Bad Empanada Debates Matt Binder over...Nazis?

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[@AP-mn4hj]

So, Gantis put the "debate" on his second channel Badempanada2 and he did exactly as Binder said he would: he edited it from 100 minutes by removing more than 30 minutes of it, sections where he clipped Binder out of context and tried to make himself look good, and his yes-men in the comments are eating it up. Any thoughts on what you should do? because he's deliberately falsifying what you said and misrepresenting you.

[@doovde2]

Just because something doesn't make sense to Bad Empanada, doesn't mean it can't exist.

[@UntrackedProductions]

I had to stop watching like 5 minutes in. My god, legitimately one of the most insufferable people I've ever heard. "Debates" like a 14 year old. Hyperventilating over semantics and breaking his arm beating himself off. Also, the bizarre personal insults right out the gate, oof, truly pathetic and strange. It's time to talk to a professional Mr. Empanada. (THATS AN M, THATS AN M IN EMPANADA YOU IDIOTS.)

[@dakunssd]

That's idealism, and every good marixist-leninist knows that idealism is not materialism and therefore bourgeois flim-flam.

[@dudeman5303]

That's the thing bad empanada knew what Matt was saying and he was trying to spin the whole situation for optics, he's trying to rile up his audience for a bunch of drama bloodsports nonsense. He took it all from vaush, who's at least somewhat decent at making it all believable. I used to like Vaush but I've come to really dislike how intentionally obtuse he can be when talking with some lefties cuz he will try to really hone in on something specific they're not even talking about and then he spends the whole conversation trying to make the audience believe the other person believes that outlandish thing as to simultaneously derail what they actually showed up to talk about but also to frame them in a light that makes them look insane or genocidal in some instances (professor flowers clashes but he's had others), it's the textbook example of an ad hominem fallacy and that is quite literally what bad empanada was trying to do too. I mean sh;t, he's trying to call it a stereotype - talking about Argentina taking in nazi war criminals is not a stereotype. A stereotype is an inaccurate generalization about a demographic not just bringing up a historical event. Does bad empanadas viewership mostly not speak English or something because even for a novice English speaker it's pretty clear that he was using the most dishonestly charged language/rhetoric possible and I don't know why he felt claiming Matt was stereotyping would look good when it's all laid out in plain sight for us to see.

[@dudeman5303]

​@@dakunssdlol what? This is a joke right???

[@shabbaranks7968]

@@dudeman5303 you don't think there was any weight to the stereotype? I like Matt he is a good dude but he could of just walked back or acknowledged his mistake

[@tmsphere]

Empanada doesnt know how to engage with other humans point blank, maximum solipsism.

[@danletras]

Exactly. That's the problem --- out of control narcissism, bragging about his channels and his numbers and sounding like Trump. Really disgusting guy. It sucks when fools like this hold ostensibly leftist views.

[@oddjam]

@ᴠᴇɴᴜs ʙʟᴏᴏᴅғʟᴏᴡ yeah but the other issue with that kind of attitude is that he's actually wrong about a ton of shit, yet he tries to educate people on those topic anyway. He'll never believe other people know more than him so he'll never correct himself.

[@GuyShōtō]

@ᴠᴇɴᴜs ʙʟᴏᴏᴅғʟᴏᴡ How many of those viewers touch grass regularly?

[@paladro]

@@GuyShōtō half are bots, look at the join dates in his comment section defending him

[@GuyShōtō]

@@paladro Man Bad Empanda is really pathetic if he's creating sock puppet accounts to defend his inability to interact with other humans.

[@andyboom2004]

In all honesty: I would LOVE to live with the amount of confidence that Bad Empanada has while proving nothing and being extremely smug about it.

[@88monorail]

Take two dunning-krugers and call me in the morning.

[@burgermind802]

This level of confidence is a sign of low intelligence.

[@paladro]

sad empanada's whole gameplan was to go "mmmhmmm" and bray repeatedly that "all americans" believe this or that... very boring and tbh, his voice is utterly off putting and i like generally like the aussie accent.

[@marxwasrightyall]

He’s a narcissist. That’s all it is. It’s egotism. And it’s not pretty.

[@IRGeamer]

No you wouldn't. Do you not realize how difficult making even the slightest decision/determination correctly would be with that much delusion and overconfidence clouding your perception of reality?

[@MeinPillowGuy]

Empanada is always doing this unhinged shit lol

[@paladro]

matt should change his name to Peaky Binders )) sad empanada will forever be a mr bean sounding fringelord

[@marxwasrightyall]

Ya, it’s what he does. He can’t even let anyone speak, he’s always pushing stereotypes on people. He’s always interrupting. Gosh galloping.

[@mirmalchik]

he's such a messy boy lmao

[@omarisawesome1996]

"Unhinged shit" = a disagreement over south america and nazis? They were both mad and talking past eachother. Both make dope content.

[@MeinPillowGuy]

@@omarisawesome1996 I wasn't talking about his content, chill. His content is good, he just picks unnecessary fights with other leftists too often.

[@mysticonthehill]

Matt did excellent, Empanada is fighting figments of his imagination this whole conversation.

[@no_Ray_bang]

citing comic book movies is the height of academic discourse, guys. Maybe I just jumped on stream at a bad point....

[@CaliIzActive]

whoa whoa whoa there buddy, have you never heard the tale of "Deontology a la Thanos" from mastermind Timothy Piscine?

[@majorlazor5058]

To be fair.. that was a Bad Empanada talking point as proof Americans are constantly promoting the stereotype Argentina is a Nazi haven. Binder can’t be blamed for that.

