SFV Season 4.8 balance patch overview

[@ngubod16]

Hey Baf, slightly important nerf I think you forgot to mention was that they extended Rashid's hurtbox during his whirlinds (all versions) so its much easier to interrupt them now before he cancels into Vskill.

[@ManlyPlant]

More Falke buffs are always fun. I'm glad they've been working on making her an even more enjoyable character to play.

[@sobosswagner]

@Laurence Cornwall-Mann git gud

[@aspreedacore]

falke is slept on...

[@spoofy8885]

This feels like the first time in forever that R. Mika got anything besides bug fixes

[@ZoomingOut402]

IMHO mika has the most balanced and well designed kit in the game. And I dont even play mika.

[@sobosswagner]

Accidentally put the fireball recovery for Akumas kiai twice. Didnt expect this to be up so soon lol

[@Bafael]

I rewatched it and had thought you were talking about something else. Yeah that's just an editing error OOPS

[@ivan9960]

its more a fix patch for broken or useless vs2 but I will take it

[@ZensMeatSlab]

They did give Juri's a tiny buff. Wish it was just a thing she could do, but less charge time is a good thing I guess. Okay; did not know that they made some setups +4. That is pretty good.

[@jedifanboy]

My boy Sagat ❤️

[@s1lvrinferno]

Bullshit buff

[@ngubod16]

Also, as a Zeku main I'm chuffed. VS2 has gone from useless to why the hell would I pick VS1 now? Only VS1 offers thats better is side switch and maybe an easier way to combo into CA but everything else is better with VS2 in terms of the pressure and mixups/setplay. I've already found bomb setups that make it safe to slide in with YZ now which is insane.

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

🤩

[@SKKaelth]

Sometimes VS1 is better for combos when building Vgauge to spend on VT2, and obvious sideswitches. But, yeah, VS2 is looking better overall.

[@soulie2001]

Well, referring to Juri, I always get it up in neutral anyway.

[@Bafael]

Yeah 53 is fast enough but faster is still welcome. It's more important that she can now get it up without sacrificing okizeme and a mixup

[@soulie2001]

@@Bafael That shit went way over your head but yea its definitely a help to her gameplan because she struggles anyway.

[@Bafael]

@@soulie2001 oh, it was a boner joke. And here I took you 100% at face value lmao

[@antonsundin2974]

To add to Ryus v skill 2: 1: If you parry a long limb like Dhalsims normals where you'll go into the blackout effect and the first hit connects but not the second because Dhalsim is too far away you still have enough time to do light DP into CA because of the new crumple properties of the first hit. 2: If you VTC cancel the non parry version you get more juggles on hit in the corner. You can do axe kick xx heavy dp xx CA as an example. 3: non parry version on hit gives you oki on both quick and back recovery. I still think VS1 is the better vskill for basically all matchups, maybe you can make a case for Dhalsim and Poison though but i don't think what i wrote in #1 is good enough.

[@Mehplop]

Hey baf, it’s not listed in the notes but Abigail’s crlk also has extra pushback on hit, he lost his 3 hit light confirm because of it

[@jimmydotzel]

It's always so refreshing how your videos just start and end. No "Smash that like button" or a long send off. Just content. Love it.

[@DEClimax]

if you do a spaced VS2 5-hit EX as akuma and VT2 cancel to EX demon flip, palm is a true blockstring and whiffing palm before landing can actually leave you plus. theoretically, this gives you an extremely ambiguous mixup from range, as you have the option to do palm overhead, slide low, or whiff palm and potentially land on either side. in practice, your opponent will see you do VS2, jump, and kill you. wack, imo

[@DEClimax]

also you didn't mention but i think the reason the gill VS1 change is a big deal is the fact that in VT you can have a fireball and a comet active at the same time, so making comet free seems like it pretty majorly enhances his VT zoning capability

[@curtissnellings1421]

You’re so smart. Keep doing what you’re doing. Thank you for your service

[@MonkUnitBrawl]

Capcom was wrong on the changelog, so you misinterpreted Abigail crouch LK change. It was the pushback on hit, not block, that got changed. He can no longer do a 3 hit light xx EX punches or cr.LK on hit > EX cmd grab.

