Baldur's Gate 3: Tons Of Cut Content We Can STILL Get Back! (Heavy Spoilers)

[@NoxLegend1]

Pretty big spoilers in this. You should probably put it in your title. Now Not watching your vids until I finish the game

[@spellandshield]

LOL. The title literally has HEAVY SPOILERS in it. Reading would be a good idea.

[@blackpaisley5156]

So why did you have to comment? This isn't an airport, no need to announce your departure.

[@unleashed613]

There are no big spoilers here , just "Heavy" spoilers as stated in the tittle of the video 🤣

[@igot2remember]

@@spellandshield Yeah, all of these cut content would explain the lackluster endgame. I would've that they would have not released the game as early as they did, and just finish most of those important cut content. (SPOILER) Edit: I wonder if there were more cut content for Orin? You have dialogue currently in game with you finding out about Orin origin, and how Baal tricked her and her freaking out to the information and lashing out against Bhaal. Instead, no matter what you do, or dialogue you unlock, all you get is Orin always turning to mush and becoming a avatar of Bhaal. I assume more was cut from her because they also cut the content of Orin attacking the Githyanki. I hope there was more, because out of the dead three, Orin was the most interesting and most involve with the player. As, she's constantly there, interacting with the player disguise as people, sending out assasin after you, etc. I believe its a fairly recurring theme for the Baldur gate games to have a Bhaal spawn ally, i wonder if you were suppose to be able to recruit Orin as a Bhaal spawn companion, when you revealed that Bhaal played her for a fool? To other thing, there are dialogue currently in game with you raising the Githyanki egg as your own, and not give the egg to Ester for the society of brilliance. I don't know if there's suppose to be more to the egg. Like how you're suppose to carry the book of Thay all the way act 3 in order to unlock a very powerful necromancy magic. My games bugged like crazy, so keeping the egg did nothing, but base on how the game ended, it feel like taking the egg was suppose to do more. Orpheus even comment about you taking the egg from the creche when you release him. I wonder if you turn Orpheus into a flayer, if they were intending for you to use the Gith child to replace Orpheus as the new red comet in the end to lead the fight against the undying queen, so his line does not die if you told Lae'zel to stay with you.

[@santiagojara8056]

Spoilers in a video about CUT CONTENT THAT'S EVEN TAGGED AS SPOILER HEAVY??????

[@DarthSoto78]

I get the feeling Alfira was a cut bard companion. She gets such a grand intro including a song for what ends up being a minor character.

[@auginetic]

Especially with what happens with her in a -different- playthrough I fully agree

[@joshuaa.5523]

She was instantly killed in the Act 2 Inn battle... I couldn't save her.

[@user-mu8ok5xf8d]

There is also the thing with the lute she can give you is colored like a quest or important item

[@CovenOfKhaos]

@@joshuaa.5523 how did she die for you??

[@MrAxeside]

That’s interesting, she never died for me in the inn. Though one play through she got knocked unconscious and laid out over a chair. Which i thought was funny.

[@enteraft]

What bug me the most about karlach story arc is there're numerous times throughout act 3 hints a "fix the engine" story line. but it was blatantly cut off, and all you get in the end is three different flavour of "Tav fucked up and fail to fix the engine”.

[@joshholmes1372]

Especially when you find the upgraded infernal iron later in act 3 and do stuff in the sentinel factory.

[@shadyhavok1]

This hurt my heart. I legit teared up a little when she went on her I don't wanna die speech.

[@shadyhavok1]

​@@joshholmes1372lol sentinel factory

[@robinbugge4240]

I actually went around the city and made sure to hunt down as many of the steel watch as I could, because in my mind I was like "oh, they're dropping infernal iron... gotta make sure I have enough for when Karlach's quest gets a new event" Once I figured out what was coming for Karlach, I just stopped playing.

