Liberator Assault Group - Detachment Deep Dive (Codex: Blood Angels)

[@Syst3m04]

Speed of the Primarch Jon “they have to respect it until it’s triggered” Me: 1st turn baiting a charge from a 60 point unit “surprise MFer!”

[@alexandermacphearson4379]

I hadn’t considered a “Fall Back & Charge” on a Brutalis Dreadnaught with its “Brutalis Charge” causing more Mortal Wounds in addition to getting its +1A and +2S for charging

[@ba_commander]

Would be a good use of CP!

[@kosherbeefcake]

Really squeezes some extra use out of the Brutalis’ considerable points!

[@deltacharlie1760]

Sons of sanguinius 2. A genuine upgrade, I believe. Time will tell!

[@HighlandPhoenix]

I wish Outriders will get a Sergeant with weapon Options… Glaring since GW only released Chaplain on bike so far character wise…

[@archon1259]

patiently waiting for codex delivery

[@ba_commander]

You and me both!

[@alexandermacphearson4379]

Damn that’s a comprehensive video. Lots of awesome combos. Lots of directions for army building to go.

[@HighlandPhoenix]

Solid pre Codex delivery video BAC!

[@harryk9141]

If you used heroic intervention and then were charged and used savage echoes you could have +2 attacks and +3 strength.

[@ba_commander]

I guess, but this won’t come off often!

[@StarkMaximum]

This video in particular makes me so excited to play Blood Angels. The plays seem exciting, the rules seem thematic, and they feel like a natural fit with my own personal chapter's lore (I don't feel like I have to twist myself into a pretzel justifying why I'm taking "the good units" because the codex seems to spread the quality out so it's not all just one kind of thing). There seems like there's a lot of variety in the army right now and that seems really exciting, especially since my other army is Votann so I need my other army to be very malleable and varied because as of right now a Votann list is basically more than half the index so they all look the same. Actually modelling is kind of tough for me but BA Commander's enthusiasm and the positive vibes on the codex really push me to try so I can have a Blood Angels army of my very own.

[@ba_commander]

Thanks for the lovely comment! I hope you can find the motivation to make a sick and varied BA army!

[@johnsontom1]

Thank you for the time you put into the videos to help make us plebs better. All the love brother

[@jamesbravo1931]

So many things to test once the codex drops! Can't wait for it!

[@MrUdarr]

Great Video keep it up, now i know a more about on what kind of Vehicles i should Buy (for Transport in first place) and other Units ! a quick sidenote on the Astorath+DC Combo, you do not drop to 0OC with his Unit because Astorath himself has the Chaplain Keyword so the Unit still has OC and can Fall Back. PS : I Consider Buying an Astorath T-Shirt because it looks Awesome !!

[@ba_commander]

I will need to make an Astorath T-Shirt then!

[@rambo9691]

More I think about it, more I wish they let us take the priest with blade guard. It would have been so strong and fun.

[@phillipalexander220]

Maybe they will make a change to the sang priest when literally no one ever runs him

[@harrisonsaynor8568]

Probably be too strong, same as meganobz or wraiths

[@danielkearl7392]

@@harrisonsaynor8568 i agree in liberator assault group or would be +1 attack +2 strength then with the priest +1 ap. That would be a lot.

[@frogger15]

What’s this “fun” you speak of

[@Optionvideo209]

The more I read blood angels comments the more obvious it becomes they don't know just how good they have it. Try being a dark angel player... go read that codex lol

[@Sanguinius2605]

Awesome video, John! Love your tips and examples, really helpful :)

[@ba_commander]

Glad to hear it!

[@Thedagda801]

Great stuff. Going to follow your advice.

[@maban1]

Great video. One thing I would mention is that when disembarking from a transport all models must be set up wholly within 3" not 3" away from the transport. Just means you can't count 3" from a transport when calculating threat range. Love the videos. Keep up the great content.

[@ba_commander]

@@maban1 why not. Place the front model 2.99’’ away and it’s totally valid.

