SFV: V-Skill 2 - Juri

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O H Y E A H

[@Aggrofool]

GOTO HELYTH

[@kevingriffith6011]

Worth noting that unlike light Fuharenkyaku, it's not a true block string with Medium or Heavy Fuha. It traps 3 frame buttons, but invincible reversals will stuff it.

[@xOceanx99]

Kevin Griffith This is so important. Already, I’ve caught so many people who thought they could jab option select their way out of Juri’s fuha strings.

[@kevingriffith6011]

It also has *really* strange properties as an anti-air, since it leans her hitbox forward and down quite a bit, a lot of frontal jump-in attacks will cross over it (causing them to whiff if the button has no cross-up properties), and hitting them behind you. The knockback will actually push them *into* you from the V-skill, leading to some interesting juggle opportunities. (For example: Light stock -> EX Fuha, H-Fuha -> EX fuha, or my personal favorite, L.DP into CA)... I only tested this on Ken's J-MK and J-HK, so I'm certain there are a lot of characters with long air normals that this doesn't work on (Poison and Birdie come to mind),

[@monadoboy8009]

Juri players just can't seem to get a break

[@ripamoramee14]

We really can't, but I'll keep trudging on through the fuckin mud Juri#1

[@Livingeidolon]

With all the setting up that juri has to do in this game, they could at least buff her damage, or make her do hella stun. Something to reward skillful play, ya know? Hell, if her combos looked as flashy as they did back in iv, that'd at least be something.

[@mr.nobody671]

Oh please.

[@kevingriffith6011]

She doesn't need *that* much, imo. More routes into stock that aren't "jab jab stock" or "target combo stock DP" would help a lot. Maybe make it so where you can cancel light flip kick into stock on hit so that move actually has a purpose as a combo ender that lets you build resources.

[@jordanpiggott11]

Tbh Juri is already good enough the only thing she would really benefit from is starting with her fuha stocks

[@dingusdangus1790]

Or you know, just make her play like she did when she was in SFIV, why fix what isn't broken?

[@Livingeidolon]

@@dingusdangus1790 that's the gold standard

[@invincibleloonie]

It’s basically a stand in for the old fuhas, so being able to combo into and out of it is nice. That being said, a cancel from specials into charge would be ideal. Nice option to have for non-fireballs at least.

[@internetmovieguy]

Thanks for these videos. It really helps me keep up with the game. I don’t have a lot of free time to play and test these things.

[@kevingriffith6011]

I'm with you there on V-Skill 1, if you can somehow get a fully charged one then it basically gives you the ability to punish back jumps or whiffs from anywhere on the screen: Particularly against characters who have moves that are very minus but put them far away on block like Blanka ball. I kinda wish it was safe on block when fully charged though, it's not like you could spam it out and it would be able to make medium and heavy fuha safe like VS2 can.

[@Kreusnik]

Mr. Bison aka Dictator say hi to his new brand vskill2 +2 on block with no charge. Ty Capcom...

[@kevingriffith6011]

@@Kreusnik Bison's VS2 is super easy to react to. I've punished it more than I've been hit with it and I'm only Silver league. Even if he uses his EX-Fireball to make it ambiguous you can just jump over the fireball and punish him when the knee whiffs.

[@firehunterz2311]

Her damage so little though..

[@fissilewhistle]

This would be a fine V-Skill if you didn’t have to charge it.

[@JasonYJS_xoxo]

U don't hv to charge it. Activate it once then use it

[@kazutomotakayoshtosh]

@@JasonYJS_xoxo yeah, that’s what they meant

[@JasonYJS_xoxo]

@@kazutomotakayoshtosh I was lost, but it's fine now

[@apa123APA]

It suffers from the issue LK fireball did pre-AE sadly: if people backrise after you try to throw it out midscreen off HK fuha, they're out of range and don't have to deal with it at all. Much like her VT1 fireballs, the damage output is extremely limited due to it forcing a juggle on hit, so much any mixups you might do with it will result in very humble damage. And then we of course have the usual issue of having to forfeit momentum to reuse it. One weird thing also is that if Juri is hit while the vskill fireball is out, the vskill fireball ceases to exist altogether. I was primarily hoping that this would work so that she can meaty with it and recover in time herself to block any wakeup reversals. You kind of need to use HK fuha to do that though, as I tried after usual corner combo enders like MP DP and Ryo, and she gets hit by slower DPs even. Worries me that people can reaction reversal it if you try to meaty with it, since the startup is pretty telegraphed and now it shows people in the corner when you have it stored. As a neutral tool I think it's completely worthless. LK fireball exists. It's faster to store, faster to come out, lasts longer, better in every way. Why would I use a slower worse thing? I still dig it since it lets you build meter, tacks a bit of extra damage, and VS1 felt fairly useless in a lot of matchups. It's an option at least. And it's fun to lab setups. You can combo into forward jump TC in the corner and get some weird interactions on which side Juri lands on, or crossup with DP on their wakeup with some setups.

