Bad UK Driving Vol 226, Let's talk Roundabouts

[@johnnodge4327]

Those that don't give way to the right on roundabout are probably the same people that enter a roundabout when the exit isn't clear.

[@ChrisAndCats]

Unfortunately. And do straightabout/overbouts.

[@tommccartney7899]

Cos there's always another idiot who will, if you do not!

[@peckelhaze6934]

@johnnodge4327 - This is one that infuriates me. As does not using indicators to inform other road users of what direction you are going in.

[@billpugh58]

How do you know if straight on is clear then John? X-ray intuition? Will you come back and apologize if you drive on and then discover around the other side that your exit is blocked? Do tell!

[@garyjohnson8863]

@@billpugh58 Think he means on mini-roundabouts where you don't need x-ray vision

[@daveprice5155]

One of the biggest problems I see at mini-roundabouts is the speed at which people approach. They have no intention of stopping or giving way to others. Why call someone else out if they are already on a roundabout (in front of you, from the next entrance) and moving more slowly and you join that roundabout later than them? Once their front wheels are over the give-way line, they are on the roundabout, therefore if you are still approaching and have not crossed the give-way line you should give way to them, i.e give way to the right.

[@wigglepig115]

^This^ precisely. Too fast, every time. I would add that you should not try to pass another vehicle on the roundabout or on the approaches to the roundabout...although The Code doesn't say that it's quite clear that passing where the road layout is complicated just adds to the task loading for everyone around and increases the risk. Back off, slow down and relax!

[@brianperry]

@@wigglepig115 over here in Spain many minor roundabouts are being restricted to one lane by the roundabouts radius being increased so reducing the available lane space…… roundabout discipline does seem to have improved!

[@kenmerry2729]

You should enter a round-a-bout at the speed you can navigate the whole round-a-bout and as you approach you should be preparing to stop but looking to go.

[@kenmerry2729]

Hi, I think 30 mph is a bit fast and bout you can take a whole round-a-bout at that speed. The idea is you give everyone approaching the round-a-bout time to judge a suitable gap so no one is impeded@@johncranna

[@lordnose1253]

Can’t believe some people think it’s first come first served. Really hope I don’t encounter these idiots on the road. Very dangerous. Oh, and just for the record, you are 100% right about the roundabout rules.

[@shm5547]

wrong! you don't get priority until on the roundabout, then you need to be ready to give way to any traffic on the roundabout before you. Effectively you are giving way twice.

[@TheBLACKSkellington148]

@@shm5547another idiot. Hand your license in before you kill somebody.

[@insoft_uk]

It’s not that it’s his attitude, most could’ve been avoided with planning. Yes they should giveaway but should always ask oneself have they seen me, a lot of bad drivers out there don’t look fully or look further than the car in front

[@murielriley6670]

I don't think that's true, The highway code wording is to give way to traffic "approaching from the right", no mention of them being already on the roundabout. Doesn't matter on big or normal roundabouts, but does matter on mini-roundabouts.@@shm5547

[@jillspence7227]

I think there fools are talking about American rules which, I believe say that being on the roundabout first trumps giving way.

[@andrewgrant6516]

Once, four of us arrived at a mini roundabout at exactly the same time, and we all just kept giving way to each other in an infinite circle of regression. It was a good ten seconds before we worked out who was going to go first. After you. No, after you. No no, I insist, after you. Traditional English politeness, and not an audi in sight.

[@ditch3827]

Better that than all going at once and crashing

[@shm5547]

yes, it is the person who enters first who then gets priority

[@dotmanmide]

Audi arriving behind all of you to zoom past doing 45 in a 30.

[@ditch3827]

@@shm5547 Where in the Highway code does it way that? Or did you just make that up?

[@shm5547]

@@ditch3827 in the Highway Code, it references the legislation - that's where it says it.

[@davidhaslam1056]

A young driver did this to me the other day. I was expecting it so just backed off, no blaring my horn no flashing my lights or waving my arms about. The young lady put her hand up, mouthed 'im sorry' ( maybe it was 'i love you' can't be sure) and carried on with her day. No doubt very happy, that a handsome young(ish) man didn't get mad at her for making a mistake.

[@stevenbrooks3573]

I totally agree with priority to the right. There is another issue for me - self preservation. I don't fancy the idea of being t-boned so I wait until there is no-one at all approaching the roundabout from the right. In heavy traffic it's a bit different, but everyone will be driving more slowly then. There never is a case for first come, first served, unless you are an aggressive driver that wants to take dangerous chances.

[@shm5547]

this is the first bit of the Highway Code, the rules do not give you right of way in all circumstances, you must always give way if it will avoid a collision, no matter who has priority. unfortunately, a lot of drivers take this too far, approaching mini-roundabouts at speed and unable to yield to those who enter before them

[@jillspence7227]

me too, always. there seems to be no instinctual self preservation these days, but of course huge outrage when they get in an accident.

[@jjharson7344]

@@shm5547 indeed but that does not make Tony wrong on this, the rules are you give way to the right (or to anyone ALREADY on the roundabout). Also you can tell Tony's style of driving on the channel is not that of a speeder. he comes across as a very thoughtful driver to me anyway. no sane driver is willingly going to head into a roundabout knowing that there could be a chance of collision without checking the way is clear first. your point to me seems somewhat moot.

[@shm5547]

@@jjharson7344 but Tony is wrong, the lady was already on the roundabout before he crossed the give way lines. Priority to the right does not extend beyond the confines of the roundabout carriageway. This is especially important for mini-roundabouts, as if you consider just giving way to any traffic to your right - even if it's not entered the roundabout, that can cause drivers to approach far too quickly if they've got good visibility to the right. This is very dangerous. They should approach slowly, even if they can see it to be clear to their right, in case someone pulls onto the roundabout before they get there.

[@stephencope7178]

My driving instructor always repeated the word 'anticipation', but 50 years on i have to be a clairvoyant too!!

[@stujames1564]

I've had this several times at roundabouts, I parped at one woman who saw me but didn't give me priority,instead gave me the finger and mouthed I was here first!! Too many poor drivers approach roundabouts far too quickly without any thought and then proceed to undertake as I'm turning off! Keep up the good work 👏

[@shm5547]

if she was there first, then she did indeed have priority

[@GoldestGlitter]

@@shm5547 No, it's not, nowhere in the world does being the fastest have any benefit. All traffic on the roundabout has priority, all the other traffic needs to yield. The 'getting somewhere first' attitude is childish at best, if not disruptive to the traffic following the highway code. As if it's not hard enough to follow said codes, everyone must also be looking at risks such as people like you! Edit: repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make a statement any more correct

[@angiefoley7643]

yes you give way to the right. We're I stay a lot people don't know how work mini roundabout. They put right signal on for coming straight over. I think a lot people don't care now of days who has priority. 😞

[@TheBLACKSkellington148]

@@shm5547clueless. I bet you pull out on people all the time don’t you.

