Sam Harris and Cenk Uygur Clear the Air on Religious Violence and Islam

[@vpr3i]

I'm more intrigued by Sam's patience than his intelligence.

[@shanilemeow2942]

vpr3i Medititation for many years.

[@justinclark216]

His patience is on another level. I admire it.

[@diegocervantes7946]

those 2 go hand in hand, you cant separate.

[@comanchio1976]

+deflair lais Not necessarily. Some brilliant people can have a volatile nature. Which can be quite entertaining. I find Sam's approach/character more admirable, though.

[@diegocervantes7946]

+comanchio1976 no doubt. I just said that because Chunk doesn't have patience for shit when he hears something he disagrees with, then goes on with a very UN-intelligent response and sometimes rant that doesn't make any sort of sense. I dont totally agree with sam but i am more influenced to listen and ponder someones thoughts when they aren't screaming "OF COOUURRSSSE!" "JUST LOOK IT UP"

[@DustinMDEtmanski]

Am I supposed to like for Sam Harris or Dislike for Cenk ?

[@MrSmertnick]

My thoughts exactly!

[@Rellikan]

Not a conundrum at all. The liking system in KZbin is flawed when it comes to these types of videos because in this situation Cenk gets benefit when you like the video for Sam Harris or for Cenk. If you liked the whole discussion then I suppose you should like simply because Cenk's organisation made this particular discussion possible and comment here why you disagree with him.

[@Rellikan]

Yes, it's highly likely he probably will never read most comments here because there's too many. What is it you are trying to convey?

[@Rellikan]

I don't think he was a complete failure. If enough people see your view some will upvote it.

[@chibhatt24]

Yes.

[@libertyordeath1211]

I just hope KZbin doesn't fill my feed with TYT videos cuz I watched this one video.

[@12FU]

that would suck!

[@GameWorks12]

Caleb Barker they always do that shiy

[@jcbynum007]

1) If you sub TYT, you'll see their videos in your feed, 2) If you respond with "Like" or "Dislike" their videos will be in your feed, 3) CLEAR your History playlist often. A lot of the Feed and Recommendations are influenced by your History playlist. :)

[@blazedandconfused477]

You can just hover over recommended videos, click on the little three dot menu and select ''not interested''.

[@libertyordeath1211]

I appreciate all of your concern. Thanks for the tips

[@croczOTK]

Who’s watching this in 2024

[@Oceankage]

Sam looks like an idiot

[@loveurlife4ever1]

Which is best, Law abiding citizen, forest gump, green mile 51st dates Hancock click or Stepbrothers “Lex Fridman is dangerous” 16 min inspirational video on KZbin ends w the poem “if” by R Kipling

[@madmomma112]

This definitely aged well

[@wilbertwallace6655]

Holy shit, I didn’t even notice this is 9 years old. Dudes look the same.

[@wilbertwallace6655]

I like how the show is just called “interviews”.

[@OzymandiasRamsesII]

Cenk Uygur is maddeningly obtuse in this interview, seemingly determined to misunderstand well-explained distinctions and showing a disregard for the accurate representation of his guest's views.

[@gavrielkostonov1234]

I lost the very little respect I had for Cenk Uygur long ago. For all the self-righteous pomp he gives off when speaking on human rights, he has taken the position that the Armenian Genocide never happened. A self proclaimed Liberal that takes the same position as the current Turkish regime is most suspect.

[@TheMuskokaman]

This is what happens when you play football or pro boxing. ;-)

[@rationalagenda7083]

from what I understand, Harris isnt expecting everyone to agree with his ideas on Islam, but what he does expect is to be able to raise issues for mature intellegent discussion without hysterical reactions. He has a point - very well illustrated by Affleck

[@NathanielHarari]

I actually took a couple of notes of things which occurred to me during this discussion, but I haven't written it up yet. I'm not sure if I will, but it made some things very clear to me while watching it.

[@NathanielHarari]

***** Thanks. Not sure it's really worth my time though. Most people here know my opinions already and I'm not certain most want to hear me repeating myself. :)

[@nicosmind3]

I tried uploading this to Pornhub, but apparently rape is not allowed by their terms of service. When i was a christian my church didnt even hand out or teach from the old testament. It was new testament only. And being born and raised in Northern Ireland i can tell you, with 100% confidence that its not about religion. Its about sovereignty. There are catholics and protestants on both sides. As well as atheists and other religions. The IRA which now is mostly catholic was started by protestant farmers. Not catholics. No one ive ever known, and ive known a lot of enlisted terrorists on both sides, have ever stated anything about faith or brought it up. They only talk about sovereignty. For 37 years sounded by this shit, and im not cherry picking. And yes there are religious people on both sides, some very religious. Never once heard any of them talk about religion in the context of Northern Ireland.

[@TearsoftheAeon]

savage

[@alexherbert9404]

Hahahahahaha......belter mate....!!

[@bachezjulius]

Funniest joke in this whole tread

[@johanarbraz6868]

+1

[@bricecate]

Booooooom! Well done

[@sxyy2559]

I don't know whether to like for Sam or dislike for Cenk

[@ericmckayrq]

Me too

[@drewdalasta5062]

it's a TYT video. easy dislike.

[@paigehensley5226]

same... but I disliked forCenk. Thumbs up for Sam, but I don't want to inflate TYT heads with a like.

[@morningstar4873]

Dislike for the TYT

[@fromearth6282]

gabs s Word...

[@moviesfan5513]

Sam has patience of the saint.

[@sunnyday7102]

What do you mean?! He’s a xenophobe and has zero understanding about Islam?

[@Mor928]

Sam is intrinsically graceful with tireless tolerance.

[@kieran5302]

​@@sunnyday7102if that's what you think, you must have a room temperature IQ.

[@mohammadtajabadi]

@@sunnyday7102 He's not a xenophobe! And he understands the dangers of Islam very well!

[@user-tc5hl4wd6s]

​@@sunnyday7102I found the indoctrinated one 😅

[@EvanJayREALTOR]

It must be scary to find out that you're totally outmatched and still have 2 hours and 59 minutes to go in the interview!

[@andyhaze77]

Shank is the epitome of a moronic argumentative interviewer, who starts out with every possible “bad faith” position on someone’s views. Probably why no one cares about him anymore.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

if cenk didn't raise his voice every time he opened his mouth the interview would be 50% shorter.

[@jhnnytyler]

Cenk found out quick didn't he ? LMAO !

[@kaufmanat1]

Not scary if it's actually an interview. This however was not...

[@MatteoPrezioso]

lol nasty!

[@politicalpulseshow]

The Better question you guys are missing here is, "How did Sam manage to keep his leg in that position for 3 hours straight?"

[@naieemali1114]

That's his physical stance that perms into his superiority complex.

[@cembalina8454]

Eye on America News Years of meditation??

[@MrSHIRLEY81]

and jiu jitsu

[@omarlives]

I was noticing the same thing but he switches his legs if you pay even closer attention.

[@seanbinghamvldable]

Or why nobody ironed the bottom of Cenks pants. He looks like a child dressed him. lol Am I the only one driven nuts by that???

[@aj-tg]

Credit to TYT for not disabling the comments section

[@williamwhitfield6225]

I wouldn't give them to much credit it's more likely thier arrogance that caused this situation driving it. When you turn off comments or take down a video your essentially admitting defeat and waving a white flag. Cenk and TYT will never admit wrong or fault they will just double down on it. Cenk's the kind of guy who walks away from this interview when any sane person can see he looked completely ridiculous and ignorant. And high five all his employees and ho "wow what a asshole that guy is, we really took it to him. I feel like that whent really well for us". And all his employees who are scared to criticize clap and agree.

[@jamesnicol7077]

My inclination to agree with this statement is evidence of how pathetically censorious the left has become

[@kelvinnguyen3038]

credit to The You Tube?

[@jesserogalski1402]

Nope. Just like bombed their own video lol

[@Iamradthad]

Lol I never thought of that 😂

[@LuigiMordelAlaume]

Holy crap this is 9 years old and literally nothing is different. This is so depressing.

[@welliamd2463]

yup, now he thinks nazis were benign...

[@LuigiMordelAlaume]

​@@welliamd2463I just heard around 30% of evangelicals believe they'll have to resort to violence to maintain America. I wish we had stats about how many Germans voted for the Nazi party when Hitler rose to power... I wonder if it's a plurality of support around 1/3rd...

[@motorhead48067]

@@welliamd2463He said Nazism is benign by comparison to Jihadism. If we’re being remotely charitable it’s pretty clear that he was just trying to say that Jihadism is worse than Nazism, not that the Nazis were literally benign. I mean let’s use our thinkers for a second here; you really think Harris thinks that the Nazis were benign despite everything he’s said in condemnation of them and of the Holocaust? Come on now brother. The very fact that he’s using Nazism as his point of comparison with Jihadism in and of itself tells you that he thinks Nazism is bad.

[@eyesyc]

2000 years old. It's lame.

[@PorGaymer]

sam harris turned out to be a grifter, repeating Isreal zionist propaganda and a absolut clown overall. Things changed, youre just stuck in a bubble you clown.

[@MeserithSama]

Did Cenk just disagree with probability?

[@thorondor4012]

Samuel Simms OF COOOOUUURSE he did

[@fulca4389]

Cenk just discovered another branch of probability theory... professor “it’s probable that” student: “hmm, based on Cenk theory, we just don’t believe that!”

[@conneradamek474]

JUST GOOOGLE ITTT!