[@maban1]

@ba_commander I understand what your saying. Your saying that the outside edge of the model that is disembarking from the transport is 3" away from the transport if I understand you right. For some silly reason I thought your calculations were based off the rear of the model 3" away from the transport. That makes sense now. Thank you.

[@scotbutler1618]

Great video John. Appreciate it.

[@ba_commander]

You bet!

[@2in_2out]

Awesome video as always John

[@ba_commander]

Thanks for watching!

[@clintbarger8990]

I agree with your overview of the new codex. Great Video.

[@WildAce001]

So ive been wracking my brain all night on a combo that sounds fun to me, although maybe too expensive? 10 Sternguard Veterans 180 points + Sanguinary Priest 50 points in the book? + Lieutenant 65 points (295) The Sanguinary Priest pretty much upgrades the Sternguards close combat weapons into chain swords and on the charge in LAG its 5 Attacks Strength 6, AP -1, Damage 1, and Lethal hits with the Lieutenant on each Sternguard So you get: Sternguard 45 Attacks, BS 3+, S6, AP -1, D1 (close combat weapon) Sternguard Sargent 5 Attack, BS 3+, S10, AP -3, D2 (powerfist) Sanguinary Priest 6 Attacks, BS 3+, S6, AP -2, D1 (chainsword) Lieutenant 5 Attacks, BS 2+, S10, AP -3. D2 (powerfist) With lethal hits And for ranged assuming within 12" because you would be shooting before charging Sternguard 24 Attacks, BS 3+, S4, AP -1, D1 Dev Wounds Sternguard Heavies 6 Attack, BS 4+, S5, AP -1, D2 Dev Wounds Sanguinary Priest 1 Attacks, BS 3+, S5, AP -1, D2 Lieutenant 2 Attacks, BS 2+, S4, AP -1. D2 (or swap for plasma pistol?) With lethal hits Priest also gives the unit FNP 5+ Lieutenant also gives built in Fallback shoot and charge so if you are in engagement range you can fall back unload all the guns and charge back in to take advantage of the detachment rule again 1 unit in a full turn is putting out 94 attacks if you can shoot and then successfully charge The unit can kill a nightbringer in a single turn of shooting and combat i think.

[@RSBurgener]

I do really like this. I have avoided buying Sternguard due to needing melee troops. I like the models, and since they CAN be made to perform in melee, I am going to keep them in mind.

[@CDSaints]

I was thinking the same thing. The stern guard are priced to move, and with LAG bonuses they are very flexible.

[@dckottca]

Aaaand, it all fits in a repulsor, pretty strong flank threat

[@WildAce001]

@@dckottca yeah I was thinking could make use of Repulsor or it's anti charge mechanic if you are close enough and something charges the sternguard you just get back in the Repulsor

[@harrumphreys4841]

@@WildAce001 what do you think about Sanguinary Priest with Hellblasters? Overcharging plasma and hazardous rolls mitigated by 5+FNP

[@EejitInEspana]

Dante+6 sang with Reiver squad support is where it's at!!

[@ReedCarter-sd8jz]

For the algorithm, and for Sanginius!!

[@HighlandPhoenix]

Chaplain with BGV sounds nice…for solid Objective play!

[@tripwire9705]

Thanks John!

[@MariusGage]

I cannot get over how good that blood angels captain is. 75 points is insane. I don’t know why any space marine player would want to use Gladius even if they don’t have blood angels models.

[@HighlandPhoenix]

Nice notable units section at the end…! Shame there isn’t more than one Speed of the Primarch, eh!? 😅

[@DrAculushka]

Awesome stuff!!

[@ba_commander]

Thanks!

[@RockerBoy20045]

Idea for a video maybe? I'd like to know the best way to build the new BA box that's coming out next week. I've played BA for a few years but mostly went with terminators, bladeguard and shooty units.. So I actually have zero assault intercessors, death company marines or jump pack intercessors/jump pack DC. I'm very curious what would be a good way to build those considering each detachment.

