Bad Games Played and Enjoyed - AVGN Influence?

[@Untouchaable]

I play them out of curiosity & then it becomes about the challenge to get further.

[@gunsmithbasic]

There have always been an appreciation of bad art, like MST3K, and that must apply to games as well. I definitely think AVGN did spark the modern appreciation of bad games. I think he did it as a counter point to nostalgia, which was idolizing that period a bit too much so it was satisfying to see someone pointing out just how bad those generations could be.

[@GamesAndMoreGamesAndMoreGames]

James Rolfe almost single handedly made playing bad NES games "cool". Not so much for other game consoles but he did for NES, lets be real. Ian down plays that fact quite a bit. But who was doing this publicly before James? Not anyone I can remember at least.

[@8ByteBrian]

The student has become the teacher. Ian The NES Punk

[@Street_Hawk]

The good or bad games that I played back in my childhood, I play or want to play them again because of nostalgia. If I didn't play them back then, then the influence for me is definitely AVGN and also, NES Punk.

[@metalmat3651]

What you dont understand is when we were kids renting or buying games was a big deal, even renting a game you were stuck with it for a weekend. When we rented complete garbage like "Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde" that is what we had, there is no laughing when you get screwed.

[@nostalgicumbry3279]

a lot of games i never even heard of until AVGN...so when i go to the retro store i see them and just giggle at them XD

[@SuperAmazingPower]

LEL

[@NicktheLP]

Hey, fellow Nuzlocker. Just checked out your channel and I invite you to check out mine, where I've done the first successful Blue Kaizo (2015 update) nuzlocke and am currently doing a Crystal Kaizo Nuzlocke.

[@VMUboy]

+The Uberman what in the blue hell are you on about nutter?

[@NicktheLP]

Look at the OP's channel name.

[@nostalgicumbry3279]

ZachAttack84 Who?

[@Horzuhammer]

A question to Action 52-owners in the U.S.: When I had Action 52, (my second game ever :/) when I booted up the "game", the "lights" screen used to flicker to grey, and like the first half-second of the song looped for like 10 seconds before the music started proper. It very much looked like the game wasn't going to work, but after those few seconds apeshittin', it started just fine.. Does it do that on NTSC Nintendos too, or was it because of my PAL-machine? I mean the cart was not optimized in any way when it was exported to PAL areas I think.

[@RBCraneGongfu]

Once you figure out how to fire those damned missiles Narc becomes a pretty cool game.

[@llary]

I would like to find some bad games to play with my friends. I really there was some kind of guide or book type thing with reviews of NES games...

[@millieman76]

I play Festers Quest, I remember it as far back at the early 2000s.

[@DonaldMohrMusic]

Hey, when does the book ship?

[@skins4thewin]

I think the fact that many ppl might enjoy quote unquote "Bad" games is because of a combination of two things. One, the fact that back then we had no way of knowing whether a game was going to be good or not before we bought it. All we had was Nintendo Power and word of mouth. Second, is just pure Nostalgia. All of us who grew up in that era bought a bad game or three during our time with the NES, simply because we didn't know any better, or maybe because the game was cheaper than the others on the shelf at the time. And being the naive young children we were, and the fact that we probably couldn't afford 100+ NES games, we had to play some of these bad games and we enjoyed them, and now we go back to them with some sense of Nostalgia simply because we enjoyed them as kids. Those two things probably attribute to some ppl having fond memories for bad NES games.

[@natemo82]

I played plenty of bad games when I was young and genuinely enjoyed them. Kings Knight was the first game I ever played that I considered bad as a kid. Things changed after that.....

[@chanceneck8072]

The main question always is: Can I enjoy the game?

[@johns5364]

I had narc. my dad refused to buy me games and I wasn't allowed to spend the little money i had on games, i had to save it. so I learned to love narc

[@Anitropius]

Bad games can help cleanse your proverbial game palette so that you can appreciate good game design I think. Recently I've played a lot of critically acclaimed games like Metal Gear Solid V and Witcher 3 and I kinda got into a sort of tunnel-vision playing through them, not really thinking about smelling the roses and taking in their small but subtle qualities. Then I tried Resident Evil 6 and Deus Ex: the Fall (gotten through Humble Bundles) and spent a couple of hours hating every second of them and when I jumped back into the previously mentioned games I went "huh, look at all the small cool things they do" so I think that a real stinker every now and then can be useful.

[@mediaglitch]

That books going to be a great tool to have.

[@old.school.ghoul81]

Pat and/or Ian How do I contact you with questions like these?

[@robertmcknightmusic]

Ian hits it right on the head, inadvertently explaining the popularity of AVGN. He's a bad enough dude to rescue the president.

