Bad Christian Arguments...And How I Respond to Them

[@michaelsbeverly]

One point on the Kalam, they say "everything that _begins_ to exist" not everything _that_ exists. Still a bad argument, for a bunch of reasons, like fine tuning and such, all create paradoxes and other failures in logic and/or special pleading.

[@jezebelvibes]

That's fair! Thanks for pointing that out!

[@Stupidityindex]

Believers begin their crimes like Moses, becoming history's worst navigator, as if travel were best done with one foot in fantasyland.

[@AnonymousWon-uu5yn]

It's good to force people into the type of existence that they might hate to exist in, correct?

[@s1rJinx]

If there is a failure in logic, does that imply that logic is absolute?

[@NoeticMike]

I like your videos. Personally I had a lot less deconstructing then you did despite my being a bible studier as a Christian for ~40 yrs. We did not believe in hell torture, satan/devils, immortal souls, etc. it was much harder to leave, as we didn't believe in the crazy stuff the average Christian did. What helped me leave was the horrid god with multiple personalities. Realizing this got me to think about all I knew and how insane it was. I found out that the whole Christian faith is based on a mistranslation from the Greek Septuagent. You probably know where I mean, Jesus was not prophesied to be born of a virgin, the Hebrew says young woman. That was changed when translated to Greek (in Hebrew the word used in reference to prostitute, obviously not a virgin). Thanks again and keep up the great work!! PS: I befriended a Christian who is also an atheist. She doesn't take the bible literally. Just the morally correct portions attributable to the man.

[@Trefane]

I’m completely comfortable saying “I don’t know and neither do you.”

[@JimCastleberry]

Yeah, that's lazy. The problem is what we DO know is vastly more compatible with theism than atheism.

[@Izzy-cp8yt]

​@@JimCastleberry no, we don't KNOW that. Theists THINK that, and refuse to respect those of us who choose not to play along without reasonable evidence.

[@Trefane]

@@JimCastleberry Theism is just filling in answers without justification. Kalam isn't an answer, it's word play making untestable assertions. At least physicists who propose hypotheses about the beginning of the universe don't have the hubris to claim they know with 100% certainty. Theists claim certainty without knowing. It's hubris of the highest order.

[@JediMasterEzio]

@@JimCastleberry , it's not "lazy", it's honest. It's THE most honest answer one can give. No one knows if a God exists. Some people believe one does, some people believe one doesn't, and there are people who withhold belief until they are convinced of one or the other. But, all that centers around belief, and not knowing.

[@JediMasterEzio]

@@Trefane , well said.

[@roc5291]

What I usually see is when believers come into an argument and they immediately start becoming self referential, trying to “prove” the Bible by simply quoting it. Then, if that fails, we all get to play a rousing round of: Christian Excuse Patrol Bingo. Your common excuses are…. 1. You’re reading THAT text out of context. 2. You’re going to the wrong denomination. 3. You’re reading the wrong interpretation of the Bible. 4. You’re not REALLY believing in God/Jesus with all your heart. 5. When God does it, it’s NOT evil. 6. You just need to have faith. 7. Just look around you at world events, it proves the Bible is real. 8. It sounds like you have some things on your heart that you haven’t asked forgiveness for and THAT is why you haven’t received blessings. 9. You just secretly just want to sin. 10. You were never a TRUE Christian. 11. Atheism is just another religion. 12. You’re just mad at God. 13. If you stopped believing in God, what’s stopping you from committing horrible actions against people? 14. Wouldn’t it be better to just believe in case you’re wrong? 15. That was Old Testament so it doesn’t count. And of course, if all else fails. “That’s fine, you’re going to go to hell then”. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

[@areuaware6842]

The Bible is Satan's book, he is the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

[@garystapp1656]

While you are correct not all of these are true but in some unbelievers minds at least one or more of these is true.

[@Mortalnomad]

What is your standard for evil?

[@roc5291]

@@garystapp1656 And a proud member of the Christian excuse patrol arrives, as expected.

[@roc5291]

@@Mortalnomad Oh no no no. Christians are the ones making the claim. YOU provide evidence to back it up. Pro tip: Quoting the Bible does NOT prove the Bible.

[@JosephHewes-mm1bc]

It's very simple to say, I don't have to know the origin of the universe, to reject the Christian claim. And leave it at that.

[@jezebelvibes]

Absolutely!

[@JimCastleberry]

Intellectual laziness is very simple. Unfortunately, the evidence points to the necessity of a Creator/designer.

[@terrycoye3373]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@JimCastleberry I’ve seen lots of evidence of things created by thinking agents and also things not created by thinking agents, so I don’t see how intentional design is necessary for all things that exist.

[@PrinceKoffe]

​@JimCastleberry insults with made up phrases and platitudes are far easier, your comment being an example

[@voidakolimbodagan8794]

@@JimCastleberryLet’s put it this way. If i had all knowledge in the universe and had the capacity to execute that knowledge without any sacrifice of my own, then why is the natural laws so complex and based on a number of factors? When you make a computer for coding, you only make the gadgets that do coding and things like water being spilled or stepping on the computer chip don’t count because they are not inherent into the coding. If that is the case, why would an all knowing, all powerful being make the universe complex if it has the capability to achieve greater simplicity. It’s different to us because there’s things that we must sacrifice but to the creator there is no sacrifice of its own, making the creator very illogical to not have done it. It’s either arrogant or stupid.

[@johnspringstorm4764]

I grew up Amish - it was hard to deconstruct; I once had guilt, worried about hell. Your videos helped me know that there isn't a hell. Now i see Christian manipulation.

[@jezebelvibes]

I'm so happy you found freedom for your self ❤️

[@unoriginalclips9923]

There is a hell. Perhaps not the Amish interpretation of it though. That one exists strictly for fear-mongering…😂

[@unoriginalclips9923]

@Брацки Definitely isn’t the type of society for introverts, true! 😂 I can agree with you on that one

[@redmage5251]

@@unoriginalclips9923 yeah there is a hell. two actually: one in michigan and one in norway

[@br.m]

No you don't see. Many Amish are not actually Christian. Most are cultists with twisted doctrines of demons.

[@eccod]

Christianity is like a gym membership that makes it super easy to sign up on the website, but you have to jump through a million hoops to cancel, so you keep giving them money without using their services.

[@jezebelvibes]

Oh my god this is so true 😄

[@mattpowell6291]

It's actually not easy to become a true Christian if you've ever read what Jesus said 🤦‍♂️

[@ig.gui_s]

@@mattpowell6291 *what was written using his words* Religion is a human constructed concept, therefore you need to follow rules implemented by humans (using his alleged words) to be a part of that. So, yes, it´s pretty easy to be a Christian follow the rules and have faith in someone or something you can´t see. Basically be delusional and build hope.

[@mattpowell6291]

@@ig.gui_s Follow rules? Clearly you have no idea what Christianity is. When you accept Jesus and repent of your sins, you begin to understand what loving your neighbor means. Its a complete heart change, caring for one another. Nothing to do with rules as you can't earn salvation as a Christian. Hope you've learnt something

[@ig.gui_s]

@@mattpowell6291 Excuse me? I was forced into christianity my whole life. I know how to love my neighbour because thats who I am I love everyone and respect everyone you are in no position to say that following jesus is the only way to achieve that, thats just ignorant. You think you can be a Christian without following rules are you that delusional? religion is a human concept again there is no way of escaping that. But sure you if you believe commiting sins and then "repenting" for them will do something go ahead im pretty sure I hold way more knowladge about religion than you but I will let you ride the delusional train. Something you gain about being Ex-Christian is understanding both sides and having an open mind which im sorry to break it to you, you´re unable to do so. I would love to be Christian however I dont go by the rules (Jesus "word"), I accept him but he doesnt accept me for what I am a guy that prayed 10 years for his sexuality to go away, still very much alive.

[@Finckelstein]

Yeah, isn't it funny how they think that we have to justify our atheism by having in depth knowledge of biology, cosmology, physics, chemistry, epistemology, hermeneutics, history and even geology. But for them to be christians all they have to do is believe in an ancient book written by people who didn't know where the sun went at night.

[@wardraven8755]

The book isn’t ancient anymore due to the government editing it to the point only 20% of it is true to the original. So it’s a book of fiction.

