13 Movement Optimizations You Must Implement in SSBM

[@Runningwritingreading]

Hax$ thank you, I will attempt and fail all of these on unranked and buster out as is my destiny

[@Joshy-]

go get em king

[@PERSONALEEMG]

thanks for the videos hax. Hope you are doing well and good. Much love Aziz

[@smokedem]

Glad someone with an audience is telling people about 1-frame edge cancels! Not enough people know the details. If I could give a piece of optimization advice in return: when recording a voiceover you can start by recording 10-15 seconds of your environment without talking, then use that audio to fill in gaps in your sentences where there would otherwise be jarring silence. This also makes ambient sounds like fan noise, mic hum, etc. far less noticeable. You can also use that baseline to filter out your background noise from the voiceover audio, but I don’t recommend doing that unless there’s a music track or something to mask the silence.

[@jop3249]

Great voice optimization tip

[@KaiiLikeHawaii]

a tip about the instant double jump - you don't NEED z-jump, because you can plink your thumb between x and y to do it consistently. this is how zain does NIL on dreamland

[@NightGhost1400]

or you could be like my and psychopathically use tap, X, and Y all for different reasons, sometimes for the same input. I can do this with tap and x.

[@CompetitiveDigimonRumbleArena2]

Interesting

[@KaiiLikeHawaii]

@@NightGhost1400 thing is, for this specific technique in the video, you can't use tap jump. i also use all three :P and for instant double jump i'm able to do it consistently with one finger double tapping Y lol, but that's very uncommon.

[@Miracle7Seven]

@@NightGhost1400fellow tap jump user lets go!

[@ln8496]

Priority linking isn’t in melee

[@awa0927]

Years of playing this game competitively and this 16min video taught me things I had no idea existed! Pure science.

[@Rouwiinator]

the concept of dashing forward as a comittment already blew my mind

[@racerking5901]

It's insane that there are so many optimization tricks in Melee which are just not documented online (in an easily accessible way). Thank you Hax for making videos like this. Lack of documentation is one the great tragedies of Melee imo.

[@donaldmcdonald3434]

the consequences of the age of discord

[@TheRealSorav]

@@donaldmcdonald3434 yeah this wasn't an issue in the smashboards era

[@whiten00b]

Holy shit that wavedash into dash info is huge, big ups.

[@redfern963]

This comeback needs to be studied for generations 🏆

[@slimmsing]

insane knowledge drops hax$ my man this is how you show you are changed, just stay positive and keep contributing to melee. also small note id love some soft background music goin on while you talk, video is a bit too quiet

[@marquistf1996]

I always wondered what I was doing wrong when I would wave dash past people as Luigi and try to turn around dash to get a grab. I ended up anywhere near where I thought I would and this video explained why! Wavedash was eating my forward momentum. Thank you Hax$. I'll offer some advice in return. Never think about your past, present, or future when your angry or depressed. You wont see any of it clearly and make yourself feel even worse. When one door closes another opens up if you just keep walking down the long corridor that is life.

[@Dojaxyz]

Much love Hax

[@isuckatnames6033]

The double trigger principle can also be applied to frame perfect standing grab (sort of). If you're a frame early with the Z press and keep it held, you'll end up just light shielding and likely get reversal'd. Pressing A on the next frame is insurance you'll perform a shieldgrab instead if that happens.

[@lorenzoricci4551]

I always did the dash back after the waveback by instinct because it rewarded so much and now I know there’s a real reason behind my every day melee movement… love these videos and this game so much

[@charliesazo1230]

The amount of dedication you’ve poured into this game and the scene is so beautiful. Youll always be one of my GOATs dude thank you

[@LHSMeleeClub]

ayeeee showcasing the "hax dash" at the start of the vid is hype.

[@ragM_]

God I missed this kind of videos, thank u Hax

[@LANBobYonson]

Double trigger air dodge is similar to another trick where you jc grab and up smash for back up so if you miss the jc grab timing you upsmash instead of jumping.

[@moraigna66]

JC grab is lenient enough that this shouldn't be necessary. You have all the jumpsquat frames to input the grab. Am I missing something?