[@candycolriv]

C Adamek 😂😂

[@dewilew2137]

He really did. I understand what he was trying to say, but he missed Sam’s point entirely. It seems like he just disagrees with everything for the sake of it.

[@terrygrant9140]

Cenk actually believes he is Sam's intellectual equal. Cenk's chair is smarter than he is.

[@BastiaanvandeWerk]

It's worse - he even seems to believe he's the smarter of the two.

[@travelssrb]

Cenk level of hubris is just outstanding in this video. There is nothing more dangerous than a moron who thinks he's intelligent. Cenk thinks he won this debate along with the one with Ben Shapiro and it just goes to show his intellectual delusion.

[@stealthassulter]

You don't even know what intelligence means... So shut the fuk up

[@joelundheim1060]

Sam is obviously a smart guy, but I feel his analysis is flawed, Cenk is right in calling him out on a.

[@bfrankwithme4514]

@@joelundheim1060 you're right lol

[@fjordan2345]

Cenk - Makes Point Harris - Responds directly and backs up his viewpoints Cenk - Disagrees (or agrees and disagrees)... deflects with unrelated point Repeat for 3 hours.

[@Philo-ul2uq]

fjordan2345 so true

[@someonegetsteve]

Sam Harris comes across as calmly ...petulent, arrogant and egotistical as ever. The way he starts (calmly) is: how dare someone say something negative about him on the internet and what an asshole his host, Cenk, is. Wow. He's not gracious about the Interview at all, he's not original, and (to be honest) it's hard to stomach that this type of person has a legion of males that swamp every one of his videos with comments and congratulate themselves on how he wins every argument. You're following a rude, idiot who you've mistaken passive aggressive, pseudo intellectual verbosity for real world articulateness who is actually just petty and snide, a little racist and sexist and who no actual academic considers groundbreaking or original. But yes, he is passive aggressively calm which means he's superior, right?

[@ionutradoi4327]

I cannot disagree more. Sam Harris is a fake intellectual.

[@themask4775]

hahhahahahaha

[@elfbruh]

someonegetsteve although your criticism of a lack of originality is warranted, misrepresenting his point as merely "how dare someone say something negative about me on the internet" is exactly the kind of thing he was defending. the principle of misrepresentation was the primary issue corrolorated by the fact that the aforementioned misrepresentation was done by journalists claiming or implying their professionality, and that Cenk was at fault for participating within that same sphere of intellectual dishonesty. I personally don't understand your claim that he is both somewhat racist and sexist, and for the most part, the conversation seemed to be an attempt at civility. if someone were interrupting me and misrepresenting my views, then yes; I would more than likely be passive aggressive.

[@pedromeditsch8612]

Everytime Cenk opens his mouth, I want to leave this video. But when Sam answers, it makes me want to stay a little longer. I've never been so divided. I need to sleep, and I'm simultaneously regretting being here and also enjoying it quite a lot.

[@valkyren4414]

Lol this is so true and I am in exactly the same position, needing to go to bed, wanting to leave everytime Cenk talks but then staying because Sam starts talking hahaha

[@loveurlife4ever1]

Which is best, Law abiding citizen, forest gump, green mile 51st dates Hancock click or Stepbrothers “Lex Fridman is dangerous” 16 min inspirational video on KZbin ends w the poem “if” by R Kipling

[@loveurlife4ever1]

This is funny af lol

[@13CaptainPrice]

It was inevitable, but this was the day The Young Turks died

[@ilcrawfo]

Completely agree.

[@danieldevito6380]

13CaptainPrice Actually, TYT was dead on arrival. How could they have ever expected to be credible when it's just a group of radical, liberal morons, lead by the biggest imbecile they could find?

[@theylhompst]

Then Ben Shapiro stomped on their grave...

[@cax1175]

​@@theylhompst The guy who was too scared to debate someone like Kyle Kulinski lol?

[@justjax6000]

lmao Cenk doesn't understand how probability theory works. This was the video that killed TYT for me.

[@tbone0785]

I can't for the life of me understand how he didn't comprehend what Sam was trying to say. The concept isn't that hard to grasp.

[@wissamabdallah7279]

same

[@HighlandArmsM1911]

Raeven008 I guess that's the difference between learning to argue as a lawyer vs learning to argue as a philosopher. The fact that Sam Harris even has to waste his time on a so called "debate" like this is disappointing.

[@justjax6000]

Tom Liu but if the mormon faith were real, jesus would return in the states, but if jesus is real than he would also return somewhere in the middleast. He wouldnt be able to be at both places. So its equally probable that a fiction characyer can return in either location because its based on fiction

[@Tommah1000]

Just Jax absolutely, that is why Cenk wasn't wrong saying that they were equally ridiculous, except he defended it wrong. But, it was just funny that they were both using math to prove their points, but math is about precision, and they both failed in that regard. For instance, on Cenk's part, 2 + 2 = 5 is not as wrong as 2 + 2 equals 6, it is 1 closer to the right answer. no one would think that 2+2 = 4.01 is equally as wrong as 2 + 2 = 10000000.

[@Lucas-ih4th]

Sam Harris, the most patient person on planet earth

[@7Be]

Lucas Jakobsen Idk, I think is have to give that to Richard Dawkins for putting up with that Creationist lady. Can't remember her name.

[@asif9877]

When did this happen? WHEREISTHEEVIDENCE WHEREISTHEEVIDENCE! lolol

[@MCMaterac]

dr Jordan Peterson has lot of patience as well, trying to reason them SJWs.

[@tidal9]

Because it's considered rude to get impatient with retards.

[@xvipurplemoney7793]

I think it’s because he meditates

[@steventai65]

Note to self: Don't debate an intellectual giant unless you are totally prepared, or Cenk

[@Noah-sl8cu]

You want to marry Sam Harris?? You clearly are in love with him hahaha

[@avenuePad]

"Intellectual giant" 😂

[@076657]

Sam Harris' patience is UNBELIEVABLE.

[@aghadmtl]

and Cenk's stupidity is INFINITE

[@076657]

Also true. He can't understand that hitting two birds with an arrow is less probable than hitting one. He thinks it's the same probability because it's so small. Very dumb guy indeed.

[@aghadmtl]

OF COURSE! OF COURSEEEE!

[@Exodus27]

He is a real-life Jedi

[@er9875]

Thats what long term meditation seems to do

[@Thebear1057]

I miss Christopher Hitchens :*( atleast we have Harris!

[@CryptoChanakya]

Same here

[@loveurlife4ever1]

Which is best, Law abiding citizen, forest gump, green mile 51st dates Hancock click or Stepbrothers “Lex Fridman is dangerous” 16 min inspirational video on KZbin ends w the poem “if” by R Kipling

[@TechGamesAU]

It was at this moment, five years ago, I unsubscribed from TYT.

[@valjohnson7112]

same lol. somehow this video came up in my recommended again today so I came back to look at the comments

[@jonnyboy5357]

Im just arriving to the party...arrived here from watching trump best roasts videos lol..i seen right away tyt for what they were..scum...cant fkn stand them! Lol

[@danielmclean3733]

This was the night Dave Rubin quit

[@DeepSkyDude]

Same.

[@vaden706]

Ditto, this was my moment of clarity... since then after seeing their regressive, racist agenda driven show I was appalled that I ever followed their channel. Now I stop by on occasion just to laugh or red pill the comment section

[@RainbowYak]

As a Historian, I do need to make some corrections regarding both Cenk's and Sam's remarks about the Middle Ages. Cenk in particular seems to have been greatly influenced by TV documentaries, which unfortunately depict Europe's Middle Ages as an extremely bleak, barbaric and bruel time. This is largely a modern spin, however, as Sam pointed out. Contrary to Cenk's assertion, Europe DID have libraries; many of them in fact. One of the largest and most famous medieval libraries was that of the monastery of St. Gallen in Switzerland. It still exists today and it can be visited (it's a really beautiful place). Medieval libraries were private but this was equally true for the ones found in the Arab world. Public libraries are a very recent phenomenon in world history. Europeans also founded universities as early as the 12th century. The late Middle Ages in particular were a time of great learning and innovation. To claim that all the Christians back then were fanatics is ludicrous. There was an entire class of clerics who were really pious but ALSO very interested in the natur al sciences, medicine, engineering etc.. Today we call them scholastics. Scholasticism was highly influential in the history of science and philosophy and the Renaissance likely wouldn't have been possible without it. The Middle Ages also weren't as cruel as is often believed today. For example medieval people did NOT burn anyone at the stake. There were no witch hunts. All of these events happened during Early Modern times (16th-18th c.). Even the inquisition didn't really get going until Early Modern times. This is important because something significant happened right at the end of the Middle Ages: the reformation. Contrary to popular belief, it was the Protestants, NOT the Roman Catholic Church, who harbored deeply sexist, anti-semitic and otherwise toxic beliefs. This actually makes sense when you look at what these people preached. All the famous Protestant preachers used the phrase "sola la scriptura". Today we'd call them religious fundamentalists because this is literally what they were. They believed that only the Bible mattered and that it should be interpreted to the letter. The most radical of these religious zealots called themselves Puritans and ended up moving to North America. This is another common misconception about history by the way: the Puritans weren't pushed out of Europe. In fact, most European kingdoms at the time (and the UK in particular) treated them with a great deal of tolerance. The UK under Elizabeth I. even enacted some protections for Jews, so why would they hunt down fellow protestants? In truth, the Puritans WANTED to leave because they couldn't stomach the liberal values in Europe. They moved to North America specifically so they could build their own little theocracy over there, being sure that no one would bother them in their fanaticism. Lastly a word about anti-semitism during the Middle Ages: while anti-semitism doubtlessly existed, Historians generally differentiate between structure and events. It's important to do so because if we don't, we get a very twisted view of the past. For example natural catastrophes were singular events, they weren't structure. Now, in the case of anti-semitism, pogroms did occur but they didn't occur every day or even every year. Let's not forget that we're talking about a time spain of 1,000 years here! Not every person in the Middle Ages was a raging anti-semite; in fact, the overwhelming majority probably wasn't. People in the past weren't different from us today, they had just as much empathy and love as we do. People did have far less information back then of course but nowdays we've got a lot of fake news. In my opinion, religion certainly contributed to anti-semitic pogroms but it wasn't the decisive factor. The decisive factor was the lack of law enforcement. If 200 neonazis today would try to commit a pogrom in Cologne, the city government would immediately call on their police force and perhaps the federal government would even call in some military unit. Medieval cities did not have this option, so once a pogrom got going, there was very little anyone could do to stop it. And while it is true that Jews were prohibited from taking on various jobs, which is doubtlessly anti-semitic, they often excelled in fields such as medicine or trading, where they were usually highly respected by their Christian peers. So, it's important to be very nuanced about these things.

