Bach - Cantata Preise Jerusalem den Herrn BWV 119 - Dijkstra | Netherlands Bach Society

Bach pulls out all the stops in "Preise, Jerusalem, den Herrn", BWV 119, performed here by the Netherlands Bach Society conducted by Peter Dijkstra for All of Bach. He wrote this music, a Ratswahlkantate (a town council inauguration cantata), for a festive church service in honour of the annual change of the town council in 1723.
Recorded for the project All of Bach on 18 February 2017 at Waalse Kerk, Amsterdam. If you want to help us complete All of Bach, please subscribe to our channel bit.ly/2vhCeFB and consider donating bit.ly/2uZuMj5.
For the interview with oboist Martin Stadler on Cantata "Preise, Jerusalem, den Herrn" BWV 119 go to • Stadler on Cantata Pre...
For more information on BWV 119 and this production go to allofbach.com/en/bwv/bwv-119/
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Peter Dijkstra, conductor
Miriam Feuersinger, soprano
Alex Potter, alto
Thomas Hobbs, tenor
Peter Kooij, bass
Martin Stadler, oboe da caccia
0:00 Preise, Jerusalem, den Herrn (Chor)
5:13 Gesegnet Land! (Rezitativ)
6:38 Wohl dir, du Volk der Linden (Arie)
10:39 So herrlich stehst du, liebe Stadt! (Rezitativ)
12:22 Die Obrigkeit ist Gottes Gabe (Arie)
15:33 Nun! wir erkennen es (Rezitativ)
16:31 Der Herr hat Guts an uns getan (Chor)
22:14 Zuletzt! (Rezitativ)
22:56 Hilf deinem Volk, Herr Jesu Christ (Choral)

[@bach]

0:07 Preise, Jerusalem, den Herrn (Chor) 5:13 Gesegnet Land! (Rezitativ) 6:38 Wohl dir, du Volk der Linden (Arie) 10:39 So herrlich stehst du, liebe Stadt! (Rezitativ) 12:22 Die Obrigkeit ist Gottes Gabe (Arie) 15:33 Nun! wir erkennen es (Rezitativ) 16:31 Der Herr hat Guts an uns getan (Chor) 22:14 Zuletzt! (Rezitativ) 22:56 Hilf deinem Volk, Herr Jesu Christ (Choral)

[@thethikboy]

I am ecstatic when Bach brings out the trumpets and drums.

[@richardcleaver5440]

Me too. The Stadtpfeifer were municipal employees, like Bach. Most German cities of any size had them, mostly from the later 1400s on. The Town Council whose inauguration this cantata was written for, definitely wanted to get their money's worth. BTW the statute says that as well as stimulating reverence for the benefit of the populace, they are to play also for the university's degree ceremonies,. I have to say I think that's a tradition needing revival. Anybody who survives the process to earn a doctorate deserves trumpets and drums at the ceremony!

[@richarddinizza8252]

Extraordinary indeed

[@valtergilenardi2639]

Bach is Divine 😇🙏👑🎶🎺🎺🌌

[@davidswan8303]

Seeing over 20,000 views for a video posted only in October of 2019 gave me hope for humanity until I realized that about half of the views were me. One of my favorite cantatas.

[@barbarataylor5042]

I wake every morning of late and reach first for my dose of Bach from NBS. Brilliant & such comfort to the soul.

[@mannsquest9953]

The joy of quality music videos: no ads. Hallelujah indeed

[@mach1chap]

You Tube has become the most important force for the dissemination and even interpretation of classical music. Where else can you learn so much so quickly? So what makes one weep with this performance, apart from the musical quality others have praised, is the fact that if everybody over 70 were kicked out of the church, there would be virtually nobody hearing it live. The same is true of most of the other endeavours of this type, the exceptions being the crowd performances in malls and stations, and the Christmas Oratorio in a German flat, which bring tears for the right reasons. My ha'porth for this performance is above all how Dijsktra gets the cuivre tone from the 4th trumpet: you know why there are 4 of them. Nobody else manages this. Alongside that is the way everybody gets stuck in. Dijkstra has had stick for clowning, but it is his way and here it works tremendously: do you ever see an orchestra elsewhere get so involved, particularly in this sort of music? And the choir, not least "the pride of Lichtenstein" over there on the right. The engineering, to capture this, as well as the elusive balance of this particular combination of voices and instruments is absolutely remarkable.

