B&T MBT Stock Rant

[@MustafaElCamino]

I just had this happen, after waiting for the Form1 to get approval. Thank you for the (long winded) explanation. eta: Email them and they will send you a pin. But, good on 2A for putting this info out there and having a solution.

[@Brian-ry2ij]

my apc 9 pro from 3-4 years ago has a metal end plate. It uses the threaded hinge pin. I wound up installing an AR stock adapter on the end regardless when I got my form 1. Not a fan of the MBT stock. I have the older 3 position collapsible B&T stock on my SP5. It is far easier to use/deploy than the MBT.

[@0mfgno]

Just found your website through this video, awesome stuff! I've got some of the narrow jet funnels on the way. I've got the telescoping stock for the apc45, how does the mbt compare? I'd imagine it's much more ergonomic, just bulkier when folded.

[@I2AT]

MBT is so so. A3 tactical is coming out with what looks to be a better option.

[@0mfgno]

@I2AT thanks for the reply, I'll keep my eyes out!

[@derrleicaguy]

Travis, I spoke with you about this a week or so ago about this. Can't wait for you to manufacture these press fit hinge pins. I went to order a press fit online and they wanted $20. I grumbled and said alright and started to check out. Than they get to the shipping and want $18.50 to FedEx this. Are they insane? Hard no, and I closed the tab. UFB. I'm going to call their customer service and complain. They should ship all APC 9 owners a free hinge pin.

[@jbcustom3745]

lets get a video on the MBT brace, its for a tailhook?

[@I2AT]

H oh there, yes indeed the MBT brace will take a mod 1c/mod1 brace adapter.

[@troyelder56]

Just got the JAKL version today from PSA comes with alloy adapter plate installed on the stock, and install hardware for $200 plus tax and shipping. Not bad, I’ve paid as much for a SB tact braces. Im so glad im not the only one pissed about the hinge deformation first time i unfolded the stock i could feel their polymer smooshing, i then realized what if i lift up on it, and that alleviated the problem. Either their polymer sucks it shouldn’t squish like that, they’re using too soft a polymer, or they cut corners from the original design and didn’t make the hinges out of steel like they should have been! I’d also like to not have to use two hands to change the length of the stock maybe I’m spoiled for usa stocks? Honestly i think i might return it.. just kinda disappointed.

[@I2AT]

@@troyelder56 that’s a steal of a price because B&T charges dealers more than what PSA is selling to the consumer for….

[@2ANinja]

I also had the same issue with the jakl stock. I made a video about it

[@tedbaxter5234]

Why would a serious firearm manufacturer make a stock that takes two hands to adjust? Why would they design it to flop around when folded? Why would the use a design and materials that deform and shred with normal use? B&T is a top notch manufacturer, no doubt and I love them. I have a pistol caliber MBT setup and one for the APC308. I’m not selling them but this design has three strikes against them. I prefer the telescoping stocks: more compact and easy to deploy and adjust - though it’s not as comfortable. Anyhow considering the quality of the guns, I don’t know why the MBT ever made it to the consumer, it is not ready for Prime Time. Thank you for the video and the details about the types of hinge pins!

[@I2AT]

Good points on your part. Hx on the history of the stock; B&at was going to use the ACR but reportedly Magpul dicountinued the ACR causing B&T to make the MBT.

[@troyelder56]

Biggest mistake magpul ever made was discontinuing the ACR ffs just get new molds made 😅

[@mattbrown6235]

Deformed my polymer the very first time I pulled it open. They should put a warning on it or something. So dumb.

[@ChristianGustafson]

Hinge pin tax stamp $200.

[@I2AT]

Got that right haha

[@TheCamaro5]

they can send the pin in the mail. No need for shipping fees.

[@Tact-Mack0397]

Perfect video. ! I just talked to you earlier this week, about that apc223 you’ve got Will be ordering that from you soon & my mbt brace for my apc9 Take it easy sir thanks for fixing this issue !

[@I2AT]

Thanks for watching and chat soon!

[@Heywoodthepeckerwood]

I thought the same, then I realized I was putting it in incorrectly. The big end goes in first. 😊

[@raphaelhanna8345]

So what exactly causes the polymer feed ramps to deform?

