Badminton Women's Doubles - Korea v China | London 2012 Olympics

[@maddie-ch1vz]

It's hard to win a game but it's even harder to lose

[@TheTradge]

Especially if both pairs are trying to lose 😂

[@shruti7908]

@@TheTradge 🤣🤣exactly

[@Itsozeex]

Hahahahaa

[@luckyu521]

Is that Confucius or Sun Yat Sen

[@MajoradeMayhem]

Context: if the Chinese team win this match, they are going to be pitted against the OTHER Chinese team, which would ruin China's plans to get the gold and the silver. The Koreans also want to lose this match for a similar reason, to avoid the other Chinese pair who have already been placed, as they are the toughest competition. It was pretty stupid for the tournament organisers to create the situation.

[@uehavshie_podcast]

Thank you for explanation. From the first minutes I was confused what am I watching.

[@nurhusni]

And this also happened in the Indonesian vs SK match in the other group for similar reasons.

[@apizcyril9479]

@@nurhusni we dont want to know about that

[@mierapark9432]

@@apizcyril9479 dia bagu tahu kau ke LOL

[@TheTradge]

What I don’t understand is why they don’t limit how many entrants each country is allowed, this year between China, Japan, Korea and Taipei, there were 42 entrants, I know badminton is fairly strong over there, but surely it makes more sense to have a better balance of players, rather than having around a quarter of them from the same countries. It means, given how strong China and Korea are, they’re pretty much always guaranteed medals. Other sports limit the number of entrants from any given country, why isn’t badminton??

[@cherub3943]

I was 14 back then and thought I will be at the Olympics soon after tuning into this game

[@Galimah]

this is one of the most "famous" matches in badmington history

[@khirulaminur]

*infamous

[@szerch1726]

"ridiculous"

[@yzoons_1]

🤣🤣🤣

[@yesilovekimdoyeon9440]

disgraceful*

[@door_____5034]

Badmington 🤣🤣

[@natedoggcata]

Its so hilarious listening to the crowd getting madder and madder as the match goes on

[@spydersoup8447]

Not to mention later on, you can actually hear the audience booing at the athletes.

[@billygowhoop]

I love when one of the players hits the shuttlecock into the net and afterwards when hitting it back to the opponent, they're able to land the thing in the players hand.

[@mawipurba6334]

China started this, because in the other groups their teammates suprisingly lost to denmark and ended as runner up. They trying hard to lose in this game to avoid their teamates in semifinal. Korean knew it and did the same thing. Meanwhile, in the other group, Indonesia and Korea didn't want to face this China pair (1st seeded) also play to lose. They all disqualified.

[@alieymw]

So, they want gold and silver for the same country?

[@jijelie0235]

@@alieymw yes

[@argak.perdana3562]

@@alieymw yes for China it is. Wang and Yu vs Tian and Zhao at the Final

[@mryfw]

Because of this, a russian pair win bronze...

[@ghfr7895]

18:30 i love the way Kim Moon-soo (Korean Coach) claps toward the Chinese players

[@tkwong8466]

And Yu Yang respond him with a smile

[@yjkuan]

12:38 Coach to the umpire was like: "Dude you gotta do something, those guys are trying to lose."

[@DanielJohnsen333]

The South Korean coach had the balls to tell the chair Umpire that he believes the China's team was throwing the match 😂

[@Glaukon123]

The game starts at 8:35.

[@DeanJamesSmith]

And referee threatens DQ at 16:10

[@helmi_muza]

Thanks

[@infoforu3455]

thanx

[@no_name8363]

The game ended when any pairs reach 21 point. 😁😁

[@Ludwig_Von_Schwarzenegger]

Scuse me... the game starts you said ??

[@CS3____420]

Whoa, I've never seen such badminton skill in my life. This has to be the greatest match ever!

[@muhammadfazlika6726]

WHAT A MATCH, the greatest match in badminton history

[@anthonylui]

Sad to watch. They'll need to change the rules so that losing doesn't have advantages.