[@zigafide]

holy flip new hax upload

[@Aresftfun]

dash forward blew my mind...explains so much

[@conaffectionery]

Timestamps for each optimisation 0:58 - Chapter 1: Dash Forward is a Commitment 1:45 - Chapter 2: Don't Run Against Wavedash Momentum 2:42 - Chapter 3: Double Dash Momentum Cancel 3:34 - Chapter 4: Smash Turn Wavedash Back 4:13 - Chapter 5: C-Stick Roll and Spotdodge from Dashdance 4:58 - Chapter 6: Frame-Perfect Dash JC Grab 6:00 - Chapter 7: Frame-Perfect Ledge-Canceled Aerial 6:56 - Chapter 8: Shield Stop 7:21 - Chapter 9: Shield Drop Fast Fall 7:46 - Chapter 10: Fast Fall on Frame 3 After Leaving Platform 8:23 - Chapter 11: Instant Double-Jump 9:28 - Chapter 12: Wavedash Forward Teeter Cancel Out-of-Shield 10:08 - Chapter 13: Double Trigger Airdodge 12:15 - Recap

[@KalebSDay]

You're a legend Hax$, thanks for sharing what you know!

[@jop3249]

The double trigger wavedash is actually so nice thanks for the reminder, the dash out of wavedash is really useful info as well 🎉 hope you are doing well hax thanks for the wisdom

[@lotus4879]

You're an inspiration to many, Hax. Good will prevail.

[@LukeYoungICXC]

Love you hax! Stay strong brother

[@Chaos_Lemon]

Hax channeling his inner asumsaus 🔥

[@tilnation14]

As someone who hasn't played in 14 years, and even then it was only against bots, I will *definitely* implement these things /s

[@ranko830]

you dont need z jump for instant double jump to side plats; you can either use x and y, or tap jump w/ x/y. great video!

[@Playeressence]

🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@BLACKSHADOW97531]

Great and informative video; keep up the good, useful posts and good behavior; I obviously don’t know if it’ll help, but I think it should and hope it does.

[@BaddaducciRavioli]

Bro are you on Metafy/do lessons? I feel like you’d make some heavy dough

[@mjul7003]

Thanks for the advice! As a Link main, I need all the movement knowledge I can get, I do NOT get much room for error in that regard.

[@roscoejenkins7759]

Very useful video, thank you Hax!

[@ocircles738]

Nice, there's certain subtle things here I had kind of intuited and was doing but had no idea why other than "it feels good somehow"

[@hylianmango8272]

That masculine urge to watch hax videos about techniques youll never be able to pull

[@drgzy3839]

I think you may have missed a pretty obscure one, by tilting the stick back slightly after a dash you can extend the frames youre in the dash, by using this you can dash farther away and then dash in the same direction basically through a foxtrot and then dash back regaining all of the momentum the extended dash wouldve lost ngl i just want to see this getting used more in melee, i originally figured it out on sonic in PM and quickly realized it works extremely well on marth, falcon, and fox sheik inparticular it allows for a longer dash dance instead of being stuck in place with micro dashes

[@ethanharmon1228]

Shield stopping has been absolutely essential to my micro-spacing as falcon

[@SoarviverForever]

Hax great video as always. And I'm sorry to do this to you, but at 13:15 "then wavedash backawrd*"

[@ProfCube]

Just how much faster is 10:00 compared to a drop shield turnaround grab?

[@ln8496]

I think you can ff frame 1 of running off a platform if you interrupt your jumpsquat while running off

[@ln8496]

Tested and im correct.

[@ssbmhax]

@@ln8496 would you mind elaborating? you can contact me through my Discord channel: discord.gg/j5uv98nw

[@ln8496]

Omg im wrong. I tested again with frame advance and it actually adds a frame to the ff lockout LOL. same with shield which i guess would be a detriment to yoshi parry runoffs. Essentially if you run off a platform in your jumpsquat animation i THOUGHT that you can ff faster because of an eye test and it felt faster. But in reality i think the jumpsquat animation of certain characters is similar to their first airborn frames. Needed frame advance to make sure. Super interesting that it adds to the ff lockout

[@orydos]

love your vids

[@trinalzz]

this man is a fking treasure trov of melee knowledge

[@carbon13]

I don't double trigger my triangle jump shines, but I still do them pretty consistently using a keyboard switch trigger. Having consistent actuation distance and feedback for your trigger inputs is probably about as useful as going for 2 inputs. Maybe not quite the same (I'm sure it also stacks), but it leaves less inconsistency to compensate for.