[@jinkazama7587]

Imagine the final final version of this game.

[@purelizardmilk6598]

lol why finish the game before shipping when you can just finish it as people play for years

[@dolphinpuff5045]

Street Fighter’s been doing the “_____ Edition” thing since the 90’s. Not really a huge deal considering that it’s mostly just buffs, nerfs, and bug fixes, and stuff

[@LeeGinSing]

You do great work, Baf. Thank you and please keep it up, sir!

[@omgcandy16Kimicari0]

It's good that Capcom realized most VS2s at release were really low-tempo.

[@MeltingData]

nothing of substance for ryu if we are honest

[@MansMan42069]

I still say he should've been given new TCs that use VS2 as an ender.

[@Linialomdil]

as a scrub, at least I can pick vs2 against my other scrubby friends and not feel like I'm shooting myself in the foot as much

[@samsonder1835]

Great, Ryu is the most honest character in the game. 😄

[@Chris-yp6zm]

It's Akuma, Kage, Sakura, Ken, then Ryu.

[@crosscy9387]

Don't really get what's on capcom's mind. Why waste time creating something entirely worthless when you know nobody will use it. Then you waste more time "balancing" it while it still belongs in the totally crap category.

[@JP-pn2lv]

Ryu is such a nerd who definitely drinks water with no ice at restaurants. Great video baf, I really appreciate your devotion to putting out quality content as fast as you do. Also, Lucia is so cute I want capcom to do more with her

[@MansMan42069]

CAWFEE

[@mostverticalproductions4808]

Does he like the newest season of The Simpsons?

[@DANCERcow]

You mean Lucina? ._.

[@AussieMoron]

Hey baf, thanks for the video. Hope this isn’t all for 5.1, a lot of mid season patches were wildly influential

[@Raging_Asura]

2:21 damn, Bafael doesn't hold back on opinions anymore lmao

[@Intrenxic_Dark]

I guess Karin's VS2 buffs weren't significant enough to warrant a mention here. I agree with that decision though because no Karin is really gonna pick it still.

[@Bafael]

Oops I literally just missed karin entirely. Building v-meter from cancelling projectiles is actually really quite useful but the other stuff is meh.

[@Intrenxic_Dark]

@@Bafael Yeah, I can only really see myself using it against Sagat for the novelty of it. I can it having some use against Poison, Menat, and Sim though. It causing a crush counter on Sim and Poison's limbs can be nice. I think Menat's orbs get repealed.

[@kurikari1675]

Yay juri v skill 2 still has absolutely no use beyond combo routes or making things safe

[@jesusenriquez4993]

Thanks. Some solid work there buddy

[@Vidya-James]

Supposedly, Akuma's VT2 powers up his Sekia Kuretsuha if cancelled the same way as Red Fireball?

[@MansMan42069]

Cancelled the same way? What do you mean?

[@fissilewhistle]

You mean V-Skill II? Because I’m pretty sure VTII doesn’t affect Sekia Kuretsuha at all.

[@alphach1mp]

Vs2 for Ryu is perfect at where it is now. For Chun Li vs2, it needs to be an anti-air and be able to have more use before VT for it to be viable.

[@walinden]

Yeah, that nerf on abigail ex run was sad

[@AwsomeLeaf]

knee sagat lookin pretty spicy all the sudden

[@Charion-50]

Hey it may not be much, but I'm glad Ryu's Vskill 2 is better now. A little more to it would've make it sweet enough as another option but it'll do for now.

[@evalangley3985]

Abigail nerf is totally unjustified. Now if the EX Nitro charge stomp hit, you are not getting rewarded. In fact, you are getting punished. You are losing the option of using Dynamite punch which is one of the most important move in Abigail arsenal.

[@OscarG787]

Eva Langley Bye bye abi lol

[@Tommy-be3om]

Nice work 👍🙂

[@Fightzpike]

i also think the inward hitboxes make it more consistent for anti airing as well.