[@lyndamack283]

I agree with you, it's a great performance but the video is more than often definately out of takt with the music and that is a great shame in my opinion.

[@MegaFount]

This endeavor is like building a great cathedral. There is something incredibly momentous about this musical project that is staggering in its magnitude. Each piece another brick in this vast edifice. It truly displays the vast greatness of Western civilization as these incomparable artists come together to create something of ineffable shining brilliance. A gift to humanity that one cannot pay back but only appreciate. Please share this incredible endeavor with friends and family. I feel like an astronaut traveling through time and space, witnessing the quintessence of the universe. Thank you, Netherlands for sharing this priceless gift with mankind. Your interpretations and performances touch something deep in my soul. This American salutes you!

[@kikivolauvent1]

Aaron; I can only wholeheartedly subscribe to and underline your wonderful comment. I have developped a great love for the Netherlands for precisely this incredible gift we are constantly given by those incredible musicians and singers. Our days will never be the same after some listening to these Bach works.

[@mariaoliviahumphreys4667]

You voice perfectly my sentiments about this enterprise. The human spirit at its highest. A celebration of beauty as the true food of the soul. And how comforting to know that one is not alone in these perceptions!

[@sarahbulkeley4218]

I am weeping at the beauty of this recording. Thank you so much.

[@pamelafrancis4476]

you are not alone

[@redbrian3655]

Wow! My body is reverberating with the glorious sounds! Your recording technicians are experts in capturing and balancing the sound. Excellent.

[@Bouncybon]

Sublime, spectacular and ineffably glorious!!!! Everything, EVERYTHING brought to the world by the NETHERLANDS BACH SOCIETY is 24 Carat Gold. Just listen to this.

[@gouarchlaurent3739]

Le génie de Bach est d'éclairer l 'humanité par la beauté .ces artistes l'on bien compris par leur performance. Merci à eux. Amitié de France.

[@valtergilenardi2639]

Divino Bach...Divina la sua Musica 🎶 🎶 🎶 🌌🎺🎺🎺🎻🎹🎹 Saluti da Lecce Barocca 👋 🤗😎 Italy

[@machida5114]

これら多くの素晴らしい作品群を、多くの人々が知らないなんて！ Many people don't know these many great works! このプロジェクトは、本当に意義あるものです！ This project is really meaningful!

[@desperateastro]

Grandeur indeed! And all for the inauguration of the local council!

[@svan79]

Wow i would never have found out this cantata without this great performance

[@pamelafrancis4476]

nor me, wow! there is hope for us all.

[@andreamundt]

Gorgeous bassoon playing,Mr.Aghassi,wonderful !!! :D

[@tomislavhrzenjak1692]

"Der Herr hat Guts an uns getan" (16:31) is so good! I heard it five times in a row and it's not enough. It's just amazing!

[@IDEEINDIGO]