[@xsomeo7371]

First, very nice video! Im very new to 40k and wanted to know is there a decklist from you for this detachement like in the last detachement video you posted? If yes i would love to know where i can find it! Looking forward to build my first army and joining the BA community :)

[@ba_commander]

@@xsomeo7371 sorry what exactly do you mean by deck list? Welcome to the community, my friend.

[@xsomeo7371]

@@ba_commandersorry my bad😅 Meant an army list :) But sorry i completly missed the „how to start BA in 2024“ video my bad, thank you so much for your videos they are helping me so much out!

[@IscariottActual]

Im so hype for this codex. I have thoughts on lag and the other 2

[@daviddenys4620]

we have a so nice detachement now !!

[@JohnnyCoyote]

I was taking 5 Terminators + Captain for coolness reasons alone, but now with Speed of the Primarch and free Savage Echoes on the Captain they are a legit hard to remove unit ❤

[@Mikepaintsred]

(Pre-watch) You werent kidding the other day about the size of this video :D

[@Raiderman2023]

I'm really liking that repulsor with SG idea. Going to have to try that out. Might just go transport heavy with 2 impulsors, repulsor and double vindicators (I love vindicators).

[@glb190]

I plan to try out a Stormraven Gunship loaded up with the BA Captain + Sang Priest + AI death blob, and a Brutalis Dread. About the same cost as an LRR but the insane movement, fairly durable plus getting a Brut up the board for next turn Disembark could be interesting.

[@nicboi9803]

Still Sons of Sanguinius in my heart

[@HighlandPhoenix]

Mephiston remaining with D3 damage is a sad miss by GW, if they wanted us to use him as lone op beat stick then they should have committed and made him Dam 3 (or at least Dam 2)…

[@johnaxios6335]

Considering Helbrecht, Calgar, Lysander, Kantor, and Adrax all got Dam 3 weapons, they could have given our big scary vampire that as well.

[@Chasemcloud5745]

I’m looking forward to stacking rage fuelled warrior with the captains finest hour ability with oath of moment and well and the. Dropping the captains free strat to give lance

[@asaucedude]

Captain with Bladeguard and BG Ancient could be something. Captain gives Red Rampage for free, select Lance and Lethal Hits, OC 0 but BG ancient adds OC.

[@HighlandPhoenix]

Shame the Ancient can’t go with the Chaplain in the BGV…😢

[@ba_commander]

Finally a use for the Ancient?

[@miguelperez9906]

League of Angry Gentlemen is looking good gonna have so many chaplins that you’re think we were black Templars .

[@snafuryuzaku-cf3qp]

If I'm not mistaken, the restrictions for Heroic Intervention don't allow you to get charged bonuses?

[@chriswinsryg2336]

@snafuryuzaku-cf3qp The "charge bonus" refers to a specific rule, being fights first. The +1A and +2S triggers if you made a "charge move this turn" which heroic intervention provides.

[@ba_commander]

Thanks for answering chris!

[@johnaxios6335]

I would love to do Dante + SG, but as always it all comes down to the points. Cause if SG are so expensive that I won't want to take two and if Dante remains 120/130 points, then I'm unfortunately going to go for the Captain to give him SPEED!

[@dr.frankenstrein5586]

The other even better bit about the Vindicator is it doesn't need to fall back and shoot. It's siege shield allows it to shoot into combat and out of combat at no penalty to Hit. So it actually saves your CP there.

[@ba_commander]

Sometimes you do still want to fall back and shoot, so another unit can shoot / deal with the unit that had the Vindicator in combat.

[@jonathanhacker8225]

Thanks

[@HighlandPhoenix]

To make the BA Capt and Ass Int in Impulsor unit more robust there could be a place for a Sanguinary Priest, but I am not sure it’s worth the additional Priest cost… any benefit in having a second enhancement in the unit? 🤔

[@ba_commander]

What enhancement would you give the priest?