[@Bafael]

If it's on an anti air normal, then yes it should absolutely help with AA

[@BHS289]

Alex’s Lariat also got a slight buff, the hitbox is now more likely to hit a crouching opponent; for example, versus a crouching Cammy, he had to hit her with his hip but now the space in front of the hip contains a hitbox. Small QOL change I guess.

[@Bafael]

I almost had this in but then didn't but lariat buffs are pretty much the most important thing Alex can get because it's so central to his mixup. It seemed better at hitting crouching opponents from afar but I couldn't tell how much better so I just left it out, although ironically it's one of the bigger balance changes in the patch.

[@BHS289]

Bafael I wish they would do more inward hitbox extensions on his antiairs instead, unironically lol

[@christianbryce]

Thanks Bafeal!!

[@ensanesane]

Dang they couldn't find it in their hearts to actually fix Chun's :/

[@AuntBibby]

ensanesane would it really be that OP for it to be an overhead? her V-Skill 1 is essentially a full-screen jump-in that you can get a huge combo off of... if they made her V-Skill 2 hit overhead, it’d just be a mid-range jump-in that knocksdown immediately after 1 hit that still isn’t fast enough to combo from any of the normals she can cancel into it

[@ensanesane]

@@AuntBibby yeah imo it should be an overhead or actually dodge fireballs consistently

[@ngubod16]

@@AuntBibby The difference is her VS1 has a reasonable hang time and you can DP it. The hozansho is really fast and doesnt cost any bar - compare that to someone like poisons that is really fast, an overhead, but costs meter and is very punishable on block. If Kage's, with much less range, isnt an overhead, i dont see why hers should be.

[@ensanesane]

@@ngubod16 thing is, it has maybe the worst hurtbox of any move in the entire game. You can hit basically any button at any timing and beat it clean. Poison doesn't have that problem even on the regular ones (which you can combo into)

[@Bafael]

Chuns could be actually good if it hit on the way up like her 3S 3rd super art. That would make it more like her vs1 too

[@RandoBox]

3:26 - Tail end... I see what you did there.

[@Reelix789]

Uhm.. Ibuki? I'm having trouble figuring out what changed about VS2

[@ayadolores249]

you can hit the caltrops now while it's on the air :(( like a kunai

[@Reelix789]

@@ayadolores249 yeah I saw. And it doesn't nullify fireballs anymore. What a shame that made the Menat MU a real blast

[@tomspag]

was wondering if you'd make a vid. thanks baf love ya

[@Leafhurr1cane]

Good looks my guy.

[@giannibonanno2367]

So how big is the patch download in new update I just got done download ing the 3.2 update I only have 50 gigs in my phone to download updates so Everytime I download a update lol another update comes out lol

[@jasonludwick3504]

They also nerfed abi 3 hit light lk,cr.lk,lp,to ex abi punch

[@---do2qd]

fangs VS2 didn't get buffed... weird.

[@Bafael]

It got buffed a little bit, he gets better okizeme on it. I just didn't put it in the video lol

[@Bluzlbee]

Whose FANG?

[@kevingriffith6011]

I actually find it to be the more useful of FANG's two V-Skills, really. In my experience he struggles when getting pressured, and having something you can do, even if it is risky, to throw off the opponent's pressure is a godsend. I thought it was weird and dumb when it first came out, but it's grown on me. (Also his first V-Skill is ridiculously bad, so it balances out)

[@---do2qd]

@@kevingriffith6011 i like it better than VS1 also, i just wish it worked against EX moves

[@kevingriffith6011]

@@---do2qd I didn't realize this was a real problem with it. I don't see the opponent going out of their way to burn meter specifically to catch FANG's counter, and I can't think of a lot of situations where you'd just get caught by an EX move in a frame trap or a read. Honestly my only complaint is that the reward is very low for the risk, only resetting you to neutral, putting down a little damage and applying poison, but then Mika's is pretty similar in that respect.

