Bad UK Driving Vol 336

[@ianross210]

I was a passenger in a fatal head on collision 40 + years ago. First two years statements, police, lawyers, coroners and civil courts. Never leaves you.

[@scienceexperimentsforhomee261]

For the opening 4 mins plus, I totally empathise with all that you had to go through with your witnessing of the fatality. It just goes to show how it affects even passer-by's and witnesses.

[@Andrewwhite-zt2zj]

As far as I can deduce from the video LDc saw the aftermath of the accident on his return journey. Still a disturbing scene to witness.

[@scienceexperimentsforhomee261]

​@Andrewwhite-zt2zj did you not listen to what Tony said? He was a witness to the event and gad to give evidence at the coroners inquest. Not only can these by intimidating events but it also means you replay what you went through continually so he really did have a lot to contend with over a protracted amount of time.

[@jjharson7344]

@@scienceexperimentsforhomee261 indeed, other accident scenes, when you see them, they bring back the memories of previous ones... they never leave you.

[@AndrewWhite-fu7bn]

@@scienceexperimentsforhomee261 I have just reviewed this video which contains the fatal accident . LDC does not say he witnessed the crash shown but referred to a previous accident which he witnessed in which gave evidence at coroners court. Either way it is not a pleasant experience to go through. PS We are on the same side.

[@dirtywetdogboatsandsailing6805]

"I may be done with my past but my past isn't done with me"I worked in one of the country's first trauma ICU's and I still have bad memories 35 years on.

[@grahamnutt8958]

Depressing start 😢 It brought back memories of a few incidents that I would prefer not to be reminded of. However....... If this upload serves as a wake up call and can SAVE a Life then it is worthwhile.

[@Sarah-bq7zo]

Went to local town today with two zebra crossings along the main street and I know us drivers have to stop but the pedestrians have to play there parts too I always pause and wait to make sure the cars will be stopping at both crossings people just launched themselves across with barely a glass, two or three staring at phones with headphones

[@lindaj5492]

The term “Phone Zombies” is apt for them.

[@rondameier8168]

Sorry you had to see that... And for the one you dealt with in the past..... I remember one day commuting to work on I880 south bound in San Jose, CA. We came up on an accident scene that was a motorcyclist. The CHP hadn't gotten there yet, so the biker wasn't covered. But his helmet was in one spot, the rest in another and the bike in another... I didn't see the accident happen but it happened just a couple minutes in front of me, and yeah seeing that had me crying the rest of my drive to work.... And yes those things, even as just a witness, will effect any normal person for a long time..... My ex husband once saw a guy fall off building scaffolding, sadly the man didn't survive the fall.... And it wrecked him, mentally, for a long time afterwards.. My condolences to the delivery drivers family and friends.... On a side note... Food delivery, with the exception of groceries, needs to stop...

[@IndigoJo]

The Audi at 6:23 might not have been indicating until the last minute. People often don't because they can't be bothered or the indicator click interferes with whatever they're listening to. Happened to me loads of times; unless the lane is empty or the left lane is left turn only, I get in the left lane.

[@stephencope7178]

Late signals seem to be a common thing now...indicating three quarters of the way into a manoeuvre. . .they might as well have not bothered at all!! 😳

[@beverlyhenderson188]

I was the same. I was first at lights and saw lady walk out in front of a car. Never forgotten it and court. Horrible.

[@georgeday5901]

I was following my brother when he lost control of his motorcycle going round abend he was in a coma for 5 hours until they pulled the plug and declared him dead ,worst day of my life.

[@thelondondashcam]

Sorry to hear that

[@MrBendibus]

Sorry for your loss

[@suziforester]

So awful. God bless x

[@alanclarke4646]

How awful.

[@MattHadder]

God bless? According to religion, things happen because of God's will. So, that is gods fault.

[@andreashaynes3346]

Many thanks for sharing with us Tony. Very sad, sober beginning but you soon remedied that with your combination of numpties!!! 🙏🤣 Take care and catch you soon 👍👍👍

[@DraftySatyr]

Very sober beginning. Utterly agree, encounters with dead bodies or even seriously injured ones stay with you for life. I'd like to think that I've learned from other people's errors, but I still occasionally catch myself being a prat at the wheel.