[@HighlandPhoenix]

@@ba_commander That was my question really...as that would be even more points on top of the additional Priest...not sure if worth it...

[@nelkael8974]

Hi John, why not take the Relic weapon on the rage fueled captain? You have 1 Attack less, but better AP ?

[@ba_commander]

I think I would take that, my luck when fishing for Dev wounds seems to be bad.

[@HighlandPhoenix]

Perhaps with the BA Captain it is worth taking with the Relic Weapon to get an extra Str and AP, albeit 1 less Att over the MC Chainsword…for throughout game use… 🤔

[@ba_commander]

Probably, unless you expect him to die on the charge and you just want MAXIMUM dev wounds.

[@Wargsbane]

Cheers John, it's not worth 2 cp but I did notice you can get an extra attack and lethals using 2 different stats when you get charged, without taking battleshock. Lots for us to play with isn't there

[@ba_commander]

Certainly is!!!

[@theta1672]

I think I like using a captain with fights first enhancements, and use 0CP advance and charge, because with that you can either go for enemies who you don't need the Lance, or use 1CP for Lance on heavier targets, and still have the option of fighting first if you need it. You can also use it to charge something like a warlord/character (say Magnus the Red) and when it's his turn you can activate Speed of the Primarch and fight first.

[@ba_commander]

Just remember units that charged the enemy in your turn will fight before the enemy in their turn if there were no charges.

[@theta1672]

@@ba_commander Yea, I was thinking about if you kill the enemy unit and then get charged yourself, but didn't specify it.

[@MichaelWilliamsMilke]

This is a lot at 390 points, but hear me out.. Cptn in gravis & apothecary biologis leading a 6-man aggressor squad. On a charge, it's 24 power fists from aggressors at Str 10 AP -2. And 7 more power fists (hitting on 2+) from captain. All of this with lethal hits. Strat reserves. Pop in with a rapid ingress. And use the captain's discount strat for Relentless Assault. After a unit is killed, biologis's OC goes up to 9.

[@MichaelWilliamsMilke]

For even more fun, throw in two 3-man inceptor units with meteoric descent to cause complete chaos near your aggressors while this is going on.

[@robjackson967]

Icon of the angle could have play if targeted at elite infantry? Either they stay in combat & fight second or lose a third (or even half) of the unit to fall back. Situational but if lined up could definitely be worth 10 points.

[@cedrics2162]

I like the Repulsor Combo Switch the Repulsor with a Redeemer

[@neilstackhouse4488]

Not gonna lie, the fact that San Guard can take both effects from stratagems and still have OC is really making me think that 50 points per model cost might actually be fair!

[@NickelKang]

I'm curious. If I get challenged on this... Is this called out anywhere in the rules? Or is it implied that the effects of the banner still work when battle shocked? I had no idea this was a thing but I like it

[@neilstackhouse4488]

@NickelKang it's a bit of an order of operations thing. The way it works is Sanguinary Guard have an OC of 1, and with the banner, it becomes OC 1+1. Battle shock sets the units base OC to 0, and they can't be the target of stratagems until your next command phase. So for Sanguinary Guard with the banner, it's not 2 being set to 0. It's 1+1 becoming 0+1. They still can't be the target of stratagems, though, which means you can't armor of contempt them to keep them alive in your opponents turn. So there's still a tradeoff/reason you should be careful.

[@NickelKang]

@@neilstackhouse4488 Thanks for the reply! I should have worded differently... The OC halfing makes sense. I'm more curious about being challenged regarding if the OC banner effect would also become null when battle shocked. I couldn't find this in any rules or I'm not looking in the correct places... More likely this is due to my lack of knowledge on the basics. 😂. But I feel like this is something I would be challenged on in my gaming circles. That battle shocked means no OC regardless of any unit abilities unless spelled out somewhere otherwise. Forgive my ignorance here... Learning

[@neilstackhouse4488]

@NickelKang no worries, man! I'm kinda new myself, so I get wanting to make sure you're playing correctly. I think if you want to be able to cite some sources if you get challenged on it, the best one would probably be to go to the battle shock rule itself. The way it's written in the core rules is "While a unit is battle-shocked: The Objective Control characteristic of all its models is 0. If it falls back, you must make a desperate escape test for every model in that unit. Its controlling player cannot use stratagems to effect that unit." So that's why it becomes 0+1, instead of just 0. "Objective Control characteristic" refers to the number in the units stat line. If they wanted it to be the other way, the rule would probably have been worded something like "the unit can not control objectives," or something like that.