[@NightfoxNiko]

Re: "Need to use Z-Jump to instant double jump." Tap jump technically works, but may be awkward to learn. With claw grip, though, there is no reason why your index finger can't learn to hold X and press Y or hold Y and press X.

[@CalvinWiersum]

WAVEDASH PLINKING IS REAL

[@birrymays]

Been playing this game since 2001. I learned something new on the second tip. I imagine sheik/peach’s wavedash momentum has less of an impact than say fox or ICs

[@mrevan387]

It probably worth noting that with the teeter cancel, some characters are significantly safer like Sheik since her teeter animation puts like her entire body so far over the lip of the stage that its really hard for an opponent to clip you

[@Brain-washed2]

Great work as always man

[@longcat45]

thankyou hax, i'll be an even bigger menace to the unranked playerbase

[@RachaelFreeman-c6f]

Incredible video

[@AELabsHonkai]

Haha I would do Chapter 3 just because it looks cool while not knowing it was optimal

[@Tripleyou]

And here is an extension that some people will appreciate, but most will deem valueless. Because Wavedash back both hinders momentum forward and has really high velocity it makes for the generally best set-up move for Moonwalks - only beaten by horizontal wavelands or other actions that provides the char with even more backwards momentum during Wait.

[@RachaelFreeman-c6f]

So if i want to run in the direction i am facing, is it better to dash back twice to run in the direction i am facing?

[@JSins_]

bro i've been doing the double trigger airdodge because i couldn't do it with one, i had no idea it was an actual technique

[@matthanyfiedtano4175]

I’ve been a fan of melee for a while and barely knew any of these

[@majorstupidity3]

how do you do double trigger airdodge on boxx? whats the most ergonomic input?

[@crazyman-t1b]

if I'd known I was gonna get this into melee I wouldn't have played so much guitar hero. Double trigger airdodge got me sweatin

[@James-ek3mb]

Thanks for the upload hax :D

[@TylerClibbon]

double trigger airdodge is sick, ofc it locks you out of teching for 40 frames too

[@yannilibbes8219]

0:31 Neil Breen moment. just rerecord the intro and cut it in on any of the chapter breaks. there's multiple long pauses right after that dude, just cut there.

[@hounvs]

It was such a nothing issue that I had to listen to it twice to catch it. Just move on lmao

[@CaptainTid]

Great video, super interesting

[@kingkurtis]

In theory could a falco or falcon benefit from the extra 1-2 frames before sliding off on a down air edge cancel that pops the opposing player up to catch them in falling hitstun with a delayed air attack? With falco down air follow ups the logic tracks to me as I've noticed some slow slide offs especially on dreamland to catch side to top platform stuff has lead to follow ups I feel I couldn't have otherwise hit.

[@TyroKith]

Great video Hax$

[@MrGameguyC]

Keep it up man.

[@BladeQwert]

i am not double triggering wavedashes i am 30 dude wtf

[@agravy7657]

I'm 34 and thought fuck this

[@2Falchion]

Thanks for the education mr hax money

[@TheRandomThings23]

Note to self: Grind #5, #11, #12, #13

[@kneo12]

Great vid!

[@dylanbrown4981]

free hax

[@omgitsmario7]

Hope your doing well

[@twomtyler]

Banger vid tysm

[@CollynsTV]

shield stops kinda got me feeling a certain way🥵

[@MTEllipsis]

what does platform-fighter hybrid mean?..

[@KillerAndMX]

Is there any info or optimizations more related/aimed for Ness that you know? Top tiers aren't fun to play for me.

[@vgrepairs]

Hax Salty Suite Vs Leffen

[@DarkSage861]

A great and helpful video, unfortunately I play Kirby so I'm outta luck with this.