[@Manu-Official]

Bit of a glum start here - some members of my family have witnessed a bike accident, I won't get into detail as it was horror movie levels of gruesome. I have witnessed a dog being mangled and howling for 10 minutes, owners and kids (without a leash, their fault unfortunately hard lesson) went complete beserk, we had to take the driver in the house for her protection etc. Just that will haunt me for the rest of my days, I will never forget. More recently saw a pedestrian receiving life saving emergency life saving procedures - while I can confirm it does stay in your head rent free, I'm glad to confirm the man was air lifted to the Royal London Hospital and was saved. Drive safe everybody.

[@petercoffin-mu9sz]

Tony I understand your feelings exactly, I have that t-shit. But in my case my vehicle did the deed. You run the whole incident over and over in you head and think of any way to change the outcome, but no. I was the innocent party in somebody's else's fatal mistake. I have not suffered too much, but it stays with you for life. thx P.

[@Gripper-ie2qg]

Agree with you about the effect of seeing the first dead body, I'm 68 now, but, when i was maybe 10 I saw a little girl maybe 4 ish get run over by the miniature railway at Wicksteed Park, her face was grey and clothing covered in grease, it was obvious she had been killed - that picture remains crystal clear in my mind.

[@petegolding2657]

Thanks Tone, I was getting worried about the lack of Audis in the video but one appeared really late to save the day , always an Audi........ 😅😂😂😂😂

[@PeteSQ]

We had a crash in our village a few weeks ago, 30mph zone. Not a fatality but an elderly driver who apparently always cuts corners according to his daughter. He met someone doing the same coming the opposite way. 2 cars written off, 2 people in hospital. I think that's a good result. 2 drivers who are a danger to themselves and others off the road for a while.

[@lindaj5492]

Sounds like the elderly driver will need to be reassessed before being allowed to drive again: and his daughter should give evidence.

[@samhenwood5746]

Thanks The London Dash Cam 🚕👍

[@kimothy1701]

“The left turns left, the right turns right” sounds like the opening line of a song.

[@thelondondashcam]

Woah-oh, the hokey cokey Woah-oh, the hokey cokey Knees bent, arms stretched, ra, ra, ra 😁😂

[@suziforester]

@@thelondondashcam 🙈🙉🙊

[@Andrewwhite-zt2zj]

@@thelondondashcam What if the Hokey Cokey IS what it's all about?

[@alanclarke4646]

🎶The left turns left, the right turns right, don't f* it up or we'll have to fight 🎶

[@MRCAGR1]

2:04 as both vehicles appear to be driving in opposite directions, at the speed limit the collision speed would be 60 mph.

[@lindaj5492]

60mph IF they hit head-on: which would mean one vehicle was on wrong side of the road.

[@hughjanus7354]

No it wouldn't be 60mph. Two vehicles in head on collision at 30mph produce the same level of forces as one vehicle hitting a wall at 30mph. Here we have a slightly more nuanced situation of one vehicle being much heavier than the other one, so it's not an equivalent, but speeds never just simply add up like what you stated with 60mph.

[@MRCAGR1]

@@hughjanus7354 of course velocities in opposite directions add together. This is the relative velocity. If you overtake a vehicle that is travelling at 30 mph at a speed of 40 mph, the overtaking speed is 10 mph, because for every second of travel the other car has moved a bit further along the road.

[@hughjanus7354]

@@MRCAGR1 that's why I was referring to forces not speeds, as the force is what does the damage in an impact. You're implying that the impact was more severe because head on collision speed was 60mph, not 30mph. It's not. If you hit another car and both of you do 30 vs if you hit a solid wall at 30 you are exposed to same level of force, i.e. first impact is not more severe.

[@MRCAGR1]

@@hughjanus7354 it’s a long time since I did basic physics or applied mathematics at O and A level. I’ve reacquainted myself by looking on the internet!

[@MikeWilliams-yp9kl]

Love your video's ❤ , keep them coming, 🎉

[@JamieSaunders-yn9nu]

A very sobering start. Just reminds everyone that life is so fragile. So sorry for all involved. Have seem dashcam footage down under of delivery riders behaviour on the roads. Their employers should be charged with industrial manslaughter for putting so much pressure on them. My brother in law was a policeman for 30 odd years. He has PTSD from the sights he has seen on highway patrol and general duties.