[@NickelKang]

​@@neilstackhouse4488Ah, yeah that makes sense. Or I suppose it would specifically call out something regarding OC from abilities if they wanted to be more specific. Thanks for the info!

[@MRHanz97]

Combo 4 looks great, but what wounds would BGV take on the charge before we get to fight back? Does it remain worth it after the damage has been taken?

[@ba_commander]

If you have fight first, why would you take wounds before your enemy?

[@MRHanz97]

@@ba_commander oh sorry, is it assuming use of the enhancement? I may have missed that, my bad!

[@MRHanz97]

​@@ba_commander it's literally the first 3 words of the combo, I apologise 😅

[@jioosting]

Are you gonna do a new Unit Tier list with the 3 Grots? Those are always fun videos

[@ba_commander]

Once we have MFM points I’ll do a tier list.

[@y-vinzz]

I kinda like the idea of the Vindicator Fallback, shoot, charge, tank shock

[@ba_commander]

Fallback and shoot and charge will battle shock it though. So no tank shock.

[@y-vinzz]

@@ba_commander Good point, daym. Although, a Chaplain could still do his thing!

[@IrishHandGren8]

I know this is points heavy BUT since they took away Seth this is my foot blender pairings ive been running. Replacing Seth with a CPT. Land Raider: Cpt,LT, BGV. Lt has Power Fist $ mc Power weapon. Repulsor: Gravis Cpt, 6 flame Aggressors. It worked really well in the old SoS so shld do better in LAG

[@金閃閃的忠誠怪]

What I am looking at still the fight first enhancement and fight from death, that's all you need in the new meta.

[@ba_commander]

Well we don't have a ton of fight on death now.

[@chrisselke193]

Hi. I didn't think you could charge from a repulsor. Has that been changed at some point? I get it, setup for next turn. Thanks

[@ba_commander]

As long as the repulsor hasnt moved, you can disembark and charge.

[@chrisselke193]

Thanks! Great video ​@@ba_commander

[@michaelgrebe7594]

For combo 5: If you have 40 points to spare you could exchange the Repulsor with a Land Raider Crusader for an additional 12’’ of threat range for Dante and his bodyguards.

[@ba_commander]

The range is the same, if you disembark before the Repulsor has moved.

[@michaelgrebe7594]

@@ba_commander Yeah you’re right. I somehow assumed you can move after disembarking a unit from the Land Raider but it just can make a charge. You only would benefit from its ability if you don’t put jump pack infantry in it. Thanks for the clarification.

[@fybso3057]

Doesn't the red thirst mechanic in the strategems synergize well with death company thats not lead by chaplains, since they already have all the negatives of being battleshocked?

[@ba_commander]

True, but I dislike troops with OC 0.

[@d.t.m8393]

I think you actually shorted yourself 4 powerfist attacks in the DC slide(should be 12 attacks instead of 8, which means 10.66 hits not 7). So even more damage! 🤺 But otherwise good job. Here's a comment for the comment god. 🙏🤖

[@ba_commander]

Do you think the desk company with the Dev wounds is a solid unit?

[@d.t.m8393]

@@ba_commander It will all depend on points of course, but I think it's a great unit. 👍

[@thedias4094]

The rules from Heroic Intervention says under restricitions that you don't get any charge bonus this turn. Doesn't that deactivate the red thirst rule?