[@kevingriffith6011]

Yeah, I don't really *get* the Juri VS2 change. After the target combo you can get more damage and better oki while still building resources by doing stock -> DP (L or H), and in the corner with H.Fuha you can get a *lot* more damage and oki following up with M.DP. Unless there's some specific advantage to being exactly +4 (probably less timing involved for meaty attacks) then I just don't see this being a useful change.

[@ksfallenangel5770]

im a little upset abagail lost his stomp chain but i can see why. It was fun to ex nitro charge stomp them into the corner and ex giant flip rgen mash punch to annoyingly smash the ground forever

[@triplemardito]

What happen to my Vega? 😢

[@Sejf_]

Akuma Anything on block > Ex Hado can now be interrupted

[@ThunderFlameAttack]

Am i imagining this or does guiles l.dp to sonic boom to l.dp to sonic boom is harder to execute? A response from any one would be nice

[@StreetFighterWWE]

Thanks for being so quick in making this, but you missed that Dhalsim can also cancel EX Yoga Gale into BOTH V-Skills on whiff, not just VS2. Also, I think they nerfed Karin's VS2 a bit since the non-held version has an extra frame of startup, EX Seppo does less stun when you cancel into it from the held version, the mid-air combo count has been reduced, which I guess means fewer juggles? I don't play her, and she now gets V-Guage when it collides with projectiles. Also curious, did they fix Necalli's Crawling Beast being able to be neutralized by Rashid's, Chun's, and Cody's LKs? It seems like they might've from how it reads, but I haven't sat down to check, and is the increased hurtbox on G Protection cancels significant? I'm assuming no since you didn't mention it.

[@Bafael]

Dhalsim could already do ex gale to vs1 on whiff, he's been able to do that for like 3 patches now. And I just went down the changelist and picked out the ones I personally thought were good, this isn't a composite list of all changes and I might have missed something that's worthy of being mentioned

[@StreetFighterWWE]

Bafael Oh I know, but the notes mentioned both V-Skills in their wording, so I thought it was new.

[@MansMan42069]

Man, I love your name. Zangief for WWE champion

[@whirl3690]

I would have liked if Ryu's V-Skill II were a Focus Attack, the one we have is boring.

[@Luis-Hernandez.2022]

I'm confused about Abigail nerf, s.lk cr.lk jab ex Abi puch combo doesn't work anymore. Why? unlisted change? s.lk nerf? cr.lk on hit nerf?

[@evalangley3985]

cr.lk is having more pushback. However, now the EX Nitro charge stomp is completely breaking the mechanic and the intent of the move.

[@Luis-Hernandez.2022]

@@evalangley3985 Yeah, it says has more pushback but on block not on hit, so there's an unlisted change. Maybe Slk has more pushback on hit.

[@ultimateman55]

Any insight into the one change for Gief about his VS 1 walk? I didn't understand it much.

[@Bafael]

I think when trying to do a dash cancel from VS1, you could get the v-skill walk between the inputs, so now they made it that if you double tap forward it shouldn't give you the walk in the middle and mess up your inputs.

[@ariloulei814]

oof rip, I was having fun with that dumb Seth V-Trigger I after Spinning kick. I guess it wasn't meant to be in SFV.

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

It should not be in tbh

[@ariloulei814]

@@The_WIll_OF_D99 Why not? you work your ass off for the 3 bars of V-resources. Why not get a side swap and ambiguous blockstring roughly 3 times? Just block it and take your turn after the follow-up cause it was only safe not +. I mean it does help the other V Trigger stand out now as being for chip/blockstrings and such with this one being pretty much just for more damage now and maybe the side swap if you really need it. I'll miss this like I miss Ryu being +10 on crouching jab in SF II ST... you think I mean on hit, that doesn't matter it's +10 on everything cause SF II ST doesn't differentiate it just adds tons of knockback to blocked attacks (don't get me started on chip in that game).