[@RancorousSea]

@@CaliIzActive Ceci n'est pas une Infinity Gauntlet TM

[@imonthevergeoftears1543]

Citing cultural references actually. But I wonder how you’ll explain Matt Binder collabing with a rapist (We’reInHell) and a pedophile (Vaush).

[@hatinmyselfiscool2879]

Do you have any other way to measure what is a well known fact in american culture? Or is this comment making fun the thousands of other historians who analyse roman tails too gain knowledge about their way of seeing the world.

[@les_chegwin]

This is painful, Bad Empanada interrupting Matt, ignoring any responses except for where they allow him to needle Matt on something else. The way he was accusing Matt of having a negative stereotype of South America as being some Nazi stronghold (which he didn’t say?) while also employing stereotypes of Americans as dumb. Additionally the way Empanada started out acting he was some big shot KZbinr, meanwhile his voice was quivering nervously was quite funny :D

[@paladro]

this in a nutshell

[@marxwasrightyall]

He is a narcissist. An egotist. He’s very elitist too. Ironically. He likes to act like he’s above others. He has no idea what so ever about solidarity. It’s just for his ego. That’s why he isn’t a real Marxist. He’s just a podcaster trying to be a capitalist.

[@Spanishdog17]

You have to admit that Americans are dumb though

[@crumbtember]

I don't think it's bad to have or consider possible American "stereotypes" considering it is the hegemonic power. i.e., it isn't the same to have American stereotypes as stereotypes of other countries. that said, I think BE must have mis interpreted something, misunderstood something, or something of that nature. I understand a lot of gripes people have with him, but i also understand his gripes with Sam and the majority report to an extent, but I perceive matt and Emma being more left than Sam, so idk what to think about this whole thing, other than as i said misunderstanding and a bit of defensiveness. I think it's partially reasonable but partially unreasonable.

[@omarisawesome1996]

He shared an article that pushed that stereotype.

[@polkadotmicrochip]

Bad empanada is one of the only leftists i ever unsubscribed from. I thought he was a whiny pedant. In this debate he seems like he is having difficulty reconciling his leftism with his nationalism.

[@Cussy69_420]

Exactly! Like Matt said, he has some nationalistic tendencies he has to deal with...

[@Spencerwalker21]

He's not a leftist it's simple he plays academic I think he literally thinks North Korea is based. He blocked me on Twitter when I pointed out that his china org website didn't prove that China is great for it's workers he melted down crying I'm a nobody then blocked me.

[@swagatochatterjee7104]

Oh god yes. He literally banned me from his chat for just mentioning that Argentina had legal racism like US too. I gave the example of their Anglophone Europhile constitution and the fact that Blacks were not included in the census till 2007. I simply mentioned that Argentina may not be an offender by degree but definitely by kind. That shouldn't ever be discounted. Lol that bilingual then called this polyglot Indian -- a monolingual Yankoid in a very racist overtone. Then I pointed to him that our ethnicity was literally genocided twice in a span of 30 years by Churchill and Nixon (he had a video on Bengal Famine orchestrated by Churchill). He didn't respond anything further and banned me. Lol what a butthurt. This just proved to me that he is no third worldist, and can't handle basic critical discourse. All his other content is absolutely spot on, and has extreme academic rigour, however he is just a smug Gringo who is the unapoletic flagbearer of Argentine Nationalism. I always wonder how can he mix his communism and unapologetic nationalism? There are people like Balkan Odessey who has Yugoslav Communist Patriotism in him, which I genuinely admire, but he is extremely open in discussing the fault lines and the contradictions in the Balkans. Good that Matt mentioned Micheal Brooks. BE would have shat his pants twice before criticising that he is not enough anti-Israel.

[@satiricgames2129]

Isn't he Aussie 😂😂😂

[@soygolpista]

Maybe you should reconsider yourself as a leftist if all your beliefs are based on stupid debates

[@majorlazor5058]

After the debate seeing BE try to reframe the discussion was about attacking Argentina was pathetic

[@Koooles]

Man, I love how BadEmp is all super touchy by someone even mentioning Nazis in Argentina, while he is constantly making jokes about how all people from Baltics are Nazis, lmao. Even more when he goes about "damaging stereotype about Argentina" while as Matt Binder mentions, Russia is literally invading Ukraine to "denazify". What a slimy, hypocritical snake.

[@BadEmpanadaLive]

Hey, did Argentina murder 100,000+ Jews like the Baltics did during the Holocaust? Does Argentina have an endemic government-backed Holocaust denial problem like they do? Does Argentina run military parades honouring Holocaust perpetrators as they do? Just wondering.

[@Koooles]

@venusbloodflow guy has a pre written dialogue tree.

[@Koooles]

When I think about it, he seems even more hypocritical. He is very trigger happy on calling people zionists and had made comments towards Jews and Israel that are very much not nuanced. I mean one guy Tweeted "I was born in Israel and never left, what should I do", he answered "wall". So where is his "maybe we should talk about this carefully considering the damaging stereotypes"? Especially in the mids of Kanye saying he loves Hitler and Elon tweeting antisemitic memes. Or is his logic, because Israel exists, we can be as irresponsible as possible towards the discourse, BUT GOD BLESS SOMEONE MENTIONS LATIN AMERICA IN A SLIGHTLY BAD LIGHT, lmao.

[@esbenm6544]

@@BadEmpanadaLive cry👶

[@IRGeamer]

The power of wilful ignorance and baseless arrogance compels him to new heights of Dunning Kruger fuelled gibberish. “If you can’t beat them with brilliance, baffle their brains with BS.” - BS artists/trump magats/poutine shills/brexiters/stalinists/Marxist-lenninsts/gender critical science deniers/christian apologists/fear mongers/neo-nazis/sociopathic red pilled trolls all over the world

[@eagleleft]

This is literally what bad empanada is. He holds water for fascists and racists

[@omarisawesome1996]

How?