[@CaptainRufus]

With continue points and improved jumping off ropes Spelunker would be legit good.

[@skins4thewin]

Pro Wrestling for the NES is an example of a crap game that me and my friends recently enjoyed for maybe 5 minutes simply due to the humor factor. We got an absolute kick out of the fact that we both just kept kicking the air, trying to hit each other but couldn't. We ended up laughing our asses off at how we both just ended up in a mad air kicking match the whole time playing it. We had no clue how to play the game, we just popped it in and played, and after like 5 minutes we both agreed that it was complete crap and shut it off, but we still had a good time with it.

[@conanpickett9423]

My friends always hogged bad games, im blessed that none of us beat any of them

[@OdeForCruelty]

Now I kinda wanna get high and play Wally Bear and the No Gang.

[@rebaoc1328]

I like your thinking

[@Pimpeaux]

Toxic Crusaders is one of my favorites. It's got nice graphics, it tries to have multiple game types, and the music is awesome, but that doesn't excuse that the engine and controls for the game are messy at best. Pat on the back for trying.

[@LarryLopez91]

While I did play NES as a kid, I didn't grow up with it like I did with something like the N64 (I was born in 1991). There's one game on that system (one series actually) that was terrible, but everyone enjoyed playing it. That was Cruisin' USA! It had only so-so graphics, annoying as fuck music, mediocre gameplay, and not so exciting tracks. Why did I keep renting it as a kid??

[@DevilSurvivor69]

Yes, I loved that game too. It had a lot of cheesy charm to it.

[@migangelmart]

Everybody loves Tecmo Bowl. There's a bad game I enjoy.

[@lmello009]

My first Famiclone came with a bunch of games; Ghostbusters, Super Pitfall and Predator were included. I remember playing to the Death those games during the week because I had nothing else to play since I'd beaten the good ones I had (Super Mario Bros, Contra, Megaman etc) and didn't have anything on rental. Found (and frustrating) memories rose when AVGN covered these games. And, of course, laughter :)

[@Federal3t22]

I bought Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde after seeing both AVGN videos to see just how bad it really was 2 years ago. It was way worse than I expected, gave up after only a 1/2 hour, and haven't played it since.

[@Loftin08]

I won't lie, KZbin reviews that absolutely destroy a retro game make me want to play them. However, that curiosity is usually satisfied via emulator or flash drive.

[@marktubes3419]

I've always like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Even before AVGN. The game's pixel art is fantastic and the main music isn't bad. The game play doesn't really suck but could use some improvement such as bug fixes and little quirks like the cane is only useful on the bee and unfair enemies. The game comes off as something that had to be released unfinished but would have been, at the very least, an okay game if given more time.

[@AnalogX64]

With Nintendo being so aggressive about people posting KZbin videos with their products. Will people be able to review the NES Classic Edition without getting a strike?

[@melvinpunymeyer8104]

Being a review won't stop them from claiming the videos.

[@MosoKaiser]

+Jonah Mann Good luck trying to get big companies to respect fair use.

[@Tommylop1982]

You can now counter claim and the money now goes to who wins.

[@blckstlgtr]

it's just like watching bad movies and how it was legitimized or further influenced by mst3k and Rifftrax, et al

[@182punkbunny]

can I get the link to buy the book from pat?

[@SQGReviewShow]

Some games are just so bad, they're paradoxically entertaining. Although some of the games AVGN reviewed aren't as bad as he makes them out to be. I mean, I like Mega Man X5 and think it's decent. TMNT1 for the NES was pretty fun. And Castlevania 2, while it does suck as a sequel, isn't the worst thing in the world when you have a map handy. It's redeemable at least.

[@olivertaylor7247]

In the NES there's so bad it's good and so ok but comparatively good it's good.

[@CHIEFS_DYNASTY_]

his complaint for X5 was about the retarded constant dialogue boxes

[@SQGReviewShow]

Sansdeity420x It was kind of weird seeing him put a relatively decent game on that list. I do get his complaints and X5 is my least favorite of the first five X games, but it's still a fun game past the intro stage. Mega Man Legends, he at least made the Anchovies comparison which makes a lot of sense.

[@cbearer5850]

I bought Friday the 13th a month ago or so (mainly because of the AVGN review and the more recent James and Mike Monday's video). I ended up liking it quite a lot and after a few tries I was actually able to beat it. Sure, it's a game that can feel a little cheap and unfair (sometimes the torch wouldn't even appear even after finding the note that enables you to get it) but it's enjoyable.

[@ZefTillDeath8878]

I hate to admit this, but Pat's shameless marketing is working on me. I want that fucking guide book now - especially if it's hard cover.