[@martinr6298]

first item... might be 3o limit and they could have been doing 30, but were they in opposite directions ?... that would be minimum 60mph crash speed, possibly more if the scooter was speeding. That would clearly account for the damage to the police car and the distance travelled by the scooter and the rider.

[@RonDeeks]

8.18...Liked the sarcasm about the idiot on crutches.

[@AndrewWhite-fu7bn]

Do we really need sarcasm about folk on crutches, Seems mean spirited to me.

[@RonDeeks]

@@AndrewWhite-fu7bn He was the stupid idiot hopping across the road against oncoming traffic.

[@suziforester]

Yes...we need it

[@karenwalker575]

@9:33. . Going through a red light? Perhaps a yes + yes or no+ yes🤔 The former if a Pelican crossing. The latter if a Toucan.

[@ianlove1215]

In connection with your armed police spot at Gatwick, I came back from Dublin into London City & there were 2 armed police on the DLR I took back into London. I have a 125cc motorbike & have had some close calls. The closest was on a roundabout. Bog standard 4 way & I'm going straight in the middle lane approaching. The entrance to my left has a dedicated slip separated by white hatchings to go the way I was. (I hope you're getting this!!) As I went to get straight after doing what I had to do so I discovered a hire van overtaking me. I can't go left even though the lane was empty as I was still leaning slightly. By the time I was straight he had gone.

[@purplegary]

Missing front number plates. My thinking is the rear number plate can easily be 'blacked' but no excuses on the front number plate, so they are removed to reduce being picked by dash cam's?

[@peterdixon6807]

15:18 most high performance cars aren’t designed with a front, post-factory fitted air-brake in mind. The alternative stick-on, bonnet plate is not thought to improve the sexiness either.

[@mwolfer1]

6:16 They aren't thick, just bamboozled and beguiled by seeing the indicator blinking on an Audi! Sucks you in like the Time Tunnel.

[@johnjephcote7636]

Ah, but don't forget that at roundabouts, any outside lane, even on the rondo itself is 'an overtaking opportunity' no matter even if you want to turn left!

[@JBTheMighty]

The South American delivery drivers around Sutton are crazy. Too fast and too close all the time its a nightmare.

[@Andrewwhite-zt2zj]

They are probably used to driving in Rio De Janeiro where everybody does that.

[@peterdixon6807]

6:16 Steady on. You don’t know when the cars turning right started indicating. Some drivers only indicate a few yards before the turn [and after braking] and catch other drivers out.

[@dtfhhn]

Sometimes I actually wonder that so few people die today in traffic. My wife was driving with her car, me as passenger, so not really powerful acceleration going on. We were overtaken by someone in a bent, just leaving the city. If oncoming traffic wouldnt have been driving the maybe 90 km/h, but 120, they wouldve crashed (allowed are 100). Most of the times its just sheer luck. If I would witness someone crashing, I would fully be on side of the one doing 120, not the overtaking one.

[@markwells6222]

the roads are getting worse people always in a rush driving standards are all time low

[@Madness832]

As an American, I had to chuckle at, "armed police!"

[@doghous3]

@@AndrewWhite-fu7bn we really don't.

[@ytr8989]

8:18 another pedestrian nearly gets hit. This time you mentioned it.

[@tanderson278]

At 09:18 Cyclist on pavement. Several Home Secretaries have written to Chief Police Officers, to inform them where a cyclist is riding on the pavement because they do not feel safe cycling on the road, this is a permitted activity, providing the cyclist is riding on the pavement with due care.

[@melissanewton7462]

Exactly, these days you are more allowed on the pavement simply because the roads around you are not safe anymore. I won't use a certain dual carriageway near my home now now I've reached 64 and am slow at reacting on a bike. But I hate having to get around pedestrians. They don't take care no matter what on a path or crossing the road. Despite seeing me coming some groups of pedestrians are reluctant to move aside to allow me through.

[@scienceexperimentsforhomee261]

​@melissanewton7462 you are meant to give way to pedestrians, not the other way round. But I do think it is simply politeness for a pedestrian to move out of the way if they see you coming.

[@paulqueripel3493]

​@@scienceexperimentsforhomee261a lot of pedestrians walking in pairs won't move out of the way of a pedestrian walking towards them.