[@omarisawesome1996]

This whole thing is them talking past eachother bc of matts conflation of latino with mestizo and indian. The post war nazis in south america have nothing to do with the shooter. They were white and he is mestizo. He became reactionary because of the rise of online nazism just like BE said.

[@willytalbot1]

Calling matt out for stereotyping while stereotyping matte as a generic American

[@pedrosaraiva]

You see, to him that’s not only legitimate but desirable

[@shabbaranks7968]

@@pedrosaraiva yea that's not the same. American stereotypes have never been weaponised to justify imperialism against Americans. That was part of BEs point

[@jdb5961]

@@shabbaranks7968 Kissing Badempanada's arse all over the comment section

[@esbenm6544]

@@shabbaranks7968 irrelevant

[@maxsmart9116]

​@@shabbaranks7968 SHABBA!!! 😂😂😂

[@gogistyle19]

Badempanda lost it a while ago

[@black-uh1df]

Severe understatement

[@sektorify]

Who?

[@LuisManuelLealDias]

did he ever "had it"? His ilk are the worst. Hakim? Red? Absolute pieces of shit.

[@omarisawesome1996]

Because hes nuanced and makes some youtubers mad?

[@omarisawesome1996]

Can you name something hes said thats completely false? He just has a unique perspective. I as american appreciate hearing a non american academics perspective on our country.

[@christophergreen6595]

Ohhhh... empanada letting his ego get in the way of history. Damnit.

[@BadEmpanadaLive]

My favourite part was the one time Matt Binder tried to cite a source. It was the first result on Google, and he hadn't even read it past the title to find that it was irrelevant to the topic of the discussion. Masterful.

[@black-uh1df]

Look in the mirror; 9/11 apologist

[@littleflags]

@@BadEmpanadaLive Never seen someone project their own insecurities onto someone else as much as you have tonight. It was painful to watch. Like your videos several years ago. What the fuck happened?

[@GreyKnight7777]

@@BadEmpanadaLive Wow you're so mad rn.

[@esbenm6544]

@@BadEmpanadaLive cope harder👶

[@timtebone1843]

He basically said fascists are better than neolibs when he mentioned Lula.. That can only mean one thing

[@GreyKnight7777]

My favorite moment is the caller at the 2:00:00 mark checking in to say "you had to have known this guy was a clown" and Matt's shirt-eating grin. Bro knew. He wanted to jump into the mud and wrestle a pig, and clearly had a blast doing so.

[@stevejoseph4514]

impressed you got 2 hours in

[@BadEmpanadaLive]

He had so much fun that he spent the entire time screaming and on the brink of tears.

[@pablomg91]

​@@BadEmpanadaLivenow again without crying

[@eagleleft]

​@BadEmpanada 2 are you still crying loser? Insane

[@GreyKnight7777]

@@BadEmpanadaLive You were the only one screaming and crying during this entire affair. And even now, in the comments, you can't help yourself. You're a fragile, narcissistic loser. Enjoy that.

[@forrestomintero5553]

This is so dumb. Bad empanada is basically saying "if America has ever used something for propaganda then you can't talk about it because that's culturally insensitive regardless of whether it's rooted in any form of truth."

[@BadEmpanadaLive]

"I'm not using stereotypes I'm just asking questions about black crime rates"

[@black-uh1df]

@@BadEmpanadaLive "I'm not lying, I'm just making s--- up about a US backed Bolsinaro coup"

[@Cussy69_420]

​@@BadEmpanadaLive why you using stereotypes all the time?

[@re-vision_]

He couldn't challenge me on some very simple concepts and just resorted to snide dunks. Not surprising Matt bodied him I wouldn't want to debate Matt about the color of the sky (I'd lose)

[@madanevs]

Dude tried QTing me to dunk on me because I posted screenshots of him being a piece of shit, and his followers were like "Wait but this sounds really bad though", recently checked again and he deleted it.

[@88monorail]

Maybe you would both look at the sky and agree, since you probably aren't going to argue without knowing what you are talking about.

[@re-vision_]

@@madanevs 💀

[@PaladinsFury]

Bad faith empanada, he’s a discount Infrared

[@SM-BSW]

34:41 okay. Musical nerd here. At no point in Evita did Peron importing nazis ever come up. ALW was inspired to make Evita because her body was stolen, and ALW thought the mystique around Eva Peron was interesting subject matter. Weber is not known for making strong political statements in his musicals (Case in point: Bad Cinderella). That's more of a Kander and Ebb or a Sondheim thing. Side note, nobody tell BadEmpanada about the plot of Kiss of the Spiderwoman. His head might explode.

[@dakunssd]

All BE wanted to do was cope and seethe about his grievance as an Argentinian descendant that Americans (supposedly) have this stereotype about Nazis in Argentinia. Something that Matt never brought up. What a whiner. Also, is it a stereotype, or do rich, white Argentinians have a strong bend towards far right politics, BE? Do you want to deny that Third Way politicians in Argentina and Latin America exist and that history makes laughable the idea that Latinos can't be fascists? Whine harder bro.

[@wgjung1]

No, but as Argentinian I am waiting a history lesson from Americans and how our societies work. It's fascinating. Good lord.

[@foolsfolly3476]

@@wgjung1 Don’t lad, these “leftist” Yanks version of Socialism is keepin neoliberal policies out of their country while keepin em in others in order to maintain their living standards; at the same time feignin the need to save the planet while historically and currently they continue to be the main group of ppl responsible for its cause for its pendin collapse.

[@dakunssd]

@@wgjung1 nice try, but I'm not an American. Cope and seethe, buddy.