[@TheXeioken]

Am I missing something with this one? I fixed up her heart to a point in act 2 and the light inn. I'm guessing there's just no full resolution in act 3? Be painting Larian will deliver they just need the time to polish up act 3 and tie things in together. It looks like they ran out of cash to continue and need to release to complete the ending. Act 1 and 2 feel really solid though.

[@charlesboots6508]

Upper City & companion cut content restoration is a must. Avernus & an expanded Nautiloid would be nice, but not necessary.

[@Rzepik]

Please, no Avernus. The main problem with this game is the fact that the main storyline tries to do every popular FR theme at once.

[@jordanknoop9359]

@@Rzepik Bad take :( Since when is more content a bad thing, just don't do it if you dont want it.

[@Rzepik]

@@jordanknoop9359 If you just keep shoving more and more stuff into one storyline, it will simply be incoherent. And themes will probably end up shallow and unexplored. Maybe even undermined, because we're dealing with Larian here. My pocket illithid trying to shag me doesn't add to the "eldtrich horror" of illithids. It takes it away from it.

[@Rzepik]

@@aersla1731There was much more Avernus planned, supposedly. I think OP meant that. There was a lot of rewrites and you can feel it sometimes in the game.

[@jordanknoop9359]

@Rzepik the Illithid romance was weird I agree

[@HiyaCoffee]

The heavily advertised Upper City map with full questlines being completely cut last minute is biggest crime, especially after Swen himself said in interviews it was a key content area to explore. That has to be addressed in future.

[@catandrobbyflores]

Maybe it needed more time to cook and they ran out of it.

[@zigster1298]

Where did he say the upper city specifically was key? I’ve only ever seen or heard him talk about the city as a whole. Besides, they moved the release date earlier to avoid a Starfield clash. It’s possible more updates are on the way. And don’t forget, the definitive edition of Original Sin 2 was given free to everyone who already owned the game, it wasn’t paid DLC. It may be that The Definitive Edition will launch after the Series S port is complete.

[@roanc3709]

What heavily advertised upper city map with full quest lines? Give me a single piece of evidence it exists.

[@stinkymccheese8010]

They may have changed plans for the game that some of the cut content would fit better with a future expansion or something.

[@roanc3709]

@@stinkymccheese8010 they weren’t ever planning for a dlc. People loving the game so much and asking for it I believe has made them reconsider, and there will probably be a definitive edition in the future that might restore cut content (but will also likely be free for those who have already purchased the game) but they didn’t cut anything so they could sell it back as future dlc. Most actually cut content was cut because it doesn’t work with the story. Stuff that is being claimed as cut content that isn’t that is mostly either in the game or never existed.

[@foebok]

Some of the folks that play BG3 are older, just like Jaheira, and some of us are playing older characters, using the maturity filter. While you might not find a romance with an older female character interesting, a lot of older gamers appreciate content being made for some of us. And no one is required to romance a particular companion.

[@tpain2454]

I also found that comment odd lol. What's weird with romancing an older woman?

[@RedDeadSakharine]

And some of us might not be that old yet, but still find older people more attractive/appealing. I also found that a weird judgmental remark to make.

[@moonvioletkel]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@drew6145]

Yeah that caught me by surprise. Late to the discussion but still, great character in a great game, where you can romance characters far older technically and in some cases situations much weirder.

[@PixiePulse_]

Yea that was kind of an out of place comment imo. I actually really like Jaheira, contender for favorite character and I would gladly romance her

[@falsinar]

Separating the 'baseline' Tav and the Dark Urge was most definitely a great idea IMO. More options available is always good, especially in an RPG.

[@SadGodKamina]

Tav?

[@notenoughsoul1069]

​@@SadGodKaminadefault name for Custom Origin

[@SadGodKamina]

@@notenoughsoul1069 aaaah thank you

[@primrosett]

Totally agree. I'm glad I'm not locked into Durge because personally I find it hinders my roleplay because Durge's entire backstory is already laid out. I don't really get to make one up for myself, which kinda sucked for me because creating my character is a huge source of fun for me. I do wish the other backgrounds affected the dialogue more, though. It'd be nice if being a Performer or a Criminal came up in conversation every now and then.