[@ba_commander]

The charge bonus is the fight first, this was recently changed in one of the balance dataslate.

[@isaacfoley6728]

Speed of the primarch is insanely strong Take a captain for the full combo with 6 sang guard can kill several Terminators and with some luck angron with the full combo of you dip into red thirst

[@ba_commander]

I tried the blade guard Chaplin combo last week which speed of the Primmarch and it was pretty insane.

[@cedrics2162]

10 Assault Intercessors on a Marker full Hit and wound rerolls nice.

[@Morganize82]

BA Commander, I really would like to keep relying on DC with JP. What do you think of the next DC Captain with JP? I also like to understand if you foresee Dante again within a competitive list, I'm personally not convinced by cost and survivability

[@ba_commander]

I think I’ll continue to run Dante in my competitive list, I think he’s good. My issue with the Captain for DC is the lack of OC.

[@rogerboecher9418]

How do you get the benefit of the charge with heroic i was told you get no charge bonuses?

[@ba_commander]

Charge bonus is the first fights... you still get your +1a and 2s!

[@АлексейСилантьев-ф6о]

Is Mephiston usable for now?

[@ba_commander]

I suppose it depends on his point cost.

[@pathartley1430]

I think the major/only weakness of these detachments is not adding any AP to melee.

[@danielsneap1520]

Does battleshock not over ride the banner bonus?

[@ba_commander]

No, because the OC from the banner is added after.

[@danielsneap1520]

@@ba_commander ah that’s very useful to know cheers !

[@tommytukka7034]

It's weird that brother Corbulo is still in the codex as the Sanguinary High Priest on page 21 in the Chapter Ordering of the Host..but he's not in any data lists as a model anymore.. It's a shame really, we've lost alot, but feels like we've also gained a fair bit aswell..

[@ba_commander]

You have the codex already????

[@tommytukka7034]

@ba_commander I do.. I was going to reach out to you but had no way to privately do it.

[@Michaelkayslay]

03:15 heroic intervention. You don't het charge bonus rule ?

[@asaucedude]

They have clarified that if you heroic intervention you don't get the charge bonus (fight first) but you do get your +2 str +1 attacks

[@Michaelkayslay]

@asaucedude really ? I did not know that . What about sanguinors miracle saviour rule ? Can you use that first turn if you get charged ?

[@asaucedude]

@@Michaelkayslay Sanguinor can come down turn one but he does not get any bonus STR or Attacks since he is not charging.

[@Michaelkayslay]

@asaucedude ohh that is huge Thank you Is there a rule to confirm this at all ? If my OP. Doesn't believe me

[@ba_commander]

It was in one of the recent balance documents on the GW cvommunity site.

[@samm7322]

Is dev wounds better then +1 to wound, astorath vs bland chaplain

[@ba_commander]

I think so but maybe I can check.

[@samm7322]

@@ba_commander it was a throw away comment from jack and Quintin at AoW on a live stream a few days ago. We are all pretty jazzed on astorath but they didn't seem too excited by him, which surprised me. Be interested to see what you come up with. Great LAG video. Looking forward to the rest of the deep dives.

[@darktank0875]

How practical do you think a 6 man outrider squad led by a chaplain and fight first would be a waste or no?

[@ba_commander]

Hard to say, I mean it’s only AP one chainswords and their bases are massive.

[@slotracing.digital]

Hi, my list includes 2x5 death company jump pack one led by atorath and other one by lemartes. Everything seems to be overkill.

[@ba_commander]

You played into Knights yet? Or equivalent T12 with 20+ wounds?

[@slotracing.digital]

@@ba_commander no. I don't. But in that case I could charge with both units. Maybe it's less effective but it's more flexible, isn't? Btw. I like your channel, good job!

[@zweinfist441]

Wouldn’t the jump captain with Sanguinary guard buff their strength on the charge to S9?

[@ba_commander]

He would yes.

[@stephenneal9526]

How do you get one oc for each model from the banner if the sanguinary guard are battle shocked

[@ba_commander]

The +1 from the banner is added after the unit is reduced to 0 from battle shock.