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

@@ariloulei814 it was not that great unless you fought a mindless idiot 🙄 Your whole reasoning is not that great as you think dude

[@ariloulei814]

@@The_WIll_OF_D99 Sure whatever dude. Yes it wasn't "great" but now it's garbage. If it's not a "great" way to extend pressure why get rid of it. It's not like Seth's nerf was needed, I don't even think it was oppressive. Rather it was just a jank way to kinda make your pressure safe, force a small guessing situation, and chip a bit. I'm partly joking but you missed the whole point. The point is that SFV tends to "play it safe" because it can't "get crazy" where other games are not afraid to go those places like even old SF games could (still not as bad as what they did to divekicks in SFV though). My reasoning might not be "great" but you haven't made an argument. Nice job liking your own comment btw.

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

@@ariloulei814 dude all of your reasoning and logic is so bad 🙄 "Go crazy" lol ok kid how is a move like that even crazy it's not like it gives you shit against real players. Plus extend pressure? Oh, a move that is dumb minus even if you teleport... Oh by playing it safe making a good move bad on block and don't even try calling it a nerf it's not even that big of a deal. They changed it for a reason it's not that great of a move anyway especially when people find it😑

[@sharpenmysight5954]

Nothing happened to Kolin?

[@XAVIOUSPOWER-FULL]

Unfortunate Kage wasn't touched

[@OscarG787]

Xavious Rosaiire He’s fine

[@XAVIOUSPOWER-FULL]

@@OscarG787 his normals has too much push back!

[@solohunter5777]

Hey guys should i buy SFV Champion Edition? Is it fun?

[@sanjivinsmoke2719]

Zangeif buffs?

[@mostverticalproductions4808]

How is SFV right now Baf? Would you say it's overall in a good standing? Is it still just SFV at the end of the day?

[@Bafael]

If you don't like SFV you don't like it. To me it's the best it's ever been. I don't think anyone can deny that it's way better than it was at launch unless they just don't like the direction it went in.

[@mostverticalproductions4808]

@@Bafael I never really had an issue with SFV fundamentally. I know a lot of 09ers passing themselves off as knowledgable do, but I had more of an issue with the product. SFV now looks to be as it should have on launch, but I don't know. Also, Alex still sucks, which killed my motivation hard. Hopefully he's better now.

[@lukelaser5397]

Alex dosent suck. He may not be top tier but he in no way shape or form sucks.

[@ajeyasengar5498]

Aaaannnnndddd...... Ken gets nothing....😂😂

[@ichiryu87]

Bison vs2 is broken...

[@monadoboy8009]

Ryu VS2 got stronger? THANK FUCK

[@genadiyrool]

Hmm. Made my game have micro stutters

[@dreamk33per56]

Is Karin's VS2 now useful ?

[@Bafael]

Getting v meter for destroying fireballs is quite useful in some matchups, and her vs1 isn't great, so maybe. Using it as an attack is still pretty awful though

[@dreamk33per56]

@@Bafael Her EX Dash, canceled from VS2 is now 2 frames faster. Maybe it can be used now vs zoners?

[@kenmasters2231]

is Ed still top tier ??

[@Kaioshin9000]

Can someone please help me understand G’s changes and what they mean. Thanks 100 !!

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

What don't you understand?

[@kevingriffith6011]

Do you mean his VS2 change? As far as I know it's basically to make Fireball -> VS2 more punishable since that was pretty horrible to fight against as characters like Geif.

[@Kaioshin9000]

Daimion everything lol please help bro

[@Kaioshin9000]

Kevin Griffith ohhhh ok , but how about the hit box thing being closer. I don’t get it , so does that mean less range ? Is it a bad thing ?

[@kevingriffith6011]

@@Kaioshin9000 It's the same changes everyone else is getting. I'm not sure *why* they're doing it outside of edge cases, but all the ranges have stayed the same. The only change is that it extends further *into* the character, so hitboxes inside your hitbox are more likely to get hit.

[@kurikari1675]

Great i guess

[@OscarG787]

Guile got nerfed and rashid. Ha!

[@orangeknight321]

You totally forgot Karin.

[@GretaA.]