[@declanbrown5056]

This was a very insightful and interesting read, thank you for sharing! Out of curiosity, do you have any material like books or fact based historical websites you would recommend to someone like myself whos not very knowledgeable on these things?

[@InfernoG-or4s]

All that shit for 5 likes

[@PVRTYANIMAL]

@@InfernoG-or4swell it’s 9 so it’s worth it..

[@Anacaona92]

Gem 💎

[@placebojesus5652]

@ConnorGrayaon-or4sy @SADGOD633 Now it’s 10 likes so I think he’s finally got enough likes to feed his family and live in peace now and forever.

[@duartepereira5529]

Sam: We gotta think deeper. Cenk: error 404.

[@brutallyhonestfreespeech9062]

Unfortunately that is what happens when pseudo-intellectuals talk with intellectuals.

[@rileystewart9165]

I think Cenk is smarter than average, just not in Sam's Domain. Also you can obviously tell Cenk is intimidated based on his hands, face and posture. This can make it harder to demonstrate your views.

[@brutallyhonestfreespeech9062]

@@rileystewart9165 Well, I'd argue that he is more knowledgeable than average, not 'smarter'.

[@rileystewart9165]

@@brutallyhonestfreespeech9062 certainly more knowledgeable. No question.

[@brutallyhonestfreespeech9062]

@@rileystewart9165 His TYT is also paid for and funded by globalists with specific political interest. I have no doubt that they give him certain knowledge that he must know for certain topics. He was essentially a lawyer who studied management. This also contributes to his ability to think clearly on certain topics, regardless of how ignorant he chooses to act about certain things that people such as Sam Harris talks about here.

[@jgambler1188]

This interview did cenk no favors.

[@ToveriJuri]

+Jason Gamblore Most of what he says doesn't. He's the broken clock type of guy when it's comes to being right about something.

[@MattFoleysGhost]

Cenk's mouth in general does him no favors.

[@YuMa-oi1mj]

+Ray K and how is that any different to the total simplyfied statement made by Sam? "poverty doesnt cause crime. Islam does. hurdur" And whats with all you uneducated people and your "I see snow, so global warming is not real" logic. Just because someone is educated and fighting "against" the USA doesnt mean he believe in 72 virgin or allah. And what kind of idiot would call those people "happy". They go to a warzone to die. How the fuck can you call their previous life "happy".

[@eliteviktor3]

+Jason Gamblore Nono, at 56min he did have a solid fucking point!

[@JordanMedina]

+Yu Ma ...... Just listen and watch jihadists as they make their last prayers before blowing themselves up. They are in religious ecstasy. "We love death like the enemy loves life," say the true believers. You are thinking logically in saying that this is madness, and that no one could think or live this way. However, it's a sad fact. Think before you talk shit.

[@PaulLadendorf]

Did anyone else notice the difference in emotional maturity between the two...not to say anything about intellectual ability.

[@Hunn1313]

Quite a bit. Mr. Harris was speaking to an arrogant child. Cenk is embarassing, unwilling to listen. Cenk just waits for his turn to speak; most of the time not waiting but rudely interrupting.

[@yoboychilli8173]

at least cenk is not as bad as the emotional ben affleck

[@FilterBySubgenre]

true

[@g0vinda337]

Yea Sam Harris acts like a 5 year old. Everytime you see a Sam Harris video he has to spend a half hour defending himself. Watching Harris speak is like watching Donald Trump.

[@alexistousignant722]

Trying to get other people to understand you should have the highest priority in a discussion. With Cenk constantly ignoring points he made, that did already answer his question, Sam had no other choice but to elaborate on his ideas and stands on certain issues. If there was someone that acted like a 5 yeah old, it would sadly be cenk here...

[@Dr_Muad_Deeb]

3 hours of Cenk missing the point

[@alobaydisheikh]

Yes the point was Sam doesn't like upty brown people. If the Muslims decided to just hand over thier lands and resources they will be fine. Sam is nothing more than a garden varity racist Zionist piece of shit.

[@iwantanxbox8765]

Intentionally

[@jackstar5208]

Who lets Cenk debate? He just embarrassed himself!

[@julie-mt2xr]

Disagree. Sam contradicts himself the entire conversation, not to mention his stammering every other sentence.

[@fredthemanish]

+Julie Irvin sam rarely ever stammers, he is definitely one of the most articulate people alive, cenk keeps saying dumb shit and it throws him off.

[@ephilbin]

Can you point out where Sam Harris contradicts himself? I'd like to see your point.

[@nicholew350]

A genius... People watch these videos just to see him make a fool of himself. Doesn't TYT make money off view counts? Someone is making bank off of his stupidity. I still believe he thinks he's winning though.

[@marishanameyer6132]

Actually he did not at all. I have noticed this with atheists before they do not think for themselves, they think like dawkins or Harris...etc...just as bad as religious people really.

[@Alkamar96]

Cenk: *States feeling or opinion* Sam: *Rebuts with fact* Cenk: But Sam, *States disagreement ignoring facts* Sam: *Reinforces with facts* Cenk: But Sam, I disagree. *Changes subject and repeats the cycle*

[@kakapoochie]

Alkamar96 well said

[@allroundlad]

What facts? That white people get to use the 'mental illness' excuse but Arabs are perfectly fine, they are just acting in the name of Islam? Get your head out of your ass.

[@LobsterUpgraded]

Yes it's more realistic a white man shooting a bunch of people is mentally ill vs a group of like minded individuals shoot a bunch of people or act against them as a group. Sure obviously there are people within the group that are mentally ill.

[@aiamerica1320]

This

[@allroundlad]

@@johnavi You better be joking

[@dvalle1100]

I was a fan of TYT and until I saw how Cenk incorrectly cited facts about Harris' arguments on Maher show. I just unsubscribed.

[@Summonergeek]

Yeah, I've noticed he gets things wrong now and then but I don't think it's worth ditching the entire network. I don't have time to read ten papers a day and rely on TYT to let me know when cops is cappin` folks and no one else talks about it.

[@dg1431]

LOL Thomas, I hope you're being sarcastic. Otherwise you're part of the problem.

[@mu0FFpu0FF]

Same

[@kakalis2323]

He gets things wrong now and then is not the criticism. The criticism is intentionally misrepresenting your opponents viewpoints in order to persuade viewers to your side. When your news source does this regularly, as TYT does, then it's time to unsubscribe

[@Drderp-hd5bb]

well done, that was my turning point as well

[@amarkernawi3217]

Sam Harris, I applaud your courage, your knowledge about the subject.

[@AdamSmith-kl1rs]

So happy with how this video was received. These comments give me hope for humanity

[@rapmetalchannel3740]

+Adam Smith Yeah, Cenk is a cool guy!

[@AdamSmith-kl1rs]

+RapMetalChannel clearly I meant the negativity against Cenk. He's a bombastic, incorrigible, infallible, dickhead. Sure I agree with him on many things but overall he's a douche that asserts himself beyond his ability.

[@gavdobs]

my exact sentiments

[@dieterhofner7043]

+bm3racer You clearly have no idea what racism is people like you destroys the important word racism. You stupid bigoted racist:)

[@AdamSmith-kl1rs]

+bm3racer no need to call names but I think Sam is just honest and realistic about the threat we face. He's not afraid of calling things as they are, for example you simply have no reason (at this time) to be worried about a Buddhist being a suicide bomber, it is not racism, not bigotry, not intolerance or islamaphobia, it is just the reality we face.

[@robg8203]

Damn, I think Cenk has been watching too much TYT.

[@jasonwood7340]

This is my favorite comment.

[@DeepBanana]

LOLZ well said, he should probably lay off the buffalo meat too!

[@JohnAC4]

Deep Banana hehe

[@agamemnon4889]

That’s genius

[@albert3671]

Ben Stiller: Hi my name is Sam Harris Cenk: Even if I were to grant you that, and I definitely do not grant you that

[@SoArafa]

Hahahahahaha

[@dsstudios3524]

This made my day, thanks

[@maxbants7737]

I don't believe at all that Cenk is failing to grasp the various criticisms that lie unique in Islam, he is simply practicing selective-ignorance and defending it out of favour for his mother culture and even says as much early in the interview.

