Backstabbed By Mormon Missionaries, My Personal Confession...And A Clown - JLLDS #16

[@tripezius1]

Winger brought me here. Glad he did. So many lessons in this story. Thank you for sharing it.

[@JLLDS]

Thank you for taking the time to watch. God bless!

[@danthechristian6097]

I’m now three years into my Christian walk and it’s been a sobering experience for me to realize just how much the LDS despise, ridicule, and slander Jesus and Christianity. They get angry when they hear that Jesus is the uncreated creator in the flesh. On my LDS mission our mission president instructed us to avoid people who want to discuss the Bible, because they are “contentious” and of the devil. I wrote once in my mission journal that “they can take their Bible and go to hell”-the hell I didn’t believe existed. In hindsight, I think the few Christians I met on my mission were really the only people who ever really cared about my soul.

[@JLLDS]

Hey brother. Thanks for the comment. Would you be willing to connect with me over on Facebook Messenger? I'd like to talk about the possibility of you coming on my channel for an interview if you are willing.

[@randoms7113]

I served an LDS mission in 01-03. It’s true! We were told not to engage in other Christian groups and talk about the Bible. They were of the devil. It’s weird because it’s like we went after people who weren’t well educated in Scriptures. The mentality is that because the church is true, the devil works harder to lead others away from the LDS faith. I left the church and I’m still respectful yet to many in the church I’m sinful and wicked and the devil has me. If ever you want to question if you are in a bad religion, see how they react when you try to leave it. I read the Bible still but I’m not in any denomination.

[@KristinaUSA-x5n]

@@JLLDSI had a lot of different religions in my family and once the Mormon website was hacked it got more stressful.

[@MitchellClark10]

@danthechristian6097 - I would be willing to bet my life this didn't happen. This sounds nothing like how Mormons talk.... and if it DID happen, you guys were the exception.

[@KristinaUSA-x5n]

@@MitchellClark10 That is gaslighting.

[@whychristianity7526]

Winger brought we here as well! I actually had a similar experience when a couple missionaries knocked on my door and referred me to a friend who ended up being the LDS apologist Travis Anderson. We actually had a fairly pleasant conversation, though I was not exactly happy to later find out that the conversation had been recorded and posted without my knowledge. It would have been nice to have at least gotten a heads-up about their intentions. The Cavalry can definitely learn a thing or two from you on how to be honest and courteous in that regard.

[@JLLDS]

Hey brother. Thank you for your time and sharing your experience with me. Can I ask: was your interaction with Travis in the last month or two? Or did it occur a number of months ago?

[@whychristianity7526]

​@@JLLDSMy conversation with Travis happened around early August so it has been about 2 and half months. I have had subsequent discussions with him in the comment section on his channel. I would love to have another Skype conversation with him now that I know more fully who he is and his typical line of argumentation.

[@JLLDS]

@@whychristianity7526 Gotcha. So Mormon-ish released their episode exposing the Cavalry on July 25th, 2024. To me it has been noticeable how Travis went into damage control and has really tried to be much more pleasant and courteous since then when the cameras are on.

[@TA-jb4ke]

​@JLLDS , Travis isn't in "damage control". The discussions he's release are 2 or three years old.

[@jasonbonnell786]

God bless you brother. I’ve had some similar experiences with some LDS members. The temptation was there to react back to their slander in like fashion but I was reminded of Jesus’s words to bless instead of curse. Just want to encourage you as a fellow brother in Christ. God loves you, he has his hand on your life. He’ll turn everything together for your good. I pray that it comes back around to deal a giant blow to the kingdom of darkness, to your benefit and for the glory God’s great name.

[@JLLDS]

Amen, brother. Thank you so much for your encouragement and support. God bless!

[@lightUPdarkness316]

I’ve worked with Mormons and thought they were very kind people. However you’ve stepped into enemy territory (our enemy is not other people, Ephesians 6:12) you will be attacked, but sometimes training comes with boots on the ground. Confessing your mistakes with love and humility may have more impact than if all this had never happened. God can use any situation to call people to Himself, and when believers are submitted to Him we sometimes get to be involved. Praying🙏 for you brother. Keep running the race that is set before you❤

[@oliveoilchic]

On the surface, this is true.

[@JLLDS]

I really appreciate the Scripture and the encouragement! God bless!