[@nGUNNARp]

this is the greatest olympic moment in history for me, i love it

[@nicky5043]

Lol, they don't even care to fake one or two rallies smh. Best game ever

[@nGUNNARp]

problem was they BOTH wanted to lose, if one team wanted to lose it would be easy to fake it, but when both want to if you have 1 good hit then you end up winning haha

[@dt9961]

They forget to fake scream when they got a point

[@egemix894]

this is called prisoner's dilemma. You wouldn't know if you try to fake one, your opponent would try one more with you or just let you win...... so you would rather lose first haha

[@ira6284]

why do they not want to win?

[@your_neko]

@@ira6284 Both teams already advanced to quarterfinals. The winner of this match lands in harder half of the tournament bracket, and their best hope is bronze medal. On other hand, losing team gets easier bracket, and has a hope to get a silver medal.

[@zosfuj4548]

Wow i can make the Olympics as well then . I am so happy

[@muhammadafhdaluddinbinesma2834]

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[@akashdivekar152]

What I love about this is the Chinese team didn't even try to hide the fact that they are trying to loose the game 😂😂

[@deepergreenerpastures2264]

After the crowd booeing, they intensified the loosing process.😂

[@NM-ir6wd]

lose*

[@NM-ir6wd]

@@deepergreenerpastures2264 *losing

[@williamroberts7797]

What always astounded me about this was that they carried on doing it even after being threatened with disqualification. Surely at that point the risk far outweighs the reward and you start playing? Can only assume they were under very strict orders from the coaches.

[@yjkuan]

That's because they didn't know they would really get disqualified, as this has never happened, nobody has been disqualified before in badminton for trying to lose. Well the organizers proved them wrong.

[@joesr31]

If they knew they would get 100% if they continue, I'm sure they would change strategy, but I think part of them continuing to do that is because they were unsure if they would actually get disqualified

[@Dee_Just_Dee]

@@yjkuan I love it when people "@#$% around and find out".

[@user-rb9nq7rm5n]

Such an exciting game

[@briannam1082]

1 1 so much action.

[@toutah_151]

😂😂😂

[@Tri-StarTN]

Honestly, I’d rather watch both teams trying to lose than win. More exciting

[@tkwong8589]

16:30 the tournament referee told them that if keep playing like this way, they might disqualified them from playing in the next round, if both of them can understand English, I think they can make the difference

[@KadhaiPaneer99]

If this is a level of Olympics so I can also participate 😂😂😂

[@mardicipto5219]

Hahaaha

[@whoami1382]

Lol

[@tanujsaini3993]

@Badminton Game Only Google about the scandal you will get the answer why they lost purposefully.

[@kassandra2663]

I wished the videos and audio were the same so I could enjoy the boos and laugh properly during the whole game

[@ludyren2260]

To give some context, during this years game, the 2nd highest ranked women doubles team had an upset loss. Unfortunately the matchmaking was setup so that whoever ended up winning this match would then have to play against the world No.2 team. Both the Chinese and Korean coaches realized that they would have a better change of making Olympic silver or gold by purposefully losing this game so that they told their players to purposefully throw the game leading to this demonstration of the pinnacle of badminton skills. After this year, the badminton matchmaking rules were changed so that losing a match would never give teams advantages again.

[@sirflimflam]

It's so funny how when they're not being judged, like when they're passing it between rounds, you can see how much control they have over the birdie easily hitting it exactly where it needs to go even with a little flourish. Then the moment it matters they suddenly forget how to play. It amazes me one side didn't just start winning when they realized the other side was doing the same thing.

[@ludyren2260]

It's cuz both teams were trying to purposefully loose. This was because that year the World No.2 badminton team had an upset loss. This meant that whoever won their round robin final match (this match) would end up having to play the world no. 2 team and most likely end up being eliminated. Therefore both teams coaches told them to lose because they would have greater chances of placing olympic silver by playing other teams. After this game, they changed the matchmaking rules so that in later international and olympic games so that losing would never give teams advantages again.