[@LANBobYonson]

You can use some of this bro

[@aero6104]

That frame-perfect ledge-cancelled aerial may just reward you with a 2-hit Kirby combo!

[@houndsolo1]

wd oos teeter tdrop is so hype on fod

[@ch.9041]

thanks hax

[@slenderMax28]

I can't even wavedash half the time

[@grobtongles]

hell yeah swag money

[@JokerTropical]

Epic vid

[@nathanmadox3364]

You're the greatest person to ever exist in the smash scene

[@33kappa1]

YES

[@AL-lh2ht]

This is a cult isn't it?

[@33kappa1]

@@AL-lh2ht be fr dude

[@arabmunny]

dude fuckin relax lmfaooooooo he won’t let u fuck

[@crisx0573]

Fact

[@WildlandsGG]

GG TY

[@mlalbaitero]

Can't you just claw, or use the analog stick, you don't need z jump

[@LANBobYonson]

This comment on a Hax video lol. I’m not sure why but claw can hurt peoples fingers/hands and z jump is more ergonomic and tap jump requires moving a stick compared to just clicking a button.

[@Phantom_madman]

A man who contributes to the melee scene this much must be a celebrated member right? right…

[@AL-lh2ht]

After inciting harassment againt many members of the community he burned about every bridge he had.

[@TheRealSorav]

@@AL-lh2ht Without fail I can find you posting a new comment on Hax's channel every other day. You're so obsessed it's kind of funny

[@AL-lh2ht]

⁠@@TheRealSorav you’re upset I made a comment…like you are doing right now. It’s just unhinged

[@TheRealSorav]

​@@AL-lh2htThose buzzwords don't mean anything. I'm just calling out the fact that you're a person full of hate pretending to care about this man. I don't stand idley by while there is evil around. That's the only reason I'm pushing back on your bullshit

[@HellCat_Kenny]

>unhinged he says while hate spamming a man who made a sui attempt You're a massive 🚬​@@AL-lh2ht

[@joeykeilholz925]

♥️ Hax moneyyyyyyy

[@SaiyanX5]

You've honestly been one of the best/most informative melee content creators over the years. It's a shame people took your shit way overboard.

[@dylanrcoh]

Awesome, glad to see you focusing on producing content and doing the best with where you are currently at, rather than obsessively making apology videos and going over what happened. Stay positive and act in a healthy way and you'll get to go back eventually. I am bipolar and have ruined friendships in the past, and over time I was able to fix the ones that mattered. Good luck

[@AL-lh2ht]

Please don’t give false hope. The perma ban was explicitly permanent. Hax should be moving on to the next stage of his life, not obsessing about smash.

[@TheRealSorav]

​@@AL-lh2ht At this point you're Hax's biggest fan with how much you're on his dick every single video

[@lotgxj9215]

Nice

[@bobxplosion]

Niceee

[@NAND512]

hype

[@showsteez]

Shout out to mario kart double dash

[@SkimoStories]

in this video: nearly impossible optimizations that have such a marginal impact on your gameplay that the entire video is basically worthless beyond understanding mechanical interactions

[@DzlDizzleDzl]

For 11, you said “x then up” but wrote “up then x”

[@lorenzoricci4551]

Ok, wtf is a smash turn

[@hiX0N]

its when you dash backwards while in a dash, and for 1 frame you are turned around and can let go but still be standing still. When you pivot you are using the smash turn.

[@SufferDYT]

#12 is missing the point. The mechanic you should be implementing is teeter cancelling itself, not just this one particular usage of it. Teeter is game changing and no one talks about it. iykyk

[@cdntl]

This video would be way more useful with chapters / timestamps, so why not take the few minutes to do it?

[@irisofrosebloom8741]

the world of hax' melee is so dead and dry

[@LeetTrance]

3:10 aNd tHeN sUbTrAcTiOn cAlCuLaTiOnS OcCuR On tHiS fRaMe aS wEll🤓

[@nickb8755]

Hax$ for president 2028

[@JonnyfromElma]

Melee players finally discover plinking after 15yrs