[@mohamudhersi8850]

If we talk barbarism it is more of christians than muslims. It is in the Quran that you get if you kill a human being is as though you are killing the whole of humanity. When Jews are persecuted in the hands of christians it is muslims who always protected them. What islam is against for instance immorality, abuse other people and kill other without a reason. It is absurd someone like Sam Harris to defend west and attack. When Muslims ruled the holy land they protected all people who live in Holy. Later when christian crusaders captured they killed almost all people in the town regardless of their religion Muslims, Jews etc. When later Salahudin Al Ayubi conquered he did not kill the people in the town regardless of their affiliation. Look today what christians are doing in support of zionists persecution of the Muslims in Palestinians. Therefore, when you compare the followers of the two Muslims are superior in terms of high moral ground compared to christians. Christian UK and USA (christians) who we can not finish the atrocities you have done to the other non christians communities in the 20th and 21 cenntury. Start colonialisation of other people, viatnam war, Middle east disaster, Afghanistan onslaught (20 years of atrocities), continued support of apartheid zionist state and so on and so forth. If we compare as whole people Muslims were always more peaceful than christians. That is fact.

[@Noah-sl8cu]

Speaking on things you have no knowledge hurts yourself more than the people you’re talking about, if you can read i suggest doing that more

[@maxbants7737]

@Noah-sl8cu which is a non argument. Let me translate what you just said so absolutely everybody is on the same page: "lol no".

[@herroyung857]

⁠@@Noah-sl8cuFriend, Sam laid it out plain. Islam is unique in its promise of paradise, virgins, and everlasting happiness for those who die in the process of murdering and converting as many non-Muslims as possible. Which explains why the vast majority of suicide bombers and terrorists currently are Muslim. And Cenk never refuted or even acknowledged this point (as of an hour into the talk) as if his subconscious refused to face it.

[@jackbrooking4754]

Cenk: I think we probably agree on about 90% of the issues. *Proceeds to disagree with every logical point Sam makes*

[@robertbeaulieu3739]

He maybe was talking about the 10 percent they don't agree. Not Hard to understand unless it's you apparently.

[@jackbrooking4754]

Robert Beaulieu He makes a cloudy statement at best. “There’s a lot of stuff we agree on, I’d say -At least- 90% of our views are similar if not identical” They then spend the next 3 hours discussing and debating ideas about religion and politics etc. The most common thing that comes out of Cenk’s mouth is “I disagree with you on that.... or I agree and disagree” just seems to stand to reason that they clearly don’t agree on the majority of important issues so his premise at the beginning was unfounded. Not that hard to understand unless it’s you apparently.

[@robertbeaulieu3739]

@@jackbrooking4754 your reading way too much into it. Just say you don't like the guy or tyt and it doesn't matter what he says.

[@robertbeaulieu3739]

@@jackbrooking4754 and stop stealing my lines smart ass.

[@jackbrooking4754]

Robert Beaulieu I don’t like Cenk or the young Turks. I’m not overly fond of Sam Harris either, I value his opinion and intellect far more than Cenk true but not out of a fondness for him over TYTs. Maybe I am. Maybe you’re not reading enough into it. I have to surmise that you’ve exposed your own leaning in this discussion. Acting as if disagreeing with Cenk means I’m hating or taking a side. PS You made the smart ass comment first. Not me. You want to throw the line at me I’ll throw it right back.

[@ilikemr2s]

Check says he is atheist but gets reeeeeeeal defensive when it comes to Islam.

[@jjmcweaver4522]

and early in the debate he states that even though people disavow their birth religions they still tend to get defensive when someone criticizes them....he meant that towards sam i think but its blatantly obvious thays why he defends islam so furiously and attacks jews and christians. its his familial religion. bottom line whos the ones commiting the atrocities here and now? which religion is unable to catch up with the times?

[@junkscience6397]

25:35 Cenk basically refuses to admit the validity of the Pew poll (and his guest's claim that "extremists" does not mean "30% of the religion".) 26:10 Cenk: "NO!"

[@ES350gitgapped]

Which implies nothing except that he cares about people, even those he does not agree with.

[@ES350gitgapped]

@Kim Numero Uno The Armenian genocide thing passed. Wasn't that addressed on TYT by Cenk and Ana? Having a different opinion on Islam vs other major religions does not mean it's a bias. I see how his reactions appear biased, but I think that's just how he converses. I'm with Sam Harris on this debate/discussion, regardless.

[@bricecate]

He even laughed off atheist who used to be Christian's, saying people always defend the ideology they grew up with, then fights hard to defend islam.

[@TheSabatuer]

as an xmuslim, i can wholeheartedly say, Sam understand Islam's doctrine and behaviors more than any muslim ive met, his precision in language and reason is really special. *~I respect Cenk Uygur~*, but he is really doing a bad job at this interview, he seems reluctant to actually tackle any of the arguments proposed, just looking for his turn to speak and come up with a counter argument, most of which are irrelevant. 1 hour into the discussion, CENK, huuuuge disappointment!

[@TentaclePentacle]

totally agree putting Cenk and Sam Harris side by side, cenk looks like a total moron.

[@TheSabatuer]

It almost feels that Cenk is being to quick to judge, while arguing out of his sense of insecurity towards Sam's reasoning. rather than the points presented!

[@JustinCredible786]

TheSabatuer Give me some of the arguments that Sam Harris made which intrigues you.

[@TheSabatuer]

Most of his arguments are reasonably founded with solid statistical/mathematical/logical basis, doesn't mean they are 100% correct but rather are founded in good reason/logic and therefore excellent starting points to the topic at hand I agree with the notion that Islam of all Abrahimic religions is being subject to more VALID criticism, rightfully so, duo many finer points and fundamentalism and literalism only found in islam! Islam is in dire need for reformation and less literalism, otherwise it will be responsible for its downfall, i have little doubt about that I like the ideas about doctrine and behavior and the links between them. His notion that "extremism" is infact the norm in most Muslim countries is 100% true, ive seen this countless times in my experience, specifically because he made the distinction between "professed believe" vs "actual belief" - a crucial point because theoretically islam is an extremest ideology, but until cognitive dissonance affests your subject, it is considered very normal Islamic behavior. Is there sthg in particular you were asking about?

[@JustinCredible786]

TheSabatuer > 'theoretically islam is an extremist ideology' > Elaborate.

[@brotherben4357]

How can anyone take Cenk seriously? He’s an embarrassment sitting oppoosite Harris.

[@sadekjn]

Isn't this the interview that made Dave Rubin leave TYT?

[@thorondor4012]

Zachary Xavier how is he a hack? He spends his time interviewing people far smarter than himself... and concedes points honestly when he's outmatched. What's hackish about that?

[@redcommander27]

Just because you disagree with him doesn't make him a hack.

[@McWhatevs]

I think you should actually watch The Rubin Report. I'll admit my attention span is too short to watch some of his guests all the way through in one sitting, but he allows them to have their say and stewards the conversation to illicit something meaningful. There's no agenda, canned questions or answers, censorship or preconceived opinions. It certainly has an anti-left bias but that is because the extreme left has hijacked the rest of the left, leaving the rest to voice their frustration with it.

[@RiverNeverKnows]

basically yes

[@businessgoose6057]

Sadekin Khan money made him leave.

[@johnspitz4551]

Sorry Cenk Uygur, you might have left Islam, but unfortunately Islam did never left you.

[@sonykroket]

Very true, sir.

[@arcenox]

That's what I hate about ex-Muslims. Pretty much all other ex-religion groups can point out the wrong shit of their own religions+all the others while most ex-Muslims feel this sense of responsibility and bonding with Islam even after losing their faith in it. This is coming from an atheist Turk

[@yojan9238]

+Shlomo Goldbergblattrosenshoahstein may be the fire of "tawhid" still burning deep inside him.

[@yojan9238]

+Shlomo Goldbergblattrosenshoahstein may be the fire of "tawhid" still burning deep inside him.

[@yojan9238]

+Shlomo Goldbergblattrosenshoahstein may be the fire of "tawhid" still burning deep inside him.

[@brianbransfield]

This is like Floyd Mayweather fighting my Grandmother.

[@5easy]

stephen Toth painfully unfunny

[@stephentoth6003]

Axhiro Madlander Aww man, i remember when i posted that thinking "if Axhiro Madlander doesnt find this funny im just a failure, and hell never invite me to go hang with the cool kids" . So thank you for being honest. I guess ill never get jiggy with it now

[@5easy]

nice man, you passed the test by not caring about my judgement. Welcome to the frat.

[@X12-g4j]

What a comment 😂😂😂

[@alexanderthegreat7985]

agreed

[@chrisnoyes3906]

Summary: Sam: all religions aren’t true Cenk: yeah but my previous religion isn’t as bad as the others!

[@highpeaks3598]

Cenk now claims to be a Muslim now. He always was an Islamist, just said he was agnostic to be trendy and be acceptable to gullable liberal whites.

[@thetruth5574]

Yeah! Don’t know why anyone takes Cenk seriously

[@snorttroll4379]

And islam is actually bad?