[@Sldejo]

I live next to some LDS. The Lord gave me a chance to speak Biblical Truth to them about 15 years ago. I asked Jesus to give the wife understanding. He did. I'll never forget the way she said, "Oh!" After I read Isaiah 43:10; 44:6-8. And after that the entire family started shunning me. They built a 25ft chicken cage and got a rooster. They placed that thing under our bedroom window in a fairly new residential neighborhood. I didn't sleep for 9 days. I prayed for the farm animals to go away. God used the city codes and the HOA to get the animals away. I have been told that I was a subject in that household for a while. I have been threatened with litigation to stop going door-to-door by them. Since I live in America, that came to nothing. I still pray for this family to repent and turn to Christ.

[@JLLDS]

That's great that you are consistently looking for open doors to share the gospel, my friend. Keep up the good work!

[@MamallamaLinda]

I'm pretty sure one of the questions missionaries have to answer before being allowed to go on a mission is something like, Are you honest in all your dealings. And yet here they are being dishonest to avoid facing the truth that they either don't know about or refuse to believe.

[@JLLDS]

You are correct! The 9th question in their temple recommend interview is: Do you strive to be honest in all that you do? I also find this conflictive and ironic. Thank you for your time and your thoughts!

[@outof_obscurity]

19:30 oh man. 🤦🏻‍♂️ this is awful. Sorry to hear you met someone like this. I have a family member diagnosed as a clinical narcissist. Many signs here of that going on. Sorry to hear.

[@BrianWaller-qe7gr]

I got ghosted by one of my missionaries. They just completely ghosted me then blocked me on facebook. Two years later I’m just still speechless

[@JLLDS]

Any idea why?

[@BrianWaller-qe7gr]

@@JLLDS I have a few theories. When she was here I got vibes that there may have been some romantic interest. Eye contact, compliments, body language. My first theory is she talked herself out of pursuing anything or she allowed someone else to talk her out of it since there’s an obvious age gap, or she’s dealing with a faith crisis, or she wasn’t interested at all and I completely read things wrong, or she wasn’t ready to date. I didn’t know at the time but found out later she lost her dad at a very young age. So girls brought up by a single mom are typically emotionally immature especially when it comes to the opposite gender. And here’s a bit of a controversial theory. I did notice one day in church she was acting strange by keep shifting crossing and uncrossing her legs. As a convert and no stranger to that age I guess she was having feelings that she felt ashamed of since any thoughts of sexual arousal is heavily frowned upon in the church. But whatever the reason two years later there’s been no contact so I did what you should do which is moved on. If she ever reaches out it’s very unlikely i will respond. I really thought there was a connection there and her ghosting me really took its toll on me emotionally and not going to subject myself to hurt again. I put my heart on the line multiple times over the years and been burned every time. So I’m done. I retired from dating.

[@JLLDS]

@@BrianWaller-qe7gr I am sorry to hear that. It sounds rough. Keep your head up, brother. I'm unsure where you are at spiritually, but I believe God is still good regardless of the situations life throws at us.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"Two years later I’m just still speechless" That is why writing is much better at times.

[@suzannestultz9243]

This is pretty interesting since Latter Day Saints say they revere the Bible too. But of course it is a conditional reverence as long as it can support their interpretations. And to be honest, we all have cognative dissonance when it comes to what the Bible truly says and what we were taught along the way. The missionary program is both admirable and insidious. I can only pray that once a young person is out of the program and living a real life that some of them will see who Jesus really is, their God and Savior. We need to keep sharing the good news of Jesus with everyone.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"Latter Day Saints say they revere the Bible too" I suppose it depends on *which* bible. I use the King James version. I suppose almost any will do, but there are differences. "comes to what the Bible truly says" It says many things. Thou shall not kill, except everyone in Canaan. Thou shall not bear false witness, unless you are Abraham misrepresenting your wife.

[@JLLDS]

Amen! Thank you for your time and your thoughts, sister!

[@outof_obscurity]

🤦🏻‍♂️Oh boy. Sorry you went through this. No one has perfect member's that's why we need a savior. You and I have talked about speaking on the phone. I'm OK with recording the call for accountability. I definitely know you're not an anti-christ 😂. We've spoken enough. You're a good guy who genuinely cares about people's salvation.

[@JLLDS]

I appreciate that, brother. It means a lot.

[@gracew4194]

The greatest kindness you can do for a Mormon missionary is to tell them the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ and expose the lies of Joseph Smith.

[@JLLDS]

Amen. So true. Thank you for your time and your thoughts here :) God bless!

[@melz3671]

So they inform you that your state is a one-party consent State and then proceed to record the conversation that they asked you not to record.... Wow!!!!

[@JLLDS]

haha yup! You got it. Thank you for your time. God bless!

[@kathybj]

I wish you would interview (well known Mormon since The Chosen began) Derral Eves. He does say he is a Christian but deep in his Mormon faith.