[@sirflimflam]

@@ludyren2260 Well yeah I knew why they were both trying to lose, what I was originally saying was it's weird one of them didn't just give up the obvious charade and take the win, when both were threatened with disqualification. At that point, it's either compete against a hard team or don't compete at all and look like scumbags in the process.

[@alirazzaq1541]

Watching it after 10 years of being played because of my Design Mechanism class. What a case study it is.

[@alessandronerla2504]

Same here lol

[@muditkhanna8164]

Let me guess ,Tim Roughgarden?

[@ErtanZhuang]

Same@@muditkhanna8164

[@joesr31]

Tbh I blame the organisers for that, they can't reward losing and expect players not try and lose on purpose. These match ups are a critical part of strategic play in sports, it can be seen in soccer as well where "lousier" players are placed into matches where it is alright to lose.

[@SaiPrajeethC]

Thumbs Up if Mr Roughgarden's epic lecture got you here.

[@Jivvi]

Sai Prajeeth Nope. Radiolab.

[@NinadBelokar]

lolz yes

[@spicyornot1787]

nope :(

[@ReMiimush]

Yes

[@theartemisx9]

the audio is no synced with the video footage and is sooooo annoying

[@amartyabiswas6867]

This match made me realise the potential of an Olympian within me 😂

[@gc0619]

it's like they're not even playing to win oh wait

[@lephrog4612]

HAHAHAHAHHAAA!!! Good one!!!

[@pattrapam]

so funny! I couldn't believe it. One party tried to serve too wide and the other was too helpful and helped return that too wide serve. A very generous game, indeed!

[@rajkpawar7631]

It's like competition of loosing points.... Great game ever seen.

[@sugionooppo4664]

They're deserve the academy award for best act of the year 😄

[@Derael]

The thing is, they didn't want to act. They were blatantly obvious because they hated doing it, but it was the only best strategy, since tournament organisers made a dumb system. They came there to win, but in order to win the Olympics they were forced to try and lose that particular match.

[@bigstronkbee]

@@Derael idk man, seems like that's the joke.

[@cottagechskitty]

"We are here to just stand here". It takes to 8-3 before the commentator says that things are "sloppy". You don't say

[@malcomxiu6286]

You can’t really blame these two teams. Both were specifically ordered by their coaches to play as they did, which is evident, given the coaches’ false coaching tips during intervals. However, this it the olympics, and EVERYTHING happens for a reason. So, why did the coaches want their teams to lose. Honestly, I don’t know about Korea, but if the Chinese team had won, they would be forced to compete against the other Chinese pair way too soon, which would result in one of the Chinese teams eliminated way too quickly. Obviously the coaches didn’t want that, so if the players lose this round, they won’t have to play against their ‘teammates’ until the finals, so that China could win both a gold and a silver. I respect these coaches for their shrewd way of thinking about the national team, and the players for understanding and listening to their coaches orders. The only problem...well, you watched the video, you know what it is.

[@yjkuan]

Korea didn't really want to win either because if they had won, they would face the other chinese pair which was stronger. So if they win, they face a stronger opponent next round, if they lose, they face a weaker opponent next round. Which way would you choose?

[@jrdelrey3009]

yjkuan i mean wang and yu were definitely the strongest pair in the world they had barely lost any matches before this one

[@stefanorussel3106]

How they acted like regretting their own errors just amazing.. as if people don't know they did those on purpose..

[@catandfishfc]

I was 14 during this Olympics! So were the players it seems.

[@pattianugrah]

Ini baru dinamakan badminton gajah. Pemain china jago banget aktingnya sok sok kecewa ketika lawan dapat point😅😅

[@zaihanhatta2372]

Because they don't want to meet same pair from china in qualifications round

[@finiwidiilahi9570]

Iya banget lagi, dimana china tuh ada sejarahnya pengen kalah.. Ambisius nya sangat sangat.. Haha

[@rka414]

The one who blamed is bwf, they made a regulation that give you disadvantages if you win all the games

[@kail9777]

Yes, yes yes and yes! I totally agree.