[@99Lezard99]

​@@snorttroll4379probably even worse then the other 2 big religions. just look around in the World and youll see that countrys that are run by islam or at least near an islamic dogma have the worst laws for blasphemy, apostasy, homosexuality or lgbtq and women. and then you take a deep dive into religious terrorism and youll notice that almost any noticeable organization is of the islamic "spectrum". and then you look at countrys were there have been a lot of muslims accepted as refugees or migrants and they almost all have a rise in certain violent crimes. if they have taken in a lot of them. look at sweden, uk, germany, netherlands, denmark, france for example. everywere were big numbers of muslims migrated to, certain crimes have risen. especially in the last 10-15 years. why is that? because the majority is badly educated and they come from a deeply patriachical society and culture that was basically formed by islam. that is not the only reason obviously but it plays a huge role in how they think and act. thier social upbringing in an islamic society.

[@anzebenko6466]

I think it's very racist how Sam Harris mops the floor with Cenk.

[@Clifton100]

HAHaaaaah

[@teotop958]

My coffee came out of my nose...

[@Plutonia001]

That's gross, that's racist!

[@MuckaRoomi]

haha great one!

[@devinnicolle3791]

+Robert J Barnes I love this comment

[@kevinjarrett6841]

Cenk: well I’m not qualified to talk about that Sam: I am 🥵

[@genepryor2023]

Lol cenk shit his pants for the 12th time that moment

[@bb8328]

3 hour conversation ensues.

[@Kellethorn]

Lol SERIOUSLY. I laughed out loud at that moment. Cenk, dude... how do you respond to that! Lol

[@yj9032]

Thug life

[@davidzuniga5740]

Time stamp?

[@sderfgtyhdjkdeshjdfs]

The Birth of the Rubin Report

[@HeelTJ]

Koch money was the birth of that show. Rubin is very slick to use this as an excuse though

[@neonlost]

The birth of the Koch gravy train 🚂

[@ImpulsesOG]

Gotta love the replies to this

[@sarenareth689]

Guess the fact that TYT continuously embarrass themselves like this had nothing to do with it xD Wouldn't wanna be associated with this shit show either, Rubin made the correct choice. Even Kyle Kulinski has regularly called out Cenk lately.

[@Theroadneverending]

sderfgtyhdjkdeshjdfs the birth of leftist and conservatives forming a new party to combat leftist ideology

[@jamesa2482]

This is why I will always defend Israel. Islam has to go

[@markhermanson2046]

Sam lays out clear concise arguments, none of which are bigoted or racist. His points are data driven and relevant to today's world. He is indeed considering all sides of the argument. Cenk continually sets up straw-men of Sam's position, as many have done. If you rationally consider Sam's position and carefully listen to his wording they make a lot of sense.

[@heyhey89674]

He lays out clear and consice arguments many of wich are wrong, like the idea that the Syrian or Iraqi people would care if ISIS soldiers died in an airstrike. What they do care about, as we have seen in dronestrike tormented areas, is if their familymembers die and civilians. The fact that Harris seems to ignore this is yet another idication that this guy is taken way to seriously and doesnt know what the hell he is talking about.

[@markhermanson2046]

Auraruth8 He explains clearly how bad he thinks collateral damage is. Did you watch the whole thing?

[@D3nchanter]

Auraruth8 Mark Hermanson The problem I have is that Cenk really can't understand sam's VERY simple point about doctrines having straight lines to how people behave and how christianity and islam are not the same.

[@markhermanson2046]

Denchanter357 Right, he corners Cenk on this point twice. 1. Why aren't the Christians in Palestine participating in the violence, they are in the same socio-economic position. 2. Why do we take a person at their word when they claim to have committed crime for material reasons, but some dismiss it when they give a religious reason. They both agree on most of it .. it seems they disagree as to what weight all of the environmental, political, economic, religious, mental, and societal factors hold. Fine, they can all play a role.. but it's only religion claiming to be the one and only solution, the system that claims to trump all other factors.

[@st105900]

Mark Hermanson Denchanter357 i think cenk clearly understand sam's premise of beliefs leading to action. and sam does make logical conclusions based on this premise, which however are wrong. not because he got the premise wrong, but because his premises are insufficient. as a counter-point to your question, if doctrine leads to behaviour, then i find it logical to ask why there hasn't been any muslim voilence in USA? here is a thought experiment, i hope you will be honest with yourself: if all the muslims in middle east suddenly by some miracle renounce islam right now, do you think the violence would stop tomorrow? the honest answer is no! i find cenk's point of view more nuanced. it seems to me that harris is so engaged in his own thoughts that he forgot that some of his writings are squarely in a political arena. and there are much better political analysts of the middle east than harris. also being irreligious or being an atheist is not equivalent to being an islamophobe.

[@N91CZ]

3 hours of Sam running intellectual circles around Cenk.

[@friedricengravy6646]

......not really. As well, any person with real self confidence has no need to belittle others as a grammar nazi lol U r entitled to ur opinion. I’ll allow u to believe that I cant spell your lol

[@kevinbrittingham9276]

@Dear dad sam is actually extremely intelligent and well-versed in the subject what have you had published?

[@kevinmm20]

@Dear dad That's just not true

[@kevinmm20]

@Dear dad Oh ok.. Islam is a massive pile of bull shit anyway

[@kevinmm20]

@Dear dad Oh so you're delusional..

[@codyhowell5234]

I've never seen someone blatantly miss so many points in one conversation.

[@josiahz21]

You haven’t seen much debate I guess. Really good one with Jordan Peterson where the interviewer strawmans him like 30 times.

[@codyhowell5234]

@@josiahz21 The one with Cathy Newman? that one is terrible

[@josiahz21]

Cody Howell yes. Worst misrepresentation of a guest. She purposely didn’t look at his opinion and inserted her own into every single question. Like sam said smelling smoke and yelling fire when in actuality he was making toast.

[@tanushko]

Cenk is like: "But the christians killed a lot more people than muslims!" Sam is talking about the doctrine, which is fundamentally different. Straight lines from doctrine to behaviour. That's the key here that Cenk doesn't seem to be able to understand, because he takes it personally. He says he isn't muslim (religiously), but he is a muslim culturally, which is why he can't resist to feel insulted by Sam's explanations.

[@donsolis12]

Going by that statement, if the doctrine was so important in a religion followed by 1.6 Billion they would have wiped out the entire planet of non believers. The immature and desperate white supremacist ideology that Harris spews is rife with hypocrisy, the last 500 years o-f history of Christianity compared to Islam is not even close. He would be better to just embrace this stance of Racial superiority he thinks he and those that look like him have, than try to compare it to any other religion like he did here. He's lucky he's not up against an historian who is versed on the subject, because he would have been torn a new asshole on the subject.

[@AndyG_MTB]

This intellectual bullying, Sam's playing 3D chess and Cenk's still trying to get the hang of hungry hungry hippos

[@reticularimismariocuomos3823]

AXG remember when Clinton was playing chess and 3D chess and in real world trump won cuz he was playing hungry hippos and twister!!

[@Nero-xv]

A better anology would be tic tac toe. The complexity of Sam's arguments are very clear to wrap your head around.

[@stefjonesee6180]

AXG hahahaha nice one!

[@12FU]

hahahahaha

[@GuamTippedOver]

too funny - legit laugh out loud

[@deceo2119]

I think I just found Sam's "Cathy newman"

[@patrickwalsh8913]

Sam: makes nuanced, educated statement. Cenk: I'm 50/50 on that

[@bernardcurtin1524]

Touchè

[@micahvandervaart8533]

Was trying to think of a comment that would be most accurate. This is it haha Feels like Sam is playing chess, Cenk is playing checkers, or trying to colour within the lines.

[@micahvandervaart8533]

Got 34 minutes in, and had to turn it off. Cenk cannot unpack anything Sam says. I am not a fan of Sams beliefs, but he’s a genius, extremely patient and articulate, and I’d have a beer with the guy any day.

[@diabl2master]

It's a decent comparison. Both enjoy misrepresenting their interlocutors positions. Cenk does it more subtly, however, but still blatant and pathetic.

[@amanuelamanuel]

I can't believe Sam managed to try to comunicate with this guy for 3 hours. I would have lost my cool

[@BastiaanvandeWerk]

Well - I guess Sam has a bit of a sadist (or a masochist) in him. This was pure torture.

[@Thisisahandle701]

@@BastiaanvandeWerk He has been meditating regularly for over 20 years

[@ChaunceyDos]

His "interview" with Ezra Klein is almost as bad. Sam's composure is almost as impressive as his eloquence.

[@TheSycaman]

Lol! You're a fanboy. You don't think for yourself. You aren't cool. I am sorry that l had to tell you.

[@Darkpara1]

Harris is actually a vulcan, he's never lost his cool in a debate.

[@M.aGhzadeh]

Cenk : Disagreeableness: 100 Intelligence: 0

[@Tommah1000]

The intellectual distance between these two men is quite astounding.

[@NRGFL0]

It's like watching a football player discuss islam with a scholarly person... oh wait...

[@iDalisMediaTV]

I disagree, in fact Cenk continues throughout the interview to rephrase and wrap his questions up for the audience, he may have to work on his expressive wide eyed nature which lends itself to you thinking he may not be as intellectually prowess as Sammy boy....but I disagree. He in fact as the interviewer, has a much greater burden than Sam since he has to carry the interview, keep the pace, know the next question, listen in the moment and keep the audience informed all at the same time. Which is alot harder than it looks.

[@danieljohansson3082]

Watching this discussion made me feel like Cenks mom must be his dads cousin.

[@Thegrandvoodoo]

+iDalisMediaTV Hosting an interview is a sign of intellectual prowess? do you know how dumb that is? something tells me that you would be unable to think your way out of cardboard box.

