Baby Base 16 : Lots of power only a few mistakes : Oxygen not included

Finally we get around to the sour gas boiler, it's compact and fits around the Hydrogen vent. We now have to much natural gas. The hard part was not making the crude oil pre heat to efficient surprisingly. The credits give full overlays for the whole base and I included the settings below. As always the save is attached so if you want to have a poke around help yourself.
Settings
Temp sensor for Aquatuner Below 555C
Pipe temp sensor beside Aquatuner Above -168
Pipe temp sensor above Door Above -183
Liquid valve 666g/s
Hydro sensor Above 5KG (Though this is not necessary)
Save game file from end of video
drive.google.com/file/d/1GyKd...
Mods :
Minibase mod
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Drink tea not coffee
Speed Control
Pliers
Blueprints
/ francisjohn
Credits song - Dan Lebowitz - Surrender

[@andypepe90]

That "NOO" at 24:13 was the most genuine panic that only ONI can offer lol

[@FrancisJohnYT]

After spending so much time putting the boiler together I really really did not want to have to do a massive clean up, but ONI it always finds a way to break you.

[@amittens7473]

i can say with pride i screamed like that a lot playing oni

[@Jack_I5]

"a rookie mistake" says the person who's building a tiny sour gas boiler. (I never even knew that sour gas boilers exsisted) lol.

[@MaskedCritic1932]

So here's a bit of an idea for getting the debris of the ladders out of your boiler, in future builds: use plastic ladders. You're making a sour gas boiler, so it doesn't matter if the plastic melts, it just becomes more sour gas! That's also a way you could speed up vacuuming out this design: mini gas pumps. Again, it doesn't matter that they end up melting, because naphtha will become what you want anyways!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Smart plan, I'm stealing that for the next one.

[@coconutcute712]

@@FrancisJohnYTmaybe you can use this for a spaced out baby base? They updated the mod for spaced out.

[@commandline6749]

legit, this is the only ONI series I enjoy and respect (other than brothgar, but he dont post as often as I like)

[@WeirdOne19142]

Brothgar is an amazing content creator. If I have highly technical questions, I turn to his channel. I don’t go out of my way to follow him, however. I adore Francis John and Simon whistler, however, because both creators are highly informative while also keeping the subject matter entertaining. Francis really has a knack for this. I truly can’t wait to see his channel hit astronomic levels of viewers - say a million subscribers or so. Personally, I never miss a Francis John video. (Astronomic was an intentional nod to the dupes). 🤓

[@YouCountSheep]

I accidently stumbled upon Brothgars videos once and that made me get ONI in the first place. I didn't yet play that much, and it kinda feels a bit like cheating watching Francis (getting spoiled by what is possible) but this is just crazy interesting.

[@Greg_Rock]

It's Mee-Thaine in the United Kingdom and some other countries. It's Meth-Aine in the United States and some other countries.

[@teromax3463]

Hehe he said meth

[@chazdomingo475]

​@Starlight It comes from methylene which was coined by French chemists in the 19th century and comes from the Greek. In French it would be pronounced Maythane, similar to why "melee" is meh-lay. The US pronunciation is much closer to that. The US in general pronounces borrowed French words more closely to their native pronunciation because they don't have the natural rivalry of the UK and also have more influence of French culture. Neither are wrong though. It is a borrowed word. The truth is that US English and UK English are divergent dialects.

[@58209]

@Starlight language is dynamic. there is no single "correct" pronunciation when comparing between regional dialects. both are correct according to their respective dialects.

[@TheMule71]

No way. I pronounce it Meep-thaine.

[@WeirdOne19142]

Then again, Americans have freedom units. I’ll probably take the side of the rest of the world on this one and start calling it mee thane, regardless of the fact that I am American. I also use metric and Celsius as often as possible. We have a strange culture in America, sadly.

[@TheTdw2000]

Clearly the methane pronunciation issue is too hard to resolve, so I propose we start using the systematic IUPAC name carbane instead.

[@dannyunixanalyst9018]

Pronounced carbaanee yeah?

[@arucane8635]

Danny unixanalyst from what I remember on year 12 chem it’s car-bane

[@lyssalud6781]

Noun carbane (uncountable) (nonstandard, organic chemistry) A proposed systematic name for methane. *Usage notes* This is not recommended by IUPAC

[@TheTdw2000]

@@lyssalud6781 I know, that's why I proposed it, to piss off literally everyone.