[@Reprodestruxion]

@@wgjung1 I mentioned you in the call

[@thatindiandude4602]

​@@dakunssdAs well as some European descended Brazilians right?

[@zipporaid]

I dont think this guy knows what the word myth means

[@ToastyMcGrath]

Man, B.E. seems OBSESSED with putting words in Matt's mouth. It was just non-stop.

[@andyboom2004]

It's bad for you to stereotype people, Matt. Now, let me stereotype you as an American.

[@ZO99p]

That must’ve been really hard for you

[@paladro]

@@ZO99p i see you struggling...

[@esbenm6544]

@@ZO99p nice try

[@Rabidmonkey73]

To be fair Americans are by definition more damaging to the world than a million Argentine nazis. The Argentines don't fund regime change and coups around the world, and they're not funding the ongoing genocide of Palestine.

[@thodkats]

Bold of you to upload this, given the fact that you got completely destroyed.

[@katalepsykills]

Yeah. It’s really confusing.

[@jjgdenisrobert]

Stopped listening to Bad Empanada a while back. He argues in bad faith.

[@lucasm2344]

This guy is one of the most unhinged people on the internet.

[@eagleleft]

He is literally competing with destiny on who can get banned more times on Twitter for the most insane shit

[@hadronoftheseus8829]

@@eagleleft Destiny however is clearly much smarter and an infinitely more skillful debater, even if equally disingenuous.

[@hdudidi]

The average American has probably said the word “Argentina” less then 5 times in their life, everyone in America knows that NASA had nazis as well the idea that Americans when we talk about nazis in South America we are throwing shade at Argentina is insane this dumb nigga has main character syndrome, god what a pompous moron

[@crumbtember]

​@@hadronoftheseus8829destiny is an idiot. BE is a dick, often, sometimes justifiably, often not, but he is at least an actual leftist. I'm not excusing everything about BE, but you look just as foolish advocating for destiny

[@JosephFuckinStalin]

​@@hadronoftheseus8829 The only positive thing I can muster to say about Destiny is that he's the smartest Liberal Social Democrat online He's very useful when you need him to ruin Milo I'mnotgayoppolis, Gavin *Maguinnes* , JonTron, those such dbags. But that's it. He's a debate pervert. He's a useful attack dog to sick on mainstream right-wingers

[@oddjam]

It really blows my mind how deranged bad empanada is. Top candidate for "worst leftist on the internet" imo

[@maddiemajcher1640]

He debates like a belligerent right winger

[@paladro]

i think this sad empanada is trying to fill the tankie grifter spot vacated by the pervert maupin...

[@KK-qm1mr]

I was shocked to hear anyone call him a leftist.

[@Spencerwalker21]

​@@paladroalso tankies aren't leftists they worship the government then play dumb that North Korea is based 😅

[@Spencerwalker21]

@@GazB85 worshipping the state like a dictator religion so leftist much wow 😳

[@88monorail]

Matt: "lets have a discussion" Bad E: "sorry, you paid 5 quid for an argument?" Like Matt, but couldn't listen to more that 5 min of this guy who just wants to say "no" while not listening.

[@paladro]

great python reference, caused a deep belly laugh ))

[@Shadowman4710]

@@paladro No it isn't.

[@spacegirlfriend42069]

I love how BE thought bringing up the US harboring nazis was an own. Ah yes, matt binder, famous for his fervent, frothing at the mouth defenses of the united states lol

[@majorlazor5058]

That was my favorite part as well. BE stalked me to this comment section. I responded to his attack by pointing out the long pregnant pause he made after Matt agreed with him on the US Nazi problem. 😂🤣

[@ubahfly5409]

Tankie Tactics 101, More Anti-imperialist Than Thou. Frame ALL debate opponents as Bloodthirsrty State Dept Shills or Clueless Celebrators Of Drone Operator Diversity.

[@pablomg91]

​@@majorlazor5058I love that BE is so unhinged that he responds to comments in THIS CHANNEL!

[@Grassy_Gnoll]

He believes that all Americans are the same. He literally said, "You're a generic American."

[@craigash189]

The point is that vaguely gesturing at South America's history as having anything to do with this American mass shooter is incredibly stupid. The appropriate response from Binder would be "you're right, my bad."

[@matthewmayton1845]

Can we point out that pretty much all countries occupied by Germany during World War 2 do not like to bring up collaboration and their own white supremacist issues. France is trying to reconcile with it, and Poland makes it illegal to talk about.

[@Boconnor401.]

“Not white”

[@DavySolaris]

BE is so profoundly mentally unwell, it's honestly pretty uncomfortable viewing

[@danletras]

@@smartstupidman Being nice to people that you debate on the Internet does not require more "time" than being a dick.

[@mididoctors]

Isn't being nice a default condition you invest away from?

[@Cussy69_420]

​@@smartstupidman "invest time to being nice" You know that doesn't take time, do you? BE chose to be an asshole, that's fine.. No need to lie abut that

[@Cussy69_420]

​@@mididoctors MR Royalty in the building... He'll Yeah!

[@mididoctors]

@@Cussy69_420 I don't have any truck with Bonapartist and monarchy positions

[@dathremo.]

Honestly Matt - if you wanted to waste 4 hours of your life you should have just taken a nap - or played 18 holes at your nearest golf course, both would have been more productive use of your time

[@paladro]

down with golf! its american imperialism ))

[@greggreg1948]

Bad Empanada comes off as an ass just 2 Minutes in. That’s kinda impressive

[@greggreg1948]

And it gets worse from there holy shit

[@greggreg1948]

Is this whole thing just „you used a stereotype 🫵😭“ without any real point behind?

[@greggreg1948]

I think Bad Empanada just had to get the balled up twitter rage out of his system

[@mysticonthehill]

@@greggreg1948 Except every conversation is like this. The man is insane.