[@JohnSmith-rw2yn]

@@shm5547 When you say, she was there first, do you mean, she has entered the roundabout first? Or do you mean she was at the line first? On the comment I made I was pointing out the splitting of hairs, I can see from the video she was at the line first, but the cam car is also at the line and approaching the roundabout, she has taken the opportunity to think, I can make that, we all do it, but can lead to a shunt. If he was say.... 5 car lengths back, even 2 car lengths back from his line, I'd expect her to go because he isn't there yet. But when both of them are on the line, it's priority to the right, no matter how quickly you think you can make it. It is not an American stop sign, it's a uk roundabout.

[@suecharnock9369]

thank you for this. I too am fed up with people who really think they are above everyone else and just go- expecting everyone else to cater for them.

[@frogandspanner]

1:05 Highway Code185: give priority to traffic approaching from your right, *unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights* . Notes: a) you omitted the part following the comma. Why? b) it does not say _approaching the roundabout from one's right_ . Let us assume that it _does_ mean "approaching the roundabout from the right", then 185 makes it clear that would only be in the absence of road marking or signage to the contrary (the important missing bit from what you stated).. The law _Traffic Signs Rules and General Directions 2016_ gives information on signage and road markings. Diagram TSRGD2016:1003.3 (a single dashed line on entry to a roundabout) requires: "Vehicular traffic approaching a round about with a small central island or approaching a junction indicated by the marking shown in item 5 of this sign table should give way at, or immediately beyond, the line to traffic circulating on the carriageway of the roundabout." i.e. should give way to traffic already on the roundabout. However, in the example given at 1:44 we clearly see a regulator "Give Way" sign, with road markings of the give way triangle, and the mandatory dual dashed line on roundabout entry Diagram TSRGD2016:1003A "Vehicular traffic *must* give way in accordance with the requirements in paragraph 7 of Part 7", which states "Except as provided in paragraphs (b) to (d), that no vehicle may proceed past the transverse line which is the nearer to the major road into that road in a manner or at a time likely to endanger the driver of, or an passenger in, a vehicle on the major road or to cause the driver of such a vehicle to change its speed or course in order to avoid an accident." At 1:48 we see a vehicle has just entered the roundabout from the left, so is on the major road (the roundabout). The camcar is approaching the mandatory give way line yet enters the roundabout contrary to that mandatory instruction. The driver of the camcar has broken the law. The camcar also drives across the central roundel, which is an offence. I suggest that the other driver is confused as to why, when she legally followed the signs and road markings, you broke the law by crossing the mandatory give way line then honked her. 2:40 The red car has crossed a mandatory give way line contrary to TSRGD:1003 paragraph 7 Part 7, so has committed an offence. One should slow down for a roundabout in the same way you would slow down for any other junction with a major road. You requested where the highway code says these things, but I have cited the laws - I hope that is good enough for you.

[@shm5547]

Very well put together argument, you are of course correct, however I doubt LDC will engage. Despite saying they will eat humble pie if someone can show them the rules, they’re not willing to discuss the counterpoint to their argument.

[@rondameier8168]

I was trying to eat a little and was laughing so hard..... Your videos are just pure gold!! And no the Audi driver has to be careful with the indicator fluid, stuffs very expensive!!!! 😂😭😆🤣

[@MuzMUX]

that's why there are give way lines on a roundabout…this is like saying if you pull out in front of someone at a junction it's your right of way….

[@andreashaynes3346]

Many thanks for posting another entertaining video. Priority to the right is obviously for suckers, with regards to many mini-roundabouts!!! Also The Highway Code!!! Thanks to drivers like yourself, it really hammers home to your subscribers how bad things remain on our roads!!! The mini-roundabout scenario is a point in question. When I was still able to drive I lost count of the times drivers would try to cut you up by not using it as a roundabout. Like you mentioned also, indicators appear to be a luxury and optional!!! Stay safe and well 👍👍👍

[@thesilentcrisis]

I agree with you about the proper use of roundabouts. I think I come across the viewers of yours who think it’s first come first serve at roundabouts. My first thought is how do they not know how to use a roundabout properly. I would be killed just leaving home if I used their first come first served theory on the roundabout at the top of my road. First come first served is applicable at four way stops.

[@Mike_5]

The correct way is always to Give Way to the Right on roundabouts but it is also a good idea to give consideration to vehicles at smaller mini roundabouts where a vehicle following the rules may also block your progress due to the size of the roundabout

[@DarrellThompson47]

and that is made worse by people such as in this video at 1:39 that just drives right across the roundabout.

[@f-godz3342]

1:48 Cammer absolutely made more of that than they needed to. See it all the time, speed upon someone's mistake just so they can be offended/get on the horn/feel superior.

[@grahamcoxall1428]

You are absolutely correct! Everyone needs to read Rule 185 of the Highway Code! I saw that bit after posting this! lol. The real issue is people not slowing down as they approach the roundabout!

[@shm5547]

Some don’t slow down because they don’t realise they have to give way to vehicles that pull onto the roundabout before they get onto the roundabout themselves. Just thinking about priority to the right is dangerous, as it encourages excessive speed.

[@kimgray6994]

I have only been driving for 10 years and I was taught give way to the right ❤

[@dashcamFL]

13:09 in my opinion, the jogger still had enough space on the sidewalk to not get down on the road. You did a GREAT job with the roundabout explanations. :)

[@dbank6107]

sidewalk?

[@Madness832]

American for "the pavement."

[@EpeP-qs9xb]

That car is parked illegally.

[@andyalder7910]

All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so.

[@adamgraham9787]

I enjoy your videos I hope this channel stays forever 👍🏻

[@David_Owsnett]

You are entirely right about roundabouts. Its always been give way to the right and not who was there first. I think most of the problems on the roads today stems from the modern plague of selfishness.

[@marcushall2634]

Not only is it selfishness, its the fact that are so many drop kicks out there!!

[@ChrisAndCats]

Yes - the only time that doesn't hold true is if the roundabout dictates otherwise via traffic lights.

[@Petey194]

What if you're at the roundabout and see a car approaching from your right that is 100 meters away? Do you still wait for them? Of course, you'll say no because you would factor in their distance from you together with their speed and determine it is good to proceed. But, it doesn't say anything about that in the highway code. If you go by the letter then you should give them priority. Absurd you say and I agree. So do we factor in distance and speed of approaching traffic or not and if we do, what are the rules?