🙏A grand opening choir (thanks, among others, to the brass)! Thomas Hobbs (tenor) once again touching. And Alex Potter, I cannot resist, I abdicate in front of this deeply moving voice. And the chorus "Der Herr hat Guts an uns getan" is just beautiful... Before the new intervention of the countertenor and the final choral short leaves me speechless in front of so much power... It’s huge... Divine... if God exists... but Sebastian’s music exists, and that’s good. Thanks to all the NBS team, not to mention the technicians of the shadow who offer us images and sound shots irreproachable.😇 🙏Un chœur introductif grandiose (merci, entre autres, aux cuivres) ! Thomas Hobbs (ténor) une fois de plus touchant. Et Alex Potter, je ne résiste pas, j'abdique devant cette voix si profondément émouvante. Et le chœur "Der Herr hat Guts an uns getan" est juste magnifique... Avant que la nouvelle intervention du contreténor et le court choral final me laisse sans voix devant tant de puissance... C'est énorme... Divin... si tant est que Dieu existe... Mais la musique de Sebastian, elle, existe bien, et c'est tant mieux. Merci à toute l'équipe NBS, sans oublier les techniciens de l'ombre qui nous offrent des images et des prises de son irréprochables.😇

[@Reino_X]

This is one of my favorite finds! you will also like "ich hatte viel bekümmernis" bwv 21 you may already know this cantata, because it's one of the new ones. But beyond the new and great ones, there's also old ones too: BWV 71, 95, 78, 82, 50, 156, 137, 7, 192, 3, 5, 190, 140, 151, 26, 170, 54, 1, 80, 35 and 84 (well 84 is the newest upload, but yeah) anyways I hope I helped you discover some amazing music! 😇💯👌

[@IDEEINDIGO]

@@Reino_X Hello Reino ! You give me a lot of works with all these cantatas to listen to... 😂🤪. I still know "Ich hatte viel Bekümernis" but I note it ! Have a good week. Best Regards, Isidore Désiré INDIGO

[@Reino_X]

@@IDEEINDIGO you too, btw I also listen to other bach works such as organ works, orchestral works etc. I especially enjoy complete flute sonatas and complete partita as well as English and French suites. I play bach on piano as well.

[@IDEEINDIGO]

@@Reino_X Hello Reino X, For several decades I have been a fan of Bach’s instrumental music: Variations Goldberg (Gould), The Well Tempered Keyboard (Richter), Partitas for keyboard, violin, or flute, Suites for cello, Suites Anglaises, Françaises... Except the 4 suites for orchestras of which I am less fan... Without forgetting the Brandenburg Concertos... Do I have to convince you again? If so, then visit my KZbin channel : I regularly post arrangements that I made from the instrumental work. Coming up in a couple of weeks: The prelude to the G Major suite for Cello, as well as the menuet of the Partita for keyboard in Bb Major BWV 825 or the German of the Partita for keyboard in D Major BWV 828 that I still work on... Enjoy it! See you soon "Sir"!

[@ferdiriordan1]

Astonishing -once again thank you Netherlands Bach Soc.

[@ronwalker4849]

THE FRENCH OUVERATURE IS ONE OF THE FINEST EXAMPLES OF THIS FORM. THERE IS ALSO SOMETHING AKIN TO FRENCH MUSIC IN THE FOLLOWING ARIA. ONE OF THE MOST PROFOUND WORKS IN EVERY RESPECT. BACH HAS NO END TO HIS SURPRISES HE OFFERS US.

[@AndrzejBehr]

What a great performance !!!

[@Reino_X]

This is such a great find!! This was very refreshing from the regular pace of other cantatas, the drum bang, the building up tension from the bigben, it's truly an amazing performance, and I love the ancient flute sound so much! ❤😇👌

[@carolynclark1724]

Beautiful performance- loved the trumpets!

[@AaronGlenn88]

what a mix. been listening to the cantatas for 2 days, learning about and seeing bach was not only a master of counterpoint, but of song, and these communities that continue in the tradition of playing bach hear him in the original language....and that it must be so different to know Lutheran Choral.

[@ursulawerren2683]

Muchas gracias. Maravillosa obra, ejecutada a la perfección. Plenamente disfrutable

[@machida5114]

確かにバッハは大洋です。 Certainly Bach is the ocean.

[@fernandosoares5812]

Fascinante. Bach sempre, mas sempre, a surpreender...