[@stephenneal9526]

@ba_commander never knew that thanks mate. So affectively they can only ever loose half there OC and control the objective

[@danielmaguire3010]

i am working on a list with 2 impulsors of blade guard and 10 assault terminators lead by a chaplin with speed of the primarch

[@ba_commander]

Sounds nasty!

[@timothygrey726]

I don’t understand why Sanguinary Guard still OC1 even when battleshocked

[@ba_commander]

Cause you reduce the OC then add the +1 from the banner!

[@boogynightboy]

Combo 5 with redeemer ?

[@ba_commander]

I find the Redeemer too costly now.

[@philliparrigo]

LAG IRL, oh noez! 😂

[@ryannelson7719]

I really want to run a blade guard blob with a chaplain, SG with Dante, seth with assault intercessors and a priest out of a LR, a brick of dc with lemartes and a brick with astorath but ....points.....

[@jioosting]

Seth isn't in the codex anymore

[@ryannelson7719]

@@jioosting I call the captain with sustained three Seth lol

[@ryannelson7719]

He lives on in spirit

[@jioosting]

@@ryannelson7719 Oh that makes sense!

[@lordravenblade]

3.5 average on 3 dice makes 10.5 not 9.5. Even better.

[@RSBurgener]

Thanks for this. I think we were all hoping there would be some danger in this new codex and I'm glad you've been able to confirm it for us.

[@matthewdavenport4030]

Did I hear you say Impulsor went up to 14 models?

[@carysage]

It's the Repulsor

[@ba_commander]

Impulsor is 7, Repulsor 14.

[@matthewbiro9689]

I don't know about it.... As silly as it sounds having a flaw for giving in to the red thirst does not feel like blood angels to me. It feels more like a flesh tearers detachment (RIP Seth). Not a rules point but you did say how you are sorry about not covering the lore more at times 😅

[@mariomandog]

Every BA has the red thirst though, which in itself is considered a flaw

[@matthewbiro9689]

@@mariomandog sure, this adds on an additional flaw though 😅 When you become more aggressive, hence the Flesh tearers analogy. To me the first founding chapter try to hide the flaw

[@riskiwi3573]

@@matthewbiro9689 if you read any of the blood angels books it covers quite a lot how they are constantly working to hold back the flaw, and the sheer loss of control that comes from giving in to it completely. Having them unable to do stratagems and have OC because theyre in a blood frenzy that gives them extra strength is about as blood angel-ey as I can think of for a stratagem!

[@matthewbiro9689]

@@riskiwi3573 I have read plenty of books, I know the history of the revenant legion and I even read the lore in codicies. A 'blood frenzy' doesn't feel very blood angels to me. It is a matter of preference. For the same reason I hate the meme that we slant towards jump pack units... We don't....

[@riskiwi3573]

@@matthewbiro9689 to each their own I guess, it just feels a bit weird saying you don't think part of the chapters core traits is very 'them'. Feels a bit like saying 'I personally don't think the whole viking thing is very space wolves '

[@voidshade9526]

LAG time!

[@ba_commander]

LAG!

[@sadlumpia]

Algorithm comment

[@BloodyArchangelus]

Our codex is fine, I guess. I though Gw just hates BA models. Turns out they hate all 40K with passion. Wink wink

[@BLUEBOYISLEDGE]

"Fine, I guess" bro our Codex is insane

[@ba_commander]

I think it's better than fine!!!

[@mcdxcom]

So combo 3 u think is best with the chainsword instead of powerfist? Is this simply to fish for dev wounds. I was thinking of running him with a priest and 10 aint as I don’t have an impulsor

[@besaesae]

BA captain with chainsword with A. Ints. And a sang priest sounds expensive but nice

[@mattcharles3514]

Nice to see you advocating the Maghoff manoeuvre @ba_commander, SG in a repulsor rocks

[@ba_commander]

It helps I think.