[@I_Don_t_want_a_handle]

That's right but in the first instance he made an issue of it. She was actually in the roundabout before him, but technically should have waited. Given the speeds involved it could have all gone on without the desperate need for some content. Given that, he then puts up a vid of him pulling onto a roundabout before a car plainly seen to his right. Only his correct guess that the Audi was going left saved him. NB just because the Audi was not signally does not mean you can ignore 'give way to the right'.

[@johnt.848]

Idiot

[@jollybodger]

Yes, it is priority to traffic approaching from the right, which as far am I'm aware includes traffic already on the roundabout, on regular roundabouts this is easy to determine however on mini roundabouts, there is alway the possibility of someone doing a 180 so if they're already on the roundabout you should wait until it is clear before proceeding. If someone approaches the roundabout and there is traffic approaching from their right, they should giveway unless they can clear the road before approaching car reaches them. In some confusing situations, when multiple cars arrive at the roundabout at the same time you have to use signage and/or road markings to determine who has right of way, i.e. a solid white line is a stop line, 2 rows of dashed lines are the give way lines, the single dashed lines have priority over the other two types (I believe this is correct but I'll double check to make sure). I realise not all mini roundabouts have these markings and it's just guess work, but at least one junction is supposed to have different markings to determine the right of way in a stalemate. 3:40 If you look at the road markings, the road you're on has single dashed lines with arrows for the direction, the other two junctions have double dashed lines AND giveway triangles painted on the road, meaning they are supposed to giveway to vehicles coming from the road you're on.

[@paulreed5077]

That motorbike waiting on the roundabout gained my respect till he set off and went the other side of it. Prat.

[@JohnFlintoft]

Can you please answer this question: roundabouts were invented to give each lane of traffic an equal chance of getting out of a junction (as it used to be) and, as such, the vast majority of lanes approaching roundabouts have give-way markings on the road. So, why on earth should you give way to someone approaching at speed from the right who has no intention of slowing down to let cars already on the roundabout manoeuvre safely around the centre-circle? I have, on numerous occasions, been nearly rammed by arrogant 'I'm approaching from the right' drivers who have literally been twenty or thirty yards from the give-way markings and they have actually speeded up to confront me, especially on the dreaded mini-roundabouts. The idea of roundabouts, and especially theses mini-roundabouts, was to stop hold-ups to help the steady flow of traffic, as was always the case with busy T-junctions and crossroads. Surely common-sense should prevail and, as you yourself seem to be, one of those 'it's my right-of-way drivers' who are the very worst type to meet in any give-way situation where slowing down and being on alert for all possibilities, should be the order of the day! If I am approaching a roundabout and are going at a reasonable speed to let a vehicle in before I get to the line markings, then I slow right down and keep the traffic flowing. Surely this should be every drivers intention but sadly, as we see nearly every day, a vast majority of drivers will not give an inch!

[@shm5547]

A sensible comment! Those who think priority to the right extends beyond the roundabout do have a habit of approaching with too much speed and being quite aggressive about being “wronged”, when it’s actually them who have wronged!

[@jameswatson6099]

Brilliant. Thank you for a definite explanation.

[@cyclecam6328]

Top tier video this! I think now that turning left at a roundabout is the trickiest type of junction. You have to observe right, the whole roundabout and around your exit for pedestrians to whom you should give priority.

[@edsimkins9936]

Totally agree with u. They're the sort of people cause an accident, and get away without a scratch....tways..

[@ChrisCaaa]

I'm glad you made this video, but it seems like the majority of people don't want to improve, even if you tell them to look it up they won't, it's strange but true. I think they added the 'watch out' thing to the HC probably because they're aware so many other people do it wrong.

[@JohnSmith-rw2yn]

I agree with you. Rule 185 does state "give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights" I reckon where you are getting beef from folks is also in Rule 185 it states "watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout, be aware they may not be signalling correctly or at all, look forwards before moving off to make sure traffic in front has moved off" Now I reckon it's splitting hairs they are doing, so take the first clip, if you approached maybe a bit more cautiously, slowed down a bit, she would have been in the roundabout by the time you moved off, however, I also think as you approach, regardless of speed, if you're at the line when she is at the line and looks right and sees you, she should give you priority 100% Maybe where they also are aiming at it the same area Rule 187 "In all cases watch out for and give plenty of room to, traffic crossing in front of you on the roundabout" So in comes the cautious comments again. so say at 1:47 the white car blocks her view of you. at 1:48 you are not quite at the line yet and she has moved off. Then at 1:49 she is in the roundabout you are at the line, 1:50 she is at the circle as you get there. So like whilst I whole heartedly agree priority to the right, I can see why people come at videos which are not cut and dry, because I have uploaded videos in the past and people have cut me to shreds over what was to me, the other person's fault. To be honest pal, you do far more education and create discussions around things like the highway code than most channels do, so just let it wash over you, you're never going to please everyone, just carry on being you pal! Edit. I've got to 4:44 now and wish I hadn't had to remember and type out the code haha.

[@Nodster]

You are in danger of being branded as wrong along with those of us who have highlighted exactly what you are saying in your response here. I can't speak for anyone else and their comments but generally from the comments I have read that have mentioned LDC's attitude towards roundabouts none have actually made an issue of the "priority to the right" like LDC is painting a picture of as that was never in question. For the most part it's about the traffic already on the roundabout and the odd one who gets on the roundabout from the left before him so I am not exactly sure how he has come to the conclusion any of us believe it's a first come first served situation. I do question why he drives at the opposition on a roundabout instead of backing off and just letting them have it at that point because no one wants to deal with an insurance company given how scummy they have all become these days. I feel he has been quite selective with the clips he has chosen in this video as they have all been chosen to prove his point but there have been other clips where he was clearly not in the "priority to the right" position at the roundabout so in this regard he is correct with these clips in particular. I do question his attitude towards roundabout on the whole though because of the "priority to the right, that is my space" that comes across with it and he has already stated in this video his non understanding of the rest of the rule. Generally speaking a lot of his content is a good watch and some of the rants are amusing but not being able to take some constructive criticism or ignore the genuine trolls is his downfall and probably should not be posting videos to KZbin in that case.

[@JohnSmith-rw2yn]

@@Nodster I am merely trying to be the middle ground in it all. If you look at quite a large thread on another comment, some people go too far with that LDC is in the wrong and can't see past there own interpretation but I do also think it is a 2 way street, everything to be assessed on a clip by clip basis.