[@mattpowell6291]

You're getting confused with Islam 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@user-k4d-e59mo28oc]

@@mattpowell6291 Allah's Caveman Pedo-Prophet stole and appropriated from Judeo-Christians: *Joshua 10.12-13; 20* “On the day the Lord gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the Lord: 'Sun, *STAND STILL* over Gibeon, and you, moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.' So the *Sun* _STOOD STILL,_ and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies . . . So Joshua and the Israelites defeated them completely, but a few survivors managed to reach their fortified cities.” *Qur’an 36.38* “The _sun_ TRAVELS for its fixed term. That is the design of the Almighty, All-Knowing.” *Qur'an 31:29* “Do you not see that Allah has subjected the sun and the moon, _each_ ORBITING for an appointed term, and that Allah is All-Aware of what you do?” *Qur'an 13:3* “It is He who spread the Earth…” *Qur'an 15:19* “The Earth, we have spread it…” *Qur'an 20:53* “Who has made for you the Earth as a bed...” *Qur'an 43:10* “made the earth as a bed . . .” *Qur'an 50:7* “The Earth, we spread it out . . .” *Qur'an 51:48* “And we have spread out the Earth...” *Qur'an 78:6* “Have we not made the Earth a bed?” *Qur'an 79:30* “After that, He Spread the Earth.” *Qur'an 3:151* “We will cast t____r into the hearts of those who deny the Truth”

[@terrencelockett4072]

Yea, that's always one of the most dishonest tactics theists try to use. We have to have advanced knowledge of all these fields, and yet they just get to either misunderstand all these fields and make stuff up, or just fill in any gaps where they can't explain anything, with god.

[@carlisroy6666]

Yes, and even when it comes to disproving other gods, the same energy isn't there that they expect of anyone who rejects their specific god.

[@mikepublic111]

I believe in leprechauns because no one has ever shown me evidence that they don't exist.

[@mattpowell6291]

@@mikepublic111 Do you live in Ireland?

[@unoriginalclips9923]

Wow never heard that one before

[@2138Dude]

The same way as Zeus or Poseidon existed ( or still exist). Can you prove they don't exist?

[@2138Dude]

@@brianmichael9397 Im still waiting for someone to show me the god ( that one from the bible). I used an example with Poseidon the same way the OP used the leprechaun. If there is god, where is he? Why did he appear in the year 0 AD and not before? Bible us just the same human-made myth as other holy books before the Bible

[@Damoclz]

@@brianmichael9397 and what makes you think the Bible exists?

[@hamobu]

"you don't know enough to question the Bible. You are not a biblical scholar" Bart Erman clears his throat.

[@brenatevi]

Bart Erhman is the best. :) As a former believer, I still find the Bible fascinating, and Bart educates me on it without trying to make me feel like I need to be a Christian again.

[@garystapp1656]

As a Christ follower people do have a right to question the bible. Not being a biblical scholar is a good reason to question the bible. You have to realize Kristi is one of many subjective opinions out there. The sad thing people take what she says as fact

[@KamalasFakePolls]

​@@garystapp1656Spamming is a sin.

[@pansepot1490]

⁠​⁠@@garystapp1656 lol, you can say the same for Christians. It’s sad that they take their pastors/preachers/priests subjective opinions as facts.

[@Sorican-sf8lz]

@@pansepot1490 it really is. A large part of why I'm now an atheist has to do with being around an LGBTQ protest at a christian campus. Basically everyone was being assholes to the protestors; and I felt I had to be assholish too. until there was a 'wait a moment' kind of moment. I stepped away to do some sole searching and whelp... lets just say I didn't want to be an asshole anymore.

[@jameshicks9797]

Excellent argument Kristi! I totally agree with your position. Thanks for what you do.

[@jasonroper8010]

I grew up with this one: "God said it. I believe it. And that settles it!"

[@jezebelvibes]

I heard that one many times growing up as well :D

[@unoriginalclips9923]

It’s a good phrase for demonstrating one’s faith. It doesn’t, however, tend to make any arguments as to why we should have faith in God, as shown in the example here. That is a separate issue.

[@annahilliard4875]

Glad to have you back Kristi. One of the weakest arguments that Christians use is that "God is real because the Bible says so" or "the Bible is true because it says it's true." That's so ignorant. To say the Bible proves the existence of God is just like saying that How The Grinch Stole Christmas proves that the Grinch is real. A book doesn't prove anything.

[@Mortalnomad]

To be ignorant is to ignore facts. Yet you look at creation and ignore that a creator must have created it.

[@jezebelvibes]

Just because you call the universe a "creation" doesn't necessarily make it so.

[@JimCastleberry]

That's a neat strawman. Too bad you can't engage with the actual theist arguments that succeed in world class debates.

[@annahilliard4875]

@@jezebelvibes I meant illogical. I just used the wrong word.

[@PrinceKoffe]

​@@JimCastleberryYawn 🥱 please this gaslighting is so 1980s

[@raepet-mb6lc]

One of the greatest thought traps I heard repeatedly growing up (especially from my parents) was "you shouldn't question the bible, because it is the word of God and to do so is to question him". This effectively shuts down all critical thought processes, especially for children in the period of life when they are supposed to be developing it. This made things very difficult for me in school growing up and even more so as a young adult. Again I say this is one of the greatest disservices christian parents and community do to young people under their leadership.

[@theunknownatheist3815]

“Objective morality” DOES NOT EXIST! Go ask several different denominations of Christian the following few questions- 1. Is capital punishment moral? 2. Is gay marriage moral? 3. Is being gay inherently immoral? You will get WILDLY DIFFERENT ANSWERS from various kinds of Christians. So, that means THE ANSWERS ARE NOT “OBJECTIVE”. DONE.

[@suicune2001]

I don't know how any Christian can say morality is objective given what Yahweh has done. Darth Vader to Storm Troopers: "Thou shalt not kill! Follow my objective morality!" Also Darth Vader: **blows up Alderaan** Storm Trooper: "It's ok when he does it."

[@unoriginalclips9923]

That’s like saying “because some people believe the earth is flat, it isn’t an objective fact that it’s round”

[@softreyna]

The trick is that 'does objective morality exist' is just another false dichotomy. Morality is how we consciously understand our prosocial instincts: we care about others because our best chance at surviving and reproducing is surrounding ourselves with others who care about us. No two people follow exactly the same morality, but almost all moralities follow a similar pattern to each other. You can argue that that's a form of objective morality.

[@suicune2001]

@@softreyna The best way I heard morality described is the difference between the in-group and out-group. We treat the in-group with respect and work with them to accomplish goals. The out-group is seen as the enemy. So anyone in the out-group will be treated to different levels of hostility. With the invention of the Internet, we're slowly figuring out we're mostly the same around the world with just some cultural differences. So we're moving more and more people into the in-group.

[@Damoclz]

@@unoriginalclips9923but we can actually see the earth. We can’t see a supernatural entity…

[@michaelsbeverly]

_Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!_ You're a great inspiration, Kristi. If you're ever up to live stream with a small channel fighting the algos like the demons they are, I'm ready, willing, and able!

[@TonyLambregts]

Have you thought about asking Apostate Aladin? Your conversation with Godless Granny was very good, BTW. Have you seen Scarlett? She might be interested in some cross promotion. Also, Ed the Rabyd Atheist may be a good guest, and I think that Professor Plink might be a good candidate as well. Anyways it is good to see you here.

[@michaelsbeverly]

@@TonyLambregts Thanks for the heads up and tips, I'll reach out, and thanks for the kind words.

[@stillfishing4sheep]

While preaching to a group of doctors and submitting his take on the Bible and seeking to have his theological paper published. A man with a doctorate of theology stood up while eating an apple, and said “doctor Taylor, is the apple I’m eating tart or sweet?” Doc Taylor said “I don’t know I haven’t tasted your apple” , the man replied “neither have you tasted my Jesus”. Taste my Jesus and see if he is good!

[@michaelsbeverly]

@@stillfishing4sheep This is the 2nd dumbest thing I've heard today. _Taste my Krishna and see if he is good!_

[@Kelley_X]

@@stillfishing4sheepholy cow, that sounds sus. Are you one of those freaks who has “Jesus” tattooed on his d…?

[@Dingolia]

People have a right to their beliefs/religion, and thats fine. My only issue comes when people insist that I have to believe what they do.

[@Ex_christian]

And THAT IS the problem! The Christian cult cannot keep their lies to themselves and feel they need to shove them down our throats as truth, which it isn’t.

[@Dingolia]

​@@Ex_christian Well, it's not only Christians. The theistic religious in general have a tendency towards these things, including within the realm of politics. But I don't have any issue with someone believing in an worshiping anyone/anything.

[@Ex_christian]

@@Dingolia exactly, it isn’t only the Christian cult but all religious cults that like to shove their lies down our throats. It’s just that we are dealing with mainly the Christian cult in America since they think they’re the only true religion……

[@Dingolia]

​@@Ex_christianWell that's true

[@goblingunk_]

This is so good Kristi. Especially early on after I left the church, it would infuriate me so much when people would dismiss my genuineness as a believer. But you're right, they had no idea. And they show their true colors when they try to invalidate you. My deconstruction isn't something I can tell most people I know, but that's okay. They choose to not understand. They choose to react to differing views in this way. I don't need to prove anything to them, or account for my lack of belief. I'll seek peace and truth just the same on my own. Its freeing to be able to do that.

