that it would die anyway if it had any decent competition at all

[@Roadkill-dc3ho]

I always thought a cool add-on to replace one of the iridescents would be a mirror but this one allows you to still see through walls and stalk people at the same time the distance could use tweaking but compared to the current addons it could probably be balanced. 💀

[@Dennisses_]

"Halloween ist the most problematic chapter." In terms of balance for sure but can we talk about the skull merchant chapter and the three gen meta kicking off at that point???