[@IMPStudio]

Balanced on an uncomfortably sharp spoon is now forever added to my lexicon, thanks for that gem! :D

[@Kiwi-hi2wi]

24:15 pure fear, wonder what would have happened if he did not notice so quickly

[@58209]

i don't think i've ever heard francis sound so alarmed. his "no!" put me on high alert for a second.

[@JaRyCu]

I actually came down here to post the same question. Would it really have exploded? I have close to 100 hours in this game, but I'm still stuck at the very end of early game mechanics... I can't imagine getting this far in yet.

[@coldeonar]

@@JaRyCu the alternative to finding it when he did was finding it when his dupes were peeing themselves in their bedrooms unable to get into their suits while they are suffocating.

[@Psy-Krow]

@@JaRyCu his video tutorial for getting over the mid game hump really helped me when I was stuck on late early game. Check it out if you haven't!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

That was my entire power supply that was offline, no power means everything stops. Then comes the question of will everything start up again normally when/if you fix it or will the stop have consequences that you could not anticipate! These are all questions you never ever want to have to answer :)

[@Genesis8934]

I've only heard it as "Meth-ane." Might be one of those American vs. EU pronunciation differences!

[@corbintheintern6229]

When he does the google pronunciation thing, if you look in the top right, you can see that it says British pronunciation.

[@tylerjaraczewski8973]

I did the google pronunciation in U.S. and it says meh-thein 😂

[@Quirkyhndl]

In a bar in Brussels I once had a fellow start speaking to me in a language I didnt recognize, so I told him I speak English in French, he said "I am speakin' English laddie!" He was Scottish...

[@mitzapper2]

@@Quirkyhndl clearly he was speaking scottish slang but it may as well be a dialect of english imo lol

[@NoMusiciansInMusicAnymore]

It's Aluminium

[@orionsax7]

I've noticed best way to keep base cool is to run your liquid pipes THROUGH your floors instead of in the space between floors. The solid material around the pipe will be much better conductor than the gas! Illustrated precisely by your steam turbine cooling at the beginning of the video.

[@pistachioicecream8800]

oooh thanks I'll be stealing that for my curent playthrough

[@DasPanoptikum]

I really appreciate that you keep the camera in place when you skip time. This is such a minor detail, but it helps a lot to see the progress.

[@JessWLStuart]

Plush carpets under the last bed on the left and the toilet and the sink would improve the decor of the left side of the bedroom as well.

[@looweeg4229]

Francis: "The hydrogene vent in the middle because we had no choice" Me: Francis is just flexing here.

[@arnoudvanderlugt3230]

9:12 Pretty sure the oxygen was there all along, behind the thermo pipe sensor. It was separated from the rest of the space when you pulled a vacuum

[@FrancisJohnYT]

That is embarrassing. Having that O2 there would have messed up everything, it turns out I was lucky the tepedizer was not in enough water.

[@arnoudvanderlugt3230]

@@FrancisJohnYT life, uhh, finds a way

[@kurtu5]

@@FrancisJohnYT Yeah I saw that immediately. I have a general clue about this contraption, like my cat has a general clue that the refrigerator stores food. But I was proud to spot the one tile of non-vacuum.

[@Psy-Krow]

the mad lad went and did it. *slow clap* bravo. I've been really excited to see this SGboiler design since you first stated interest in doing it. absolutely amazing. well done. i nominate it to be named the "uncomfortably sharp spoon" design, that had me LOL.

[@bubbaattack]

Perfectly balanced, on the edge of an uncomfortably sharp spoon. Thanos would like to have a word with you.

[@PaddyTheGamerPop]

Outro music change caught me off guard. Pillars of the universe shouldn't be shaken like this.

[@cfalde]

Balanced on an uncomfortably sharp spoon. Thats great

[@nicnicvis]

Scratchy beard at 18:22

[@MarkusNovak]

The whole discussion of ice's impressive thermal capacity is perfectly illustrated by those garbage "whiskey stones" that hold no chill.

[@andrewzakrzewski41]

Uncomfortably sharp spoon. This describes me as a person

[@KerbalLauncher]

*Cries in winging two messy and inefficient sour gas elevator boilers They need 6 aquatuners.