[@Keldrath]

He's a grifter and probably the most dishonest person I've ever seen online. He knows enough lefty slogans to keep up appearances but the guy exists to create chaos and stir drama. One of his favorite things to do is try to find anyone associated with the left broadly and find ways to clip things they've said out of context and try to present what was said as their honest beliefs even when they're crafting hypotheticals that are intended to be bad to demonstrate a flaw in someone elses argument. It's depressing how many people easily fall for such blatant manipulation as long as the person pretends to be on "their side".

[@esbenm6544]

Bad Empanada is not a grifter in the conventional sense. What he wants most is respect and to see his enemies suffer. But not by any real principle, by whatever means necessary. He's a little tyrant. We should all be grateful he doesn't have real power.

[@Keldrath]

@@esbenm6544 By grifter I mean he's performative as in an act. I think he's more than likely a right wing psyop.

[@tj12711]

​@@Keldrath I personally doubt that he's a right wing psyop. I think he actually just has severe untreated mental health issues. He's known to be quite unstable, and his actions haven't ever really served to weaken the left, only to weaken himself. I also don't think his tricks work very well. It seems like he has a high rate of churn for followers, bc it doesn't take long for people to realize he's insane

[@hadronoftheseus8829]

@@esbenm6544 This actually much more astute than your other comments.

[@esbenm6544]

@@hadronoftheseus8829 That doesn't mean much coming from you. You and Bad Empanada are more alike than you'd like to think.

[@_buttonmasher]

Matts video has more views than the empanada guy.

[@_buttonmasher]

And more likes…..lol

[@andrewhaxton1076]

For one, there are other media that deals with Nazis in other countries - Apt Pupil, Boy from Brazil etc. One musical doesn't mean much Secondly, the guy who said "colonizers get the wall" when talking about Israel now complaining about harmful stereotypes and tone policing

[@BadEmpanadaLive]

Not surprised that this 3rd tier Majority Report assistant has a Zionist audience

[@foolsfolly3476]

Do ya guys have somethin against the Cuban revolution? “To the wall” was a pretty big slogan the first year or are ye not familiar with the reference?

[@foolsfolly3476]

Wait, do ya lads support colonial apartheid states?🤨

[@black-uh1df]

Do you support the genocide of an entire religious-ethnic group?

[@tmsphere]

He's a Euro-Aussie..

[@z0e898]

10 minutes in and I already wanna tear my head off

[@Honzo13]

You are not the only jeez

[@Reprodestruxion]

Bieneuve, felicitations pour avir redecouvrir la vie

[@huizdacheeze]

Agree. This BE dude is an insufferable shithead.

[@SerLava]

Wait I don't know this bad empanada guy nearly well enough, is this a bit or is he actually a weird rude freak?

[@FloatingErgonaut]

He actually is always like this, even to his own fans. He's legitimately the most antisocial streamer I've ever watched. He's good for some catharsis when you're frustrated with Americans but thats it

[@Spencerwalker21]

​@@FloatingErgonauta long time ago he blocked me on Twitter after I called him a moron for defending China when he hit me up with a literally Chinese org article 😂😂😂😂

[@Rodoet001]

He's better in his own videos. Not in that he's less of a rude freak, but he hides it much better behind a script and heavy editing. He also has a much easier time presenting himself as the intelectual when he fills his videos with clip chimping, heavy edits, lies, missinformation, and some really questionable talking points for someone who is supposedly anti-imperialistic and anti-colonialist.

[@majorlazor5058]

I’ve corrected this guy in his comment section. BE makes a lot of assumptions on what people “really” think and makes ad hominem attacks and just stops communicating when proven wrong.

[@hadronoftheseus8829]

_chuckle_ I can just about guarantee your corrections have been removed, unless George never saw them.

[@majorlazor5058]

@@hadronoftheseus8829 He definitely has shadow banned me. He replied to my correction with an ad hominem and suddenly he and his sycophants stopped trolling me.

[@hadronoftheseus8829]

@@majorlazor5058 Lol, you didn't even have to tell me, I'd have bet at least three fingers that's exactly what happened. He also likes to challenge people to provide some citation, name some example, or make some argument, then immediately shadowban them and gloat as if they have no answer. Binder was almost certainly right that this the most disingenuous person he's ever talked to.

[@Cussy69_420]

Yeah, he's very good at fighting shadows or ghosts

[@stevejoseph4514]

i bet Matt didn't think he'd be debating a Peronist this week on how many Nazis Peron let in and if he truly loved them. lmfao

[@philipbrening433]

And not just Nazis but also Italian Fascists and Croatian Ustase war criminals

[@Cancellator5000]

"Italian Fascism made people's organizations participate more on the country's political stage. Before Mussolini's rise to power, the state was separated from the workers, and the former had no involvement in the latter... Exactly the same process happened in Germany, that is the state was organized to serve for a perfectly structured community, for a perfectly structured population: a community where the state was the tool of the people, whose representation was, in my opinion, effective." Juan Perón. I do nazi a problem with this. Only gringos have a problem with fascism.

[@alexandergisler3524]

Good on you for try to debate this guy, but this is really just too agrivating to watch in full.

[@sofialimon4873]

He 100% titled his stream with "discount sam sedar" because sams name has clout. Bad empanada clout chaser tbh. Also, having trouble pronouncing a word like empanada is not a signifier of anything. What a disingenuous baby

[@CapucineSky]

What a rude man.

[@TwentyNineJP]

I'm American and I have no idea what musical he's referencing

[@potts995]

Well, I was looking forward to this because I like both your channels and thought you could have an interesting conversation, but BE is so antagonizing and dismissive. I think Twitter has seriously frayed his nerves. Life in fight-or-flight mode.

