Timesuck | The 1977 Girl Scout Murders

[@VanessaKittredge]

First time I caught your show. I’m familiar with the camp story and you gave it excellent detail and timeline. I also agree with your bit at the end about kids needing thicker skin- however, I feel we need to remember that not all “parents help their kids grow confidence”, kids are coming to school with different issues and home environments and some have way better skills than others. Bullying is a real thing. And it affects the weaker kids who don’t have great coaching and support at home or have conditions like learning disabilities, autism, or plain old shyness and insecurity -are targets. So yes I think I need to start backing off my kids now, and let them fight their own battles and recover from crappy situations at school but I wish we would find a way to teach compassion and citizenship in schools and grow a culture of mentoring and kindness so that the power can more evenly shift and the kids who struggle can get access to experiences that their more confident, assertive peers have. Dunno if I made sense. Anyway loved your show and hugs to the families of these three angels. I pray they get answers and comfort.

[@randirae4894]

The email at the end about the man with the father on hospice... I sit here listening after enduring the last 5 weeks starting with finding my Mama on the floor 5 weeks ago. We were told to be there in 30 minutes to say goodbye... she at 71 has overcome all the things the hospital had said she would never do, starting with live through the night. She then breathed on her own, woke up, spoke. just got the news that she is eating successfully. She may make it home Her left side is strengthening and I am so happy. I wasn't several times recently though, and podcasts saved me so much grief. I love you guys for taking the effort and giving us a distraction from something horrible happening. Hail Nimrod!!!

[@guillermoelias24]

Woah, that was close. For a moment, I almost had faith in our judicial system and government.

[@victoriadeyot9321]

New sub here. Just happened across your channel while I was watching videos on this story. Much appreciate your work, professionally done yet not dry. Also want to give props for the donation to Tim Tebow foundation. Thank you.

[@Michelle-1]

Thank you for all you do.

[@OkieGal123]

Hello im from Salina Oklahoma like 15 miles away i was 3 years old when it happened and ive heard these storys my whole life am afraid this wtll never be solved but has anyone ever thought about questioning any of the boys from camp Garland across the road .

[@susiearviso3032]

The three murdered girls is solved. We know what happened. The bad guy is dead. The 3 girls are with Jesus. There ya go. No need to keep dragging it on. Time to stop dragging it on & on.

[@gaylehudson7267]

In February 2022, it's amazing to see how ideas about children have changed. It's like we live in a different century rather than just 2 years.

[@chamomilekelsi]

Did anyone else get John Mulaney-at-mass-style schooled when he read off the Girl Scout Promise and it was NOT the same as it used to be? XD

[@dr.deathstevewilliamsou7678]

When I was a kid in the 80s the boy scouts took us camping at the park the murders happened in . I remember the leaders telling us about the murders and it was important to not stray from the group. Needles to say we sat up all night in our tents terrified.

[@beedifrnt]

Dr. Death Steve Williams ou#76. It is my understanding that Camp Scott was closed permanently after the murders in 1977. There was a Boy Scout camp very close to Camp Scout, which is most likely where you camped. Camp Scott was sold to a private party shortly after the murders.

[@Esthetician106]

beedifrnt you are correct. There’s no way they stayed at Camp Scott. The Boy Scout camp, Camp Garland is just down the highway from where Camp Scott was located. Close enough to be scared but it was not Camp Scott. Camp Scott was NEVER opened again and it was ONLY a Girl Scout camp anyway.

[@karmamoon6374]

In 1977, child abductions, murders, rapes, etc were not on the news every day like it is today. Parents were more naive. Why was there not a counselor in the tents? That I do not understand.

[@susiearviso3032]

The worst part is over, and has been.

[@ryanjacobson2508]

I do know that many of the parents of camp attendees stated that they had no idea that the tents were that spread apart from each other, that the lighting in the area was poor, that security was non-existent (as is evidenced by how many times apparent intruders were seen in the area and how many suspicious things occurred and were not properly investigated prior to the murders). Evidently at least some of the parents thought that the girls would stay in cabins and be under closer supervision at night.

[@shedrattv2512]

My friends name is actually Jack Goff. It's fun being near when people find out that's his real name.