[@sarahpfeuffer1396]

Thank you for this video. That was beautiful

[@JLLDS]

Thank you for your time and encouragement! God bless!

[@hdhenderson5785]

Say his name. Travis Anderson lol.

[@TheYgds]

Yeah, we know what went down....LOL! I'll be waiting to hear the other side of this if it was Travis or Robert.

[@jessicac6787]

Yeah, I knew right away. It was Travis Ryan Anderson!

[@Toothnut_Hamsterfolder]

Can't wait for the next installment. Subbed!

[@JLLDS]

I appreciate the support. Thank you!!!

[@bornagain2121]

When you stand for the Truth of God's Word that is why you will be targeted. This is what Jesus told us. Keep standing for the Truth

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"Keep standing for the Truth" Perhaps I am cynical, but so many claims of "truth" suggest that it isn't. "Truth of God's Word" Gods word, should you ever actually hear it, is probably always true. Words printed in a book, well, maybe.

[@JLLDS]

Thank you for your time and encouragement! I really appreciate it :)

[@MemeingInTheMadness]

Matthew 5:11-12 (NKJV) 11 “Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 “Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great [is] your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

[@JLLDS]

Thank you for the encouraging Scripture! I really appreciate it. God bless!

[@403902]

I find it really interesting that at 11:00 the "Cavalry" post contains those hashtags, which are not merely ironic but actually placed after "thanks," in the place where one would normally place their own name or titles.

[@JLLDS]

Haha I never made that connection but I agree. That is ironic. Thank you for your time and thoughts!

[@bornagain2121]

The Lord Jesus said blessed are those who go through theses things for His name sake. And that we will be slandered and hated because of Him

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"And that we will be slandered and hated because of Him" Is there any religious group in North America more slandered and hated than the Mormons?

[@christiaanvosloo1999]

Mike Winger liked seeing your cat a lot too😂

[@JLLDS]

Haha That's right! He is totally a cat person, isn't he!

[@myrajackson-rain5483]

Beloved brother, Lucifer wears many hats and has many faces… you have been attacked by Satan, no doubt… stand firm in your faith, young man, and believe Jesus is with you in all ways you believe… I am so sorry this happened… rebuke all evil around you, in Jesus’s Name, and continue to stand firm…much love from Florida panhandle… live in love and abide in faith… 💜🙏❤️🙏

[@JLLDS]

Thank you for your time and encouragement! God bless!

[@Shrtrund]

This definitely sounds like a horrible situation that started with an uninformed and undisciplined faith and also with planning on the missionaries end. But that’s how 18-20 year olds are. As for “Dave” there’s always going to be predators that use people. It’s really unfortunate that people are out there like that in such large numbers. As a member for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints I would be happy to talk to you at some point about what you would like to discuss. I’m not a missionary though. It just really seems terrible that you were looking for something that would be so great for everyone and it didn’t work out. I hope that you can find more luck with church members that are much more helpful for the cause of being cooperative no matter the difference in denomination.

[@JLLDS]

I'd be happy to connect. Feel free to send me a DM on Facebook!

[@Shrtrund]

@@JLLDS sounds good. I’m a busy dude but some point in the next few days I’ll send something your way

[@Skyesoceaneyes]

This is so disappointing. I am sorry that you had this experience. I am very confident that the vast majority of LDS missionaries would not do this. I hope you'll have better experiences in the future.

[@JLLDS]

I appreciate that. I am with you that the majority of LDS missionaries aren't like this. Thank you for your time!

[@Venom-33381]

Hey homie I really enjoyed the episode and I will subscribe. Ok hear me out you may not be aware. You have representation of the fallen angels on the wall behind you, Capt. Shield, Spidey mask, and Thor's Hammer. I myself wouldn't display them especially next to the cross. But hey you do you. I'm not going to be bothered if you don't take them down. I just wanted you to have the info if you didn't already. God bless you brother.

[@JLLDS]

Thank you for your time and support. I also appreciate your transparent comment. I can tell that you are coming from a place of genuine concern for me. When I first started my KZbin channel, I wanted to be my genuine self. Lots of people have books shelves behind them, but that's just not me. I'm a Marvel nerd and a Jesus freak. To me, they are just fun decorations that make up my background and tell viewers a little bit about my interests. And I know that not all believers are on the same page with me on that. But again, I sincerely do appreciate your honesty. God bless!

[@harambeboy]

Travis didn’t post your conversation on his channel?

[@JLLDS]

Nope. It wasn't "worthy" enough. He posted it in the Cavalry group, but not on his channel. You'll see why after I post the response video this Friday.