[@Cussy69_420]

Yeah, he's the proof that Twitter brain is a legit condition..

[@lillonerboi504]

Seriously. Like mans can make a video on Operation car wash and do it solidly. But debate brain seems to just overwhelm him.

[@minasmorgul34]

Matt Binder you are awesome! I subbed the moment you called him a "disingenuous a**hole"!

[@robmoss8198]

Honestly admire Matt's staying patient with this absolute chump

[@eagleleft]

I mean matt has dealt with literal nazi trash so its easy for him

[@abealc88]

Lmao, empanada didnt even know what argument he was having. . . so much cope, than claiming harassment. . . dude what a crybaby

[@lakcheong1499]

To think I used to enjoy Bad Empanadas video essays. I have no idea what happened to this dude.

[@DavySolaris]

alcoholism

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

Ever heard of Peter Coffin? Similar situation sad to say... Guys who are totally capable of being kool but chose not to be for whatever reason.

[@potts995]

Twitter has absolutely destroyed him IMO

[@Cussy69_420]

Twitter fried his brain

[@TheRabble1977]

His video essays were really good years ago.

[@svenylford4047]

Matt, you have the will of a saint to not have laughed in Bad-Faith Piñata's face when he started with the "you don't bring the viewers," crap. - a comment that his strategically edited out of his own upload because he knows its a bad look.

[@thuggernaut1473]

I've been casually subbed to Empanada for a couple years up to this point. Can't believe I was after watching this lol

[@MrJrawks]

This dude was horrible right out the gate. Matt Binder is the real one.

[@ToastyMcGrath]

Bad Empanada's entire strategy here is point-picking. The question from the start was "can latinos be white supremacists?" And since he could not answer that without losing face, he had no choice but to quibble over minor details about Nazis in Argentina. Ignoring the fact that Argentina is well-known to be the most white supremacist state in South America, ANSWERING THE ORIGINAL QUESTION.

[@charliechapman7156]

Matt absolutely crushed this piece of garbage. Not even close.

[@endcorruptio]

A Stereotype of Argentina being all nazis only exsists in this dudes head, and evedently a group of Argentinians. Americans donot stereotype argintinians as all nazis. That is not a thing. But that is what would be required to be a "stereotype"

[@josephimperatrice5552]

When I think of Argentina the first things I think of is barbecue, the tango, and football.

[@Cancellator5000]

Exactly. Americans can't even point to Argentinia on a map much less have an opinion about how fascist the country is. If they have any stereotypes it's about south americans not specifically about Argentinians.

[@Cancellator5000]

Honestly this seems like a display of nationalism. They can't accept that people in other countries kind of just don't care about their country. There has to be pervasive propaganda in other countries about their country because their country is important.

[@allysonbeaulieu7351]

lol most americans have never even heard of the rat lines. they’re projecting sooo hard lmao

[@leonardopatrizio]

I grew up in Wisconsin and heard this stereotype many many times. I've seen it on TV and heard it in regular Convo. Until this debate I believed it too.

[@elkidsandiego]

it only took two minutes into this video to realize that bad empanada is definitely a jerk

[@SpaceWampa]

I dunno if I can watch this whole thing Matt but I'm leaving a like in case I tap out

[@arekhautaluoma4276]

I'm laughing my ass off 3 minutes in XD. I loved a few BadEmp vids, and while I was still on Twitter I watched his weird-ass flip-outs. I asked him about chemical attacks in Syria and he went ape-shit. It's nice seeing someone that's level-headed chitty-chat with him.

[@majorlazor5058]

2:32:58 Bad Empanada addressed the “myth” of black genocide in Argentina. He said they “just” imported lots of Europeans. That’s why the black population was reduced to 1% from 20% over an 80 year period. That’s according to Bad Empanada. Yeah, I don’t buy it either.

[@BadEmpanadaLive]

I love that you don't need any sources, you just believe whatever you want.

[@majorlazor5058]

@@BadEmpanadaLive You fell off big time. That was not a good debate performance and you know it. Ad hominem attacks and weak strawman arguments. I did enjoy your long pregnant pause after you called the US a Nazi haven and Binder agreed with you. You clearly did not expect that one😂🤣. You were dealing with a true leftist who isn’t some jingoistic nutjob. You prepared for Vaush, but you got an actual progressive.

[@black-uh1df]

@@BadEmpanadaLive that applies more to you than it does to him. Nazi

[@Cussy69_420]

​@@BadEmpanadaLive L + Ratio + Fell of + Negative Hairline + You're white

[@leonardopatrizio]

​@@BadEmpanadaLive I'm watching this now. Matt goes from saying there is no myth about ever Argentina having a Nazi problem, then saying Badempanada kept trying to downplay the Nazi problem. So I guess what he's saying is it isn't a myth. Argentina has a real Nazi problem. And it is a very old myth. But I'm 33 and heard it my whole life and I grew up in WI. Until this shooting happened I always thought it was true.

[@mgeib12]

I’m only 15 minutes in. This is unbearable. I actually think this person needs help. Gaslighting and projection central.

[@ulquiorra4cries]

Which is more disturbing when you consider how often he claims that people are pedophiles.

[@huizdacheeze]

Fuck, 10 minutes in and it's painfully unbearable

[@emkultra2349]

The myth, the legend:This is my first actual interaction with raw BadEmpanada content...He is as toxic and bad faith as I expected

[@DemandBetterEntertainment]

BadEmpanada proves that you don't have to be sane to make a great video essay. He should not try to have live discussions.

[@Spencerwalker21]

I've never watched his essays or documentaries but I would recommend no one to watch it if he's willing to be this dishonest I can't trust that he's not being a liar on his essays.