[@kevinparsley6806]

One of them is trained in philosophy, where one class would teach focus on truth values and how to construct arguments. Frankly, some of the arguments, while valid are not constructive. The goal of those arguments are clearly to illustrate that divide, and ultimately to discredit.

[@dukedematteo9126]

Never seen a guy so intellectually overmatched in my life.

[@MarthMain]

Rick Jacobs bruh I saw that interview and JBP didn’t destroy anyone. They just talked pass each other that first time. I really hope they both get it right with those new talks they are doing. I say this as an avid Peterson and Harris fan.

[@bmillemo]

Yep. It was like watching a toddler trying to debate a neurosurgeon about surgery techniques.

[@functionalschizophr]

Yes Harris is a rocket surgeon when it comes to measured calm debate with a train of facts....he rolls over people and they crack in two trying to get him to convert to their fallacies...and he just hits them with more info...he know more about Islam than Cenk the ex-Muslim

[@ruaraidh74]

Wait until you see Ben Shapiro vs Cenk

[@danieldevito6380]

Rick Jacobs To be fair, Jordan Peterson is on a whole other level. JP is operating at heights above everybody so you really can't use that to judge.

[@JoshuaCasper]

Cenk, "I'm not qualified.." Sam, "Well, I am..." -- sums up the entire talk

[@damascus21]

A cognitive neuroscientist is not qualified to make statements about the sociopolitical consequences of religious belief.

[@swisshakilla]

C

[@JoshuaCasper]

damascus21 "He feels that the survival of civilization is in danger because of a taboo against questioning religious beliefs, and that this taboo impedes progress toward more enlightened approaches to spirituality and ethics."..

[@garysanders6091]

Joshua Casper I feel that the discussion should be had though.. Cenk has been preaching anti-Sam Harris for a while now, so Sam should have a chance to defend himself.

[@malcolm-danielfreeman5940]

cenks a political commentator - if they were talking politics/economics i think it would be the other way around

[@per.holtstrand]

Cenk Uygur isn't a fan of battling serious moral questions.

[@covill07]

If I was to wager a guess, I would wager that 95% of why Cenk left Islam is because of bacon.

[@Justinsingleton83]

😂😂😂

[@JButterZJ]

the reason he left is only to always say that he left and take that as an argument why he is objectiv

[@cullenarthur8879]

@@JButterZJ so he's faking when he say's he's an atheist to appear unbiased when it comes to islam?

[@jensen8058]

@@cullenarthur8879 honestly I don't know about Cenk. But I know so many people doing this for the exact reason you mentioned.

[@cullenarthur8879]

@@jensen8058 personally, I find that hard to believe. I'm an atheist, so I find it easy to believe that he's an atheist. For a Muslim to leave Islam and declare he's an atheist is not a small deal, and most likely would not be done for such a stupid reason.

[@vader1a]

I like to ask myself if Sam had said the same things as he stated about Islam but instead towards Christianity, would Cenk have had a problem?

[@vader1a]

Totally.

[@MrMarioSm]

+starryian007 deep inside he still likes islam more than other religiouns (even though he doesnt belive it) he still protects it

[@mlb5656]

+vader1a I agree that he would have a different opinion, but not bc he was muslim. The left tends to shy away from criticizing minorities, less powerful etc. I agree with most of what Sam says, but when he criticizes Islam my first reaction is to say no Sam you're wrong. Only after I give it a few moments of thought I realize Sam makes a lot sense. So I think it has more to do with Cenk trying to stick up for the underdog.

[@Snowy_Weather]

+vader1a Probably not. That's the saddest part.

[@benatpc]

+MrMarioSm That and his hatred of Christians and Jews.

[@JStrummer1]

Cenk is so bad at this I have to hope he never attempts to take on an academic again. For his sake. Embarrassing.

[@themichiganman8717]

You should see him debating been shapiro if you think this is bad

[@tonyrobledo2318]

The way he said at the beginning of the video "he has a B.A." no respect in his introduction.

[@onelove7354]

What do you expect from a Turk (Erdogan)

[@healthstartshere]

Are you kidding? This guy Sam Harris is an embarrassment to real academics! He’s not very bright at all! Cenk is just being classy and biting his tongue.

[@JoshAbbott431]

healthstartshere how do you figure that? Cenk is horrible at this.

[@henry6451]

I would love to hear a body expert analyze the sitting postures of these two. They are distinctly contrasting..

[@ashyboy1324]

"Sam Harris is an intellectual black belt" - Joe Rogan

[@DonDraperism]

Hardly, but Cenk may very well be the most stupid person on the planet.

[@ashyboy1324]

Ajay Harry I don't think I've ever heard anyone say anything with less value than what you just said. See what I did there? You probably didn't.

[@SM-wu4fp]

Cenk testifies to his ignorant bias very well by defending Salon the cesspool of fake news .

[@ashyboy1324]

Igor Dvorzhak chomsky is a great intellectual and to be honest sometimes Sam's criticism of Islam comes off as motivated by something more than dedication to an honest understanding of ideas, however I dont think Chomsky's assessment is complete. Take a look at Hitchens' views on Chomsky I think they're on point.

[@mastervolume1508]

Joe Rogan is smarter than all of you. That's for sure. When was the last time Sam Harris wanted to talk to you?

[@LeonIdrisAzevedo]

Sam: The earth isnt flat. Cenk: We half agree and half disagree there, Sam.

[@wolfie6320]

JUST TRYING TO HAVE A REASONABLE DISCUSSION!

[@andrewdevine3920]

You forgot to say 'right?'.

[@Quetzalcoatl_03]

That is the one way in which i still respect TYT, at least they don't censor or hide away criticism.

[@ekitkatjj8619]

HeiosDK TYT POLITICS, YES. AND PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE EXCEPT CENK.

[@outofslumber]

Sam wouldn't touch that with a barge pole. He would have to explain why the North Star stays stationary and hasn't moved significantly throughout human history.

[@jameshayes2934]

It is a disappointment that Cenk didn't seem to understand logic or reasoning and seemed more interested in rebutting rather than discussing

[@neilwendylauren]

IMO he does understand. He is being intellectually dishonest.

[@neilwendylauren]

***** Good point

[@freemanwalking1867]

James Hayes FUCK ALL U IGNORANT BIGOTS!

[@TheMusterionOfRock]

borhanus Then watch it again, because you didn't understand what he said. He is not playing any blame game, but you have to be honest about that religions are not the same and some religions are worse than others.

[@neilwendylauren]

borhanus Then you need to read some of his books. The irony of your comment is that most of Harris's criticism is specifically directed at Christians.

[@OnceUponReddit]

This is crazy, this is on tyt’s channel, and I’ve scrolled through the comments for 15 min and have yet to find a positive comment for Cenk. He’s so dense, he can’t grasp anything that Sam is saying, and he can’t understand that he’s not proving his points to anyone but himself. It’s pathetic.

[@johnnieloftus5620]

Yep...

[@kostazarikos3383]

Keenan Blackburn odly enough plenty like chenk ugh

[@bobbyspivey3721]

Sam: "I'm here because you grossly misrepresented my views." Keek: *Grossly misrepresents Sam's views for three straight hours."

[@jameslourenco1570]

And then a week later he tells Raza "ya he (sam) thinks its ALL muslims"... intellectually bereft and dishonest right to the end... Cenk was well on his way to reason when he left cnn but then he let that parasite ana kasparian latch onto him and he made a left turn and drove straight on with no stopping til he reached crazy town... he should have stuck with wolf pac and focused more on that initiative instead of belching his opinions at us

[@HP-sq2fp]

James Lourenco yep. That’s my issue with a lot of the left (saying this as a left leaning person). They’ve become so deeply embedded with identity politics, PC culture, and “protect ‘brown people’ at all costs” that they’re unable to objectively analyze problematic behavior/ideology. That’s why they need to resort to “well if you’re objectively analyzing problems within Islam, it’s just because you’re prejudiced against Muslims and therefore you think all Muslims are bad”. No reasonable, logical person even needs to say “not all....” because a logical person already knows that nothing applies to ALL people, because you don’t know ALL people so you can’t reasonably make an argument applying a characteristic to all people of any group. Again, a logical person doesn’t need to hear “not all....” prefaced in an argument because it’s already implicitly implied that nothing applies to ALL. only idiots need to clarify an argument with “not all” and it’s just a tactic to divert from valid criticisms and to avoid having an honest conversation about problematic behaviors among their choice “protected groups”

[@Genarii]

@@HP-sq2fp The current state of the left has forced me to change description from "far left" to "center left." Anything illogical or unreasonable will be detrimental to the cause in the long run.

[@DHCWorldWide]

hahaha

[@citizenghosttown]

@@Genarii I look at this way. Leftists like Cenk aren't liberal or progressive. They are illiberal and regressive.

[@KyleClements]

Cenk is trying so hard to misinterpret what Sam Harris is saying. Is it deliberate dishonesty on Cenk's part, or just his profound ignorance showing?

[@longgone23]

What you call misinterpret is him being critical?

[@zylo999]

When he cannot even find common ground on the definition of the basic laws of probability, yes I do think he is misinterpreting.

[@longgone23]

Well, he might not be much of a philosopher. But that wasn't the most important point in the debate was it? For example his points about slippery slop of torture is not a bad one, just because Harris manages to sound more brainy and logical doesn't mean he is right. Now it's Trump's presidency. I'm glad torture is not allowed.

[@shannongoatright7025]

I don't think it's deliberate, I think there's suggestion shown throughout the video that Cenk is unable to detach his own bias from his viewpoints.