[@TA-jb4ke]

​@JLLDS , I didn't post our discussion because you became so unhinged afterwards and thought you might have a meltdown. It appears you still haven't let it go.

[@JLLDS]

@@TA-jb4ke Thanks for stopping by and sharing your thoughts. Hope you are doing well.

[@missionarydiscussions1286]

​@JLLDS , they aren't you thoughts, they're what actually happened as opposed to this BS you produced.

[@harambeboy]

Dave is Travis Anderson

[@TA-jb4ke]

He's also Ryan, which is a real name.

[@ilovemyboyfriend5425]

awwwww kitty!!!

[@JLLDS]

haha Yes, Nala wanted to say "hi" to all of you :)

[@ilovemyboyfriend5425]

@@JLLDS awwwww

[@minimalistact7246]

You know I have learned that every situation that happens is just neutral. It’s neither good or bad that being said this situation might’ve turned bad because you wanted to talk good about them, and for them to be treated right but maybe God is telling you their teachings are not correct by the treatment you got.🤔 So pretty much it went the opposite to not trust them. I know you got upset, but we are not perfect. Nobody is but only Jesus.

[@JLLDS]

Thank you for your time and thoughts, my friend! God bless!

[@davediaz1742]

I’m slightly offended by this video

[@minimalistact7246]

😂😂😂

[@JLLDS]

hahaha I'm so sorry, bro. But your comment made me laugh out loud. God bless!

[@grufzar2213]

As a lds member, Sounds like the missionaries got played by dave just as much as you did. Im sorry about your experience. Dave is being a dingus

[@JLLDS]

I appreciate your comment, my friend! God bless!

[@TA-jb4ke]

Except what Paul stated is a lie.

[@JLLDS]

@@TA-jb4ke Still praying for God to bless you, Travis.

[@TA-jb4ke]

@@JLLDS, but your god isn't real, but good luck with that.

[@nicholassmith9783]

I just watched your debate with Connor, and with what you've also confessed in this video, I can see why "David" was so assertive with you. While it's nice that you're not being outride rude regarding your interactions with LDS members, you still use the same tactics and approach as the rude protestants. They are: Defining LDS faith for the LDS member based on Protestant presuppositions, using negative case building against the LDS faith to somehow prove your point, and assuming your presuppositions are correct without proving they are. As someone who's had many conversations with protestants, regardless of how nice it's put, it's still bad arguments that completely derail the topic and make it circular and frustrating for both sides. What's even more interesting, is that what you call "arguing" is us challenging your presuppositions, which is where the discussion should be happening. Yet, that's also where yall are at your weakest, which is why I'm not surprised you got combative with Dave. Instead, you'd rather talk with young, impressionable missionaries who aren't aware of the nuances of interfaith dialogue, where you can control the dialog, instead of them pushing back against preconcieved assumptions you enter the discussion with. Thank goodness there are peopl like "Dave" who are teaching the missionaries these sort of things so they don't end up wasting their time on pointless bible bashes. Also, the missionaries are to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to the world and find those willing to listen and act on their message. For people like you, that's where members like me, "Dave," and Connor come in. We're more than happy to shoot the breeze diacussing theology, the missionaries don't have time for that.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"the missionaries don't have time for that." YES! That's it exactly and one reason for choosing *young* men and women to do the searching and preaching. The typical 19 year old cannot bash the bible, wrest scripture and so on. I can; but I think besides some entertainment nothing ever came of it, AND YET, at times it seems appropriate. Jesus did not explain to Pontius Pilate; there was no one to teach. Jesus taught the Pharisees; but they did not learn -- he taught because of an audience. Here, in KZbin comments, is a HUGE audience and so some good old fashioned seemingly pointless bible bashing made be just the thing.

[@colewhite3098]

Agreed.

[@whychristianity7526]

The problem is that the "informed" LDS members involved in the group completely destroy the LDS faith by how they argue. So, I am not sure how edifying and faith building it is for the missionaries.Sure, from a debate tactic standpoint, using common atheist arguments against the reliability of the Biblical text is going to through a lot of protestants for a loop. Especially since Protestants generally assume most LDS members see the Bible as sacred scripture. However, if the "informed" LDS member applies the same kind of critical look at the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith's other works, then it becomes very clear Joseph Smith's works fare far worse than the Biblical Texts. If people like "Dave" and Travis Anderson want to go down a more critical road when it comes to the Biblical text, then they should well consider what that means for how they view the Book of Mormon and where that will lead if they want to actually have a strong, consistent argument against protestant critics of the LDS faith. I have read the entire Book of Mormon, and I knew the text had major problems within the first 10 chapters when I stumbled upon a New Testament textual variant created by the church father Origen who lived in the 3rd century A.D. that apparently is cited by Lehi around the 5th century BC. Such textual problems demonstrate we are not talking about an authentic ancient account when it comes to the Book of Mormon, but more likely something that is totally a product of Joseph Smith's own mind.