[@mattpowell6291]

Your journey is your own but as it says in the bible, you are saved when you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and receive the Holy Spirit as a guarantee. It's not just a head belief.

[@pitpride1220]

Glad you came back to us. Your point of view is really needed in this era. 😊

[@user-k4d-e59mo28oc]

I can resonate with her sermons. . . as opposed to those of Desert Megalomaniacs, Voodoo Priests, Rednecks and Hillbillies.

[@cezz1105]

Actually it's not!😂

[@pitpride1220]

@@cezz1105 It Is, it really is

[@cezz1105]

@@pitpride1220 no, we need Christ Yashaya and the Most High. The more this world pushes God away. The more evil it becomes! Wake up before it's too late!

[@pitpride1220]

@@cezz1105 I'm awake. I've seen what many Christians do. Raised in it. It's not good for the world. The community aspect is. But it has no place in government. Nor should it have unwelcomed control over social settings. It should be completely voluntary and relegated to personal decision only.

[@isiahromero1353]

Greetings from New Mexico. I love listening to your videos when im doing yard work.

[@jezebelvibes]

Hi 🥰👋 thanks so much for tuning in

[@DoctorVell]

I love to ask a Christian the questions "What does God sound like?" and "Does He sound like your own voice or another voice?"

[@jezebelvibes]

That's a really good question to ask. I used to say "I just feel it" 🤪🫠 Then my pastor would tell me that I couldn't trust my feelings and I was REAL confused, lol

[@JimCastleberry]

Your question is misguided. God, being non-physical spirit, would communicate spiritually via direct intuition, not a human voice. You failed.

[@bjornkreuze7423]

​​aah but this non physical spirit has a book frozen in time......that makes sense. You failed

[@tedmoman13]

⁠​⁠@@JimCastleberryit is a shame that god didn’t know this. He could have saved so much time. Nor would he have to send an angel. 🤔

[@huttj509]

@@JimCastleberry How do you tell the difference between G-d, and your own feelings about something? Has G-d ever told you to do something you really didn't want to do?

[@molina-youtube]

So good you are back Kristi, you are a gem and a lighthouse of soundness, thank you dear 🤗

[@John75Mulhern]

When people say "why are you mad at God for suffering if you don't believe in him?"

[@harveywabbit9541]

Getting angry, at the sun, solves nothing.,

[@unoriginalclips9923]

They make a fair point. Some atheists know how to move on with their lives. For others, however, God seems to live rent free in their head…🤦‍♂️

[@beatricezanoni5582]

​@@unoriginalclips9923 a huge part of the atheist community was once a theist. You can't always get everything you lived by in your formative years off your head

[@unoriginalclips9923]

@@beatricezanoni5582 Porphyry of Tyre was once a Christian, and yet all he did in his later life was ceaselessly criticize Christianity. Perhaps you have a point…🤔

[@ph0t0g56]

Christians believe that... 1. God is all powerful 2. God is all knowing 3. God is all good 4. God is all loving 5. God created everything 6. God is the perfect being If god created everything and god is all good, who created evil? If god created everything and god is all loving, who created hatred and suffering? How can a perfect being create an imperfect world? If god created us, his children, and gave us this massive ability to reason, why does Christianity tell us not to use reason in matters related to god, but instead just to have faith? Faith being the antithesis of reason.

[@memecity9849]

God of the gaps, special pleading arguments of incredulity, circular reasoning. Every argument for God is a logical fallacy, and every logical fallacy is used to argue for God

[@jezebelvibes]

Very succinctly put! 😊

[@JimCastleberry]

Yet, you cannot demonstrate any such thing without lying about what is actually argued. Lying about 'fallacies' to avoid engagement is just more lazy atheist dishonesty.

[@Izzy-cp8yt]

​@@JimCastleberry I'm not confident you understand what a fallacy is. But please, by all means, provide verifiable proof of your god. No fallacies allowed or your argument is irrelevant.

[@AcerbusFive]

Well put

[@memecity9849]

@JimCastleberry " I don't know how that works or came to being, therefore it must be God" =God of the gaps "That's impossible therefore it must be God" =Argument from incredulity "God existence because the Bible says he does and the bible is the inerrant word of God, therefore God exist" =Circular reasoning " The universe needs a cause but God doesn't because he is the uncaused causer " = special pleading I've demonstrated more than one fallacy. Where's your evidence for your God?

[@colleenfleming8482]

I just recently stumbled upon your channel. It’s funny because I’m questioning my Christian beliefs right now. Thank you for your videos on this topic. They really resonate with me. Keep up the good work 😊

[@ChristineVress]

Religious people cannot claim that we need a standard from god to be able to say that murder is wrong, if the same god is literally commanding murder....that's a contradiction and it's absurd !!!

[@jezebelvibes]

But then they can just special plead and say "He's god! He can do what he wants!"

[@JimCastleberry]

Yeah, that's not the argument. The argument is that God is necessary for a realm of objective moral values and duties - the stuff that makes moral right and wrong possible. You failed to be honest about the argument. But hey, I'm sure the atheist fluffers will pump you full of sunshine.

[@JimCastleberry]

@@jezebelvibes You're dead wrong to claim special pleading across separate categories of being. Special pleading is a category error that must occur within a discreet category. God, being categorically prime reality, would have perfect moral prerogative and cannot be said to violate moral law. Humans are a lower category of contingent beings. Much like the Constitution cannot be unconstitutional, but a lower law can be unconstitutional.

[@PrinceKoffe]

​@JimCastleberry Your entire statement is word salad. Right and wrong exists subjectively without your God, they predate your narrow version of him and will outlast him. Stop spamming comments and get a life.

[@kenlogsdon7095]

"Strange a god that: mouths Golden Rules and forgiveness, then invented hell; that mouths morals to other people and has none itself; that frowns upon crimes yet commits them all; that created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon Itself; and finally with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship It!" -- slightly paraphrased Mark Twain

[@heatherbates8798]

Awesome job Kristi! Your encouragement to all of us is wonderful. ❤

[@jezebelvibes]

Thank you so much!

[@TheBarelyBearableAtheist]

One of the worst Christian arguments is "You just want to sin." It's not just bad logic (ad hominem fallacy), it's slander!

[@dagg310]

christians love sin more....they think they can sin and just repent and off to heaven they still go. ...lol

[@destroyraiden]

to me when they say the bible is keeping them from sinning or you just want to sin they're telling you they chose god as their cop and he's the only thing keeping them from the xyz they would willingly do if the flimsy made up book cop didn't stop them they're actually worse offenders in waiting cuz cops have a nationwide law they have their own fantasy on the topic keeping them from crime it's like rice paper vs soggy paper.

[@mattpowell6291]

It's not that you want to sin, but it's confronting to know that you are not perfect

[@mattpowell6291]

@@DarkLight-Ascending So you believe all go to heaven and there's no consequences on Earth?

[@mattpowell6291]

@@DarkLight-Ascending Sure ok...

[@Roma88572]

They have enough time to come in here and comment about how you’re going to some kind of hell, but refuse to look up videos about astrophysics and how the universe formed to learn more about our origins. God is just the easy path for them.

[@jezebelvibes]

Wait I thought WE were taking the easy way! 🤔🫠

[@JimCastleberry]

Cosmology supports the theistic conclusion. The science confirms a contingent universe with a finite physical beginning with infinitesimally narrow parameters of fine tuning in the initial constants and quantities. Atheism predicts an infinite universe in a steady state.

[@darbymori350]

​@@JimCastleberryit's amazing how wrong you are.

[@Roma88572]

@@JimCastleberry Cosmology doesn’t care about theism or a creator, a hot dense state expanded rapidly. Atheism is just the lack of belief in a deity, like you are atheistic to every other deity besides the own you swear exists.

[@Zimbabwae1]

@@JimCastleberrywhat do you mean? We dont know what happened if anything happened before the big bang but we sure as heck can tell what happened after. atheism does not predict an infinite universe in a steady state. havent you heard of the heat death of the universe? i tell you perhaps somehow the universe stays intact after infinity but earth maybe not

[@omnikevlar2338]

“You need a euphoric experience to become a Christian. And you need a phd to leave it.” -the apologist

[@stillfishing4sheep]

And you need a ThD to understand Christianity is not a religion.

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@stillfishing4sheep It has become a political system.

[@stillfishing4sheep]

@@harveywabbit9541 I gave your reply a like and I definitely agree!

[@omnikevlar2338]

@@stillfishing4sheep Is ThD mean a theology degree?