[@shm5547]

9:46 riding abreast here is the correct thing to do. It makes the cyclists easier to see and encourages drivers to use lane 2 to pass. It's safer and easier for drivers to pass than cycling on a 60mph single carriageway road. The cycle path may not be surfaced for a road bike, some of them are quite rough.

[@thelondondashcam]

The safest thing is to use the bike lane in my opinion, and I think the roads are in a worse state than any bike lane nowadays.

[@shm5547]

@@thelondondashcamin my opinion the roads would be safer if everyone cycled! The cyclist can choose what works best for them here. Unless you are riding a bicycle regularly on routes like this, your opinion will not be from experience.

[@suziforester]

@@thelondondashcam They quote HWC, Safety, What is best for them. Then put themselves at huge risk. They then blame motorists.

[@scienceexperimentsforhomee261]

​​@@thelondondashcamI've already pointed out to you exactly the same point but you've ignored it. The so called bike lane will have far more debris in it that is a danger to cyclists. The road will be clearer due to road sweeping and justvthe plain fact that cars are constantly driving along it, so it is pure ignorance from you to say that the bike lane is a safer - it isn't.

[@thelondondashcam]

So you use this cycle lane regularly do you ?

[@kungfutuber]

12:52 I guess none of them wanted to indicate either? 😅

[@BigSpudz]

Well if the Bike and Police Car were both doing 30MPH and they had a Head On Crash then the impact would be 60MPH so Yes it could be fatal and much damaged would occur which looking at the Police Car that could be the case

[@adenwellsmith6908]

Was the scooter legal? Was the person working legally? Were they in the UK legally? Did they have a license? Were they insured? Did they have a criminal record? I can't' see a license plate. Was the scooter obeying the law? 1:05 - looks like an illegal bike making a right. Police state "moped". That can mean anything Here's the big issue. Given the extent of the criminality of 2 wheel drivers, I wouldn't convict any driver.

[@adenwellsmith6908]

@@the_Monkee If they are here illegally, then they would have been alive if they had followed the law. In the road next to me, in the last 18 months 3 killed. 4 with life changing injuries. A 1 km stretch. If we look at the offenders, almost all are working illegally for deliveroo. etc. We have massive snatch thefts on illegal bikes. We have drugeroo. Why should the victims put up with the criminality? 7 days ago, I took a police inspector out for 2 hours. [I had some leverage against his boss who's made a horlicks of things, with the MP involved too]. At one point he gets worried for his personal safety. Now for mopeds doing delivery. You can test this. Young driver, L plates, delivery of food in London. Only one quote, third party, came in at 8,500 a year with a £3,000 excess. None of them are insured. or the lad at the local school. One of the 4 victims above. Smashed by one. Just back after 3 months off. Or my neighbour put in a wheelchair by one whilst he was on the pavement. So stop defending the criminals.

[@adenwellsmith6908]

Looks like one of your posts has vanished, but I got an email. Here's the bigger picture. To many two wheeled criminals. It's rampant. It's killing people. If one of them does themselves in, its a tradegy for them and their families. But when they take out other people in my view that's worse. So the police need to step up to the plate and deal with the problem.

[@heatherhoward2513]

The person is DEAD. Someone mourns him. Who the f...k cares about legal or not! It's a death. I'm willing to bet the cops were in the wrong but they'll get away with it as usual.

[@doghous3]

I live in a city (not London), so we have a lot of scooter delivery peeps. Many will often pull unpredictable - if not dangerous - manoeuvres. If I see them in my mirror, I give them room, don't want them behind me, thank you very much --- and I say this as a motorcyclist.

[@adenwellsmith6908]

@@doghous3 So here's the question. Delivery driver is killed in an accident. You're on the jury. Do you a) Acquit b) Give a not guilty verdict

[@ritchieblackmore5204]

It only takes a second

[@rodmcleod4805]

with the people stuck in the right hand lane behind the arse in the Audi,they probably thought they can't be seeing an indicating Audi,so it's either a wind up or he's got a rare retro fitted Audi who doesn't know what the stick does or knocked it by mistake

[@ianbentley-rb7hs]

About the armed Police Officers; they are first and foremost Police Officers and will deal with any situation they come across, or are sent to, in exactly the same way as any other officer. It's only when they go to known or suspected incidents where weapons may be involved that their firearms training comes into play. Yes, they may routinely carry a holstered sidearm, but the Rules of Engagement are the same as for their other lethal options.