[@bura836]

BWF is wrong in regulate this but to blame it, you have to blame who has no sportsmanship.

[@universe93]

i remember when this was happening, many of my friends from asian countries said that apparently in some asian tournaments, match fixing like this is rife. doesn't make it right or fair and they obviously know they can't do it in the olympics but it's apparently common.

[@safering2023]

Radio Lab!!!!

[@breazy1648]

SafeRing lol me too!

[@CRodenbarger]

Of course!

[@lockergr]

Same!

[@timhemendinger3735]

Yep.

[@kieranb4224]

Snap

[@fanpackers4]

It is one thing to not try your hardest to win. That is frowned upon but it is still acceptable. This is purposefully trying to lose. To use football as an analogy, not trying hardest to win would be playing your bench and not running at full speed. Trying to purposefully lose is to try and score own goals. In badminton, purposefully serving into the net is the latter, not the former.

[@busTedOaS]

You don't understand what is happening. Both teams were playing the way that gave them best chances to advance deeper into the tournament. They were trying to win the war, not the fight. "Just not trying" would not have been enough. You have to actively try and lose in this situation. Don't hate the players, hate the game (in this case, the group format). By the way, in EVERY format, teams might give 80% on one day so they can give 100% on the next. To say it with Sun Tzu "He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight."

[@taniwhab3860]

Trying to lose on purpose is cheating. Simple. I wouldn't expect much more from china, I am sorry to say:(

[@jingkangzhang1092]

11:50 The ref: I don't think i can take this anymore

[@mon_playztv9177]

Radiolab brought me here. It shuda been 3 years ago but I had to replay the episode before I come here.

[@BoStanfordify]

Came for Radiolab, and this is way more infuriating than I thought it would be.

[@りんこ-r7j]

こんな試合でも応援してくれる観客が優しすぎる… 😟

[@yanxizisha1]

Eight players, four Koreans, two Chinese, two Indonesians are disqualified, it sure violated Olympic spirits and they deserved the punishments, but I read some reports and comments brought it up to against the whole country. WTH...

[@JakobTennisMB]

Well you can bet no western country would do this. We're better than that.

[@DaveM-js4mw]

@@JakobTennisMB Of course they would...... happens all the time....

[@zzy341]

@@JakobTennisMB Hahaha if western countries does this then it’s the system fault. But Asian does this it’s the players fault..

[@zzy341]

I still don’t get it. Say you see your opponent throwing the match away but continue to play seriously. Nobody would be able to tell that they are throwing the match because they can say that they are injured/tired and etc. In the end they still get the better draw and you putting 100% and win the match will be the idiot. How would it be fair?

[@SeleezSE]

Audio is not in sync with the video

[@DaCoolDawgs]

I was curious if they just cheated slyly, but it's so blatantly obvious! :D

[@yanxizisha1]

they are not good actress lol. Its understandable that they dont wanna against their own country in the final but too sad to see both of them pick out this stupid strategy.

[@TPerm-hj4sf]

A. Haneda can not you if one team starts doing it, or even one team suspect the other team is trying to lose, the other team will have no choice but to do it too. This is called game theory.

[@tantiwahopak101]

Left anti pc do u understand what game theory is?

[@chessdude1977]

The game is caped at 29 all and rally point which means that if you take the lead the other team can make it so you win

[@guntodd]

Eventually Both teams along with 2 more teams got disqualified from further competition in London 2012. Ultimate punishment.

[@munyakstadiumakhir]

This is a dark history of badminton, especially for Indonesian players (Greysia Polii & Meiliana Jauhari) where they are also disqualification (along with 2 Korean Pairs & 1 Chinese Pairs) due to match fixing. But now, 2020 Tokyo Olympic Games, she (Greysia) finally got a gold medal with his new young partner (Apriyani Rahayu) againts Chinese Pairs (Chen Qing Chen & Jia Yi Fan). Girls, you've made up for it. Congratulation....