[@sebastian_the_fool3726]

@@primrosettfor me it was the opposite, i liked having the story laid out for me already. finding out im a bhall spawn in act 3 was crazy to me especially because people kept hinting that i was a big bad 😭

[@ArdannaL]

I did find the lack of characters interacting with each other odd. As it was much more present in early access.

[@apres-lachute8718]

I really hope you are right and Definitive Edition gives us all this stuff back!

[@maiabones]

You want to pay full price TWICE for a game they said they shipped the first time?

[@mr.p215]

@@maiabones for Larion "Definitive Edition" isn't a new game as most people assume but a free update to it's owners and the "finished" form of the game.

[@angron2074]

@@maiabones I would pay for it. We would get much more than for modern dlcs.

[@similorradique2670]

​@@maiabonesdidnt you bluds pay 50$ for dlc morales which was like 10 hours long ? 😂

[@Megasaurusify]

@@maiabones I would pay triple 😂

[@shanewilson7994]

Two things: 1 - that is a ton of cut content left on the floor, and it would be amazing if it were left in the game, but I do understand that sometimes you don't have the time, or if one thing ends up not being able to work, that affects all kinds of other things. 2 - even with this much cut content, this is still an amazing game and I do hope that a lot of it gets added back in, but absolutely love the game.

[@FictionRaider007]

Finds it weird that Jaheira was romancable option because she's so old? Astarion, whose at least over 200: just sipping a glass of blood in the corner quietly. But really, the companion's ages are all over the place. Shadowheart is like 40 but because she's a half-elf she looks younger. Lae'Zel seems the oldest but is actually just like 20 which is why all the Githyanki call her "child" and such.

[@arcane8110]

Well... He's making this point in terms of relative equivalence to human maturity I think. Given that Jaheira is a half-elf and Astarion is a full elf, the former lives generally to a maximum of 180 years, I'd guess probably 200 in Jaheira's case due to her druid high level stuff and her being a character of note. Full elves live to about 700 years in optimal circumstances. So I reckon Jaheira is probably equivalent of a 70 year old human. Astarion is equivalent of a late twenties / early thirties human.

[@FictionRaider007]

@@arcane8110 Yeah but maturity (physical, emotional, whatever) doesn't work like that. A 20-year-old elf is still the equivalent of a 20-year-old human physically and mentally. Just because they still look young at 200 doesn't mean they don't still have the mind and experiences of a person whose lived 200 years. They might seem young or immature to an older elf with even more life experience but they're still way more mature than any human.

[@nikeun510]

@@FictionRaider007 yeah but astarion stopped physically maturing when he was turned. obviously he can still somewhat grow through lived experiences but his social development most likely was stunted because of those 200 years spent in slavery yknow? i bet he is still the equivalent of a 40 year old elf in terms of maturity

[@TheBerylfly]

​​​@@arcane8110good news high level druids can live several thousand years so Jaheira just needs to grindddd

[@LiamFarleyMA]

​@@arcane8110halsin is old as fuck and he's a half elf druid as well right (maybe he's a full elf and I'm confused by his joke about having giant in his bloodline)

[@Louves192]

All the companion content that got cut NEEDS to be restored. They managed to make the companions so lovable and feel like real people and then it just ends. I want to know what these guys are up to. The upper city missing is a huge disappointment. I explored the entire city and just thought 'that's it?'. Nowhere near what they promised. Also because it got cut, Cazadors mansion doesn't even have a main entrance. Funny to think all the high society of Baldurs Gate has to go through a random guard tower to go to one of his parties.

[@FlorelaFTW]

There is a second entrance in the sewers, but i never managed to open it from the outside. You meet a girl there wanting to go to a party. You can persuade her to go home.