[@NightFlyStudio]

You NEED bad games to balance the good ones. I can't imagine the industry with just perfect games, it'd become boring. There's something redeeming about bad games.

[@ScottCrippen]

5:15 Were any Commodore ports worth a damn on the NES?

[@vankook]

Wrath of the Black Manta? I used to enjoy that when I had it as a kid. I just tried take the most of it. I think it did some cool things.

[@pokebattlefan5115]

I'm almost willing to bet that AVGN help having Milon's Secret Castle rereleased on 3DS.

[@Anthony-rt1yl]

3DS is awesome get one if don't have one already

[@raedrahman6188]

+Anthony Raymond if you want the awsomness of 3ds and dont care about 3d and its cheap, get a 2ds. So worth it.

[@bagingospringo4396]

I appreciate avgn so very much I love his vids they're not only funny but Insightful they show people the buried turds that we never knew about, and I can say that he Inspired me to collect retro games of all kinds. But not 100%

[@georgenelson9211]

NARC is far from bad. In fact its a solid game!

[@Mrcharrio]

AVGN helped make shitty games a event with friends trying to beat the bad games he presented. Like a challenge to the viewers.

[@n64thebest82]

pat how to i buy your book???

[@BlackHawk5132]

Oh christ The Last Ninja. My dad was cleaning out his small business back in the day when closing for good, and they happened to make some extra cash back in the 90's with vhs/video game rentals. This game ended up in my home. I still have it, and have tried to play it many a time. Piece of garbage that it is.

[@michaelshadley6996]

Friday the 13th is my favorite worst game!

[@joekerr1763]

Did you ever beat the 3 Jasons?

[@michaelshadley6996]

No, if I was lucky maybe 2 encounters with Jason.

[@joekerr1763]

Michael Shadley - Miles further than most. He's really not all too difficult once you perfect the whole rhythm to his movements. Oh, and once you acquire the torch as well.

[@KaiserGX]

I like that game, it needs a lot of preparation though and planning on what you're going to do to beat that game. It's not a game you can just jump into. That's what I like about it, you have to plan it out to try to beat Jason. If you try willy nilly you're going to get killed and honestly it should be like that if you're fighting Jason.

[@joekerr1763]

Kaiser GX - Mark was always my go-to guy.

[@bennagins]

I see that Ian is a Grapefruit Polar Seltzer man like myself, excellent choice!

[@panaceaartist]

wrath of the black manta-- nuff said

[@GigTube]

I got Jekkyl and Hyde on ebay for a penny because of AVGN and it definitely was as bad as he made it out to be. It was worth it, though! Also got DragonSlayer - I couldn't get past the first screen, either!

[@ReleaseTheBrackin]

I need the Ultimate NES Guide in my life.

[@jackherrington2634]

Captain cosmic is a very good bad nes game.

[@Lastluke]

I used to make my friends play Three Stooges and snoopy sports back in the day

[@KaoruMzk]

I want to add something/disagree to what Ian said, yes, there are so bad they're hilarious NES games, but there's also really boring games that have little no nothing going on with them, Jaws for example, I can't even enjoy it ironically like with Jekyll and Hyde, Back to the Future and such. P.S: I didn't know there was a port of Last Ninja on Nintendo, I played that game on the Amiga and it was pretty good.

[@ThisThingEaten]

Bad retro games are funny! Bad modern games are malicious! (boring, brown, on-disc paywalls, DRM, game-breaking glitches, etc) By my logic, ET can no longer be considered "the worst game of all time"

[@dougsworld7533]

If it wasn't for James , I would have never became a 3rd grade math teacher

[@gamesthatiplay9083]

There are a lot of terrible games out there that get no coverage or sales. People just want to play the ones made famous by KZbinrs.

[@thepumpkingking8339]

Nice simple unlock code on the phone there Pat.

[@ILikePopCans]

Still wish i could watch the last Nes marathon

[@Celicagame13]

I could use a flea market madness right about now

[@JoeFpoc]

ive always been entertained by bad movies and bad games, only if they are bad in a funny way, bad in a boring way sucks. i bought ride to hell retribution because i heard it was so bad , recently bought aliens colonial marines yesterday for the same reason.... and it was only $5

[@KaptainKlassic]

"maybe it was the Quaaludes" haha

[@supergeoff]

what's up man

[@roguecactus7]

Stopped making those since the fucking 70’s, right?! 😆

[@skabcat242]

Whoa...Dr Jekyl and Mr. Hyde went up in value?

[@CandisClassicGameShrine]

I have a thing for shitty games. I always have. I think it was mostly in part to owning SOOO many LJN games as a child lol

[@Algernonab]

Huh. I have never heard anyone pronounce it "a-bhor" instead of "ab-hor".