[@mikey2time484]

His parents knew exactly what they were doing.. come on lol

[@shedrattv2512]

@@mikey2time484 his middle name is Daniels so I'm assuming they did know exactly what they were doing. Lol

[@mikey2time484]

​@shedrattv2512 that's fcking nuts man. Damn your comment was 3 yrs old. I'm glad ur doing good

[@annaroth8844]

I accidentally yelled hail nimrod in school.... my teacher responded with. Let lucifina be with you. I cried

[@jtwright4095]

💜💜💜💜💜💜💕💕💕💕💕💕💕

[@dumpsterpizzaproductionsllc]

No she didnt.

[@annaroth8844]

The Phoenix Film company he did it was great

[@susiearviso3032]

Stupid.

[@mikey2time484]

​@annaroth8844 that's sick. Now ur out of.school. sucks doesn't it

[@Dietchocolatemlk]

As an Oklahoman, I've had squirrel jerkey 1 time and it was some of the best shit I've ever had, but I'm also a hillbilly piece of shit, not how they do it in Hollywood.

[@lucygresham3012]

I'm new here.....i think I got lost on the way to an eyebrow tutorial....just wanna say...i think I like it!....hope I can stay and there's no dress code?....serious note to Derek..just cos she fell outta love with you doesn't mean someone else won't fall IN love with you....and..you will always always be your sons dad and role model...don't take that away from him or you xxxx

[@lucygresham3012]

@@juliebfrandsen5066 Why thank you kindly..i am enjoying being a part xx

[@joustingjay]

Fuck me, 7 minutes into this podcast and he wont stop doing commercials, I give up. Moving on.

[@Servo1616]

When you said the parents at the boyscout camp didn't pick up their sons it really made me think. I wonder if our concept of sexual assault has changed THAT MUCH. Like, those parents just assumed boys were safe. Speculation, but something to think about.

[@jtwright4095]

dude, ikr, that blew my mind 🤯 Honestly, I think they must not have been made aware of it. I just can't come up with a good explanation!☠

[@Tina06019]

When I heard this, I found it very disturbing.

[@ryanjacobson2508]

Most likely the assumption was that the killer was a pervert only interested in females.

[@boebender]

I swear to god my 8th grade algebra teacher’s name was Mr. Jack Koff-Lakeside High, Atlanta GA 1986.

[@jtwright4095]

dude. she took off the ring TWO YEARS AGO.☠

[@datgurl12121]

As someone who doesn't believe in an afterlife, I find the death penalty pointless. You can only experience punishment if you're alive. Death is the easy way out.

[@guillermoelias24]

I think the argument is to get rid of them and the burden they place on the prison system and taxpayer. Why continue to pay to keep them alive in prisons that, while not luxurious in any way, are still a far cry better than what some of the inmates deserve?

[@datgurl12121]

Even from that perspective it doesn’t make sense. Contrary to popular belief, death penalty costs a ton of money (like more then keeping them locked up forever), the trials take longer and are more risky when it come to actually get a conviction since jurors are less likely to hand over a death penalty, the drugs used in the process are also extremely expensive and hard to find. The amount of money spent on housing and feeding non violent offenders could go and house the actually dangerous 1000x over.

[@santini1953]

@@datgurl12121 you don't believe in an after life? So you wouldn't mind giving-up the one you have?

[@datgurl12121]

@@santini1953 obviously I would, which is why I don't want to spend my single life in a prison. But if I'm dead Im not around to care.

[@somecsguy9824]

@@santini1953 Wow what a fantastically *impossible* leap of logic you just made there. That beats the old "if you don't believe in god how do you know right from wrong" that I get so often from christians about my atheism. Mind explaining how you got from "I don't believe in an afterlife" to "I may as well die"? I'm genuinely curious.

[@angelascharmedlife]

Maybe lame to comment on, but I was raised in rural Ohio. Squirrels are good practice because they are small and fast. Real hunters will always eat these because it's the point to use what you kill. Furthermore, they skin easy like a rabbit and you can kebab them easy over bbq or fire. Just something woods people do.

[@katherinemckinney5858]

Me and my husband love your podcasts. Also, that's a badass shirt. Where did you get it?

[@BadMagicProductions]

Was sent in by a listener

[@CycoSven69]

The two different kinds if shoeprints and different shoeprints knots might suggest that there were two people involved.