[@Majkels]

dint she arleady have a slow moving projectile :|

[@kevingriffith6011]

This V-Skill serves a lot of the same functions as Light Fuha, but light Fuha is basically her best move and being able to have two stocked up at a time is pretty nice.

[@Giraffinator]

hey, happy Juri v-skill 2 video anniversary

[@Monty2289]

Juri's biggest issue is just being a character that has to install every single useful skill she has. Either one of two things needed to happen to her CE. Either buff the usefulness of all her special moves or just get rid of the damn charge. Then we can live with the charge for V-Skill. That way she can go into Fuha attacks to charge VS1 or 2 any time she wants if she wants to sack Oki

[@kevingriffith6011]

Honestly just more ways to combo into stock would be enough, IMO. Right now we really only have "jab jab stock" or "target combo stock DP" or "anti-air normal stock". This leads to a lot of "run away and build stocks" play that really hurts the character in the long run.

[@MrInternethatemachin]

It also combos from the second hit of back heavy kick, which can work has a wacky thing to throw out in neutral but probably doesn't have a lot of real utility.

[@Raging_Asura]

The thing that irks me about this V-Skill is that it doesn't benefit from V-Trigger 1

[@Kreusnik]

Why does it need to be charge? FML Capcom FML!!111

[@user-tx2mu3cr2o]

It's really good at AAing crossups for some reason. and gives you overhead combos in the corner if you space it

[@JasonYJS_xoxo]

Can anyone fill me up here? Why is there a separate bar next to her V gauge?

[@Bafael]

That's a mechanic unique to Juri. Basically she has 3 separate versions of a special move she can "charge" and "release." She'd have an infinite if she could just do them freely so all three of them have to be recharged whenever you use them. They also make her combos somewhat complex and quite powerful, but the need to sacrifice time/pressure to store them hurts her ability to play neutral.

[@JasonYJS_xoxo]

@@Bafael So, it means that if all the 3 moves are used, she can still recharge them, right? Forgive me because I don't own the game

[@Bafael]

@@JasonYJS_xoxo Yeah, she can use them one by one, in any pairing, or all 3 at once, but they all have to be charged separately. They're pretty fast to recharge though, and situationally you can recharge them during combos.

[@JasonYJS_xoxo]

Do I hv to hold the V-skill button and release it? Or is it just tap and use like her fuha special move?

[@Bafael]

First use stores it, 2nd use releases it. Works like fuha, no holding necessary

[@damiens1998]

i judged this vskill pretty early, i agree with "it seems really versatile but it's not especially good at any one thing." its nice but painfully slow. i wish it were more comfortable to use like milia's disc

[@eyeh0]

Without the charge, it would’ve been the perfect cover to charge your fuha stocks. Why her fireballs worked in SF4 was because each fireball can be used as cover to charge one another. On top of that, they gave Juri the plus frames on block she normally doesn’t have. Not having a “cover” move in SFV, except for the lone light fuha fireball, is what really makes Juri’s gameplan such an unintuitive chore. By comparison, Ibuki has her kunais already charged up at the start of the match and can do a fast refill with EX. Ibuki’s VS2 even provides an actual “cover” move too. VS1 still seems superior due to gaining an appropriately insane move for the charge time, even for non-fireball characters. It can be used to whiff punish many normals and neutral and back jumps from full screen.

[@BlueLightningSky]

SFIV was also a slower and more set up focused game to begin with. Where sweeps and throws both cause hard knockdowns

[@OccuredJakub12]

Juri's Fireballs in IV were also balanced by the fact that, when charged up, they took away her access to all of her most powerful kick normals and specials. When SFV came out, I wished to Godd they would just keep them as they were, but not demand you to hold and release the buttons for them, only a second button press. Instead, this Juri is a completely new, baffling and bad character

[@mr.nobody671]

Oh look more people comparing the same character from DIFFERENT games. Go back to playing sfiv if you like her in that version so fucking much. Smh losers.

[@waterspinach3145]

I think VS1 is way better, charged VS1 is a good threat to the opponent as any unsafe whiff or jump will likely be punished if Juri player has decent reaction time. Here decent reaction I mean, when Juri player saw the opponent is doing something at a distance, for example, fireball, release charged VS1 immediately to punish them. The only thing need to be careful is Guile's VS1 which recover quickly so some experienced Guile player will lure Juri to use VS1 and then Guile blocked your VS1 and punish you. Same to Sagat because his fireball also recover quickly so don't use at too far.

[@Rocwell]

Yea basically take Vs1 for matchups against zoners and Vs2 for mus where you don't need it. That said her flip kick can punish fireballs just fine so you gain more utility and a safe way to build v gauge.