[@bitsabhi]

The fault is in the tournament if the losing team gets to play a weaker team. It's super annoying but they were playing to win the medal (losing to win)

[@JJ-ds5fs]

After the 2012 Olympics they changed the format, from Wikipedia: "To prevent any repeat of these events, the competition format for the next Olympics was changed: all pairs finishing second in their groups would be placed into another draw to determine who they faced in the quarterfinals, while the top pair in each group would have a fixed position matched to its designated seed in the knockout phase."

[@IrmaMarwiyah-h3q]

18:30 i like how korean coach clapping to Wang/Yu hahah

[@ericking1530]

Was SOOO BORING TO WATCH, Is this even Olympic Spirit?

[@AbRWillSuper]

Best game EVER!!!

[@Miqilin7]

Best match of the tournament ! Epic!

[@genturadiutama9527]

This is just soo embarrassing... Although sadly Korean pairs and an Indonesian pair were also involved in this 'soap opera', we could say that the main actor behind all this scandal is Chinese pair and their coaches. They just don't want to meet Tian/Zhao earlier in the knockout rounds. So shame on you, China!

[@bayur4688]

Gentur Adiutama they end up with disqualification. They deserved that.

[@kimnorberg9783]

The main actor behind all this scandal is Chinese pair?? Shame on all teams including Chinese, Korean and Indonesian, also shame on you.

[@ziqizhou5770]

This is racist. The cause is the unfair Olympic rules. Don't talk until you've learned math

[@indonezziamerdeka]

@@ziqizhou5770 it is clearly not racist, it is fact..the chinese strategy to lose the match to avoid fellow chinese pairs early

[@advocatekuldeep8495]

A day when I could have beaten them even playing SINGLE 😂❤️

[@billygowhoop]

There's something fascinating about watching a rigged contest.

[@mrezafahlepidaulay4986]

It's real 'badminton' It's not 'goodminton'

[@RaviRajShow]

Plot Twist: polite hitting to avoid injury to Shuttlecork😎

[@JMUDoc]

Wow... you can hear Gill's voice breaking at 18:57...

[@RobertHartleyGM]

Match actually begins: 8:40

[@taufana.k5103]

why this video and audio not sync?

[@nellywijaya2305]

where is discualify video between ina vs korea? i realy want to see that.. LOL

[@zosfuj4548]

Just imagine the Chinese wearing Indonesians uniforms and you have the game :P

[@uncle-bacon]

The audio is 8 secs behind

[@fiqrifirmansyah3811]

Kesini gara2 tiktok. Nitip sendal kalo rame

[@royb2st640]

Why the video sounds is so late.?

[@ccwnoob4393]

9:19 that look ... "Oh $hit! We're winning coach! What should I do?"

[@bayuwijaya222]

i think london 2012 is most modern & stunning olympic in decoration, layout, visualization too, even tokyo 2020 olympics is not stunning & modern like this

[@ghfr7895]

couldnt agree more!

[@account-kc1gz]

Mostly yes, but for gymnastics venue i prefer tokyo2020

[@Person01234]

Who are radiolab and why did they send everyone here 2 months ago

[@GunturPrasetyoPRASTguntur]

Match paling kontroversial sepanjang Olympic

[@prankysoni1403]

" Did anyone notice They Did'nt even changed the shuttle " 😂

[@freesoul2724]

This was a game of "Lose to win" Both team trying to lose to play against weaker team in next round..Round Robin's Theory

[@tristan6599]

First This Has Been Controversy Match In Olympics London 2012 Second BWF Removed Indonesian Team From All England Tournament In Birmingham

[@moyusweety9447]

I was sad to watch these :( they are great players. I love watching this sports because of badminton sprirts. i think it is true that victory is not always to be everything

[@AlmostFamous173]

You're absolutely right, they didn't break *sporting* rules. They broke the most serious unspoken rule of them all, in the eyes of the IOC--that a whole bunch of those seats were given to their big sponsors, and those sponsors got ripped off by the athletes throwing the match. They broke the Olympic money rule.