[@lizertle3888]

I am glad I wasn't alone with 2019 being one of the shittiest years EVER! I'm sorry for what you all had to go through. We had to deal with meth heads destroying a house of ours and running up a $1300 water bill that the home owner is held responsible for even though it wasn't their account. Then there was the nightmare of trying to fix the house and ending up with a shister contractor that wouldn't send an invoice and wouldn't finish the job because I wouldn't pay him without one. My dad also was battling colon cancer and was told just before Thanksgiving it was clear, then on black Friday I got a text from mom that they found liver and lung cancer. We spent Christmas up in hospice with him just outside of Chicago. Thankfully he passed on New years eve and he was no longer in pain. A horrible end to a horrible year. Hopefully 2020 is better for all of us. We are laying dad to rest on the big island of Hawaii in March. The day before we fly out Dan will be in Nashville. I am hoping to arrange to fly out of Nashville so I can catch the show because it is the closest to Evansville, IN he is coming. It is amazing what a fantastic community has developed because of this podcast. Everyone keep on sucking.

[@mayrin7727]

And now dealing with COVI19 our new way of life now you need a mask to go into a bank, it might be easier for robbers to rob us now...😭

[@gaylehudson7267]

In hindsight, doesn't 2019 seem like paradise when compared to 2020 and 2021?

[@karmamoon6374]

I read that the vasectomy didn’t take. They checked out the vasectomy during his autopsy.

[@alyngrace123]

No, with Vasectomy a man did not eyaculate and they found semen.

[@billywilton-jordan7981]

Did anyone besides me pick up on That the guy whom Mrs. Dee Boyd saw walk into her cafe wasn't William Stevens, but who was most likely Rev. Gerald Manly, who claimed to have gone to a cafe after the events which he claimed to have happened.

[@k20z3keith7]

Dan, any word on a new one hour special sometime soon? We need one bad haha

[@thewasatch208]

Oh Danny ol boy, what have you brought us now?

[@berryrhubarb]

I’m here from STD pod so hello my dude

[@sethstine4698]

None of these comments are about what happened. Wtf is wrong with yall. Those "low guttural animal noises" were the sounds of those girls dying :/

[@wangathin]

no that was the killer, the strange noises he makes comes up in a separate rape that he committed.

[@DavidRice541]

My Master Sucker serious question what's Bojangles favorite girl scout cookie?! Can't wait to listen to the amazing suck I no doubtebly expect this to be

[@fishrenfroeboyd7954]

From what I’ve noticed down here in the ding dang dong south Mississippi is Squirrel hunting is mostly an Old man and his pet dogs game. I’ve seen older hunters in there 60s 70s walking around in the woods with their old pet dogs and popping squirrels out of the trees with a .22 and letting their dog chase it down for fun. There isn’t much intention to eat the squirrels, it’s just something old men and their pet dogs do for fun?

[@fishrenfroeboyd7954]

You don’t typically see younger people doing it, they usually go for Deer.

[@jtwright4095]

😂☠

[@viper1318]

Eh some may but most hunters will eat what they kill. And with the age it just depends on the person. Me and a buddy I used to live would go squirrel hunting pretty much every weekend. We were always walking through the woods near the house anyway and it saved money on groceries lol.

[@paulfrewzy7374]

Squirrel§ are So cute n harmless What Monster's I know few folk who'd Love to meet them types in Scotland and Ireland WhatWeeSeekSeeksUs Scumbags..

[@christianleedom2864]

It’s funny how the only time my hometown is mentioned is when Big Mac is mentioned (Oklahoma St. Pen.)

[@chrysshart]

I just have to say it makes me do a double-take every time you say "Gene Hart" because that's my husband's name! He wasn't born until the mid-eighties, though, so he's definitely not that guy.

[@roachezmo]

A likely story.

[@boebender]

Btw my family hunt squirrels-Rock Bluff, FL. It’s very good stewed over rice. My grandma used red pepper I remember as seasoning. Just trust me it’s an old Southern thing. Lol

[@killermiller1980]

Noooo, YOU say when

[@Scott_G]

1:35:05 Funniest Timesuck moment yet.

[@tman040496tb]

2020s are most certainly not roaring

[@circedelune]

I wish people would stop making excuses for these camp counselors. At the very least their negligence allowed these girls to be raped and murdered. Personally, I believed at the time, and still do, that at least some of these counselors know more than they are telling, and were possibly involved. I am by no means in the minority of people living in the area. Most people I know believe the same.