[@lesjones471]

You are correct and if you start letting drivers do the wrong then they will keep doing the wrong, it's patience and to the right are correct.I'm an ex truck driver who followed the rules and drivers of large vehicles use the mini roundabouts different to small vehicles which is small vehicles must go around the roundabout, buses & large trucks ride over the mini roundabouts and that's the rules of the highway code.On some very small roundabouts I used to prove to everyone I can go around the mini roundabouts if space permited, but 98% of small vehicles never even attempted to go around it. When I was on my push bike I used the mini roundabout correctly and a car driver was impatient and went straight through it to overtake me. It would be nice to have sensors around these mini roundabouts to create revenue with cameras watching the wrong doers.

[@peckelhaze6934]

I see this all the time I go out. You are totally correct in what you say. I have a particular mini-roundabout where drivers can see me approach the roundabout and they will not stop, I have to stop. Mini-roundabouts have the same rules as standard roundabouts. You MUST give way to vehicles approaching from the right. You MUST go around the inner circle not across it or to the right of it. Only exception is large vehicles.

[@Marc-rr8ti]

Point 1. Highway code, give priority to traffic approaching from the right unless directed otherwise by signs, ROAD MARKINGS , or traffic lights. If you are on the roundabout first the vehicle to the right has to give way at their dotted line, the dotted line the same as a T junction. Point 2 check whether road marking allow you to enter the roundabout without giving way. Give way to vehicles on the roundabout , not approaching it. If you have passed your dotted line you have priority over someone that hasn't passed their dotted Give way l8nes. The dotted line before the entrance of the roundabout is for everyone to give way to vehicles on the roundabout.

[@johnfh]

Good situations. You've got my full support, a pity you're getting flack from some quarters. At 04:30 the "watch out" means be attentive, watch out for idiots and others.

[@jamessykes8176]

Hi Tony, These idiots not only don't read the Highway Code but would not take any notice if they did. It's a case of I will do as I want or I do not care attitude. They probably don't care that they also commit an offence as Driving Without Due Care and Attention. S3 Road Traffic Act 1988 provides that it is an offence for a person to drive a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road or other public place without due care and attention or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road or place. I'll bet most people are ignorant of the last bit especially. Keep up the good work. My wife remarked about your swearing the other day saying "typical Southerner." Which is ironic as she is originally from Essex! I am from Yorkshire and we live in Yorkshire.

[@roderickmain9697]

Audi at the end - possibly a local who remembers the time when there were no hatchings. Mini-roundabouts have been in use since I cycled to school in the 1970s. I'm sort of surprised that people havent got the hang of them. Even passed through one on my driving test in the early 80s. Certainly "priority to the right" is easier to say than "...approaching from the right" and does apply when you are on the roundabout - except no one should be approaching from the right. You should also indicate as soon as you are passing/passed the immediately preceding junction. But as you say, certain folks didnt buy the indicator fluid. Placement fo mini-roundabouts is also an issue. Sometimes there is no choice other than to drive over them because you'd actually be mounting the pavement if you tried to go around. The one I'm thinking of is in Newhaven, East Sussex. Lots of times, particularly with more-expensive vehicles - you think that having spent a lot of money to get the car, they might take more care with it instead of driving it like a battering ram and blame everybody else when the inevitable accident happens.

[@Paulo-ov4yo]

Drivers don't appear to want to stop at roundabouts anymore. They DONT want to give way to the right. FCFS is bollocks

[@karldonald8150]

The people who think it's first come first served, are probably the same gaks who think the same when they see a disabled parking place, even though they're not disabled themselves

[@Nodster]

I take it you go around checking for disabled badges on those vehicles parked in those bays?

[@BrianSparrow-y1m]

Spot on every time, love the comments...

[@anemonemarineecology8881]

Give way to traffic approaching from the right at a roundabout. Quite clear. But, of course if you are on a roundabout, you are going to be on the roundabout and therefore approaching from the right of any vehicle entering the roundabout. Is this where the confusion arises? And I agree with you about 'professional drivers'. Anyone who gets paid to drive - delivieries, for hire is a professional driver. Great spotting venues I knew when I lived in Dorking and worked in Epsom.

[@ColinWatters]

You are 100% right but there are lots of roundabouts where you would be stuck at all day if you gave full priority to cars approaching from the right, particularly if you are in lorry with slow acceleration. There simply aren't any gaps big enough for them to accelerate into. This isn't helped by by the designers of roundabouts that don't feed cars into the roundabout at an angle. Cars can literally drive onto some roundabouts at 40mph without slowing down.

[@shm5547]

he is not correct and the reason that those on the roundabout first have priority is for exactly the situation you describe! As a cyclist, it is often not possible to clear a large, multi-lane roundabout before a car appears, if I am in the road ahead before them, I have priority - but many drivers just do not understand this.

[@malcolmrich9227]

You are completely correct about roundabouts, furthermore rule 188 Mini-roundabouts and I quote "Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so" Now when it says in the highway code you MUST or MUST NOT do something it means it is backed by law. In this case RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD schedule 9 parts 7 and 8.

[@mikethecabbie8476]

Well, we have one here in Weymouth where you can do that if you are going straight ahead, or turning left. Try to turn right at it, and even small cars cannot get round without going over the painted part, it's that tight. Happily, the junction is a lightly used residential street, so we don't have too many issues. And the police are usually occupied with drunken tourists 100yds away along the seafront...!

[@shm5547]

Tell me you haven’t read the TSRGD without telling me you haven’t read the TSRGD. (By the way, the link to the legislation on the Highway Code website takes you to the wrong place, you’ll need to go to the table of contents and find schedule 9 & 11)

[@richH1625]

@mikethecabbie8476 you should be ok; ",,,must keep to the left of the white circle at the centre of the marking ,,, (diagram 1003.4), unless the size of the vehicle 𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗷𝘂𝗻𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 makes it impracticable to do so" www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/9/ PART 7 5-- (1)(b) ___________________ though if it's a black cab with its famous turning circle ,,, ;)

[@johnmcguigan4456]

Every day I experience this, we all make mistakes occasionally but we must accept the criticism as it arrives.

[@peckelhaze6934]

Some continue making the same mistakes then swear at others as if it is their fault.

[@rogerkearns8094]

I think it's sensible to remain aware that anything approaching from anywhere is a potential collision.

[@rachel7000rf]

I cant understand why people find this difficult to understand. Priority to the right on a roundabout. If i see a car coming and i couldn't clear before they got there i would not go. How hard is it to understand!!!!!!