[@davidswan8303]

What a wonderful rendition. I have a cd of this by I think Leonhardt. This really takes me back. Thanks so much for performing and publishing these wonderful cantatas. Much thanks from Utah in the U.S.

[@eduardogironas]

From 6:39 to 10:35. Those oboes da caccia have an spectacular and elegant sound, Bach is really surprising here with the melodic line for these beautiful instruments.

[@samuelfabian9737]

You'll find a beautiful eyplanation by the oboist Martin Stadler: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3nNYoSjeaatgrM It's in Swiss German, with English subtitles.

[@cillyede]

Sehr gut, danke.

[@rocketsroar1]

To me, this Cantata opens with perhaps Bach's most incredible sinfonia.

[@carmenvaldivia8651]

Wunderbar!

[@carmenvaldivia8651]

Magnifique!!

[@hsvriend1]

Dank ! Magnifieke uitvoering !

[@heinzjoseantaresjicaraz]

Adoro esta musica del gran Bach

[@jairoestupinan9924]

Del más alto nivel de voces y el instrumental. Unas agrupaciones excelentes.

[@celsoalvesfilho2443]

Thank you for this great performance.

[@machida5114]

神々が黄昏れても、ライン川は残りました。バッハの作品も残るでしょう。 Even when the gods fell into twilight, the Rhine remained. Bach's work will remain, too. Selbst als die Götter in die Dämmerung fielen, blieb der Rhein. Auch Bachs Werk bleibt erhalten.

[@flemmingranch8777]

Rigtig flot musik med fanfarer og smuk kor-og solosang dejlig at lytte til......

[@de31.8]