[@raphaelhanna8345]

I'm curious to know what could be done to fix the polymer hinges of the MBT stock? Should it be made from higher quality polymer?

[@I2AT]

@@raphaelhanna8345 yes. Either more durable polymer or make the face of the stock/brace host that interfaces with the endcap out of metal.

[@raphaelhanna8345]

@@I2AT Which would you recommend? Making the hinges out of metal? Or making the hinges out of higher quality polymer?

[@I2AT]

Metal

[@raphaelhanna8345]

@@I2AT Wouldn't that make it heavier?

[@I2AT]

@@raphaelhanna8345 aluminum would hold up.

[@jebholt]

If I purchased the complete stick with adapter with the endcap, can you use the metal endcap on an APC9? When will your pin and spring be available?

[@djsity]

So true! I recently purchased this stock from Dan Haga (sorry, next time I'll go to yall cuz your vidoes rock and have helped me a bunch) and luckily he included the correct pin. He has to do this himself because B&T doesn't include it (like you said). I would have been really pissed if the B&T factory stock that I bought for my B&T factory gun didn't fit. I also find it interesting that of the two pins that the stocks need, they choose to include the pin for the LEAST popular models (APC10 and .308) smh. I have to assume this is a B&T USA fuck up cuz the folks in Switzerland are too smart for this nonsense. EDIT: I just emailed them expressing how ridiculous this is. Let's see if I get a reply.

[@djsity]

Here's the reply from B&T. Glad to see they're apparently trying to fix this issue. "Thank you for reaching back out. We have had internal discussions in regards to the MBT stock only having the screw and not the pin. My management staff has informed me that when the MBT stocks arrive from Switzerland they come with only the screw pin. What we decided to do moving forward is bundle the stocks with both the screw pin and the hinge pin. Now on the BT Parts website customers will see the SKU as BT-361673-KIT where the KIT portion signifies to us internally that we bundle the stocks now here in house with both the screw and the pin. If you are in need of the MBT pin I can generate a warranty sales order for the MBT pin and send it your way."

[@jakemerica]

Crazy. B&T needs to do better.

[@I2AT]

Yeah man….

[@TheEngineerShooter]

Just ordered my MBT stock directly from there and it came with that same threaded torx bolt. Useless just like you mentioned. I think they are swapping it out for me. I dont think there is a safety issue with the polymer end cap. If that was the case B&T would be obligated to issue a recal or notice to switch to the metal if it was safety related.

[@I2AT]

Perhaps but I was told directly in an email from B&T the metal endcaps are for apc10/308. It’s nuts how much money B&T is loosing in customer service issues….

[@TheEngineerShooter]

Rifle caliber only would make more sense@@I2AT

[@I2AT]

BT-361743 Specific APC10 alloy endcap.

[@patchesohoolihan9203]

My APC9k has a polymer end cap with a screw hinge pin

[@I2AT]

You have the “legacy” endcap. It’s a good one. Make sure to keep it.

[@anthonytrahan7651]

thanks for the info@@I2AT

[@Cyber_Productions1998]

Seems like what they want the consumer to do is buy the alloy mbt stock adapter with buffer & the mbt stock. It states this on the adapter on the B&T site. This is the MBT adapter with hydraulic buffer for APC pistol calibers. THIS IS JUST THE ADAPTER. STOCK NOT INCLUDED. Depending on the age of your APC it may not have the updated MBT adapter....

[@mobilegamersunite]

I would want a shock absorber stock for a 308 like this.

[@petern9928]

sold out :(

[@I2AT]

Sold out of which one?

[@petern9928]

@@I2AT Hinge pin and spring

[@I2AT]

@@petern9928 ah yes. We do have the springs and one hinge pin that we manufactured. If you want it it’s yours. We’re waiting on BT to ship more pins.

[@petern9928]

@@I2AT website says its out of stock, I recently got my SBR tax stamp. I just recently got the alloy MBT stock hopefully I wont need it.

[@mobilegamersunite]

SUB just for you making those pins 📌