[@williampitt1537]

It's actually and official rule in the Olympics that the players must amke efforts to win the game.

[@davidng8732]

@@williampitt1537 thanks for that info

[@fatsomamacheese]

The announcers are just the best... "Well, I have to say, things look a little bit sloppy at the moment" Lololol

[@scottw9318]

I can barely hear the woman. It's like the exact opposite of the US announcers who talk over each other and the actual event...this lady sounds like "mmr mrr....long pause...mrr mrr mrrr". I have no idea what words she's even saying.

[@jamesmitchell8922]

i saw a non-commentary version on the BBC 11 years ago. The crowd ohhs and boos loudest.

[@centurylight7820]

There is not much to dislike this video but the match they play.

[@ranggaoei]

They kept them face straight.. and the way them coaches talk to them.. how they didnt laughing at all when they did that.. i must be pissed on my pants to holding that situation.🤣🤣

[@zaihanhatta2372]

It's strategic move. If they could play more realistic they could just get away with it and i believe they will win the gold medal

[@AaronVolz]

There is a great Radiolab podcast about this game called “Lose Lose”. It’s a great episode definitely worth listening to. Both teams are trying to lose this game in order to better their chances at getting the gold medal. It’s a great ethical question. If your strategy involves intentionally losing, with the ultimate goal of winning the tournament itself, is that a bad thing?

[@Patrone68]

the thumbs down isn't your video. Gamesmanship is not a necessary fundamental of the Olympics. Champions don't use these tactics, they take on the strongest challengers AND win because they are the best of the best(with honors, Sir!). Do they have footage of men doing this? Just asking.

[@augustushananvillaramaramo1213]

Any video Korea vs Indonesia?

[@thomasalmond3311]

Same here, I was having a look for it yesterday.

[@julianocamargo6674]

This is what the Olympics have become a long time ago - a stage for countries to win medals and so sportsmanship does not matter.

[@karamdabagh]

skip to 19:00 for when he shows them the black card

[@adamcyw8841]

I blame the system, not the players.

[@marukoamv2424]

I'm a little bit confused. Why both of them are purposely losing? Is it because they both are already guaranteed go through to the next stage? Or so the losing team can face an easier opponent?

[@tkwong5965]

because according to the draw, the winner of this group will meet another chinese pair in semi final, this chinese pair is trying to lose this game so they won't mee their teammate in semi final, and then they can secure gold and silver medals for their country

[@moriahlovesrockout]

Can't believe china tried so hard to loose just so that they don't have to play the other china team in the next round, they could've sucked of just sucked it up and played the other team. SMH

[@chenxiongxiong6778]

Well. They want gold and silver. And other teams are stupid enough to follow suit by trying to lose. All teams and the system are to blame.

[@albertmarek740]

The koreans tried to play normal games,after 2 serves they realised the chinese were actually trying to throw the game away lol

[@shumacwilder]

15:00 How to play "bad" in Badminton.

[@miajume6089]

i am here to watch how they have choose to loose that amaze me, hope a lot of fun

[@MsOHsvideos]

Why was the crowd booing so much?

[@simonforsell99]

31:06 Poor Danish players, imagine walking out to that having no idea why

[@guillaumelecam9412]

so good match i've never seen so much precision to pass up to the net!

[@Shaqtapus]

This korean team was not very good at trying to lose. If you are going to risk disqualification by trying to lose the match you need to commit. The Chinese team was obviously willing to do more to lose so I don't know why korea continued even after being warned.

[@agustianagus45]

Shaqtapus Hello??? Firstly Korean team didn't know for Chinese team unfair play. So when Korean team knew that, they were so emotional and angry about that so they did the same. But, however after that Korean team just do the fair play with angry emotional. Korean team were just the victim here!!!!!

[@muditkhanna8164]

Those who can't understand, they both deliberatily tried to lose, just because the winning team has to face a fierce team.

[@TOANhound]

Thank you Radiolab!