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@omnikevlar2338 Try talking to the Sun.

[@YNWA-1]

I am at work now but I can’t wait to watch this later 😃 Great job 👏 Kristi

[@johnmichaels6794]

Thank you Kristi, for the amount of work you do and the amount of help you give.

[@elliemarie.124]

I’ve always been confused by the whole “everything needs to have been created by a creator” claim existing alongside the “god wasn’t created by a creator he just always existed” claim

[@Diviance]

As you should be since it is a logical fallacy known as special pleading.

[@ig.gui_s]

I will try help it out since im studying advanced Science. Quantum physics already spoke about the creation on universe people just have been sleeping on it bc its "too complex". The temporary changes in energy levels that occur spontaneously in empty space creates particles and antiparticles (flunctuation) which has been proved by the discover of something called "Antimatter" which is the worlds most expensive material. Either even if you dindt know any of these, just because you dont know something you dont have the need to put "god" as the responsible for it because if everything has a start god is no exception being his own cause its supercial and not even a good argument, since he is supposed to be "perfect" ("creating himself that same way"), therefore he chooses to create unperfect beings knowing their flaws. Hope I helped!

[@AlanGeier]

Great video Kristi!

[@nubrake802]

You explain these arguements well, and debunk them with sound logic. Good video, I share a lot of these thoughts.

[@jezebelvibes]

Thanks so much!

[@ghostface9894]

When Mindshift collab? I can't wait!

[@norwalltino]

Spot on. Again. Great lessonMaybe guilttripping is an effective weapon they are using, even though it's not an argument, merely more a kind of abuse.

[@SeekingTruth2023]

Best wishes and athank you from Germany 🇩🇪 You helped me a lot 😊

[@jezebelvibes]

🥰 i love to hear that! Thanks for the support!

[@StrickmannR]

Jesus wartet auf dich

[@leehun4044]

Jesus wartet nicht auf dich. Jesus is not waiting for you.

[@SeekingTruth2023]

@StickmanRevolutionx3 I wish you had added an emoji to imply that your comment is meant kindly and friendly. 😉 You didn't... so maybe you are serious with your statement? If so, please be so kind as to prove that Jesus existed, exists and is conscious today and is actively awaiting me. :)

[@StrickmannR]

@@SeekingTruth2023 Warte bis die Entrückung geschieht. Manche Leute brauchen halt ein Weckruf

[@clarissar1418]

Great video! This is exactly the video I have been looking for. Thanks Kristi, keep up the good work! ❤

[@FredHarvey779]

I have yet to be presented with any good Christian arguments, but..., that's just me.

[@turkleton4783]

What would you consider a good Christian argument?

[@FredHarvey779]

@@Jesuslordoflords-y4m Oh please, don't bother me with useless fantasies, give me convincing evidence, not rubbish!

[@FredHarvey779]

@@turkleton4783 Not my job to solve your problem, I've never yet seen anything that even comes close. What would you consider a good argument for Zeus?

[@Izzy-cp8yt]

​@@Jesuslordoflords-y4m I followed it for over a decade, and f-all happened. How long am I supposed to wait for a purple dragon to appear before I can reasonably assume purple dragons don't exist?

[@j.c.5528]

@@Jesuslordoflords-y4m So your proof is subjective experiences?

[@taboo_echoes]

Hey you're back. Good

[@maryquinn6661]

Thank you Kristi! I really appreciate hearing all your rational responses! My favorite argument is that the TRUTH is nobody knows what happens after we die…it’s quite a jolt to the indoctrination of most Christians that what they believe is not absolute but assumed!! ❤❤❤❤

[@jordanparrott]

There are so many people i would love to see you debate, but i wouldn't want to see you put through that. I appreciate your videos. I'm happy you decided to speak up, much love!

[@danielsmith2447]

I used to date a girl that had a plaque in her house that said 'God said it, I believe it, that settles it!' That was one of the things that made me start really thinking about this religion I had followed all my life.

[@garystapp1656]

What religion did you follow? By the way, if you truly know God, that statement she has is true.

[@franciscosustek7249]

"more buybull, less thinking...and keep on forking it"...

[@wardraven8755]

@@garystapp1656i use to go to church and study the Bible learned everything i could about god and had faith but not anymore do to the whole thing being bs. 10 years give or take and never once did god show himself to me.

[@mattpowell6291]

@@danielsmith2447 Um so you don't agree with love your neighbor?

[@FunnyFany]

​@mattpowell6291 OP: "I love pancakes" You: "So you hate waffles!?!?!"

[@janemclean7032]

Love this thank you for your channel. You look really adorable today!

[@sandrew255]

I thoroughly enjoyed this presentation, and I love your approach. So often when you get into these conversations it is with people you don’t want to offend, people that you care about. When you justify your own non belief it can easily feel that you are attacking their beliefs, that they are, by implication, stupid. You don’t go down that road. Your kindness and generosity of spirit is refreshing.

[@jezebelvibes]

Thank you so much! I really appreciate that

[@bbettcher]

What a great channel! Keep you your good work. Faith-based thinking is an abdication of personal responsibility and an excuse to not use your mind.

[@unoriginalclips9923]

Unless someone decides to use their mind in justifying their faith. Ever considered that?

[@randybaker6042]

🤣 Actually, your statement can't be argued unless you define your use of the word faith. Then the other party would have to agree to your definition as applied to your statement. You could concoct a definition that suits your argument or you could slip up and leave it open to argument. Either way, you would need to find out and recognize the definition they are applying to the word. Pretty much guaranteed their definition will not be the same as yours. If you're talking to a King James Version of the Bible fan who knows what they are doing, they will blow your statement away in a hurry. They will use the definition as presented in their Bible... Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. It's a noun. It's something tangible (substance and evidence) of what you do not recognize. Heaven. Other than everything you recognize. Having a mustard seed (the smallest measure) of Heaven would enable one to move mountains etc. Faith in this context is not some sort of belief. It's not an action word and it's not religion. Abdication of personal responsibility and not using one's mind is not dependent on any certain criteria. It's called being human.

[@joshsimpson1283]

That first argument was the one my mom used when I told her I wasn't a Christian anymore

[@peterjp4]

You, Kristi, are amazing! I LOVE your insight. I wish I could argue like that. You make so much sense.

[@brittanykidwell9044]

Me too! ❤❤❤

[@DG-cu1vt]

God was definitely created. He was created by man just like every other god.

[@dodget3]

Well kinda, the precursor to religion was ancestor reverence. It seems possible that these gods were based on real living flesh and blood people.

[@cabot100]

@@dodget3 The Anunnaki?

[@eddierush4653]

So the universe just popped into existence out of nowhere?

[@dodget3]

@@eddierush4653 no, it has always existed. There is no before the universe.

[@dodget3]

@@cabot100 even if it was the anunnaki (which I kind of have this theory that the anunnaki were Neanderthals but that's neither here nor there) they're still just human beings that evolved on Earth just like all of the rest of life on Earth

[@markwitte303]

love your intelligent posts. never beleived since childhood.

[@unoriginalclips9923]

*Believed Goodness, perhaps the “you aren’t educated enough to understand my argument” refutation isn’t all that absurd after all….

[@rowanharris6268]

I’m loving your videos. I think they are well thought out and beautifully presented. I’ve been sharing them on my FB page with the hopes that some of my friends who still believe in Christianity will watch them and even if it doesn’t cause them to do a 180, maybe it will at least give them something to think about…

[@jezebelvibes]

I really appreciate you sharing! Thanks for the support!

[@leehun4044]

Greetings from Switzerland.

[@jezebelvibes]

Hello friend!

[@martinlag1]

As a biologist, I deal with the 'random chance' argument often. Planets, molecules, life and cells came to exist by natural laws that are often known or knowable processes. Orbits of the solar system are predictable distances 'following' Keplers laws. Not random, not chance. (n)H + O = H2O (water), not H30 or H4O, by covalent bonding, not random, no chance at all about WHAT forms. Life is the same. Only viable (possible) species evolve. As a materialist, I suspect things happen by NATURAL LAWS, as they evidently do, not divine ones or magical ones or random chance either. Lets always say 'natural laws' instead of 'random chance'.

[@JimCastleberry]

Nonsense - and you know it. Where is your evidence that laws (descriptions of physical behavior) can cause anything into being, much less, assemble, precisely order, radically sophisticated three-dimensional information code instructions, that are interpreted and executed to build other proteins and life systems - all ordered towards multiple third purpose utilities? You're full of it - and you know it.

[@mattpowell6291]

@@martinlag1 How did the natural laws come into existence?

[@martinlag1]

@@mattpowell6291 Natural laws might emerge as a product of matter, like objects have shadows and space and weight. Who knows?