[@hittman1412]

Cenk is just dumb.

[@Amos_Lee]

Can we get an update? Very relevant conversation for today.

[@davidlabelle361]

Cenk, just give it up and say "I've got a soft spot for Islam because I used to be one, and my family still is. Therefore, I am going to deflect by tossing in all these red herrings like 'But..but..but Christianity!'" It makes perfect sense for you to feel that way, and nobody would begrudge you those feelings. Just be honest about it.

[@emptyhearted9981]

..........

[@thelodwenn]

+Dave LaBelle 39:11

[@tcvttcvt4305]

totally agree

[@evilcranberry]

+Dave LaBelle He said something very similar to that towards the beginning when they were talking about religious identity

[@Locustmaster15]

***** That's because he is a complete moron

[@Sims3loserTheAwkwardSimmer]

I'm so confused. Is Cenk intentionally pretending not to understand what Sam Harris is saying or is he serious. Either way it's annoying. I don't know how Sam Harris didn't didn't get frustrated and walk out. And the way Cenk just kept putting words in his mouth and then Sam had to keep explaining why that wasn't his point of view. But for the most part it was only a few instances. I don't get how Cenk thinks that Sam should be responsible for people that misunderstand his views and then go on to misrepresent him. He's being as clear as possible, it's not his problem if people are too stupid or too lazy to understand. Also why can't Cenk just admit that the doctrine of Islam is worse. It very obviously is. It seems to me that Cenk wants Sam to provide a simplified answer to a vastly overly complicated issue. It's ridiculous. Great discussion for the most part!

[@Sims3loserTheAwkwardSimmer]

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[@americanslime]

I think Cenk was just saying that Sam has a way of setting up hypotheticals that are just begging to be taken out of context, or are concerning even in context because Sam sometimes writes one thing and means another. Like saying you can kill people for their beliefs when what he really means is you can kill people once they have committed violent action as a result of their beliefs and have every intention of committing more.

[@Person01234]

Sam is doing a lot of "I interpret christianity/islam/whatever this way and so everyone else must interpret it this way too". He's saying "you can't find justification for X in Y", then saying "if someone says they did something because of Y we should take them at their word"... well then, there clearly IS a justification for X in Y, just not in his particular interpretation of it. He seems to think he knows it all, that because he doesn't adhere to a specific belief and he can see many ways of interpreting the books, that therefore they're the ONLY ways of interpreting the books. And he keeps reiterating the same point, that Z is worse than Y because you justify X in Z but not in Y when many people, however irrationally (which is a given because religion itself is not rational), have done just that.

[@StgAeY]

Person Oisels no u actually completely missed the point. Sam's clearly said each religion can be interpreted differently; and his point, which seem pretty logical, is that there are certain aspects of a religion that makes certain interpretation more likely(for example, difference between Muhammad and Jesus and their teaching), which Cenk refused to admit for some reason.

[@Person01234]

StgAeY Actually, Cenk pointed out that history proves it's just as easy to view christianity like that as it is Islam. Sam will then say "but jesus blah blah" but no, that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it's easier for YOU to rationalise being kind in christianity, history clearly shows that it's just as easy for the masses to accept huge amounts of violence in christianity's name as it is Islam's, if not more so.

[@Leperking4922]

Omg Cenk was outclassed. This was embarrassing. Like cringe worthy

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

You have a clear bias.

[@patrickwalsh8913]

@@michalandrejmolnar3715 you're right, he is biased in favor of logic

[@GoogleRuinsAnythingItTouches]

*Of coooooouuuurse*

[@upplsuckimcool16]

This was not an out classing at all. Sam convinces me more often of his position, but Cenk makes a great case on a lot of it. IfI weren't already of an opinion, this would not have been enough to sway me one way or another. (as it shouldn't for anyone, but I'm tlaking in the context of this is all we have.)

[@cityman1111]

totally embarrassing for Cenk to think that he should be on the same stage as Sam Harris.

[@meorgegoran]

10 years to the day since this gem dropped

[@whatup4998]

Here after Joe Rogan said Cenk was out of his league on this interview

[@chosn12001]

You got a link?

[@proudleftist6899]

Cenk is a ex Muslim , he knows more about Islam than Sam dose

[@warpdarkmatter7629]

Proud Leftist that doesn’t mean anything. There’s plenty muslims that are ignorant to what Islam is, just like there are many Christians ignorant to Christianity. See the Nation of Islam and westboro baptists

[@proudleftist6899]

Warp Darkmatter yea but he left Islam after he found out it was wrong , so he is more educated than a random Muslim , also he knows more than Sam as Sam knows about Christianity , not Islam

[@Stephen-zw7km]

@@proudleftist6899 Honestly, I want to adress your username. How can you promote and support a group of people mislabeling and attacking others who don't conform to their ever-changing radical ideology?

[@Laxori666]

Not sure whether to upvote for Sam Harris or downvote for Cenk

[@josed.vargas3961]

Laxori666 Sam Harris's name is first in the title so upvote

[@meta1storm]

rate based on whether you enjoyed this conversation.

[@DaveWhoa]

i just headbutted the keyboard

[@romerolamas]

Dave Smith 😂😂

[@skenney8325]

Which did you do? I'll do the other. I only wish I could down vote him repeatedly . . . but I shot my TV screen.

[@josephjohnson8502]

I'm surprised the comment section hasn't been disabled yet lol.

[@richardv4211]

Joseph Johnson lmao

[@avatacron60]

LMAO!!!!

[@josephjohnson8502]

Seriously, lol.... This video alone can probably account for tens of thousands of unsubs... Libs usually cut off access to the information well when it doesn't help their cause.

[@Demention94]

Joseph Johnson That's because the people in charge are disabled.

[@Zorn101]

The comment section is always mentally disabled.

[@joecahill1994]

Quite a pleasant discussion to listen to. Thank you Sam and Cenk!

[@colinwriter]

Watching these two, it’s obvious to me, Intellectualism needs weight classes.

[@professorzoom7800]

Best underrated comment 😂

[@bartdrenth3753]

Good grief. Cenk is out of his league here.

[@AshMaybeAllen]

Do you think HE realizes that? Nope. He ended this interview, looked in the mirror and said, "I just slammed a prominent intellectual. I am...CENK" He is THAT guy.

[@johanocampo5422]

@@AshMaybeAllen 😂😔 it's both funny and sad lol

[@mosehlewi3081]

@@AshMaybeAllen Would you be able to clarify why you concur that Cenk was out of his league here? I am of the assessment that he was definitely not.

[@dg1431]

@@mosehlewi3081 Because he was wrong on all counts and couldn't understand basic probability. Clear now?

[@mosehlewi3081]

@@dg1431 It was an insignificant contention by Harris which is Cenk's point. It's likewise founded on a bogus premise that the LDS (Mormons) has a more specific location of where Jesus will return to. Ordinary Christianity or the New Testament expresses a quite certain spot of where Jesus will descend from which is Mt of Olives close to Jerusalem. Cenk does insinuate that reality when he says something like "for what reason does it make a difference whether he returns to Jerusalem or to Missouri? He ain't returning."

[@gagewesterhouse9558]

I've just realised, Cenk is Harris's Cathy Newman.

[@kingkoua1]

Gage Westerhouse so what your saying is that Islam wants to be dominated by men?

[@andrewness2641]

Hahaha So you're saying...

[@Budo99]

SO what you're saying is Sam is a racist atheist who hates women.

[@jens1567]

So what you're saying is that the moon is made out of cheese?

[@nickburns904]

I thought the same exact thing when I heard him say, "so what you're saying is?"

[@williamwood3459]

Sam Harris made his point a lot better in this, a lot

[@AndrewK209]

Sam: **makes a valid point spelled out clear as day and everyone understands** Cenk: *"That's such a total excuse Sam!"* FACEPALM

[@Rellikan]

I think the reason why you think Cenk is being unreasonable is largely because of the way each other's body language moves when they discuss things. Sam Harris keeps a much much cooler leveled facial and body expression that Cenk does and I think because of how similar each other's points are, similar in relevance to the typical viewer's views, it does not help Cenk to be so outwardly emotive - it's not something he can change either - such techniques only work when your opponent in discussion has a massive point of difference from one's views.

[@EdindroWhitehall]

It's also because Cenk is mostly unreasonable in this video, and Sam is mostly correct.

[@erik4097]

Yeah, I only listened to the video without watching the screen and had the exact same thought as op, so sorry, you're wrong with that analysis.

[@lloyd8677]

sad but true...

[@tomscully7489]

"I think the reason why you think Cenk is being unreasonable is largely because of the way each other's body language moves when they discuss things. " No, I think the reason has much more to do with Cenk actually being unreasonable.

[@micahmartens7770]

Uygur is unbelievable. He doesn't even get the simple logic in Harris' arguments.

[@NeoFryBoy]

He was just defending his singular position, which is that he's right and Sam is wrong. Some of his best arguments are summed up as, "No, you're wrong. I won't agree with that."

[@NeoFryBoy]

+Afiba Abdul there have been 30 jihadist attacks in 20 countries this year alone. Over a 1500 people injured and over 600 killed this year alone. We're not even halfway through the year. That doesn't include public stonings or "honour killings" which are 100% driven by Islamic teachings.

[@mahmoudahmed6426]

he's just trying to extend the interview with his professor. nice work cenk

[@Darkeydance]

As a quick aside, both Cenk and Sam agreed that honour killings are not a consequence of Islam. It was actually a remarkable moment of the interview.