[@DemandBetterEntertainment]

@@Spencerwalker21 Empanadas essays are well thought out and researched, but in a live format he gets really flustered and antagonistic. Then it's gotchas all the way down to the bad faith abyss.

[@Spencerwalker21]

@@DemandBetterEntertainment I just can't trust a weasel pos that he's not lying in those essay

[@Spencerwalker21]

Is it well researched or are you just saying be said so. Bro literally blocked me on Twitter after replying that China is great to it's workers with a literally Chinese org as his source. He's a contrarian retard.

[@hadronoftheseus8829]

@@DemandBetterEntertainment People really need to stop staying this. We both know you've never bothered to directly check any of the primary sources he cites and are just blindly assuming his videos are well researched.

[@rogerdestre9980]

Good for you Matt for being patient with this guy. He obviously is trying to make a point where there is no point to be made.

[@Koooles]

Also the point of BadEmp saying that Argentinian right wingers would "celebrate" Nazis in Argentine (when Binder said that a lot of denial came also from right wingers) makes me thing BadEmp is completely out of touch with how right wingers operate (and makes him even worse at analysing and making judgement). It is almost always the nationalists who deny such things the most, most of them want to rewrite history to make their nationalists and their nation look the best. Like for example, the whole deal about sculpture in Hungary downplaying Hunagrian collaboration with Nazi Germany and potraying Hungary as victim was made by right wingers to whitewash their history and is mostly protested by libs/ lefties.

[@balintvass4771]

Except I don't think White far-right fuckers (I don't see how it would be meaningful to talk about non-White ones as they virtually don't exist in my opinion) in Latin America view themselves as nationalists for their respective countries; what they care about is ethnicity, and, if anything, they think they are Europeans, or simply White Westerners, and agents of colonialism. They love the US, and despise their own countrymen This last part is not some conspiracy theory of them being "George Soros' men" or something btw. For example, the dynamics in the mentioned Hungary (I live there btw) are a bit different. We indeed have a far-right government, and the fact that most of the opposition can be even worse than them at times (like when they use unadulterated Nazi rhetoric against the "Russian orcs") doesn't change this

[@mgeib12]

BE is the heavyweight champion of shadow boxing

[@SperaSF]

Just so we all learned at least one thing from this conversation-- did we confirm that Matt Binder is an American?

[@vincentcomeau7844]

I'm still not sure. I mean I did lose count of BE saying "you Americans " to Matt, but I think he didn't quite drill it in enough.

[@666MaRius9991]

It took 5 minutes for Lunatic Empanada to lose his shit 🤡😂

[@pedrosaraiva]

Bad empañada so worried about Argentinian nazis 😂

[@pedrosaraiva]

“Oh yeah? And FDR was racist!” 😂

[@pedrosaraiva]

Bad Empañada knows debating ia cheaper than therapy

[@pedrosaraiva]

Love how he went from "you're making a STEREOTYPE of argentinians!!!" to "yes, there is a nazi problem in Argentina but is it an Azov Level Nazi Problem? check mate"

[@Cussy69_420]

Can someone please think about the Nazis? They have feelings too!

[@homerco213]

It's Monday Matt to the B. Why do you do this to me? Now I need to watch some RM Brown to laugh out the toxins. You're terrible!

[@karmaskunt]

Toilets!

[@LifeIsShort_FuckWork]

Daddy (Aroon) can do no wrong!

[@TrashBandida]

Bad Empanada! Go clean your room!

[@Kataquan]

Mmm adult baby

[@sektorify]

U.U.U.U.Uber cars!

[@dannylingebach3563]

Did you know that sharing historically accurate information is a stereotype?

[@johnsushi2007]

Did you know that using State Department originated stereotypes to further imperialism is antithetical to being a leftist and that Binder should be thoroughly embarrassed for this display?

[@AlizabelaRosa]

i'm pretty sure every shooter in the USA has frequented some or other chan board, if you ever see them you'll see the helicopter meme, it's one of the fav all time memes, it's why they chose "attack helicopter" as their fake gender, because they're posting memes of leftists being thrown out of attack helicopters all day, to claim that south america is irrelevant when it comes to US latino white supremacists is absolutely absurd, people are getting pinochet tattoos in the US but they're not related?

[@2906justblaze]

Whenever I hear the word Nazis, it always make me think of "Argentina". Lol!! Does this guy understand how a stereotype works?

[@leonardopatrizio]

At the 56 minute mark Matt admits BE is right but he also correctly points out that BE doesn't need to be such a dick about it. And he is a dick but he's right.

[@rauldjvp3053]

In this John Oliver compilation, Argentina hiding Nazis is one of the first jokes, at 0:40 “Argentinian tradition every bit as grand as the tango an hiding Nazis, both of which they are flamboyantly good at” kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6SYapR-irSVnJY It was that easy to find an example of the Argentina hiding nazis stereotype, refuting Binder’s entire argument.

[@johnsushi2007]

In X-men First Class, Magneto tracks down Nazis in Argentina. Binder is such a knob.

[@saltking2715]

always funny when somebody complains about generalization and then just does the same in the next sentence. Also Nationalism is only cringe when the US does it, in South America its based. He got you you with the "No u" argument Matt, that was when you lost the debate. take the L. Dunno why BE would say that the US created a myth around Nazis in South America to do imperialism there. He really should open a history book then, cause in many cases the americans where more than willing to crush leftist movements and dissidents with the help of Nazis and Nazi collaborators in right wing dictorships.

[@vincentcomeau7844]

Everything Isaw on this stream about this BE person is that he wanted to use Matt to prop up his own numbers.

[@oddjam]

He's also trying to influence the communities of all the people he considers his online enemies. Look at his content lately and all the people he tries to attack. Also I fucking guarantee the dude has numerous proxy accounts that he uses to infiltrate communities. I could be wrong, but I'm not.