[@mattpowell6291]

@@martinlag1 Who knows... You don't sound convinced by your own comment

[@jamesarnette1394]

Natural laws are a consequence of matter? No, the reverse is much more likely. Matter is far from primary and results from certain processes involving energy, which is the province of physics and relativity. And in those two Fields one will find many natural laws in addition to those of which I speak.

[@PhilAbuster-f6f]

I appreciate your perspectives. You seem very reasonable. Thank you

[@AndyD180]

You have a gift of speaking clearly with empathy and great intelligence like a favorite teacher I'd like to think we all had at one point in our lives. Imagine if we could all adopt such a style these days. But there will always be detractors for anything and everything it seems. I think you contribute to a positive dialogue and commend you for your efforts. Thank you!

[@jamestravis1037]

If God exists why does not finally show himself? It's been long enough! All the pain and suffering in this world...

[@unoriginalclips9923]

The problem is that so many have such a bias against supernatural phenomena, that if God were to show Himself today, it would hardly change much of anything. The faithful have faith without seeing, and even in seeing, the firm nonbeliever will not be any more convinced. And even if they were forced to admit His existence, it doesn’t mean that they would thereafter seek a relationship with Him as the faithful do.

[@kushy2508]

​@@unoriginalclips9923what would god showing himself look like? Any answer you possibly could give, let's be honest, it's never gonna actually happen

[@cezz1105]

God shows himself everyday!

[@johnchill]

Thanks for your videos, thanks for asking us all to think. You must be making an impact because of the many 'responses' . Your manner of gently teasing texts apart and inviting others to do the same is a welcome and refreshing approach. THANKYOU.

[@stevenhogenson4880]

"Blessed are those who believe without seeing." Translation: "Trust me...." Says EVERY con man who EVER lived....

[@floydthibodeaux1844]

Great work

[@jezebelvibes]

Thank you so much 😊

[@JacobP81]

Thank you for this. Great points. Shared on Facebook.

[@LOwens-xf8yo]

I kept a small part of my belief. Religion had separated my mother & so holding on to an intermediate beliefs seemed important, because I wanted to be seen as moral. I tried different religions. Thinking maybe there was a core truth to them all. Then maybe god is generated by people gathering in love. I landed on god = love for decades. Then I heard an online atheist miraculously explain my own personal journey. Keeping the word god but accepting smaller definitions. Going thru a Woo period. Then conflating the word god for another vague word, like universe. Until the place holder for the word god finally is let go. And it worked. I let go. Love is love is plenty to feel good about. Love you, love your work. Keep it up sister!

[@joelovett3098]

Always remember that you don't have to have a discussion. When you get a call that's labelled "Scam Likely", do you pick it up, listen to the caller, and try to find flaws in whatever they say? Or do you just reject the call and move on? You can do the same with people trying to witness to you.

[@poerava]

Amazing channel. Thank you 🙏🏽

[@IheartDogs55]

The argument from design is one I'd be interested in you talking about. When I was young, it was persuasive to me. Thank you. ❤

[@luis_sa78]

What is the argument from design?

[@JimCastleberry]

It should be persuasive. Nobody can defeat the design arguments.

[@patrickmcevoy5080]

Argument from design gets everything backwards. Everything "works", not because of design - because let's face it, the "designs" are pretty bad, overall, when it comes to living creatures. On the other hand, when you look at it from the other direction: the underlying principles of physics lead to specific outcomes, inevitably - it makes a lot more sense.

[@luis_sa78]

@@JimCastleberry so, what is the argument exactly?

[@j.c.5528]

@@JimCastleberry Hahahahaha! ...oh. Oh you're serious. Oh no.

[@NellyJane]

I'm so glad your posting again queen 🥹❤️🫶

[@RudyDeblieck]

Bedankt

[@jezebelvibes]

Thank you!!

[@DarqueSyde66]

I really like your last point the most. The fact that they require all this knowledge to leave but need none to join. I never thought of it like that. Another excellent video, Kristi. Keep up the good work.

[@mattpowell6291]

@@DarqueSyde66 If you have none to join, most likely you never joined in the first place

[@irrelevant_noob]

@@mattpowell6291 you're forgetting theists care more about beliefs than knowledge...

[@mattpowell6291]

@@irrelevant_noob It's actually a complete transformation of how you treat others, view the world etc. You gain spiritual wisdom but knowledge is definitely important.

[@irrelevant_noob]

@@mattpowell6291 so once the transformation is done, the body freezes in that state? Otherwise you couldn't call it "complete". Great wisdom there, too bad it doesn't include the ability to understand the lack of meaning in the "spiritual" attribute.. :p

[@mattpowell6291]

@@irrelevant_noob Not sure about freezes in that state. I think people can lose the Holy Spirit if they reject God. Good question

[@DocReasonable]

'God can kiII whoever he chooses.' - Religious person 'We get our morals from God.' - also Religious person

[@mattpowell6291]

@@DocReasonable God can punish evil. I like that phrasing much better 😃

[@xXEGPXx]

@@mattpowell6291 God has killed millions of 100% objectively innocent people

[@DocReasonable]

@@mattpowell6291 'So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, *as the LORD God of Israel commanded."* (Joshua 10:39-40)

[@stevepierce6467]

@@mattpowell6291 So why does god also punish good? Every air crash, every tsunami, every tornado, every avalanche kills good and evil alike, indiscriminately. Three possible conclusions: 1. God is not omnipotent and cannot control the effects of his creation, 2. God is utterly indifferent to his creation after he got done with it. 3. God is a tyrannical sadist who enjoys inflicting suffering. Oops, a number 4. 4. There is no god at all.

[@nts4906]

Religion is an inherently authoritarian view of morality with God being a supreme dictator beyond human reason.

[@Sami89183]

I’m so happy you’re back girl!! You’re standing on business again and eating those cringe arguments up!

[@stefanheinzmann7319]

I think the best argument against God is the overabundance of really bad arguments for God. If there were enough good ones, the bad ones wouldn't keep getting used.

[@HuangBoh_Cn]

@@stefanheinzmann7319 Do bad arguments in widely accepted fields like science invalidate those fields? Perhaps bad arguments for God persist because they're easier for some to grasp, not because good ones don't exist. Isn't it funny to dismiss God based on the weakest arguments?

[@stefanheinzmann7319]

@@HuangBoh_Cn I fail to see why a good argument should be harder to grasp than a bad one. You haven't got an example to illustrate what you mean, have you? But if there were good ones, even when they're harder to grasp, wouldn't it be more satisfying to use those, instead of getting rebutted, even ridiculed, over and over again for using the bad ones?

[@HuangBoh_Cn]

@@stefanheinzmann7319 Do you think complex scientific theories are harder to grasp than simple misconceptions? Isn't it ironic that we still encounter flat Earth arguments despite strong scientific evidence? Sometimes good arguments are complex, but that doesn't make them less valid

[@stefanheinzmann7319]

@@HuangBoh_Cn You are right here. I see what you mean now, thanks! The flat earth argument might not be the best one, however, as I find a round earth to be quite easy to grasp. In fact I struggle to understand what people's problem is with it, that makes them advocate the flat earth. Some may see it as contradicting their literal interpretation of the bible, but I suspect that something else is in play here, really. But in case of general relativity or quantum mechanics, you are definitely right on the money. They are hard to grasp for pretty much everyone.

[@davemillsap647]

25 minute video, released 12 minutes ago with comments already posted claiming she is wrong on all points. Lol

[@jezebelvibes]

🤪🫠

[@kaylandry3142]

Christians are the biggest babies & hate the fruits of the spirit.

[@UnreliableArsonist]

I made an attempt at debunking them. Don’t worry.

[@mattpowell6291]

@@davemillsap647 It's her experience. Doesn't make it right or wrong, just her experience

[@RudyDeblieck]

Thanks Kristi for just being who you are❤

[@DarqueSyde66]

GO KRISTI GO!!!

[@DigitalNomad765]

Thanks for your imput Kristi, I Am Christian and I don't hate you at all, Just so you know I even read books on occult wicca witchcraft I'm sure some would say I was never a Christian anyway I really don't care what they think thanks again for the videos really like them 😊😊

[@mattpowell6291]

@@DigitalNomad765 Why did you read books on occult and wicca?

[@DigitalNomad765]

@@mattpowell6291 Maybe I got angry at Christians saying I'm not good enough not hot enough From Christian women is that what they teach now your not worth something if you're not handsome or pretty

[@gregcorricello8997]

Kristi, I love your intelligence and your willingness to be your authentic self. I identify with a lot of your journey even though I'm a guy. I was once as strong a believer as you were and for the past 10 -12 years I have traveled the "deconstruction highway" as I sometimes call it. Keep sharing your heart because that's what fans like me love!