[@bobelliot3520]

agree....'on the roundabout'....if to my right a milk-float was 50 meters away doing 10 miles an-hour should i wait..of course not. If it were a tee junction with same milk float and my left was clear i still can turn right safely because milk float is light years away. If milk float was already on roundabout you give way. My neighbour an HGV recovery driver said many many years ago about roundabouts and the speed idiot drivers approach and maintain on roundabouts...." when i waited 10 mins to try and pull onto a roundabout towing a broken down HGV tractor and trailer..i remember that i'm 8 feet up in the cab and my front wheel has 18 wheel nuts holding it on..lets see if they really want to drive into me as i pull out....

[@lynettemahoney1710]

When I was driving in the UK before I left 52 years ago.The rule was you gave way to the vehicles already on the roundabout.But we did not have all those toy roundabouts then.The way you say give way to the vehicles approaching from the right,could mean vehicles on the roundabout.

[@grahamheath3799]

Some years ago I was with a colleague from the Netherlands. He politely asked if people were expected to indicate on British roundabouts!

[@robp1316]

There are giveway markings at roundabouts not stop lines. If a car on the left enters a roundabout before I get to the give way markings in front of me they have the road like it says watch out for vehicles on the roundabout. It doesn't specify just cars from the right. It doesn't mean priority to the right allows you to accelerate across the give way markings into trouble especially on mini roundabouts going across the centre marking. Claiming "priority" doesn't mean you don't have to "watch out" for other vehicles on the roundabout in front of you. It could get you a driving without due care charge if there was an accident. Give way markings mean be prepared to stop for others already there.

[@thelondondashcam]

The word *priority* says it all you don’t need to look at anything else other than the word *priority* And it doesn’t matter what any of us think it is written in the highway code, and it’s priority to traffic approaching from the right.

[@robp1316]

Claiming priority whilst not even near the give way markings let alone on the roundabout is wrong. You should be slowing and be able to stop at the give way markings not accelerating towards someone who in most cases could safely negotiate the roundabout in front of you. In that first clip you could clearly see her but you accelerated and cut the roundabout when a slightly slower approach and you could have gone around each other safely but no you have to get a you tube video out of it.

[@shm5547]

@@thelondondashcamthe roundabout carriageway is a separate road, you can’t claim priority to a road you are not even on! It’s like people turning left out of give way at a junction then moaning that someone was overtaking on “their side of the road” - reality check, it wasn’t even your road to start with!

[@robp1316]

@@shm5547 at last someone who actually understands how it actually works.

[@shm5547]

@@robp1316 there don’t appear to be many of us! With the turning left out of a junction, there are also many people who think it’s the overtaking vehicle that’s more at fault! After a few incidents at our works exit, this was debated on the company message board, many thought they didn’t need to check the road was clear to the left before pulling out. Shocking!

[@Odessite]

You’re 100% correct! The “first come, first served” bollocks comes from either your American viewers or other who watch US dashcam videos. This crap stems from US stop signs at cross roads where the “first come, first served” rule is enforced. Keep it up!

[@1milliondogs]

Here is a slightly different way to look at it and also why i think people may be confused. Prioroty IS given to the right on roundabouts, this should not be disputed. However, if someone has not given you priority and is on the roundabout, then you then you still need to wait for it to be clear before you proceed. You can't just ram them while leaning on your horn screaming about having priority.

[@thelondondashcam]

Do I have to say it again it’s priority approaching from the right it’s in the highway code, if you hit them accidentally of course they would be at fault, not me because I’m coming from the right. And the reason I used my horn was to get her attention because she wasn’t even looking right, she was looking left.

[@1milliondogs]

@@thelondondashcam You also *must* go around the round about and that includes "pinching a little bit". In that clip you purposefully straightened your path and accelerated to make a point. Poor driving IMO.

[@AM2K2]

@@1milliondogs He wouldn't have a KZbin clip if he didn't do that 🤣

[@briantilley3158]

I actually agree with you about giving way to traffic approaching from the right. However, you should always note that the rules you displayed all use the word “should”. This means that the rule is advisory and not mandated by law. So caution is required when approaching roundabouts as not all drivers respect “advisory” rules.

[@shm5547]

normal roundabouts are a should - but mini-roundabouts are a must and it is a legal requirement

[@neuralwarp]

The trouble is the definition of "approaching" and "on the right". Approaching you or the rounabout? All traffic already on the roundabout is on your right, because it's a circle. The highway code doesn't help because it thinks all roudabouts are basically the same as 4-way crossroads.

[@shm5547]

It's approaching you - talking about traffic already on the roundabout. The whole section is called 'At a roundabout', not 'Near a roundabout'. But I agree, it's not clear - however the legislation is. It says "give priority to the right to traffic circulating on the carriageway of the roundabout". That's about as clear as clear can be that priority does not extend beyond the confines of the roundabout carriageway.

[@roppa789]

As you approach your give way markings, you look for traffic approaching from the right (anywhere from the right) you should give way if on pulling out you would cause them to brake or change their driving in any way or cause inconvenience to any other motorist. It’s not rocket science, it’s how it’s taught. If you’ve picked up bad habits over the years then that’s down to you but driving instructors teach and are assessed to the same standard Highway Code. If they try to teach something different they get pulled up about it.

[@shm5547]

@@roppa789 No, it's not anywhere on the right, it's traffic circulating on the roundabout.

[@nocturn791]

@@shm5547 that too but also extends to traffic on approach. The HC makes no distinction and it is the HC rather than disparate regulation that is most likely to be referred to by the police when presenting evidence. Incidentally, there is also supporting case law.

[@shm5547]

@@nocturn791 the legislation that the Highway Code quotes makes it very clear priority does not extend beyond the roundabout. The Highway Code does not state priority extends to vehicles approaching,but yet to reach the roundabout, it just says approaching AT the roundabout.

[@TimeMeddler]

I agree with the statement that priority is primarily with the vehicles approaching from the right. However, there is one thing that most of these clips have in common and that’s that they are mini roundabouts. To me this rule is highly important in this scenario because vehicles approaching from the right tend to be closer than those on larger roundabouts. The case with the woman in the first clip is a case in point. Sh came out probably thinking that it’s OK to pull out because the car approaching from the right is not yet on the roundabout, but because it’s a small roundabout that philosophy is flawed because as we saw in the clip the distance was made up in no time at all, so it was not really safe for her to pull out. On some larger roundabouts though it’s down to how far away the approaching vehicle is and also what sort of vehicle. If you are at a large roundabout and there is a lorry, for example, approaching slowly and at quite a distance, then if you can get out and away without hindering the other vehicle then it is fine to do so. Sitting waiting would not always be the best thing to do. The “watch out” part to me applies to where you come round or approach a roundabout and something has already started entering it, i.e. before you were visible. This often happens, particularly with lorries and the like. So what it is saying is, in that scenario, don’t just barge through blasting the horn and shouting “it’s my priority!”. Slow down a bit and let them proceed. As Ashley Neil says, it’s about facilitating traffic flow, which benefits us all ultimately. So, whilst the rule on priority is pretty clear, it really depends on the specific scenario and the type of roundabout and traffic. Drive according to the conditions and then you won’t go far wrong.