[@N07NA]

If those attacks are informed by christian beliefs, and you poll the populations and there's an alarming rate of ppl who agree that this is acceptable behaviour, than yeah, that should probably be adressed. What does that have to do with the issue discussed here though? Does one abhorrent act of one religion excuse the abhorrent act of another?

[@9budah3]

Sam Harris deals in specific details and Cenk deals in generalizations

[@Zeuts85]

Yeah, that's what's truly ironic about this. His main argument against Sam is that Sam is generalizing all Muslims as terrorists. Yet, while Sam is parsing Muslims and the Islamic religion on specific points based on poll numbers, Cenk is essentially trying to excuse _all Muslims_ on the basis that not _all Muslims are terrorists._ Sam is just saying: "If a Muslim believes fucked up shit and it's _specifically because of his/her religion,_ that's a problem." In response Cenk is saying: "But not all Muslims believe fucked up shit, and anyway it's _no different_ from Christianity or Judaism!" You're missing the goddamn point Cenk.

[@averagejackmedia609]

All the while Cenk keeps claiming that Harris is generalizing. Crazy.

[@ionfeld]

that's the difference between a davinchi work of art and a kanye west work of crap

[@frankilinfujid]

People tend to lean on details when they do their research instead to start a fight to get youtube views.

[@thurston138]

9budah3 I think Cenk would disagree with that

[@jacksonstone246]

Sam was being nuanced and his point didn't change and Cenks point never stopped shifting and kept getting more obtuse.

[@johnsmith7345]

yes I found it frustrating to listen to

[@Milligan777]

TL;DW: An intelligent man debates a man who thinks he's intelligent. The former wins.

[@jamshidb]

Both of them are wrong

[@jokefrost7930]

Jamshid Bahrami Whats wrong with sam harris though. if you cant say it then you are just talking shit

[@jamshidb]

​@@jokefrost7930 He claims that he is atheist that means he believes religion is man made then in three hours he try to prove that man is religion made. The way he sits on the chair, he acts like an intellect for sure:)

[@jokefrost7930]

Jamshid Bahrami give me the timestamp where sam harris said that

[@jamshidb]

@@jokefrost7930 all over the video he gives excessive amount of credit to relegion for shaping the society. Here in Iran almost all people are Muslim but majority of them actually don't practice islam and here we are with Islamic state. Why is that? Go and study the history there is allot more factors playing here than just people being muslim.

[@ZagrosŞêxbizin]

Cenk: we agree on 90% of the things Cenk: proceeds to disagree with everything.

[@luisofsuburbia]

What would be the point of a discussion if there are not disagreements? Most of Cenk's rebuttals were forced, I can't believe people don't see this.... he is merely playing the part of a troll.

[@JasonGafar]

I know. He's so full of it.

[@t-man5196]

What are they gonna sit there and talk about what they agree on? Boring...

[@luisofsuburbia]

@@ZagrosŞêxbizin - No, I got what you were saying. I was being nice about it. What I should have said instead was “Yea no shit Sherlock!”

[@mrddcass6540]

You can say that about both sides. They both don't agree with each other and focused on the nuances they don't agree on. Sounds like you just chose one side from the start and didn't listen with an open mind.

[@FiveGeeks]

this is why I stopped watching tyt

[@000121m]

FiveGeeks The dude is thick as shit. This entire interview was utterly cringeworthy. I felt terrible for Sam as he tried to get through to this idiot.

[@FiveGeeks]

Hey I just posted a Alex Jones parody commercial on my channel, can you guys check it out and let me know what you think ?

[@Thsicnfnsjsbxnf]

FiveGeeks I came back to TYT just to watch this. I left as fast as I came.

[@davidfgranger]

I was going to like this comment, but you're on 666.

[@ChicagoMike85]

FiveGeeks have you ever se at fiveguys?

[@zmo1ndone502]

The way Sam just manhandles Cenk with the most calm and articulate voice imaginable is just FANTASTIC.

[@Shige2213]

The humiliation of Cenk Uygur

[@lizjoe21750]

If only Cenk knew he was being humiliated, and/or admitted it. Now THAT would be a sight to see!

[@jimmeshtick8908]

Ooooooooofcourse! 🍔🍟🍕🍝🍗🍩🎂🍰🍮🍫😵

[@chadyd99]

This was borderline like having a conversation with a 5 year old for Sam Harris.

[@TOOTORKED]

ahahaha

[@alecjkrueger1]

It seems his only desire is to disagree, so many times he agrees then disagrees with little BS side points..

[@joshualynchjl]

Its like Sam is talking to a 10 year old.....

[@joshualynchjl]

+AtenAkaAton1 heard that

[@jesuschrist5622]

#Cenk2016 #cenkisgod

[@solomonpervez3511]

Sam Harris talks so much sense here, I can't see how Cenk isn't getting it!

[@Saul-nd6mf]

Joshua Lynch got the same impression when Harris tried to Bash professor Chomsky. Harris is not on the same intelectual level than Noam

[@hopehillfarm3389]

+Saul Servin Sanchez Noam was a great intellectual; he is definitely in decline.

[@Godlessmom]

"Let's unpack this a little bit" I live for when Sam says this. Unpack it, Sam!

[@iggypopshot]

I've caught myself saying it...

[@AlexanderHolik]

I'm in no way gonna suggest that Harris has any logical bias in his ethical reasoning. He just plainly misses the point of *why* Islam is different from Christianity by pure means of demographic variables. Dafuq?

[@RodesLaw]

I love that phrase too.

[@Godlessmom]

Robert Douglas Can't stand salon - Sam gives them a good spanking in this interview.

[@AnEntropyFan]

Robert Douglas No, they all push this weak-willed semi-human nonsense. They are metapartisan creatures, what do you really expect from them? Accurate information? Personal integrity? Yeah, right...

[@07105larry]

This is what a civilized conversation/debate looks like. I wish we could see more like this between adults.

[@thetruth5574]

There was one adult. Sam Harris LOL

[@amyh9512]

​@thetruth5574 how so? 🤔

[@keithprice7119]

I love how Cenk has a pile of papers in front of him to help him along, Sam just has a glass of water and the knowledge that Cenk is a buffoon.

[@milleram421f]

Some where but deff not all of them did you watch the video he looks for Sam's quotes multiple times in those papers. He even comments a few times one such being "I can not find your quote I have over 100 papers here" or something pretty close to that.

[@fluke8928]

K3ITH Price the pile of papers is questions from viewers you idiot lol

[@amyanderson4099]

Religion poisons everything. Full stop.

[@boitumelophenya2748]

"I came here to clean up this mess" is code for I'm about to ruin your whole career

[@prasoondhapola2875]

Damn right XD

[@DHCWorldWide]

hahahahah so glad he done that,

[@goldenrule3261]

❤️

[@fashionearrings]

Why is Cenk point blank refusing to understand the core of Sam's argument? Given that he's USED Sam's very exact viewpoint in other contexts when it suits him? Is this inability to "get it" genuine or contrived on Cenk's part?

[@bmoney1860]

He was purposely articulating that he rejects Sam's argument as factually incorrect.

[@Skindoggiedog]

Fashion Earrings It all starts with "I know some good Muslims." In Cenk's case, it's his family. He doesn't want what Sam is saying to be true.

[@ADayWithoutYesterday]

You'll find Cenk's behaviour is very common among some Western ex-Muslims. They just aren't able to see Islam for what it is. It's almost like they are blinded in some way. Many people leave Islam for a variety of reasons. Those in the West, mainly the US, have been brought up in a Westernised version of Islam and tend to leave Islam because it just doesn't seem rational to them. It just doesn't make sense. Whereas those outside the West who've really tasted the bitterness of Islam leave because they find it immoral and monstrous. Cenk just can't acknowledge the Islam that Sam is referring to as being the norm, the orthodoxy which in fact it is. On Cenk's part there's also an element of sticking up for 'his people' that he feels he has to do. Watch the first minute of the video again and you will hear Cenk state he still has some allegiance/feelings towards Islam. Once he said that I knew how this conversation was going to pan out.

[@fashionearrings]

I've half a mind to sit through this whole thing again this time with pen and paper and then rip to shreds every single point Of Cenk's that's gone awry and all over the place and then put them on here.. but I'm thinking "what's the point, what's the point?" I'm so upset. I'm not coming back here now. Keep your two timing swinging pendulums ( Reza Aslans) of the world.

[@ausraider]

It's because Sams opinion is so bat shit crazy Cenk is thinking if I explain it to him in simple terms he might get it but Sam still doesn't get it. Jesus is better than Mohamed and Jesus has got more of a chance to show up in LA than Mississippi. Come on guys us atheists are suppose to be the smart ones, please don't listen to Sams dribble and repeat it to anyone.

[@MaddinW1993]

Take a shot every time Cenk agrees with himself

[@robertbaur3145]

and die of alcohol poisoning??

[@kawhileonard3745]

brotherBox 😂😂

[@conjandysecurity]

2 minutes in... hickup

[@harrisonjananto91]

brotherBox end of video = dead

[@Hassenboy]

brotherBox 20) mknuitutes in.fmf x

[@ziadayyas]

Sam is in a whole intellectual league of his own. How gross and racist of him.

[@andrewcase2010]

Hahaha

[@melinagomez8427]

hahahahahahaha

[@shader5410]

its gross its racist -batman

[@fapl985]

You can't compare an intellectual expert in one area with a journalist.

[@BioStuff415]

indeed...