[@Sean-oy8xm]

Obedience is not morality. Brilliant.

[@AllThingsFilm1]

Great commentary. So well thought out. 1:06 - Either God created us or we are here by chance. 3:25 - God exists because you can't disprove him. 3:59 - Argument from ignorance. 4:07 - Burden of proof. 5:22 - Objective morality proves God exists. 9:04 - Appeal to consequence. 10:39 - A Rebellious Son (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) 10:56 - The Bible is true because the Bible says it. 11:55 - Everything that exists was created, therefore God exists. 14:25 - You're not educated enough. (You were never really a true Christian. No True Scotsman Fallacy.) 18:47 - Thought terminating ciiche.

[@irrelevant_noob]

And a few more: 1:21 false dilemma / false dichotomy 19:58 😼 22:16 taking time to answer 24:53 practice critical thinking 25:14 outro

[@mikekelly702]

its actually really easy and simple to disprove the God of the Bible.

[@kaylandry3142]

Bible god reminds me of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

[@mattpowell6291]

How?

[@harveywabbit9541]

See Deuteronomy 32.18, where the rock/stone (PHALLUS) claims to be the creator. This is the same stone that Jacob stands upright and anoints with "oil" (fertility) and wine (passion). The 12 tribes are described as 12 "stones" aka 12 phalluses. The isra/ysra in Israel means phallus.

[@mattpowell6291]

@@harveywabbit9541 This was part of a song sung by Moses lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Maybe read the bible IN CONTEXT next time

[@kaylandry3142]

@@mattpowell6291 do you believe a snake talked? Do you believe a man lived in a whale?

[@robertoelmecanico2579]

I'm so happy you're back!

[@ionlyemergeafterdark]

If the world requires a creator, then why does the creator not need a creator? Why does the logic not apply to the creator also?

[@unoriginalclips9923]

Because the creator is eternally uncreated by definition.

[@Rhewin]

KZbin, in all its wisdom, has decided I must *really* want to listen to Allen Parr. I usually ignore it, but I saw a few months ago he responded to one of your videos. I decided it was only fair to give it a shot. It was... blood pressure raising...

[@jezebelvibes]

I chose not to view it 😄 for that very reason.

[@Rhewin]

@@jezebelvibes his analogy when trying to refute your issue with predestination was just *bad*. He likened it to a teacher who says they’ll give all the kids candy at the end of the year if they’re perfect. At the end, none of them earn candy. But if the teacher decides she wants to arbitrarily give some kids candy, that’s her right and there’s nothing morally wrong with it, right? He had a freaking big grin like he had made some good point lol

[@brittanykidwell9044]

@@Rhewin I’m increasingly more concerned about the words coming from that man and I don’t know what to think about my mom probably still listening to his opinions and thinking he makes good points. I really started to question him and other pastors like him from watching Belief It or Not videos. I really appreciate Kristi and Trevor’s work on dispelling the effects Christian’s’ teachings have had on me. I like to think I can think about the world in general with more critical perspectives than I used to…but trying to share my thoughts about questioning my faith with my mom is very scary and anxiety inducing…don’t know what to do

[@Rhewin]

@@brittanykidwell9044 Belief it or Not is great at cutting through the bullshit. Apologetics are designed to sound profound for people who really want to believe. You don’t hear how messed up it is until you allow yourself to see the cracks. As for your mom, remember you don’t have to share until you’re ready. Evangelicalism teaches you to always be ready to share and justify your beliefs. You don’t have to. MindShift has a really great video about talking with loved ones. It’s geared toward atheists, but I think it’s great for deconstruction in general, even if you’re still Christian.

[@brittanykidwell9044]

@@Rhewin Thank you for the kind words. This makes me feel a little better. I think I will try to look at that video, maybe it can help me. 😊

[@firecat3613]

To quote Bill Maher, "I do not ridicule religion. It ridicules itself." With this in mind, I am only a messenger exposing the truth. With the 1st argument... Nothing came into being just by chance. It all followed a sequence of events. Had anything been different along the way, there is no way you can suggest 'nothing would be here.' It is not only possible, but likely, two different intelligent beings may be having this same conversation. The, "Creator," argument falls on the fact that the Christian lacks the mental acuity or the willingness to learn or accept reality. In essence, the Christian is too ignorant to grasp reality, therefore, "my imaginary friend did it." The 2nd argument, about proving God does not exist, requires a definition of, "God." There is a difference between a Deist and a Theist. Wherein the latter believes in a specific god and the former believes in some unknown god who may have created everything then went away. When it comes to a Deist belief, as seen with people like Thomas Jefferson, you can deny a belief based on lack of evidence, but you cannot deny the possibility such a being or beings exist. However, when it comes to a specific god, such as the god of the Bible, he is very easy to disprove. Simply use the only source used for "proof" of his existence. It has ben said, "The fastest way to become and Atheist is to actually read the Bible with an open mind." With regards to ignorance, another well-known fact is that the average Atheist knows more about the Bible than the average Christian. In simple terms, I cannot disprove A god exists (or once existed), but I can disprove your god exists. Then again, you could flip it around on them and ask, "Can you prove the divine is not just a colony of invisible, fluffy flying bunnies (aka: the Bunnies), who live on the planet Pluto?" "Praise be the Bunnies! I have faith... Prove me wrong!" #3... morality? I've often heard Christians ask me, "Where do you get your morality, if not the Bible?" The short answer, it's DEFINITELY NOT from the Bible. The god in that book is an evil monster, with severe anger issues. My morality comes from the simple fact, as a human, I was born with the concept of empathy. The thing that scares me is the fact that a Christian feels he needs to have it written down, "Do not Kill. Do not steal." To make matters worse, Christian morality is based on a belief system of, "Obey me or burn forever!" They justify their morality with a carrot or stick mentality. Having it within them to simply do what's right and own up to your own mistakes, does not exist. In fact, they use their little book of horror stories, fairy tales and fiction to justify the most evil and egregious atrocities the world has ever known. #4... God's word? Please refer to argument 2. If your imaginary friend isn't real, your story book cannot be inspired by him. Let us also not forget your, 'prefect being,' as portrayed in the Bible far from perfect and suffers from all the deadly sins you are warned against. He is jealous, envious, wrathful, lustful (demands love), prideful, greedy and relatively lazy. This does not even take into account the many hundreds of blatant contradictions and ridiculous claims in the Bible. Take Gen 6:6, for instance: how can an ALL-KNOWING deity possibly have regrets? Is the Bible telling us that the all-knowing god didn't see that whole flood thing coming? Also, if we humans are, "created in God's image," and we are so evil and worthy of condemnation, what does that say about God? #5... Please refer to argument 1. Add in: not only is there zero evidence a god has ever existed, there is also no reason to believe a god was ever needed. Take the time to open a few science books, instead of that book of Christian fiction. Again, Christian willful-ignorance and terminal stupidity strikes! #6... Not educated enough? Beyond the, "fastest way to become and atheist," thing. In my case I can easily close them down on this. Not only do I speak Aramaic, I spent several months researching, exploring and studying in and around the Holy Lands. Abun de bashmayya nethqadash shmak. Tethey malkuthak. Newe tzevyanak aykan de bashmayya af ba’ara. Lakhman di sunkanan yamana hav lan yoma dheyn. Wa-shbuk lan khavine aykana, d’af hanan shbukan l’khayvine. Ulo ellan lanisyana l’heyn atzeyl lan min beesha. Amin. (Matt 6) (The Our Father prayer) Eloi, Eloi, lama sabach thani? (Matt 27:46) (Jesus' last words, according to Matthew) I can - and have - seen, "the Passion of the Christ," without needing to read the subtitles! Jesus of where now? Nazareth? You mean the town that didn't exist until the 2nd century? The twon that is not shown on any map or written about until the late 2nd/early 3rd century? You mean the town who's only archeological evidence is a single well, (known as the well of Mary) dates to no earlier than 50 CE? There is a bus trip you can take out of Cairo (and a couple other places) that will take you - with a group of others - to the foot of Mt. Sinai. After your first night there, you can join the walking trip from there to Jerusalem. The entire thing took 3 weeks. Directions are easy. Head east (the rising of the sun) until you hit a large body of water (Gulf of Aqaba). Follow it north for a while. Jerusalem will be on your left. You can't miss it! Along this journey I saw all sorts of trash: Dirty diapers, worn shoes, soda cans, food wrappers, clothing items. This trip is 20 days and could not be easier to find. The Bible suggests the Jews took 40 years! To top it all off, in 40 years, MILLIONS of Jews... not one of them broke a pot or lost a sandal? Ezekiel 26 ... Mark 7, Luke 10, Matt 13 ... the Bible has Jesus tooling around the city Ezekiel says no longer exists. In fact he claims, it shall be destroyed and never be rebuilt. People will try to find it but it will never be found. How is it possible Jesus was there 600 years later? How is it possible the ruins I saw were there for Alexander to destroy 250 years AFTER Ezekiel's claim? Christians claim it is not the same city. Really? I lived there with the other 50,000 inhabitants for three months, who ALL insist it is right where it has ALWAYS BEEN. In fact, I have actually touched the 4,500 y/o ruins that are right where they have always been! These ruins are not 40 miles out of town. They are right there, in town. For a place that will NEVER be found... Here is my challenge... go to Google and type in, "Tyre Lebanon." When you see the pictures of the ruins, think to yourself, "The Bible says the city will be completely destroyed and no two stones shall set upon an other." Consider that as you gaze upon 4500 years of history. I'd say God was a little off on the two stones left standing thing. (More proof God does not exist) Want proof the Bible is BS? I give you... Google. The city that will never ever ever be found? Found in 15 seconds or less, via google maps! The best way to defeat the, "you don't know the Bible well enough," is to learn the bible better than any Christian minister. Lastly, the whole, "Our Father prayer," Christians seem to ignore the line, "forgive us our trespasses (aka: sins, debts, wrongdoings), the way we forgive those who trespass against us." Are they REALLY asking their imaginary friend to forgive them with the same hatred, bigotry, hypocrisy, condemnation and intolerance they show others. To further clarify... head on over to Matt 7, where Jesus tell the hypocrites, "Judge not, lest ye shall be judged by the measure with which you judge others." One last thing about the inerrancy of the Bible. And I can stick with that same prayer to poke a hole or two in it. "Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil." Lead us not into temptation? You're asking God not to lead you there? God leads you into temptation? Sadly, I wish I could use this to show the evil of their imaginary friend, but, as it turns out, it is a mistranslation of the original text. Above, I wrote out the Aramaic version (the language Jesus would have spoken. NOTE: I have known Christians who claim he spoke English. The line should read, "Let us not be lead into temptation..." In such case, you would be asking God help you keep from sin, as opposed to asking him not to cause you to sin. BIG DIFFERENCE. When they ultimately tell me I am, "Going to Hell!" I simply reply by saying, "Oh how Christian of you. Condemning to a place that doesn't exist. But just in case I am wrong, I would like to ask you for a small favor. On the bus ride there, could you please try to avoid the potholes?" I hope this very long post has been both educational and entertaining