[@houstonceng]

The police manual of driving called “Roadcraft” actually recommends taking a roundabout from lane 1 to lane 2 to lane 1 for smoother faster driving. Assuming that there is no car on your RHS.

[@scienceexperimentsforhomee261]

Exactly. It's been pointed out before to LDC but he's just stuck in his rut of staying in one lane around the roundabout. Yes, if there is traffic around you but here the roundabout was empty so his line was completely right and actually much safer than the line LDC would want him to take.

[@thelondondashcam]

Police manual but what does it say in the highway code ?

[@suziforester]

@@thelondondashcam Oh no.... don't start Mr Boring off Tony

[@scienceexperimentsforhomee261]

@thelondondashcam you don't know or have a copy of the Highway Code? It does actually say that you should stay in the lane you chose to take any exit, but that is so that it covers the possibility of other cars being around. If I am aware of other cars near me then I do exactly as HC suggests and stay in my lane but if the roundabout is empty then I straddle lane as in the clip. The Police manual recommends it as it improves the stability of the car. Police pursuit drivers are the best trained in the world and would go be their recommendations over yours.

[@scienceexperimentsforhomee261]

@thelondondashcam www.iamroadsmart.com/docs/librariesprovider41/observer-documents/common-confusions-car-15-5-14.pdf?sfvrsn=4d539850_4 See section 13 from Institute of Advanced Motorists

[@kenmerry2729]

The right hand indicators do not always go on until the lights change.

[@JohnSmith-rw2yn]

I wrote off a Corsa doing 30mph. Entire bonnet crumpled as I hit a car who pulled out of a give way. So you can wreck a car doing 30mph

[@dhcgvvchnchb1161]

Also, with vehicles in a head on, the impact speed is a combo of the two vehicles, so assuming both were doing the limit, that's a 60 mph impact there.

[@Andrewwhite-zt2zj]

@@dhcgvvchnchb1161 TV documentary a while ago about low speed collisions. All vehicles absolute write-offs.

[@DraftySatyr]

@@Andrewwhite-zt2zj It is by design, and I don't mean that in a cynical "they're out to make money from repairs" way. Deformable structures are built into all modern cars, not just to absorb energy and protect the occupants, but to lessen the impact on a pedestrian or cyclist. Of course there are limits, and the pedestrian/cyclist/biker may be thrown into something hard and ungiving, or there is direct impact to the head, which is frequently not survivable.

[@briantinker7290]

"How did you get that bad leg Mate"? classic

[@drcl7429]

In reference to the fatal accident, I am very confused by the position of the police car.

[@lindaj5492]

The Police car is on the right (in UK, that’s the ‘wrong’) side of the road, with an island just ahead of it. Damage looks like a head-on? Wonder if local Police will issue a statement…

[@michaelperry4308]

15:26, They see it in septic movies and think it's "Cool", that is enough for the "Innit" types.

[@Andrewwhite-zt2zj]

That post tanked.

[@michaelperry4308]

@@Andrewwhite-zt2zj Yes it was a bit shit.

[@PeteSQ]

14:30, looks like road planning team who did Epsom town centre are moonlightimg and bringing their unique skills elsewhere

[@johnjephcote7636]

Getting out of the drop off at Luton took me three attempts as the card machine was so worn, I could not find the green button to confirm my card number.

[@fatsmandela]

7:15 , I had armed police when I was a professional driver (the flight was delayed and I waited just outside)

[@micky1up]

yet again NO the pedestrian doesn't need to learn anything you are responsible as the car driver he has priority

[@thelondondashcam]

I'll make sure they put that on his gravestone then, does it really hurt to look just to make sure priority having priority doesn't make you invincible.

[@neiltrevatt]

When did the Audi put indicator on I wonder 6.15

[@craigrothwell6144]

That's why my food never arrived!

[@outcast5018]

also i think the no front reg is for speeders n such on motorway fie the ANPR cams. they never seem to look at them from behind

[@gazzertrn]

Slip roads are a real problem . Just because they are indicating they think they have the right to pull out , and you are supposed to move over . Highway code says only cross white lines when safe to do so and all clear . But they seem to know better than that . Dont know how though .