[@ryanjacobson2508]

Aren't there also rumors that there was some sort of lesbian relationship going on between counselors which distracted them from doing their job, at a minimum? Note also that the prosecutor did bring up the subject at the trial in order to dispel the rumors...

[@jaktharipper2768]

I'm sorry Dan , but you're wrong . New decade starts 2021. When you count sets of ten , the new count starts at 1 not at zero . 20 is the last year in that set of ten . 21 is the first year of the new set of ten

[@cringeworld1824]

Well maybe rethink that hunting expo

[@mikey2time484]

The thought around the matter is, no matter what crime is commited it isnt up to us to judge and take anothers life. Thay person will answer to God when they die on his time. Granted im all.for the woodchipper for crimes against children so

[@quantumleaper8396]

Ill never forge this, i was a Girlscout then and we camped in Henryetta ok,

[@gabrieladerre2862]

28:15. I'd love to join you on that hunting trip that we both have enough respect for the law, to not take. Although, it makes it even worse that people decide to go out to public places, full of innocents, to go postal, when they could just go to places such as the transitional living holes, that you brought up. It'd still be arguably wrong! But, I hate predators! So, I wouldn't lose sleep.

[@saraicruz38]

You’re Super disrespectful and not funny taking this cold cases and trying to have a “good time” out of them

[@mikey2time484]

Don't watch

[@tabathalancaster-caine861]

Worse cover of this horrific crime. Ever.

[@김정운-k7n]

What kind of monster would deprive the world of those delicious peanut butter cookies covered in chocolate?

[@maestro7058]

Girl scouts is cute and fun, now ofc women can never be green berets or likewise ranking soldiers/commanders and every rational person understands it even if this person is scared to say it, well I am not.

[@mikey2time484]

Right if you cant carry your soldiers over the finish line in training you shouldn't have women as seals, berets, rangers... so far it's just seals.now that won'tallow women. our army is a joke

[@maestro7058]

@@mikey2time484 Yeah man it's insane. Shawn Ryan is doing God's work on this part too!

[@tchenzhen8187]

Hail Nimrod!

[@thebluehotel426]

Such feeling - not!

[@ZechsMerquise73]

That letter about "they were all picked on" seems very cliche. From my experience, being picked on probably means you're more likely to be a conservative, not a killer. Whenever someone brings up dealing with social situations, they're always the ones who stand up and say "yeah, I was bullied, so I think we should just bend over and take whatever life throws our way." Being a conservative isn't a bad thing, but this particular kind always wants to talk about how thick-skinned they are, where their social repression has likely sent them into the state of tunnel vision they reflect in their world views (IE, "I was bullied and have thick skin, murderers maybe bullied maybe not as thick skin."). Meanwhile, practically all of these guys were men on the fringes of sexuality, whether that was because of personal or public acceptance issues. Sex is almost always directly linked to these types of murders, and not "learning to take it like a man." If anything, the pattern the writer is seeing is one of bullying converging with sexuality. In the extreme case of high-profile murderers, bullying in their life (and not all of them were bullied) often reflects social flaws that are already there. The point is, most of these well-known killers are sexually and mentally deviant, and when society and psychology doesn't know how to effectively identify, treat, or control them, they go down a path that leads to violent crime.

[@sammott8557]

Being opposed to the death penalty even for such a heinous act could be religiously motived, or it was for me when years age I falsely believed that the longer a person (even a heinous person) stayed alive, the longer their chance to accept jesus, and thus, become "saved." 39:50 Today, though, I make decisions based on fact and reason and not on dogma, thus I couldn't agree with you more (#Dan Cummins) in that it makes no sense to keep such a perpetrator alive.

[@keystonepirate2534]

Grew up in locust area.

[@paulfrewzy7374]

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[@colbybeyerlein9171]

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[@LizzzzzLemon]

No photos???!!? Ugh. Boring.

[@sammott8557]

1:35:20 (lol)

[@buoykle298]

Wait, this isn't pornhub...

[@thekommisarfirstsecretary]

Weird channel. Dude likes to make it about himself.

[@gdtovar]

I tried. This ya hoo is annoying!

[@littlebitlost]

I made it 7 minutes. Shoulda quit sooner.