[@josephaltman460]

We don't know if unicorns and tooth fairies exist. But hey, two new religions! 😉 😆

[@mattpowell6291]

@@josephaltman460 You don't know?

[@suicune2001]

The Dresden Files say faeries are real so that's good enough for me! It was written in a series of books, after all. That's how you know it's true. 😁

[@unoriginalclips9923]

Watch video for “bad” Christian arguments, read the comments for bad atheist arguments🤦‍♂️

[@mikemyersmusic]

You are mature and wise beyond your years

[@FoursWithin]

Great video again 🎉🎉🎉 A lot of people are being helped by this type of information.

[@jamie5mauser]

But Christians will also say to not confuse the morality (rape, slavery, misogyny, genocide) of 2,000 years ago with the morality today

[@WilliamsLibrary]

To which I'd reply with "Then why do I need to know all of this?" Why do I need to know about the purple drapes of the Tabernacle?

[@jamie5mauser]

@@WilliamsLibrary exactly. Why did god make all these rules if not to follow them? And Jesus obviously wanted the rules followed, especially in Matthew

[@thing1thing2themediamaniac43]

I'm in the phase where I go back and forth in belief in the existence of The Christian God. However I no longer believe in his promises.

[@jezebelvibes]

Give yourself a lot of time and compassion. You'll figure out your beliefs in your own time. Don't feel rushed to jump anywhere that doesn't feel comfortable. You can't control what you believe, because belief is just the result of being convinced. Maybe you're convinced because of a positive personal experience, or because it's all you've ever known, or because of fear. As you learn and grow, it will be easier to recognize which beliefs are worth holding on to. Stay curious, and don't worry about the rest. 💗

[@sarahrking]

@@jezebelvibes Thank you so much for these words; you almost brought me to tears and I feel less alone. I feel so much *pressure* to figure things out as I’m stepping away from Christianity but I need to be okay with not knowing. ❤ Thank you again

[@thing1thing2themediamaniac43]

@jezebelvibes There's alot of evidence that we are in fact in a spiritual warfare. However if that's true. GOD HIMSELF DERSEVES NOTHING BUT OUR EVERLASTING CONTEMPT AND SCORN FOR PUTTING US THE PEOPLE HE CLAIMS TO LOVE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT HE DOESN'T DESERVE OUR NEVERENDING PRAISE, LOVE OR DEVOTION

[@randybaker6042]

How do you define the "Christian God"? The reason I ask, is because there are many Christian Gods. For instance, there are Christians who believe God is going to torture people forever in a lake of fire. There are other Christians who believe that believing in such a God is insane. Saying they believe in the same God is ludicrous. Those are not the same Gods. You going back and forth in believing in the Christian God is quite reasonable and understandable simply given the fact there are different ones to choose from. And that's just one example. It's not just different Gods. It's different ways to appease those Gods. It's different ways to be "saved". The list goes on and on. Having great reason to not believe and having great reason to believe is a credit to your honest sincerity. This is my advice... If you're going to believe in God, believe in the best possible God you can come up with. If you're not going to believe in God, then don't worry about it. If there is a God and the God is the best possible thing we can come up with, then you will be just fine. If there is a God and the God isn't the best possible God, there isn't anything we can do about it and some of us will just believe in the best possible God to deliver us from the lesser God. Some of us (looks like you are included), have no desire whatsoever to have anything to do with a screwed up God. It wouldn't matter if it made itself known to us right now. Ok, a screwed up God exists. Wonderful. Don't ask me to cooperate. My Christian experience is this... A perfect, eternal, all-powerful, existence and love itself creator wants each and every one of us to know it as well as anyone ever has. Jesus is our direct intercessor to God. Nobody needs any religion, any church, any priest, any preacher and certainly not me to have direct access to the creator. Nobody brings what you bring to God. Nobody brings what you bring to Heaven. The only thing you can bring is you and there is no other you. Your perception and your honest sincerity is you. I walked away from full-time ministry over 40 years ago at age 19 to live a life that has had nothing to do with religion. I took with me a personal relationship with God through Jesus. I wouldn't trade it for anything. It's been awesome. I have had and have many great relationships with people who do not believe in any God. We are in the same boat of life. Don't worry about it. Sounds like you are doing good to me. Don't let anyone hold you back from pursuing your truth.

[@thing1thing2themediamaniac43]

@@randybaker6042 VERY WELL PUT

[@jasone.knisley6218]

When I recived Christ and was babtized, nearly 40 years ago, My uncle Dave laught and said " you went in dry and dumb and came out wet and dumb, why didn't you just stay dry?" Churches want us to stay dumb! Thank you for helping educate us so we can stay dry.

[@unoriginalclips9923]

Maybe Protestant churches. I can see the fundies suppressing knowledge. Others, no.

[@discontinuedmodel232]

"Gospel Fortified" and other theist you tubers are already dog-piling Kristi upon her return. Obviously - thankfully - her return has not gone unnoticed. IMHO sometimes your worth is valued by the opposition you attract. If she is upsetting theists/apologists, she must be doing something good. 👍

[@jezebelvibes]

I can always tell when someone has made a new video response to me based on the influx of Christians in my comments telling me how "unwise" I am 😄🤭 my return has caused a bit of a stir, but I welcome it! ❤️

[@discontinuedmodel232]

@@jezebelvibes indeed, it wouldn't take an "Elija level" prophet to predict the fast & furious Christian response to your return. So much turmoil for simply asking questions in a calm respectful manner. 🤔

[@Specialeffecks]

Maybe they're right and God did create everything but in doing so he sacrificed himself to become everything and no longer exists as a separate conscience being - that's why nobody sees him anymore. Of course, that would mean no god exists (currently) and we're worshiping empty space. Suggestion: let's get on with our lives because when we're gone, we're gone. Question: what is the testable difference between a god who created everything in a naturally self-sustaining manor who A) departs tomorrow to never again interact with the universe in any way, and B) departed yesterday to never again interact with the universe in any way? (In other words: what is the testable evidence for the current existence of any god?).

[@Subhendu-m7b]

My question to a religious person -- Are there different heavens and hells for people of different religions?