[@suziforester]

Nowhere near first....its right to give someone else a chance❤

[@Holycurative9610]

Your generosity knows no bounds Suzi. That's very generous of you and, as we know, life at the top can be lonely so I appreciate you coming down and visiting with us 3rds and 4ths and sometimes 128ths🤣🥰😉

[@suziforester]

Ha ha...you're entirely welcome. I've been there so I know how it is...but I never forget my upbringing xx

[@michellesimpson4364]

Great videos ❤

[@craigrothwell6144]

How do you know when the audi started indicating? They don't usually bother.

[@ytr8989]

At 3:06 did you see that pedestrian who walked out right in front of you? Could have been a fatality right there.

[@tristanpage6805]

Great content again

[@alfredo2068]

Why people always say: lost control. They never say: speeding or driving like an asshole !!!

[@toffeetastic]

Six quid to drop off. Cause it gone up, it summer peak season 😂

[@KPP365]

Do you think ? All these drivers hold full driving licences ?

[@sunnybnk]

A bit tight on the cyclist at 2:50.

[@shm5547]

yeah, that made me flinch, loads of space to the right too. Cyclist was riding in the gutter too, should have been further out into the road.

[@neuralwarp]

2 cyclists on dual carriageway - no, you're supposed to use the left-most lane unless you're overtakjng.

[@Paul-mf1vj]

That's exactly the reason I won't go camping.

[@upyaronson]

horrible world sometimes

[@Andrewwhite-zt2zj]

Well observed.

[@xo2quilt]

On the armed police at Gatwick, maybe they were after his passenger and not him?? Fatal accidents must be horrible; I've been blessed to never been close to anything like that. For a country with as many roundabouts as England, y'all sure have a problem using them correctly!

[@YT_Rezy]

Alright mate where do i send you videos

[@grahamnutt8958]

@Rezy I just tried to reply but YT have deleted it. Tony's email address posted in the descriptions, ok. Hope that helps.

[@YT_Rezy]

@grahamnutt8958 ik, but do I sent it through we transfer or

[@grahamnutt8958]

​@@YT_Rezywe transfer or similar is best, mate. Email attachments would, in my experience, be far too large. Good luck.

[@YT_Rezy]

@@grahamnutt8958 cheers

[@Holycurative9610]

@@YT_Rezy I sent some clips in via Gmail as Gmail allows pretty large attachments although I did edit the vids I sent down to a sensible length of under 20 seconds. Link is in the description under the video^^^^^

[@tanderson278]

I think all convicted dangerous drivers should be compelled to attend the investigation of a fatal crash.

[@glennbeavis8478]

At 16:20, i don't think the pedestrian has right of way there. Unless it is a different ruling than the one where they are waiting in a road that you will be turning into; or in fact already crossing a road that you will be turning into. She is on the same road as you and car in front.... yes there is a gap thing to walk through /across, but no lights, no zebra. If she has right of way, which HC rule is it please.

[@scienceexperimentsforhomee261]

They do. Roundabouts are treated as multiple road junctions so Highway Code rule 170 applies equally here.

[@MrDbrennen]

How many police? I thought there was a shortage of officers

[@michaelneale7813]

7 04 Perhaps the police have seen how they drive on your Vlogs

[@ForkCandle123]

At 14:17 the speed limit / suggested speed is clearly 25 mph. They sign jokers just want you to do some math.

[@michaelsaunders6923]

People will still drive like idiots Cyclists will take risks Pedestrians will think they are untouchable Some people will never learn

[@Andrewwhite-zt2zj]

A philosopher, no doubt.

[@suziforester]

@@Andrewwhite-zt2zj Boring

[@iamnoone.]

A moment of silence 🔕 ✨️ 😌 💔

[@stefanruszkai8876]

How’d you get that bad leg mate, just creased me up Tony.

[@BigSpudz]

Being at or neaemr an Airport you would expect to see Armed Police. Anyone with a brain should know that!

[@charliejackman2953]

Somebody's tired.

[@ed_j_webb]

16:36 So you're saying Audi drivers can't get it up? No wonder they're so grumpy.