English Translation: 1. Chorus Preise, Jerusalem, den Herrn, lobe, Zion, deinen Gut! Denn er machet fest die Riegel deiner Tore und segnet deine Kinder drinnen, er schaffet deinen Grenzen Frieden. (Psalm 147:12-14) 1. Chorus Praise the Lord, Jerusalem, praise, Sion, your Good! For He secures the bolts of your portals and blesses your children within; He provides peace for your borders. 2. Rezitativ T Gesegnet Land, glückselge Stadt, Woselbst der Herr sein Herd und Feuer hat! Wie kann Gott besser lohnen, Als wo er Ehre läßt in einem Lande wohnen? Wie kann er eine Stadt Mit reicherm Nachdruck segnen, Als wo er Güt und Treu einander läßt begegnen, Wo er Gerechtigkeit und Friede Zu küssen niemals müde, Nicht müde, niemals satt Zu werden teur verheißen, auch in der Tat erfüllet hat? Da ist der Schluß gemacht: gesegnet Land, glückselge Stadt! 2. Recitative T Blessed land, fortunate city, where the Lord Himself keeps His hearth and fire! What better reward can God provide than to send honor to dwell in a land? With what more bounteous favor can he bless a city than to have goodness and loyalty greet each other, to have righteousness and peace never tire of kissing, never weary, never sated with being regarded precious, even this He has fulfilled in deed? Therefore here is the conclusion: blessed land, fortunate city! 3. Arie T Wohl dir, du Volk der Linden, Wohl dir, du hast es gut! Wieviel an Gottes Segen Und seiner Huld gelegen, Die überschwenglich tut, Kannst du an dir befinden. 3. Aria T Good fortune, you people of the lindens, good fortune, you have it good! As much of God's blessing and graciousness together, which fill to overflowing, can you find in your midst. 4. Rezitativ B So herrlich stehst du, liebe Stadt! Du Volk, das Gott zum Erbteil sich erwählet hat! Doch wohl! und aber wohl! wo man's zu Herzen fassen Und recht erkennen will, Durch wen den Herr den Segen wachsen lassen. Ja! Was bedarf es viel? Das Zeugnis ist schon da, Herz und Bewissen wird uns überzeugen, Daß, was wir Gutes bei uns sehn, Nächst Gott durch kluge Obrigkeit Und durch ihr weises Regiment geschehn. Drum sei, geliebtes Volk, zu treuem Dank bereit, Sonst würden auch davon nicht deine Mauern schweigen! 4. Recitative B So gloriously you stand, dear city! You people, who God has chosen as His heirs! Yet it is well! and yet well again! when it is taken to heart and rightly perceived through whom the Lord allows the blessing to grow. Yes! What more do you need? The witness is already there, our heart and awareness will expound it to us, that the goodness we see among us, besides God, is present through prudent authority and through its wise governance. Therefore be prepared, dear people, for true thanks, otherwise even your walls would complain against you! 5. Arie A Die Obrigkeit ist Gottes Gabe, Ja selber Gottes Ebenbild. Wer ihre Macht nicht will ermessen, Der muß auch Gottes gar vergessen: Wie würde sonst sein Wort erfüllt? 5. Aria A Authority is God's gift, yes, even the very image of God. Whoever will not submit to its power must also forget God completely: how else would His word be fulfilled? 6. Rezitativ S Nun! Wir ekennen es und bringen dir, O höchster Gott, ein Opfer unsers Danks dafür. Zumal, nachdem der heutge Tage, Der Tag, den uns der Herr gemacht, Euch, teure Väter, teils von eurer Last entbunden, Teils auch auf euch Schlaflose Sorgenstunden Bei einer neuen Wahl gebracht, So seufzt ein treues Volk mit Herz und Mund zugleich: 6. Recitative S Now! we acknowedge it and bring to You, o highest God, an offering of our thanks for its sake. In addition for these days, the day which the Lord has made for us, for you, dear Town Fathers, in part to release you from your burdens, in part also to bring upon you sleepless hours of worry with a new election, a faithful people sigh thus with heart and mouth together: 7. Chorus Der Herr hat Guts an uns getan, Des sind wir alle fröhlich. Er seh die teuren Väter an Und halte auf unzählig Und späte lange Jahre naus In ihrem Regimente Haus, So wollen wir ihn preisen. 7. Chorus The Lord has done good things for us, therefore we all rejoice. He gazes upon our faithful fathers, and supports them in untold and long-lasting years in the house of their government, therefore we would praise Him. 8. Rezitativ A Zuletzt! Da du uns, Herr, zu deinem Volk gesetzt, So laß von deinen Frommen Nur noch ein arm Gebet vor deiner Ohren kommen Und höre! ja erhöre! Der Mund, das Herz und Seele seufzet sehre. 8. Recitative A Finally! Since You have established us as Your people, then grant that, from Your devout ones even a poor prayer may reach Your ears, and hear! yes, hear! Our mouths, our hearts and souls sigh sorely. 9. Choral Hilf deinem Volk, Herr Jesu Christ, Und segne, was dein Erbteil ist. Wart und pfleg ihr' zu aller Zeit Und heb sie hoch in Ewigkeit! Amen. ("German Te Deum," verse 4) 9. Chorale Help Your people, Lord Jesus Christ, and bless Your inheritance. Look after and care for them at all times and exalt them in eternity! Amen. (All this information has been uploaded from: emmanuelmusic.org)

[@benjosephr.cuyacot5963]

thank you, much appreciated, keep it up. whenever i am listening to this channel i always look for your comment for the lyrics. thank you again, wherever you are.

[@de31.8]

Ben Joseph Cuyacot Wow! I appreciate hearing your feedback. Every time I hear one of Bach’s cantatas for the first time, I have to look up the lyrics so that I may know what they’re about. After all, the main reason Bach composed them was not merely for the enjoyment of the music but rather, so that the lyrics could speak to his audience. I haven’t posted any more translations because I’ve been so busy lately, but when ever I get a chance to watch some more cantatas, I’ll do so. Thank you, once again, for your comment. Blessings from Texas.

[@benjosephr.cuyacot5963]

@@de31.8 its okay, God unites us through Bach. regards from Salzburg, Austria.