[@selensewar]

"People might say that this design is balanced upon a razor's edge, while in reality it's more like the edge of an uncomfortably sharp spoon", - Francis John, 2020

[@ellysetta7211]

i honestly didn't think it could be done :) my sour gas boiler is the size of the average skyscraper and requires constant attention, once again you have pushed the envelope with that mini design, very nicely done

[@adamthethird4753]

19:13 ^_^ Old habits die hard it seems. I've taken to using gas tanks in line with what I want to store. The gas tanks have an automation output now. Chuck that through a NOT gate and you can trigger your generators when the tanks reach a certain level without needing that interesting bridge trick.

[@Sparhafoc]

Sure, but a gas tank takes up a lot of space while pipes don't.

[@mirjanbouma]

Your mini boiler and explanation finally made it so I can wrap my head around it.

[@DawidSikora]

"Imagine you hold 100 kg of gold in your hand" Yeah, day like every day

[@Icazify]

If you remove the critter drop off in the meat factory, you could place another pedestal there to increase the left side a smidge more, would require the airflow tile to be changed to window tile, and with such a crowded room, that might be impossible

[@Icazify]

You could build a tile above the airflow tile, replace the airflow and remove the temporary tile. If any critters get trapped they cant escape the room

[@XaqNautilus]

I work in oil and gas and you are the only person I have ever heard call it mee thane.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Their was a lot of comments about that, turns out their is a drop down box on pronunciation and the UK version was what I played.

[@qschroed]

I was looking forward to this!

[@tygobosman9865]

Absolutily love this series, as all oni vids, tnx for making them

[@Conqueror933]

UNCOMFORTABLE SHARP SPOON

[@Galdo145]

"winging a sour gas boiler would be messy". My 300 cycles to stabilize my naphtha sour gas boiler agree. Required many break-in and tweak efforts. It eventually worked great though!

[@Ozmundas]

"Uncomfortably Sharp Spoon" ... LOL that one is going to stick with me for awhile :)

[@tmarioc7922]

Seeing as how big a problem it was moving the sour gas around was on your previous boiler, the liquid bump is mindblowingly efficient.

[@benjaminolsson2162]

You could say it's balanced on the edge of a pizza slicer. The kind that's basically just a metal wheel with a handle. Now some people might claim that those things aren't sharp at all but I actually managed to cut myself on one while doing the dishes. There was cheese stuck on the edge and I squeezed on it and pulled to the side to remove it after letting it soak for a while. I was shocked when I started to bleed but also quite impressed by my own stupidity in what just I managed to do. Great episode btw. It would be cool to see you give a salt reactor a go sometime. Maybe not in this series though, due to lack of space of course. As for the space you currently have left, maybe you could get some burgers going or something. I would really like to see almost the entire map used for something before the series is over.

[@TheGalifrey]

Seriously Impressive design sir!

[@spaz4269]

This is really impressive. Well done.

[@solo6490]

Keep in mind your industrial brick will overpressurize (eventually) at 1000kg like you mentioned with your NG storage. With your NG generators dumping PW in at a faster rate now you may need an overflow on your steam turbines to your rocket silo.

[@SirPanax]

Cheers Francis, another damn fine vid :)

[@1998hang]

Nice bgm at the end man. Loved it. Would be nice if you can put it during some timelapse video for cleaning up your mess.

[@Wedrax]

Nice music choice in the credits Francis!

[@FaithOriginalisme]

This is absolutely beautiful

[@Cookie1994UK]

This is the episode that I have been waiting for

[@dannyunixanalyst9018]

I wait for these to come out. I wish they were longer. Thumbs up on the music change.

[@thoboy92]

im addicted to this series LOL

[@dsutc3]

Thanks for another great episode, I had a little bit of fun with the save game, i think i worked out the overheating steam turbines issue, their in carbon dioxide, with a whooping thermal conductivity of 0.015 , it's safe to say thats the issue, i look for to how you solve the Future oil well methane issue. personally i'd expand the Industrial brick out and add at least 1 more natural gas gen, and drop any more solid methane into the oil of the oil well and have that solve the methane issues of both storage and rapid build up of methane in the oil well. I look forward to the next episode

[@Truemmerphantom]

I'm actually shocked that you can build a Sour Gas Boiler *that* small. I have yet to build one on my own, but dang, this is efficient space management!

[@oyrox]

Wow you make oxygen not included look so easy!

[@arthurcarlson2855]

an uncomfortably sharp spoon.

[@JerekDain]

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be. Thanos would be proud.

[@RPGLoony]

"An uncomfortably sharp spoon" lol I'm going to need to use this.

[@kingjames4886]

cmon... I've made a sour gas boiler on the fly in a survival game... that's how I discovered sulfur gas works as a moderator.