[@FinneyGames_BBG]

New ex-Christian here. Funny first video I see.. It is as if my phone listens better than god. I am out of the cult after 29 years. I’m now 30….. I’m not any happier and nothings improved, but at least I’m not wasting my time anymore. They told me then you nEvEr bEliEvEd… whatever… 29 years of dedication to hypocrites, several churches, and denominations. In the shadows with my faith, love, prayer, and works. I was highly *dependent* on my relationship with “god.” It led to absolutely nothing. It just bottlenecked my mind, and I had to relearn how to do things on my own without “faith”. All those years just realizing I was talking to myself not a poltergeist/holy spirit… 💀🤡 Then I saw how my ancestors and the hood always had a church on the plantation or the street corner… simply just telling us “your lives suck but it’s okay your colonizer warlord/minor lover Cesare Borgia (Jesus) loves you…”Hmmm wow he sure let a lot of unjust nefarious blasphemy happen in his name… Sounds like there are no consequences to evil… and if there is hell we’re already here. America is one of the best places in the world let that sink in. I was supposed to be a 4th generation pastor. I’m so glad I’m out. 🤮💀 Sorry … How the hell did I believe such a facade. Anyways just stay away from those places. Just ignorance and selling hope to a hopeless group of people.

[@dylanorr2127]

Hi I was Christian for the first 24 years of my life and have had similar feelings. I just wanted to add learning about philosophy and other viewpoints has really helped me see things with a better perspective. Foster your critical thinking skills and I think time can heal, it's a difficult process finding yourself again.

[@Isaac_L..]

Don't beat yourself up over it. There's so much social pressure to stay in and not question, everyone does it at their own pace. That said, good work, and have fun exploring new ideas without any limitations.

[@mattpowell6291]

@@FinneyGames_BBG Possibly because you never actually accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior and received the Holy Spirit. Jesus preaches "love your neighbor" to the lost. Christians aren't perfect but God makes everything perfect

[@FinneyGames_BBG]

@@mattpowell6291 It certainly is possible.

[@FinneyGames_BBG]

@@Isaac_L.. Thank you !

[@whitneygentry2947]

I’m so glad she’s making more videos!!!❤❤❤

[@jezebelvibes]

I'm glad you're tuning in 😊 thanks for the support

[@adamc1966]

The funniest xtian arguments are when they totally botch scientific evidence and claim that it proves that their God exists 😅

[@UnreliableArsonist]

Hehe I didn’t catch that xtian abbreviation at first. Very clever.

[@thesingerintheshower]

My pastor bold-face lied from the pulpit and said that archeology keeps proving the Bible.

[@adamc1966]

@@thesingerintheshower he left out the word "wrong" at the end of his sentence 👍

[@milkenobi]

“Evil-ution is a lie because the universe can’t create itself from an explosion something something thermal dynamics” *drops mic, congregation fawns*

[@DrPhilGoode]

@@milkenobi YES HAYMEN!!! PREACH IT BROTHER!!! If you are wrong I don’t wanna be right…GLOWRAY!!! 🤣🤣

[@etevejames4264]

old testament written in Hebrew, new testament written in Greek. but they spoke Hebrew or Aramaic in ancient Judea and Samaria . if Jesus was real he wasnt speaking to people in Greek. so the gospel writers didnt have any original writings in Jesus;s language so the Romans made up a super hero like all their other Greek myths. doesnt it seem odd that God only hung around in that 400 sq mile area. the people didnt know there was any other continents . that was their world . those texts were for the people and their lives in that era. it has nothing to do with today

[@danielcobbins8861]

I was listening to Clif High, on BitChute, lately, and he pointed out that the Greek language has 300K words, while Hebrew has only 8K words. It would appear that Greek was used to explain concepts that Hebrew could not.

[@mattpowell6291]

@@etevejames4264 Do some actual research 🤦‍♂️

[@unoriginalclips9923]

So much wrong with this comment lmao

[@amyjudy33]

Thank you for this video!

[@graphicmaterial5947]

The "objective morality" argument always baffles me. I got my morals from the same source as everybody else: my parents. And so did they. When I behaved well, I got rewarded, misbehaved - reprimanded. There is absolutely no mystery there.

[@mattpowell6291]

@@graphicmaterial5947 So if they murdered people on a regular basis do you think your view of morality would have been shifted?

[@ig.gui_s]

@@mattpowell6291 for sure thats how psychopaths exist. Almost all of them experience parental neglect that makes them act in the same way. At this moment you cannot imagine "what if" because you already have principles and fundamentals implemented, however it is common knowledge that parents have an essential attitude, hence the well-known phrase "Education starts from home".

[@caribbeanman3379]

Telling critics they think too much is just a stupid way of admitting that you have to suspend your thinking faculties in order to believe. No Christians, you think too little!

[@marvinmallette6795]

I wonder if this isn't the source of the famed British wit, cheeky buggers and all that. A thing associated with the concept of "tact" being that one is able to tell someone to get lost, in such a way that they look forward to the trip. As such, I reply "Precisely!", or so it seems. I fail to understand how one can "ingest" the scriptures, and speak out of a "circumcised" heart, that one should not think. 1 Timothy 4:8 would seem to encourage thinking over physical exercise, though, it perhaps only reaches those who are already on such a path. I did read 1 Thessalonians 5:17, "pray without ceasing" as meaning to be self-aware. Throw in a little Hebrews 12:1 and suddenly thinking becomes one of the utmost priorities. Most of the time when someone charged me with "thinking too much", I took it as a minor aside to be immediately disregarded and discarded. Solomon was a highly regarded figure, of which many of the Proverbs in the book are attributed, such as Proverbs 23:23 which says to buy Truth and Wisdom and such things as one would need to think upon. Captain Marvel ("Shazam") of DC Comics harkens to the mythological status of Solomon's wisdom, keeping it in the popular culture. The Tech sector was heralded as a field of thinkers, at the dawn of the internet and the "Information Age", and was considered a popular area to invest in before and after the "DOT-COM bubble", such that Apple Computer used "Think Different" as its advertising slogan. Thinking was a virtue to be lauded at every opportunity. In more research into etymologies and the evolution of language, I have run into discourse on the word "sophisticated". Many etymologies reference "sophistry" as a root, noting that "sophistry" is most commonly used in a derogatory manner, akin to saying that "somebody thought too much" presumably over something meaningless. It stands to reason that saying that somebody is "thinking too much", is to also charge the Christian religion as being little more than elegant sophistry unworthy of one's undivided attention. A fairy tale beneath the speaker, in line with "Santa Claus" and the "Tooth Fairy". Lacking any real feedback, the speaker/critic does not edify the believer, and does not participate in the friendship activity of iron sharpening iron (Proverbs 27:17). At best it serves as an expression of doubt, an admission of being blind and being concerned about following another blind individual into a ditch of meaningless sophistry, and thus an admission of inferiority a particular topic. The phrase is a "fish", but if you give a man a fish he eats for a day, if you teach a man to "fish", to "think", he will eat for a lifetime. What seed is being planted?

[@unoriginalclips9923]

There is no point to thinking so much that your head gets strung around in a big loop of questioning even what is known. That’s how silly philosophy such as “is reality even real???” emerges. No point in giving yourself a headache like that.

[@caribbeanman3379]

@@unoriginalclips9923 Firstly, you don't have to think too much to realize that religion is bunk. But you do have to think too little to continue holding to religion. So if any theist tells a doubter that they're thinking too much, that theist is basically unwittingly admitting that they don't think enough - or at the very least, they lack intellectual integrity. Secondly, even the deep thinking you consider to be headache inducing and pointless, can actually revolutionize our understanding of the world and reality and lead to advances. I'm sure there were persons who considered Einstein's revolutionary ideas about space and time as "thinking too much". But he unquestionably revolutionized our understanding of space and time.

[@unoriginalclips9923]

@@caribbeanman3379 Well, I’ve thought about it a lot, and still have not reached any conclusion of religion being “bunk.” Aren’t you also the same people who claim we use absurd mental gymnastics to justify everything? Which is it? We think too much, or too little? Jeez, make up your mind guys… Einstein was theorizing entirely new ideas. He wasn’t thinking over and over again in his head if the earth was really round, or if gravity was actually real.

[@caribbeanman3379]

@@unoriginalclips9923 "Aren’t you also the same people who claim we use absurd mental gymnastics to justify everything? Which is it? We think too much, or too little?" > You're presenting a false contradiction. Thinking foolishly is not the same as thinking too much. So there is not contradiction. You don't think enough and the little you do think, involves the use of fallacies. No contradiction in our position.

[@alexandraparadela9548]

Great video, I'm so happy you're back❤

[@cbjamboii]

When they talk about objective morality. If there was one objective standard Of morality how come we now see slavery as wrong after many centuries of Christians supporting slavery ?😂 Same god yesterday today and forever lol