[@kevingriffith6011]

Flip-kick can be kind of hairy against some projectiles, since unless you've got a really good read on your opponent or are spending meter you can actually go over a projectile too late and get blocked. Still, it's workable enough that you don't suffer that much from not having VS1, and I do like the utility that VS2 brings once you're in.

[@BlueLightningSky]

Vs1 can punish some normals on whiff

[@danielfloresestrada9916]

Nice

[@ZevianAlter]

Should let it charge more so it can last longer with multiple hits so you have flexibility with lv.1, lv.2 and lv.3 versions.

[@twelve11]

Don't know why CAPCOM hate Juri

[@dot_exe5557]

The thing that annoys me the most with this V-Skill that is takes so long to charge, 53 which is actually pretty long unlike you said in your video. I think the startup on it is also a little slow, but this V-Skill definitly has some uses for her in most non fireball MUs. You can make medium and heavy fuha safe with it and it will trade with 3 framers and beat 4 framers, which is a decent mixup when the opponent is scared to punish Juri's medium and heavy fuha (especially cause medium fuha into light fuha is interruptable, while with V-Skill it isn't). It's also actually quite a decent AA against cross up jumps, the back hitbox of this is actually crazy! V-Skill 1 is still prefered in most MUs though

[@JAmes-ny3if]

Omg... i should have find out about ur video so that i neednt go through rxploring juris vskill2 the painful way..

[@Ichithix]

I don't rate v-skill 2 very highly, having to charge it blows for the payoff you get. With v-skill 1 the ability to dash cancel out early or just let go and instantly attack make it much safer when charging. And not only are you giving up a great long range whiff punish tool, but you also give up an easy light confirmable side switch for not that much payoff by taking v-skill 2. I don't see the attraction.

[@sirfailalotful]

So why is Juri the only character forced to store fireballs?

[@Bafael]

Her fireballs have REALLY good frame data compared to most fireballs and they're also somewhat combo friendly. Also she can use them to make other combos safe, such as any qcf HK, which would be very strong if she can use them infinitely.

[@Issueskater]

Kolin next?

[@BritishTeaFGC]

It's Urien next since it's in order of character release. After that it's Akuma then it's Kolin

[@muraniko8840]

Another setup move for Juri, meh.

[@jmadriaga3298]

Menat please

[@Laerei]

Menat's V-skill 1 is more versatile and useful even against opponents without fireballs. Therefore, V-skill 2 is practically worthless.

[@SantiLokyyo]

I feel V-skill 1 still is more versatile

[@BlueLightningSky]

It's important to note that this move might not charge until near the very end of your charge animation. This means if you get hit while charging you might not actually have the charge which can lead to you charging in front of your opponent if you think you actually charged. As far as I know the only way to tell if you charged is if you see the flash on her ankle during the animation, if you have the pink SFX mod for Juri that flash will be pink.

[@slmnemo]

I believe charge Vskills flash the little II on the V when charged.

[@BlueLightningSky]

@@slmnemo wow. Thanks didn't know that. And with this you can actually tell when the vskill charges.

[@siranchovy2995]

Baf's videos are so informative. I wish he'd finish the SRK character tutorial videos for 3rd Strike. SFV is a dud.

[@fissilewhistle]

You know this game is thriving more right now than it ever has before? And that it’s getting a pretty important update in a month? That’s definitely not the definition of a “dud.”

[@siranchovy2995]

@@fissilewhistle I say it's a dud because even with the recent update, people only play it at my local scene because there's money to be made. No one really seems to genuinely want to play it. The problem is how rigid and boring the game is. (Not trying to bash those that actually like it, by any means)

[@fissilewhistle]

Muten Mensah Do you know that there’s actually an entire planet’s worth of people outside of your local scene? And many of those people do like the game and that’s why they’re still playing it.

[@siranchovy2995]

@@fissilewhistle I went to plenty of majors last year (mid-west/east coast), and the number of people playing this at the casual setups beg to differ. Again, if you like the game, that's cool. I'm not saying you can't. It just doesn't have the staying power as a lot of other current fighters. I think it loses a lot of people's interest because of how formulaic it is. There's little to no room for originality when it comes to playstyle. Hence the reason I've been checking out Bafael's vids on the new V-skills, hoping that this will breathe life into this stagnant game.

[@fissilewhistle]

Muten Mensah Staying power? This game’s been doing consistently well in the E-Sports community since it’s launch, and it’s in a better spot now than it’s been in its entire lifespan. Whatever game you’re describing is not this one.

[@RompecuelloPR]

If only sagat could cancel angry scar after dp

[@bopbop076]

If only cr.mk and m.fuha could combo... st.mp is too short and the st.mk cancel fail half the time online.