[@outcast5018]

i had an older fella with a crutch crossing the road on a red man today. busy junction too. can't fix stupid

[@Manu-Official]

Recently had 2 teenage girls pushing the button on a red man WHILE crossing. I gave it a little bit of engine growl and they never ran so fast in their lives. There's stupid and then there's willingly stupid.

[@suziforester]

And there's boring idiots on here advocating for these ignorant pedestrians x

[@suziforester]

Certain commenters will be along soon to advocate on behalf of these idiotic pedestrians

[@suziforester]

Entitled pedestrians

[@Andrewwhite-zt2zj]

@@suziforester Silence.

[@remistrijbis17]

First for once from new Zealand

[@Andrewwhite-zt2zj]

But you are 13 hours ahead of us. So unfair.

[@Holycurative9610]

I was 2215th but I'm 139 hours behind NZ🤣🤣

[@AndrewWhite-fu7bn]

@@Holycurative9610 In a world of your own then.

[@suziforester]

@@AndrewWhite-fu7bn Boring

[@patcole8925]

How dyou get that bad leg mate ? Crossing the fucking road 😂 pmsl

[@ianemery2925]

The damage to the Police car would suggest they hit the bike side on - which means it was almost certainly the police car speeding - and perhaps the old scooter rider not realising the cops were accelerating hard, pulled out in front of them, across the road. Cop car drivers are all cyclists - speed limits dont apply to them. As a further prediction, their dash cam footage will never see the light of day.

[@Andrewwhite-zt2zj]

Cynical and trite in the extreme. Accidents occur in the blink of an eye, so speculation about what happened is futile.

[@ianemery2925]

@@Andrewwhite-zt2zj Bikes are narrow - that crash impact is across the full width of the Police car and almost even in the extent - that isnt a front or rear impact on a motorscooter; but a broadside. As for cynical, I rarely see a police car obeying the speed limits - in fact I used to take advantage of their speeding; I used to follow the Chief Constable of Warwickshire on his way to work, when I was attending Coventry University - l would let him over take me; give him a 1/4 mile, then match his speed - as he knew where any live cameras and cars were likely to be; most of the trip was done at over 100 mph. As an ex "professional driver" I could give details of dozens of regular speeding events by cops on routine "outings"; from the Midlands, down to London; things I would see EVERY TIME I passed certain locations at the right time of the day; like non Motorway cars speeding along the M4 to Membury services every morning - to put some miles on the clock after slacking off for much of the night, and for some breakfast before going back to HQ and clocking out.

[@AndrewWhite-fu7bn]

@@ianemery2925 Confirmed.

[@ditch3827]

8:46 If a car kills a pedestrian crossing the road, it is not the pedestrian killing themselves, as you incorrectly stated, but the car driver killing the pedestrian.

[@thelondondashcam]

Can the pedestrian avoid being in the road ? Can a car avoid being in the road ?

[@ditch3827]

@@thelondondashcam Roads are shared spaces, shared between pedestrians, cyclists, horse riders and motorists and all have a right to use them, although motorists only under licence and on condition that they are considerate to other road users.

[@suziforester]

@@thelondondashcam Spot on Tony. Its that simple

[@scienceexperimentsforhomee261]

​​@@thelondondashcam you can drive at an appropriate speed and be fully aware of hazards ahead of you. You do neither of those at 10:08 and 8:50.

[@suziforester]

@@thelondondashcam And you remain spot on Tony

[@shm5547]

9:27 I suspect that is all shared pavement and there's no issue with the cyclist riding across the crossing to join the road, how else are they supposed to do it? 😂

[@thelondondashcam]

As it's a pedestrian crossing he should be walking the bike across then join the road after, and it isn't a shared path at the start of the clip.

[@shm5547]

@@thelondondashcam are you sure it's not a toucan crossing? also, signage of shared paths is often poorly done, so it could be shared. in any case, there's practically no difference in the alternative. cycling carefully on a normal footway is effectively decriminalised, just like you won't likely get fined for doing 21mph in a 20 limit.

[@shm5547]

@@thelondondashcam ok, I've had a look and between Streeters Rd and Church Rd is marked as an off-road cycle track on Google maps. That also looks very much like a Toucan crossing, it has an additional green light, which is most likely a cycle symbol, so perfectly fine to ride across and join the road.