[@liphrium9858]

Perfectly Balanced As All Things Should Be

[@RaukGorth]

Awesome job!

[@pronkel]

as always thanks for the video :)

[@tomweinstein]

This is beautiful.

[@Talderas]

I have been waiting for this one. I was wondering how he was going to handle the hydrogen vent. I have been playing this mod alongside Francis John but on a large sized asteroid. I don't have a geyser spoiling the space of my sour gas boiler and I made a few tweaks to Francis's design to to reduce my vertical height by two blocks. Looking at the map after finishing it and now I'm wishing I had instead tried to compress the horizontal requirements because the boiler and my oil reservoir leave me no wiggle room for a second rocket. One of the wonderful things about this style of map is due to its small size it's making it easier to dissect builds commonly made on larger maps. I can't wait for the next video because he's giving me objectives to try for in my own play through.

[@wreckcelsior]

21:11 Riffing off those 9 times tables was impressive. Nary a pause for thought. cheers Francis.

[@Valendr0s]

Mini regolith boiler!

[@grimwolf4868]

Can´t you use liquid bridges to save on isolation on your pipes and change them later to make it pretty?

[@tejing2001]

One of the hardest lessons to learn when building a sour gas boiler: resist the urge to make it too efficient. It's often far more reasonable to just pay the power cost for the inefficient design... especially when you have a running sour gas boiler :-) Also, in the US I always hear it pronounced meh-thane, I think mee-thane is the british way.

[@AlejandroMeri]

You know, you don't need 2 insulated pipes to move the liquified gases around, just one pipe with a filter at the end should be enough to move both liquids. If what you want is to move the same liquid on both directions you can also do it with one pipe if you alternate.

[@Genesis8934]

~ 14:20, it's funny because Brothgar ran a base with no electrolyzer setup and only bottled pwater off-gassing since bottled form apparently gives off more gas than pools of liquid. idk numbers in this though.

[@Jules_Diplopia]

Finally.... but well worth the wait.

[@0x0404]

Being forced to design things small really stresses the design aspect of it all.

[@nagycsapat931]

1:05 because you didn't have enough mass to absorb the heat from your cooling pipe, the gas they were in are only 1-2 kg and they cant transfer that cooling fast enough

[@xN3hiox]

With all the space you have might as well just build another lox and lhydrogen setup on the other side

[@ateszkid]

Amazing!

[@jtn2002]

Now we need something to use up all that power. How about a whole map cooling system? It may also be time to remove that pesky CO2 at the bottom of the base. Casual oxyfern farm?

[@thriceandonce]

Heck yes, I'm all for an oxyfern farm! Not the most efficient I'm sure, but fun :D

[@Tamizushi]

Once you build the second rocket silo, you could maybe use the methane to bring some of the heat from it to your steam room. Turns out natural gas generators are heat multiplying.

[@tmarioc7922]

I think one of the amazing things, is that this system, with it's less than a kilo crude oil input can power more natural gas generators constantly than all of the nat gas geysers on my map (taking into account dormancy)

[@cblyat53]

"with it is less than"... Wtf?? Speak English please

[@aronfohn857]

Im joust curious whats gonna happen to the Steam Presure in the Industrial Brick, As I see it The NatGas Generators are gonna Produce neraly half a kg of Steam a second and there is no way built in to remove the steam

[@Divine_Evil]

Hey Francis why don't you move the pokeshells to the right, so they are next to the oil well... And then expand the industrial brick with 2-3 more natural gas generators, power plants or another steam turbine for even more POWAH!

[@MrZAPPER1000]

Fun episode

[@alexbalser2304]

When I did this map I was pretty happy with my ethanol based power setup. This is just absurd.

[@alexbalser2304]

Matthias Görgens yup. It was a bit of a trick to make it work in that tiny space, but I did. Got the statue up and one of the two big achievements as well.

[@PoringPoring951]

oh nice. new music.

[@Headshriker]

14:30 the pressure goes so high is because bottled polluted water didn´t have a pressure restriction like a body of polluted water so i just evaporate into polluted oxygen and didn´t care about the surrounding pressure

[@rhysjones7061]

"uncomfortably sharp spoon" XD

[@MrOssyan]

Hmm i get why is there a counterflow and on a regular map it works nice , but why on this minimap ? Why not use all the cold to flash freeze the sour gas into solid methane conveyor it in walls into a 2x4 room whit a 2 gas pump and let the heat from the rocket silo+hot block+excess heat from the boiler to thaw it ? That way the system could never backup and the "only" point of failure is the game crashing because of the huge gas pressure :P Also if there is excess cold in the system , you could use it to freeze co2 solid and conveyor it in walls to space , that way the natural gas gens cant backup either.