[@keith6400]

The roundabout problem stems from the phrase "Give way to traffic already on the roundabout" which may or may not still be in the wording. This is not such a problem on big roundabouts but on mini roundabouts it would appear to some as reversing the priorities or introducing an ambiguity.

[@grahvis]

It is on the wording, but far too many drivers think a vehicle a couple of foot over the give way line means they are on the roundabout. If they are not wholly on it, clearly they are still entering it.

[@Captain-Cardboard]

The general rule for all roundabouts, INCLUDING mini-roundabouts, is that traffic already on the roundabout has priority. This means that if you are approaching a mini-roundabout, you should give way to traffic coming from your right unless road signs or markings indicate otherwise. Note that ALL traffic on a roundabout is approaching from your right; It's a one-way road! Now, Rule 172 applies here. If you approach a mini-roundabout, you are effectively at a junction with the roundabout, and the broken white lines would typically be marked on the road as you approach. Therefore, you MUST give way to the traffic on the main road (in this case, the traffic already on the roundabout and approaching from your right). Personally always find it surprising that people insist that a car yet to pass a Give-Way line has priority over another that already has!

[@johnwootton5629]

Just dropped on your video and it made me titter 😂. I drove for a living for 25 years before retiring and I developed a saying that I still use to this day. “There always one and it’s always a f***ing Audi” 😂😂 I dunno what it is about those four rings that compels so many morons to buy them 🤷‍♂️ Excellent message btw 👍 it’s one of my pet peeves how many drivers are incapable of using a mini roundabout.

[@philkfoto]

You are 100% correct. Give way to the right if you arrive at the give way line, regardless when you arrive. Too many idiots on our roads today.

[@frankyboy1131]

Yeah, especially those idiots who are permanently telling off and reprimanding other people, ignoring their own bunch of mistakes, and making videos from it. The cammer is an embarrassment, a disgrace, an idiot, and a public danger.

[@TT-fn1xb]

It's all about the approach on roundabouts. Whenever a car approaches with speed, they're already showing that they have no intention to give way to anyone. You should always be ready to stop at a roundabout to give way to vehicles coming from the right. I'm a cyclist and even i know how to do this basic thing.

[@CDBC]

1:42 There is a sign at that there roundabout on each approach, and like the Stop sign it uses a unique shape (so you know what the other drivers are facing) and it is the only inverted triangle for this reason. I would call it a 'Yield' sign, you would call it a 'Give Way' sign which means the same thing. It's a right-of-way sign! That simple.

[@Rockhopper1]

your are 100% correct, former blue light

[@patcole8925]

Another thing that really pisses me off is driver ignorance and I've got to say it's usually women who don't acknowledge you when you give way .

[@grimsbyhackney479]

Almost everyone in this video seems to approach and negotiates roundabouts too fast. Has everyone forgotten that they should be looking out for all road users, including pedestrians, so they can take the appropriate action? I hate the way most people use roundabouts. All of these clips would be non-events if people approached roundabouts with more care.

[@richardearl9711]

Rule 185 When reaching the roundabout you should give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights check whether road markings allow you to enter the roundabout without giving way. If so, proceed, but still look to the right before joining watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout; be aware they may not be signaling correctly or at all look forward before moving off to make sure traffic in front has moved off. Line 3 above, "watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout", in Australia it is "You must Give Way to vehicles already in the roundabout. You should also take particular care of vehicles approaching or about to enter from your right because they may enter the roundabout before you." The problem as I see it is that most drivers seem to think it is a race to be first into the roundabout, and also that they, not the police are responsible for enforcing whatever road rule they think has been breached by use of their horn or abusing the other driver, this simply raises stress levels which result in poor driving decisions, if the person is driving dangerously report them to the police along with the dashcam footage and the police will deal with it if necessary, if you want to enforce the road rules join the police. My friends partner had complications during childbirth and it was touch and go if she would survive, he contacted the police and had permission to exceed the speed limit so he could get to the hospital, he was deliberately blocked on multiple occasions by people that think they have the right to dictate what other road users can do. That kind of attitude makes the roads more dangerous not less, the general attitude should be "be considerate of other road users", if the person is breaking the rules report them to the police and let the police deal with it, but do not obstruct them because you have no idea what is happening for them.

[@philtucker1224]

LDC, I found myself concurring with all of your observations. ( and I am not being paid for this endorsement). 😊

[@georgeday5901]

It's like the flashing of headlights to warn of your presence to other road users.

[@jjharson7344]

Tony, you know you're right, I know you're right.... this is a great way to show others how to do it - top marks from me sir. Also I call them "Professional Drivers" as well - the Prius drivers especially are a certain type of breed.... no reason not to call them that as they drive for a living.... the ignorance they purvey is alarming....

[@tommccartney7899]

As to the roundabouts and who has priority. I am 72 yes old. I remember my driver training in the army and the highway code when I was 19 yes. The roundabouts were large and often you could not see all the entrances exits. I am positive that the rule then was give way to vehicles on the roundabout to the right. The argument seems to come from the advent of mini roundabouts, where because of the tiny amount of distance twixt the roundabout and the give way line, it behoves the users to obey the "new" regulation to give way to vehicles approaching. I've noticed the absolute stupidity of people accelerating when they see they will have priority under the new rule. Most if not all the problems stem from speed, overconfidence and dash cams. You can approach with confidence knowing the others will get out of the way, if not I've got a dash cam to prove them at fault. That's why us oldies are reticent at hazards! Overconfidence of the young?

[@brianarnold4812]

Your right. When I went for my pcv test I was told not to pull out unless you have a 10 second gap. Due to how slow the vehicle was. That was an official instructor.

[@Anthonyz121]

Usually for me the a holes that don't know how to use a roundabout are usually an audi or bmw. The highway code is there for a reason not just to follow when you feel like it

[@jimenojaime7268]

Great video. Completely correct about roundabouts and priority I see that you've picked up one who disagrees - I've come across him before. I should ignore him - He's so obviously wrong that I think he must know it and is just on a wind-up

[@ataboyboyboy8895]

"185 When reaching the roundabout you should give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights check whether road markings allow you to enter the roundabout without giving way. If so, proceed, but still look to the right before joining watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout; be aware they may not be signalling correctly or at all look forward before moving off to make sure traffic in front has moved off." The confusion arises when a car approaching the roundabout from the right at high speed, still a distance away from the roundabout, if you go first they lose it. If someone has slowed down to enter the roundabout or waiting then they have priority.