[@FCDashCam]

The guy with the crutches had almost reached the other side of the road when you got to him. Was your comment really necessary?

[@emmawilliamson692]

The guy with crutches chose to cross a road in his state without using a designated crossing which from the footage was only a few metres away and theoretically slowed down traffic because of it. So yeah I think the comment is warranted

[@thelondondashcam]

Yes it was with I crossing so close, and if you are going to cross there wait until the road is completely clear.

[@suziforester]

@@emmawilliamson692 Spot on Emma x

[@scienceexperimentsforhomee261]

@@emmawilliamson692 he's on crutches and you expect him to walk, for him, a considerable distance just to go to a crossing. When he started to cross, the road was clear. LDC was 100yds away when he could have seen the man. LDC chose to maintain the same speed until he was 10 yds away. That is completely careless and thoughtless driving and the icing on the cake was the totally thoughtless and aggressive comment about his condition due to being hit by cars whilst he crossed the road. What if he has a degenerative disease that results in him needing crutches? We don't know either way but for LDC to make that appalling comment is completely unforgivable. He should be ashamed of himself even though he shows himself in a very caring light at he beginning of the video. He is a very Jekyll and Hyde personality.

[@emmawilliamson692]

@@scienceexperimentsforhomee261 aye I'm sure you would argue black was white if it meant you could be offended on the internet 🙄

[@scienceexperimentsforhomee261]

At 4:50 the so called lane to the petrol station was so narrow (half the width of the lane left for you) that even if the van was in it, you would not have been able to get past him. So a rather irrelevant whine! At 8:50 you could have seen the man on crutches at least 50 yds always yet you chose to leave the slowing down until you were only 10 yds away, so vey poor hazard awareness from you and a very sick comment to say that he got the bad leg from crossing roads and getting hit. 9:27 - very surprised you could not assess this properly for yourself. His fault was not going through the red light as the light was green for him and his fault was going over the crossing whilst still riding the bike - he should have wheeled it across. 9:50 - the cyclists might be in more danger if they travel on the cycle path due to debris on the path. It is not swept and the cars travelling along the road ensure there is nothing that could cause a puncture to cycle wheels. 10:08 - if you think that cyclist was crossing in an unsafe place then that directly implies you were travelling too fast. Rule 126 of the Highway Code "Drive at a speed that will allow you to stop well within the distance you can see to be clear." 10:50 - the car so called crossing lanes inconvenienced no-one so your criticism is pointless 11:00 0- as you say the way the BMW slowed down to enter safely is fine but his subsequent quick lane changes was bad and contravenes the recommendations of the Highway Code 12:00 - you don not turn left or right at a roundabout, you choose the 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc exit. Both lanes were marked o the road as for M25 and A127 so the bikes and car were in the correct lanes. In fact you were in the incorrect lane. You were not turning left, your exit was after 12 o'clock so according to Highway Code rule 186 you should have been in the right hand lane. "That roundabout" - 14:15. It's come before and you said the same thing then ad I corrected you then but you have taken absolutely no notice and again I am so surprised at someone who drives every day for a living but does not know the difference between the effect of the road marking and the large circular road sign on a pole. So when you see 30 or20 painted in the road, it has no legal significance - it is just a reminder but they can be outdated as they do not comply with the fully legal compliant circular signs on the roadside, on a pole, circular with a red edging. So at 14:22 you are legally in a 30 zone - the 20 road marking at 14:26 is irrelevant - so you saying at 15:00 that you are in a 20 limit is totally wrong. The roundabout at 16:20 is fat too small to have two lanes approaching in the two directions such that the truck at 16:52 was completely right to take the position he did to be able to get around the mini roundabout easily.

[@SGPFK8TypeR]

Blah blah blah. Ain’t no one reading your wall of nonsense.

[@suziforester]

@@SGPFK8TypeR I am.....I'm having trouble sleeping...I read his posts and generally succumb 4 lines in x

[@scienceexperimentsforhomee261]

@@SGPFK8TypeR but you did!!??

[@SGPFK8TypeR]

@@scienceexperimentsforhomee261 Ok. Whatever you think. Dick!

[@suziforester]

@@scienceexperimentsforhomee261 An attempt at humour for a change....you see even someone like you can try it. You're not funny, but at least you tried sausage xx