[@PeriodinstrumentfaN]

Glorious Trumpets from 16:30 !!!

[@javierperez6774]

Wowwww!!! Que sonido de las trompetas, Bach siempre me sorprende y que gran direccion

[@domenicomonaco646]

Maravigliosa straordinaria magnifica questa cantata del Kantor ! Bravissimi i musicisti interpreti

[@musicaantigua869]

Gracias y saludos cordiales desde Mallorca para vosotros nethelans baroque 😍😍 bravo

[@Endescendantmontezdonc]

Thanks nbs for this wonderful concert. For those who appreciate this music, please listen also to the thomanerchor's 2015 rendition of bwv119 . It is on YT, but, I am sorry, I don't know how to paste a link ..

[@stephenlee1756]

Good to see a young woman who loves blowing her own trumpet - and quite rightly so.

[@rorycoker6601]

I hope this spectacular celebration of a change in local government will be appropriate for November 2020.

[@hemiolaguy]

Amen and amen!

[@nirkafri6499]

So Good!!!!!!

[@marziocavallucci3831]

Stupenda esecuzione, non ci sono parole per lodare la Netherlands Bach Society ed il suo direttore Veldhoven. Mi immagino il Sommo Bach nascosto in qualche angolo ad ascoltarvi. In vita, con l'organico di San Tommaso, non credo che realizzasse delle esecuzioni migliori!

[@notaire2]

Brillante und wunderschöne Aufführung dieser perfekt komponierten Kantate mit gut harmonisierten und perfekt synchronisierten Tönen aller historischen Instrumente sowie herrlichen Stimmen aller genialen Solisten und perfekt vereinigten Stimmen des ausgezeichneten Chors. Der intelligente Maestro dirigiert das ausgezeichnete Ensemble im gut analysierten Tempo und mit sorgfältig kontrollierter Dynamik. Alles ist erstklassig!

[@josemariacuedejuana813]

Greatness!

[@antonellabaluganti8109]

Bellissima sinfonia che dio vi benedica tutti

[@orofilaperez-li8lt]

Genial 🎉

[@MG-fh4ed]

Wunderbar

[@javierperez6774]

4:35 !!! taaa tan tan tannnnnn!!! wonderfulll

[@albrechtkling4213]

0:08 Chorus Preise, Jerusalem, den Herrn TROMBONE 6:38 Wohl Dir, Du Volk der Linden OBOI DI CACCIA 10:39 So herrlich stehst du, liebe Stadt OBOI DI CACCIA 15:33 Rezitativ & Chorus Der Herr hat Guts an uns getan TROMBONE 22:56 Choral. Hilf Deinem Volk, Herr Jesu Christ

[@aarondyer.pianist]

I've been listening to all Bach cantatas starting at BWV 1. There are truly remarkable works in them. BWV 119 is masterfully crafted and stuff. But from about BWV 105 onward I've been entranced by the level of inspiration in Bach's writing. That element is just not there for me in this work. But I trust the new town council was gratified by it.

[@pietarimajuri9753]

In my honest opinion, the BWV order is not the ideal for listening to the cantatas, since the numbers are quite arbitrary at times. I've been listening as close as possible to the chronological order of their creation. At least at the beginning the evolution of the cantatas is inspiring.

[@aarondyer.pianist]

@@pietarimajuri9753 That's a very good point. My reason for listening to them in this way is two-fold: First I cataloged them in Excel just to familiarize myself with the body of work and how it corresponded to the liturgical calendar and they are in BWV order there; second, I listen while I work, so I can more easily keep track of what's next if I do it in BWV order. What I could do it just sort my worksheet by date of premier. It would be interesting to see how it sounds that way. Thanks for mentioning it!

[@antonellabaluganti8109]

Meravigliosi

[@andreaskonig451]

@Netherland Bach Society: I truly love the four trumpets, but is that the original score? Bach viewed the three trumpets as emblematic of trinity, as much as he viewed the single trumpet a symbol of the divine voice (chatzozerah or shofar, according to the old testament), or as in the ascension cantata, Jesus.