[@robertwest8033]

pat would you back a mass merger of sony/sega/nintendo/microsoft on a retro console? A devise with no physical soft where but a digital store for each company. something in the £150-£200 start retail price. i know this is a fantasy but it would be a good pice of kit with a lot of possibilities..

[@InazumaDash]

My retro guy claims the opposite. He can't sell some games because James in his AVGN episodes called them shit. Of course he's not alone casing this. The good games on the other hand. Doubled in value. And PAL games are expensive as they are. Especially N64 games and Game Cube. I see people happily paying 50 bucks for a Mario Party 2 CART.

[@mario64remix]

That's not really AVGN's fault. The good games will always be more expensive, unless incredibly rare.

[@karlkani4458]

+ThePolocatfan276 how much was store charging for bible games

[@corkman111]

Sword of Sodan is hilariously bad. Your best strategy in that game is to duck and stab enemies in the dong.

[@Anthony-rt1yl]

I love Fire 'N Ice

[@worksa8]

AVGN got me to play bad games, and it's great!

[@D2ezbmu]

Absolutely a ton of it is from AVGN influence.

[@gamerguy425]

I would never torture myself getting is far into some of these awful games as reviewers have to but hey, I bought a steam game called crash time II and got the dollar I played for it worth it just laughing my ass off at how cheesy it is for 30 minutes.

[@elasticbox4421]

in my top 20 nes games, gimme fisher price: firehouse rescue

[@joshsamuelson1793]

Not NES but Desert Bus.

[@gruthakhul100]

back when I found the AVGN (and all the other weird critics like you Pat O.o) it brought me back to my own NES days - so yes, now I can enjoy playing bad games, but back then I was pretty pissed if a game was just unplayable. soo much time and money thrown out of the window x___x

[@gruthakhul100]

maybe "unplayable" is the wrong term, I mean more bad in every way :)

[@ramiel555]

yeah, I say the TRULY shitty games are the ones that are just boring, or otherwise unplayable. There's the laugh factor, of course, like Ian said, but then there's games like Jekyll & Hyde that present a challenge of 'can you actually make it through this sad sack of shit' which a lot of people also like to do-and the speedruns......oh man, the speedruns of shit games are some of the best to watch >.

[@MakoTenseii]

I have that with sonic 06

[@jakecardwell74]

Most clusterfucks grew from the seed of a good idea

[@ZykovEddy]

I honestly enjoy Wand of Gamelon and Faces of Evil. They are the reason I bought Philips CD-i. Call me crazy, but I enjoy them much more than most of the official Zelda games.

[@shawnkintz9813]

ZykovEddy you are absolutely out of your goddamn mind

[@doctordistracto8390]

It's definitely like Mystery Science Theater or something. You watch a god awful movie or play a god awful game because it's hilarious, because who used a functioning human brain to create this thing?

[@RetroCheater81]

People love to watch a train wreck...

[@supergeoff]

Try playing Back to the future or TMNT on the nes

[@supergeoff]

oh yeah is there's alot of bad games I remember even the one's the nerd tackle.

[@Krushak8888]

NARC was always a fun game lol

[@Rayquaza911]

A Nightmare on Elm Street is an awesome game. Too bad I have to clone myself if I wanna play with other people ;}

[@supergeoff]

I agree

[@melvinpunymeyer8104]

Pat, your book sounds interesting, I don't think it should be in every topic of every podcast.

[@stevemoran1474]

if you want to talk about bad games play funhouse on nes

[@DarkSitesChannel]

AVGN......anything he can't do?

[@frasermackie19]

congratulations!!! you're first!!!

[@daniell6816]

Please SJW's

[@Iwopta]

*conglaturations

[@necrogenesis1981]

Pleasing SJWs is impossible regardless.

[@jarrodCampbelldenkmama]

i dont like the games i like playing the games

[@Kem1kal13]

Pat's like *brings out book* Sounds interesting Ian, but let me call in a buddy of mine, he did an expert review on this game.

[@bigcrackrock]

Ian is a pill head but so am I

[@gunplaygaming6830]

Hate to break it to pat but most of his collection hes so proud of and arrogant about are bad games.

[@miserablesmileface7062]

Jeckyll and Hyde isn't that bad.

[@symeonhenry5531]

lavalanchla on the sifi chanel so bad it's good but it's so bad....

[@grype83]

Pushing that book a little hard Pat, i think Ian is starting to get ew'ed out about it.

[@calumryan6328]

never make your thumbnail gray in color. people will think its a previously viewed video

[@smittywerbenjagermanjensen9802]

Jesus Christ Pat, can you go five minute without promoting your book?

[@dogbiscuit631]

Second