[@StratsRUs]

Empanada has to be a parody.

[@Earnest_Jones]

Big Michael Tracy contrarian vibes from this guy.

[@nguday2003]

Bad empanada failed up for sure. He spent the first 30 minutes misquoting you and projecting his own views of Americans and what we think about Latin Americans. Somebody save us from this guy. This better get better!

[@841Takis]

I wonder if he acts like this on the internet as a way of getting stress out of his life, that apparently is a tactic for some other internet users.

[@basedcentrist3056]

I think people need to realize that Nazism isn't just about white supremacy. Its a deeper philosophy than that. The reason brown or even black Nazis can exist is because the philosophy is predicated on a NATIONAL socialism. Germany was white/german. Argentina is brown/ Argentinan. So the racial superiority will be for the race of brown Argentinians for Argentinian Nazis. There is also obviously a distinct hatred for jews across all nazi groups. And other perceived outsidera they consider a threat to their culture/country You should really know your enemies better

[@gangofgreenhorns2672]

Chomsky would note that foreign press, even Canadian, would have him on to bash US policy, but the moment he tied in, or criticized their home country they'd react just like the jingoist American press.

[@esbenm6544]

Chomsky lost a lot of credibility on that point lately.

[@black-uh1df]

​@@esbenm6544 He's lost credibility long before now. Just look up his apologetics for Pol pot or his defending of the Milosivich regime

[@hadronoftheseus8829]

@@black-uh1df There were no apologetics for Pol Pot. You have absolute no idea what you're saying and are just reflexively parroting what you've overheard.

[@hadronoftheseus8829]

@@esbenm6544 Chomsky supports sending weapons to Ukraine and called Putin's invasion the worst international crime since the Iraq war. But I suppose you think it's "petty" to point this out.

[@black-uh1df]

@@hadronoftheseus8829 It's you who's the one that doesn't know what he's talking about. And it's quite telling that no matter what, Pol Pot, Milosivich, Putin; no matter what regime it is if it's against America, no matter how monstrous it is, he'll back it

[@DjDeadpig]

I ain’t a full on leftist but I’ll say you did a good job on putting BE in his place man. Shame not as many people have decided to take BE head on to make him look like buffoon.

[@Pashanny824]

Going by his words, this guy is doing this as a business. No other substance.

[@lizsalazar8808]

I know 0 Americans who have heard of this stereotype. This conversation is so stupid, it boils down to American bad, brown people countries good😂

[@KazmaKit]

lmao at empanada coping in this comment section

[@TheProblem2025]

Sometimes I’m sad that a lotta ppl won’t talk to BE bc he’s too crazy? But also he seems too crazy to maintain a conversation You hate to see it.

[@TheProblem2025]

I only know about Evita from the RENT reference 🙈 there goes my CIA/gay card

[@DanTheMan13-f7g]

Man... Bad Empanada is so obsessed with Americans, I wonder if he's the real racist here. He is so sure that EVERY American supports this imperialism idea when all he has is... nothing. Like it's one thing to bash Coutry and politicians for such horrible ideas... but why blame on innocent people who did nothing wrong to his country and say right to his face that they don't support such idea? Man... and I thought he was alright when he talked about that Vtuber, what the hell was I thinking?

[@DanTheMan13-f7g]

BadEmpanada in a nutshell: How DARE you stereotype my country while I'm continiously making a stereotype that ALL Americans support Imperoalism idea with no evidence? How DARE you?

[@yippieskippy2971]

He privated it?! 😆😆 Edit: even tho it felt off at the time, it sure turned out to be a good thing you showed the dms, esp since I don't use Twitter.

[@BirdBrain1337]

I cannot imagine taking the time to entertain speaking with Sad Handpie. There are more important charities to contribute to than one sad man's wallet.

[@mariosharks]

Badfaithempanada

[@mysticonthehill]

Badempanada has the wonderful idea to argue a dying/dead stereotype introducing thousands who would have never known the Argentine Nazi haven perspective because it brings him clicks. Yup we have got a real friend of Argentina here.

[@leonardopatrizio]

We all know the stereotype. If you are going to tell me you never heard of it and you're an American you're lying.

[@Cussy69_420]

​@@leonardopatriziobut it isn't a stereotype, dude!

[@leonardopatrizio]

@@Cussy69_420 well tell that to bad empanada. You'd be his target audience. Me personally, idk.

[@black-uh1df]

​@leonardopatrizio no, he's right it isn't a stereotype. You just bought a lie

[@Cussy69_420]

​@@leonardopatriziowhy would I be his target audience?

[@majorlazor5058]

As someone subbed to both Matt and BE, I feel I’m objective. Matt destroyed BE.

[@Shadowman4710]

No, BE destroyed himself. Matt merely handed him the gasoline and matches.

[@majorlazor5058]

@@Shadowman4710 I can’t argue with that 👍🏾

[@Doughtube]

As an American, I agree with BE that it's a stereotype that Nazis went to Argentina. I first saw this Idea in X-Men First Class when I was like 8.

[@Simouno]

I like BE usually, but after watching almost 4 hours of this debate i still ain't understood what his point actually was. A mix of whataboutism and victimhood that lead to absolutely 0 coherent arguments. Disapponting

[@esbenm6544]

Yeah I get all my takes on Argentina from Evita. Just like everything I know about cats is from Cats.

[@mikepike7139]

Yea i dont know what this is supposed to accomplish except farming content/drama

[@ColinMichaelOConnor]

Matt Binder is Sam Seder^10 (tenth power) 🤓 I can only aspire to have the poise and temperament that MATT BINDER employs against sheer ignorance.