[@bach]

The original score does indeed ask for four trumpets, which is quite special for Bach's music. Cantata 63 also requires four trumpets.

[@andreaskonig451]

@@bach Thank you very much indeed. Yes, this is interesting - perhaps a sign for the "wordly" character of the cantata. Truly a great performance, especially by the trumpeters. Thank you again and kudos on your great endeavor.

[@fooxtrot]

4:47 like not Bach... :) Great! Thanks a lot

[@johntaliaferrothompson6052]

Netherland Bach Society what kind of Double Bass is that? It's looks like a cello. May I request an introduction video about that Double Bass in the video?

[@JamesCamienMcGuiggan]

It's a bass viol.

[@tobiasstudtheol]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWSQn3SNo5d4fpo The Violon (bas de violon) is a bass instrument of the viol family which is deeper than the bass viol. Mister Franenberg is describing it here on a video of the same ensemble (BWV 75). The Violon was the most important instrument in Baroque orchestras but apparently, due to the Cellist Nikolaus Harnoncourt, it isn't found as often anymore. Depending in time and location the violon had 4-6 strings.

[@johntaliaferrothompson6052]

@@tobiasstudtheol That one isn't the Basso Da Gamba(Bass Viol) is Basso Da Braccio(Bass Violin) we called it the Violone.

[@tobiasstudtheol]

@@johntaliaferrothompson6052, I have to disagree. Based on the historical accounts I know, if you talk about a Violone it's abass instrument of the viol family. Although, and that I admit, there are certain weird models that look like a big "cello which are still built by viol luthiers.

[@johntaliaferrothompson6052]

@@tobiasstudtheol I just found in wikipedia. Wikipedia say Violin & Viol family is in a different family. So Bass Violin & Double Bass are different(the body shape didn't same).

[@johnbrazier6503]

What a tutti of tooties!

[@robertmuller5807]

Overwhelming.

[@jorgeurzuaurzua4011]

This splendid music seems Handel rather than good old JSB!

[@herrickinman9303]

What's the point of such comparisons? Is Handel supposed to be the gold standard?

[@jorgeurzuaurzua4011]

@@herrickinman9303 I apologize if my comment was obscure. I only thought that this beautiful cantata had the majestic military sonorities of the royal court of England, represented so well by Handel. No comparison intended. I just reviewed the liturgical cantatas of Bach and the difference with Preise Jerusalem den Herrn was so huge. There are no gold standards in music, or in any other art. There are no gold standards among us humans. Beauty is not quantifiable.

[@ednimed8034]

Indeed, it is "a town council inauguration cantata", not a "usual" circumstance for Bach's cantatas. Not sure if Bach had access to some of Handel's ceremonial music at the time (he had access at some level to his opera music later), but we can sure both of them had knowledge of previous French, Italian and German music for official circumstances (+ English music for Handel of course). Could be interesting to see what Telemann had already produced at the time for such circumstances for instance.

[@herrickinman9303]

Bach had been composing "ceremonial" and congratulory music since Muehlhausen (1706). Handel didn't invent the genre. Where do you suppose Handel got his ideas for ceremonial music? Bach hardly needed to look to Handel for models. Don't assume that because you think a piece by Bach sounds like Handel, that Bach must have been inspired by Handel. (I'm not saying you made that assumption.)

[@ednimed8034]

​@@herrickinman9303, if you don't say I made that assumption, why do you answer that then? ;-) Nevertheless, you seem to have some great reluctance only to start to think Bach could have been inspired by Handel or considered his music as model (not for this cantata, this is quite clear), I wonder why since it is known Bach was very interested (to say the least) in a lot of other composers's music, including Handel.

[@fiorenzointagliata3252]

16.34

[@2006bach]

Bach Espectacular!!!!!