[@BrendaStarr-c6m]

You lost me at "the trinity is in the Bible" .. it isn't. I don't think we should be teaching children about something not explicitly found in the biblical text.

[@outof_obscurity]

Anti Christ's teach there is no Christ 😂. You definitely teach there is a Christ 😂😂😂

[@BrendaStarr-c6m]

I don't see any problem with this. Missionaries have rules. "Dave" as .. well, not a missionary .. does not have to abide by rules because he isn't a missionary- right? A member of the church has every right to record a call and also remain anonymous, for their own privacy,. Also is it possible "ryan" is his middle name? Just wondering. It seems like you don't understand the purpose of missionaries. They share their beliefs and invite people to read the book of Mormon. Beyond that, they bring in church members when people such as yourself have questions beyond the scope of what young missionaries are out there to do, and beyond their scope of knowledge. You seem to want to "collect" missionaries. I'm just curious why you clearly contact Mormon missionaries constantly. I don't get what the hyperfocus is all about. Just go live your life. You are giving yourself grace for pretending to be a missionary (that's pretty bad) while being upset about a member using a different name to simply remain anonymous. So i guess (for me anyway) this feels really petty and unnecessary and still bothering you. Move on. Life is too short.

[@JLLDS]

The main point of this video is warn other Christians to be aware of this potential situation. Now, it's been done and I'm looking forward to what lies ahead. For what it's worth, your opinion as expressed in your comment leaves you in the vast minority on this topic. There have been many other members who severely disagree with "Dave" and his actions. They are embarrassed to be classified in the same Church as someone as un-Christlike as him. Your unique comment leads me to believe that you must be a member of the Cavalry.

[@SpaceMason_02]

Cavalry FB group member here. 1- You have no clue what the Cavalry is and neither do RFM, Rebecca Bibliotecha, or Mormonish. That episode was laughably inaccurate, and so was the follow-up they did. 2- I've heard that recorded call and "Ryan" was absolutely correct in his characterization of you. 3- "Ryan" has never once referred to himself as a scholar and he rejects attempts to label him that way. When we refer to Cavalry "scholars," we mean people like RB, BS, SS, CB, SA, BG, etc, who have relevant expertise, degrees, or have published work in their fields.

[@whychristianity7526]

Why not post the scholars names so we can look up their credentials? My guess is that SS refers to Steven Smoot who is an egyptologist. However his view that there was an Egyptian script being used in pre Columbian America is not shared by mainstream egyptologists, so he is a fringe scholar. Most scholars would find the idea of a thriving semitic civilization in the pre Columbian America's to be laughable. So, it probably is not in the best interest of LDS apologists to appeal to scholarship.

[@markkrispin6944]

Cavalry groups are losers

[@SpaceMason_02]

@@AvadenSV Happy to oblige. 1-The origins of the Cavalry, alleged "secrecy" about the group, alleging that the group is "rogue," that participation in the group breaks missionary conduct rules, that the admins of the group are predatory in some sense, (a baffling 180 here) that the group is controlled or puppeteered by the Church, that it's a "bashing" group whose approach is contrary to church teachings, etc. 2- No shame, just an attempt to avoid doxxing. Anyone who knows LDS scholarship will know the initials, anyone who doesn't... doesn't really enough to complain about anything. 3- Absolutely not true. That's a weirdly persistent myth.

[@SpaceMason_02]

@@whychristianity7526 Are you referring to his belief in a historical Book of Mormon, and therefore a "reformed" Egyptian script? If so, sure, I guess. Every egyptologist or ANE historian with faith convictions holds views that aren't "mainstream" though. Having personal religious convictions which don't affect published scholarship is irrelevant to whether someone is a legitimate scholar- which Stephen is.

[@SpaceMason_02]

@@AvadenSV Regarding #3, I didn't say I approved of Ryan hiding his identity, nor of the missionaries doing it. "Lying for the Lord" doesn't need to be an institutionally accepted practice for some members and kids to do it. Regarding #2, there's no "need." I just didn't ask them if I could name drop them and it feels rude to do that. Most are very public in other ways and the Cavalry attracts a lot of negative attention these days. "Ryan's" had internet whackos try to get him fired, among other example of harassment. It's a simple courtesy.

[@markkrispin6944]

I deleted my Facebook account years ago. Way too many weirdoes on it.