[@ethynkoen8279]

Such a missed opportunity. You should have used the thanos quote about balance

[@Arsoonist]

Francis uploads a video Me:spamming the play button

[@davawen9938]

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

[@ChristianAkacro]

I'm pretty concerned you don't have an extra nat. gas. genny to burn off excess, say in your old storage room or if/when your boiler backs up.

[@rubikmonat6589]

yeah it really needs one more. There were some sizeable piles of solid methane building up in there too, they will melt eventually. So either that or the solid methane dump at the end of the conveyer rail are going to explode soon.

[@pritampaul5050]

Bro what is the keyboard key to use the mods (like instant piping) in the game??? Pls help

[@tomsan45]

hey, this is rimworld ending song.....

[@custume]

that debris will mess with your mind, hehheheheheheh

[@yangjiao915]

Perhaps you can make another fuel/oxidizer setup above the sour gas boiler?

[@TheMule71]

Hello! Quick question. At @38:00 you mention if you increase the efficiency of the heat exchange between the oil and sour gas, you need extra cooling from a steam turbine. I wonder: wouldn't exchanging more heat with the nat gas leaving the system be enough? I mean... the hotter the nat gat the more heat you're removing from the system. So another way to re-balance it could be to build a layer or two more on the left side heat exchanger.

[@Tenebrousable]

There will be a rocket silo there. No room.

[@TheMule71]

@@Tenebrousable a rocket silo above the boiler? I doubt it.

[@snackob1968]

Instead of running two pipes, you could run one that filters at the rocket side and load fuel in alternating batches as a challenge. Hard mode: automate it.

[@BigOldGrizzly2]

Genuine question here: Why do you put the Methane temperature point at -184? You seem to have a mix of solid and liquid methane. Why not just a couple degrees higher like -178, and keep it all liquid?

[@lionllew6601]

Or an uncomfortably sharp spoon 🤣🤣🤣

[@Tenebrousable]

Won't the industrial brick keep building up steam pressure from the polluted water coming out from the generators?

[@whydid666]

It's: "METH-Thane." As in: Meth-od acting Meth-amphetamine

[@elonmuskes4874]

Is it posible to make a industrial brick with just power transformers as a heat source? If so i whold love to see it in a tutorial nuget.

[@karpa.183]

instead of farming insulation I just use loops. on one map I didn't even bother to insulate the liquid hydrogen pipes xD

[@TakeApartLab]

What settings do you have with the speed mod

[@PyrokineticFire1]

why does every sour gas boiler i see others make use a liquid pump for methane? use cold radiant piping at a higher elevation & let it fall down (past the nat gas pumps) to where it boils into nat gas.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

In this design it's more about the temperature transfer, usually you just build large gas heat exchange tunnels. By having everything in radiant pipes I can transfer temp more efficiently and make the heat exchanger shorter which was very important for this map.

[@rkageru]

Can u blueprint this? I have a 1 year old base that needs a small designe i was looking for one

[@tyraelpl]

As always, a great vid! Thank you. I especially love the mee-thain bit xD When it comes to your clay farm i read somewhere, on reddit i think, that when you put deodorizer so tightly they tend to do weird things. It might have been fixed since then if not, that could be a possible reason why the pressure goes nuts like this. Conclusion was that deodorizers should not be closer then every 2nd tile. Another thing. As I understand you made a boiler that produces exactly as much nat. gas as you consume, which is a problem. You need to have more consumers than production, the reason is that if for any reason your generators stop, you probably won't ever be able to burn off the excess since you always consume exactly what you produce. In other words I think that excess will pile on and on until it clogs up your system. The other option is to have the overflow redirect excess to a space vent. Btw I know there is this common misconception of coldness or chill being a thing (23:30)... it's wrong tho, coldness is simply the lack of heat ;) But, it can help explain thing. From a thermodynamic and logic standpoint tho, when you open your fridge you're not letting the chill out, you're letting the heat in to where there is less of it. Same as cheese holes aren't things, they are an absence of cheese... Or an empty glass; it's not filled with the lack of whiskey :P and generally you can't let out or pour the lack of something. Anyway... thanks again!