Aaaaand F.A.N.G got nothing.... *wonderful*

[@Hazztech]

Why the fuck did they nerf Seth

[@lord_raga]

[@perseusgill2879]

Guile is getting nerf in every single patch FUCK

[@ikaruga24]

Bison VS2...an already useless Vskill just dropped into the curb.

[@PomadaGaming]

hmm

[@PomadaGaming]

7:33 I feel this

[@bogartwilley]

Now if we could only get ultra street fighter 4 the same kinda love and attention street fighter 5 gets we might have a good game on our hands lol

[@waterspinach3145]

As low rank Juri player, I think I have been insensitive to those patches. Capcom disappointed me since the character release. Every time when Capcom gonna make some changes for Juri, they are like: "Oh, still not many people use Juri even though she was top 3 character in the poll, OK, we will buff her, no worries!" And then Capcom ends up gave their honey characters like M.Bison and Rashid 100 dollar and gave Juri a penny.

[@user-nu2er3je6c]

look how they massacred my girl

[@dablord4513]

rashid got nerfed 2 patch in a row but ok

[@waterspinach3145]

@@user-nu2er3je6c Right, I understand Capcom's strategy, they want all the characters are played, Juri and Sakura are too popular because they are gorgeous and have many fans will play them even if they are low tier. So Capcom ends up buff characters with less fans.

[@waterspinach3145]

@@dablord4513 the same thing applied to Rashid. Capcom is like: "Oh what? So many people hate Rashid and don't want to see him dominate the tournament? OK, no worries. We will nerf him." Then Capcom nerfed Cammy 100 dollar and nerfed Rashid 1 dollar and buffed him a strong 100 dollar value VS2.

[@alternator7893]

Damn, they really nerfed Abigail :-[

[@DrekoSama]

Just take chun li out the game, they don't care about her

[@Bafael]

bruh Chun li got some of the best buffs last patch: knockdown hk legs, higher damage super and trigger combos, and an actual vs1 confirm. What more do you want?

[@Gadjo_King]

wait whut...says they dont care about her. Has the most costumes and is top 5. I assume you're not serious

[@DrekoSama]

Yea yall right im just thinking about hella combos we should be able to do

[@SkilledNature]

Yeeeeeaahhhhhh this game is fucked lol

[@nickadt]

Phew, I am glad they fixed Dictator's VS2. Still a cheap af plus on block side-switching teleport, but now you have slightly more pushback on block. Capcom, please.

[@Bafael]

just hit any button lol. It's slower than a jump and has a unique sound cue. Most dictators still pick VS1 since it's more useful in general.

[@nickadt]

@@Bafael Wow. A sound cue. That totally justifies it being plus on block. Thanks, man.

[@Bafael]

@@nickadt I'm saying if you hear it, then hit any button within 40 frames of that, you counterhit bison and potentially get a combo. I use sakura st. MP and get a reaction link every time. Again it's slower than a jump, so you almost never even have to block it.

[@nickadt]

@@Bafael Dude, I comprehend what you are saying. What I am saying is that you should not have to rely on interrupting Dictator's VS2 to have a turn. It should still be negative, if not punishable, on block because it is a two-button side-switching teleport. An audio cue alone does not justify frame advantage, especially when the visual cue is similar to forward dash. Also, I think most characters have more than 40 total jumping frames and Dictator has 39 (not counting start up or recovery) so this idea that Dictator's VS2 is meaningfully slower than a jump in is completely misinformed.

[@Bafael]

@@nickadt Total jumping time is pretty long, but the amount of time needed to jump and force the opponent to block is much shorter, since the jumper hits the opponent before he lands, so yes jumps are generally faster than bison's teleport. In general, jumps are an excellent analogue since you have to rely on interrupting a jump; by the time you block it the opponent gets a mixup. Saying it looks like a forward dash doesn't matter because the counter to both is the same thing: immediately hitting a fast button. Let me phrase it like this. How slow would bison's teleport have to be before it's just a liability and not a weapon? Because most bison players think it's already that slow. The side switch doesn't matter if it never hits lol.

[@JavenarchX]

This game is boring

[@Fudgaboutit]

It sounds to me like you've improved a lot on your annoying voice