[@DevilsHand07]

As far as first come first that seems to be a given in my tuition car, we are treated mostly with scant regard especially at roundabouts, so put quite simply a roundabout is a complex junction, you must always give way to the right. The problem seems to stem mainly on people’s speed on approach and that is generally far to fast and in doing so cannot react in the appropriate manner to traffic on the right. You approach a roundabout, especially if it’s blind slowly anticipating a vehicle approaching, no vehicle there on the right then continue otherwise slow/stop giveway. It’s not rocket science. It’s driving 101.

[@Marc-ww7cc]

13:07 - better question is why there's car parked on the pavement there. Absolutely ridiculous. He must have had to drive a good distance on the pavement to get there.

[@gdwnet]

I think there is some confusion over roundabout rules, it is priority to the right and it's priority for people already ON the roundabout. It is not priority if you are there first although there are some judgement calls. If you can get clear before the person to your right enters the roundabout then no issue. If the person to your right has to stop, brake, etc then you've screwed up.

[@davesouthword1298]

What is the difference between a car already on the roundabout and a car that gets there first? If it were priority for cars already on the roundabout, as you say, then the person to the right must brake / slow / avoid, as that is the definition of giving priority. You can’t screw up if you have priority - others have to give you the road.

[@gdwnet]

@@davesouthword1298_if it were priority for cars already on the roundabout, as you say, then the person to the right must brake / slow / avoid_ Priority to the right comes first. Read what I wrote. All of it.

[@shm5547]

@@davesouthword1298 you are supposed to brake and slow for a roundabout - in case someone pulls onto it before you get there! That traffic calming benefit is one of the major reasons for mini-roundabouts

[@davesouthword1298]

@@gdwnet - you wrote “and it’s priority for people already ON the roundabout”. Can’t be both.

[@gdwnet]

@@davesouthword1298Read rule 185 then look up what the words "precedence priority". you can have both if they apply under different circumstances. Life isn't an absolute.

[@markgregory2480]

Years ago, in the early eighties, my dad hired a car in Malta. When he asked the girl about road rules, she told him" roundabouts are first come, first served. Maybe this is a European thing that's creeping in over here.

[@sillybait1329]

When I went to Malta I stopped at a roundabout to give way to traffic from the right but got no end of abuse, apparently those from the right give way to the left a bit like driving in europe but on the wrong side of the road 😎

[@grahamheath3799]

I am unsure of the priority I understood that European roundabouts gave priority to joining traffic, however I cannot find any evidence of this.

[@skill692]

Spot on. People think it's first come first served because they don't know that you treat a mini roundabout exactly the same as a normal or large roundabout.

[@danielgood7252]

What does 'watch out' mean? It means assume nobody else has read the Highway Code! :p Enjoying the channel.

[@peterward3965]

Absolutely, one gives way to the right...period. Another motoring issue that gets me is traffic entering the main stream of traffic from a slip road ie motorway, duel carriage way etc. You are suppose to give way to on coming traffic and you're suppose to adjust you speed accordingly so you can enter the main stream of traffic. If course other drivers if they can will let you out and join the flow of traffic, but just don't expect it. Can you clarify this please 😊

[@tonyc6592]

I must admit I was always under the impression you give way to the right at a roundabout if another vehicle is quite near

[@gdwnet]

Yes, you do. you wait at the give way line if someone to your right is also at the give way line.

[@gdwnet]

@@johncranna _The car has to be ON the roundabout fir you to give way_ This is not accurate as it depends on the size of the roundabout, if you arrive at the same time as a car to your right does then you should give way to that car unless you can get across the roundabout without causing a problems to that car on your right. If you end up causing them problems you are driving without due care and attention.

[@gdwnet]

@@johncrannaCompletely agree with you there. Now, where do we find common sense?! :D

[@50mi55ile]

Regarding roundabouts especially mini roundabouts , as a truck driver this a regular occurrence where people pull out because they think the fastest goes first

[@CantCampThereMate]

5:25 I think you'll be waiting a while for that pie 😂 great video as ever mate 👍

[@shm5547]

Search TSRGD 2016 Schedule 11 Part 4, delicious!: Vehicular traffic approaching a roundabout should give way at or immediately beyond the line to vehicular traffic circulating on the carriageway of the roundabout

[@mikethecabbie8476]

Showing my age, when I was a kid and my parents were learning to drive (1965 or so), the Highway Code did say "Give way to traffic already on the roundabout". We actually had a board game based around the Highway Code, and that was one of the questions. However, that was well before these mini-roundabouts ever became a thing. Traffic levels have increased, mini-roundabouts have proliferated like rabbits, and the Highway Code has had to evolve to keep pace. Now the priority is "approaching from the right". Which is fine, but unspecific. How far back is "approaching" to be taken? If your opponent is driving an Audi, BMW or Mercedes, then it's flexible: if you're approaching THEM, it's about six feet; if THEY'RE approaching YOU, think more like 60yds...! Now these marques are "aspirational", so wannabe Audiots etc. will practice by adopting their attitudes until that day when they acquire the genuine article. This "watch out" advice is the politically correct way of advising the majority " that the following will pay no attention to priorities that get in their way: Audis BMWs Mercedes Cyclists Courier vans and are unlikely to use polite signals." You see, they're not allowed to call them out specifically; it has to be generalised...

[@BigDavie2000]

I remember that boardgame, it was called Motorway or something. I think it had a picture of a planet covered in motorways on the box.

[@mikethecabbie8476]

@@BigDavie2000 We must be thinking of different games (or different eras), then. This one was called "Take the Test", and had roads going all across the board. In the middle was a 4-way set of traffic lights that were mechanically operated. If you came up to a red light, you had to wait until you threw a six to be able to hit the switch, change the lights to your favour and proceed. You scored points by answering HC questions correctly when you landed on a "question" square; first to 20 points wins a little cardboard driving licence. Golly; how the f*** do I remember that from 60yrs ago, when I can barely remember what I ate for breakfast yesterday...?

[@Oligodendrocyte139]

Sold from 1967 If Wikipedia is to be believed. Thought I was old rambling on about my Cycling Proficiency test 😂. And I had porridge for breakfast yesterday, I think.

[@mildertduck]

I was wondering if it had been re-worded, and I think it has. I will check my early 2000s paper copy and report back.

[@nuntius1933]

These old rules still stand in Australia! It is difficult to see how any rule that gives absolute priority to a vehicle in the roundabout regardless of the number of traffic lanes could ever survive the advent of gyratory roundabouts and other complex multi-lane arrangements.

[@Learnerslancashire]

I think the ‘rule’ that people are misunderstanding is rule 185 in the Highway Code. “Watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout” as a driving instructor we are trained to teach that we give way to traffic approaching from the right and/or anyone already on the roundabout. It seems that some wrongly believe that if they get there first they have right of way.

[@jeremypnet]

5:00 it means that, when you are deciding if somebody on the roundabout is coming your way, be careful because they may be indicating wrongly. Just because somebody isn’t indicating right or is indicating left doesn’t mean they aren’t going to come in front of you.

[@ohallifax]

"Indicator fluid" - love it. Knew there was something wrong with modern BMWs and Audis! Not enough indicator fluid, clearly. And you are of course spot on with the roundabout rules. Personally I like the warning in the highway code. I think it's a polite way to remind people "People already on the roundabout might be complete muppets who turn off or go around without any indication regardless which lane they're in, so be careful". Which is good advice of course.

[@martynrich5187]

I agree they needed to give way and clearly didn't look as you arrived at the junction first - Mini roundabouts need to be approached slow enough so you can actually stop and make the turn to go around it. The only point i would make is you went right over the mini roundabout, which would also be a fail on a driving test if you didnt attempt to go round it.

[@frankyboy1131]

You should have observed better. Play the clip at reduced speed. Both cars arrive almost simultaneously, but a few seconds away from each other, and the cammer is going faster. The driver of the other car does not have to turn all her attention to the cammer, there are much more things on the road going on. The cammer is a self-righteous, petty-flogging narrow-minded moron. He is deliberately causing issues. He is not calling out the problems, he is part of those problems.

[@JamesBrown-py3ft]

😂 luv it, I think some of ur viewer's r 20 somethings who smoke the weed man..

[@richardharvey1732]

Hi T L D C, watching this clip carefully at about one and a half minutes what I see is that other car crossing you path quite slowly which is why she is in your way, this indicates poor judgement on her part and a failure to accurately asses your speed relative to her own, this is a very common problem and clearly requires more careful training. For her to compound her error with that rude gesture was a simple reaction to your horn and her mistake, we live in a culture where people are taught from an early age that denial of error often appears to be effective and it easily become an automatic unconsidered response. Cheers, Richard.

[@dougtaylor2333]

Yes Give Way to the right but I think many of us are at fault because as we approach a roundabout very few of us actually stop at the Give Way marking. We look to our right and if nothing is coming we enter the roundabout without slowing down let alone stopping. Any driver waiting to enter the roundabout is faced with a situation that the road to my right was clear but now it is not as a driver approaches without attempting to stop.

[@fredlenz4743]

Example 2 in the video clearly shows the yield markings on the road. End of argument, priority to traffic on (in ) the roundabout. Its just impatience and ignorance when drivers get it wrong, or shear bloody mindedness.

[@thelondondashcam]

But the highway code doesn’t say that does it, the highway code doesn’t say that, how many times do I have to say it, it doesn’t say that show me the proof where it says if you’re on the roundabout first you have the priority.

[@shm5547]

@@thelondondashcamgo and read TSRGD 2016 schedule 11 for the roundabout marking, it’s very clear only traffic circulating on the roundabout gets priority. You are reading things in the Highway Code that are not there!

[@vinniem8996]

All those who dont give priority to the right at the dickheads that hold their hand up and end up on a KZbin video. Remind people its called a round about not a straight a cross lol. Let the haters hate until they find a life or some friends. Keep up the good work Tony, stay safe be happy.

[@TheBLACKSkellington148]

100% correct.

[@stuartrowe3006]

The wording is "give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights" given in Rule 185. The end bit about markings is important. On some mini-roundabouts, not all have the same double white markings, some have single. There is a difference, and one that is not really clear as to who has priority. Double white lines means "Give way to traffic on major road (can also be used at mini roundabouts)" while single while lines means "Give way to traffic from the right at a roundabout". There are mini-roundabouts I come across where there is a mixture of double and single, meaning one is the major road and one is the minor road. So who has priority? Is it still give way to right and, if so, why have the different markings and meaning?

[@samhenwood5746]

Thanks The London Dash Cam 🚕👍

[@DeadpanCrypto]

It just seems you and others are coming at it from different sides (pun intended). Because there is a point where if you are on the roundabout first you would have priority as it were, for example you can see a car approaching the roundabout to your right but it 100 yards away - that is still approaching from your right but you would go. So at what point is you being on the roundabout first and a person "approaching" from the right change from you going or you giving way? That is the grey area and why rules can't explain common sense.

[@neilsturrock3310]

The rule USED to be you had priority if you were on the roundabout first (about 50 years ago) ie first over (your) Give Way line, but it was changed long ago. Of course there weren't so many then !

[@paulwinstone4825]

I agree with what you are saying, but in some circumstances when approaching the roundabout and you cannot see what is on the roundabout then you may have to simply be aware of the need to let someone already on the roundabout to continue. Close to me there's a tiny roundabout where it is clear if you are waiting but not if you are approaching it that someone is about to enter when you should have priority. Yet, when it is clear such as a car waiting to enter and then I suffer from invisible Ford syndrome again. It's the reason I have a camera so I can show I should have priority if there's an incident.

[@sgthree]

My understanding (after over 36 years of driving) is that once you are on the roundabout (which was clear on your approach with no one approaching from the right), you have priority, but when approaching, you always give way to the right. I know some rules have changed in that time, but that is how I was taught all those years ago (and passed my test first time using that knowledge). I do wonder if there should be more education on using the special orange flashing Christmas decoration lights fitted to the corners of most cars. Maybe some are confusing them with the 'four-way-stop' etiquette that is common in the USA? But that is a totally different animal!

[@adrianthorneycroft6702]

I believe the confusion stems from the wording. Approaching from the right can have two meanings that essentially boil down to: From the right, approaching the junction From the right, on the roundabout I do believe the latter is technically correct, however, it really only comes into play in specific scenarios I.E a HGV/slow moving vehicle pulling out onto the roundabout before you've even got to it and signalled your intention. The problem is, with the HGV, we're likely talking about many seconds as opposed to the tenths or hundreths we're talking about in the clips.

[@norton794]

This first come first served is a thing from abroad. I lived in South Africa for a while and its first come first served on a round about, so maybe that's the problem, drivers who have never passed a British driving test