[@ems7448]

I didn't think so deeply on it at the time, but I did find it sort of odd that Cazador's mansion could only be accessed through what appeared to be a side door. I spent about 10 minutes running around looking for a grand front entrance first, since Astarion even tells us that the mansion is meant to be one of the more impressive ones in the city. The actual "front door" and grand exterior being a victim of the Upper City going to the cutting room floor makes a lot of sense.

[@Captainmubz]

​@@ems7448 in one of the trailers there's a whole scene that plays out with Cazador and the outside of his mansion that I guess was intended to be a part of the upper city which was cut

[@Captainmubz]

​@alita8900in one of the trailers there's a whole scene that plays out with Cazador and the outside of his mansion that I guess was intended to be a part of the upper city which was cut

[@primrosett]

For real, Cazador is really built up through Astarion's utter terror of him and yet he's kinda underwhelming, you barely get to interact with him. Definitely has the most missed potential of all the villains in the game.

[@youmeandgravity]

seems like the decision to remove the upper city as a playable area was pretty detrimental to the game in regards to many aspects. hopefully larian revisits all of this stuff in the definitive edition or in a future expansion?

[@Tentacl]

Yeah, the game's final 1/5 or so really feels rushed and lower quality than the rest.

[@joshholmes1372]

Based on what they have said, I doubt an expansion...But definitive edition definitely seems likely based on what they have done in the past. Or there could just be a big patch at some point.

[@Kuroganemk2]

It was probably a buggy mess and they didn't have enough time to fix it. Or they shoved it of towards later DLC?

[@therealkoga2519]

@@Kuroganemk2 I blame Bethesda forcing their hand to a early release

[@Kuroganemk2]

Waht happened? Were did they run out of funds or something? @@therealkoga2519

[@Darkholow]

I think they were underestimating how much time it would've taken to have all the cut content in the game and/or they might've ran out of money and didn't expect BG3 to do so well financially (remember they said they were expecting 100k players at launch) so sacrifices had to be made. I secretly hope this content gets added back in the definitive edition/enhanced or an expansion, because it feels like its a significant cut from the last act. Also please Larian..give me ending sliders for my choices for the love of all that's good and holy.

[@user-mu8ok5xf8d]

It might be. If it is true that they add a bunch of extra stuff in about a year

[@warthoggoulags1679]

I think considering the huge success of the game introducing back all the cut content (polished and reworked) would further improve their image and keep the hype or at least bring back a significant amount of players

[@RoosSkywalker]

Ending sliders?

[@Darkholow]

Tapestry of showing your choices throughout the game and how it affected the world & characters you encountered now and in the future. Every self respecting CRPG has those. And now half of my comment is not relevant anymore because they did patch in the epilogue content. @@RoosSkywalker

[@lazylautrec6933]

What’s super shitty about minathara is she’s actually super insightful and has very large opinions on all the other companions and their situations. I bugged her so I could have her on my good play through and she is fascinated with karlach which I found interesting.

[@user-mu8ok5xf8d]

How did you get her to join on a good run. Did you just leave the grove

[@lazylautrec6933]

So if you leave kagha alive and convince her to help the tieflings then when you go to goblin camp free halsin but tell him to stay in the room. You then clear out all of goblin camp except minthar just don’t go anywhere near her. When you head to act two the tieflings will be all the town tho that part doesn’t always work and minthara will be at moonrise for you to save. Then by doin it this way you can get halsin and minthara as followers.

[@user-mu8ok5xf8d]

@alita8900 the only way to do so is to not help the grove or the goblins. Just go to act two and you have a chance to get her at moonrise towers

[@bobmishima3295]

@@user-mu8ok5xf8d I think they're just more surprised that there are even interactions between Minthara and Karlach at all since it's not intended for the party to have Minthara exist alongside Wyll, Karlach, and Halsin

[@MrBrockmcmillin]

@@lazylautrec6933Sadly you can’t do this anymore. They just patched it out 😞

[@Benadryllionaire]

It would be strange and incredibly unfortunate for Larian to suddenly stop what is essentially a tradition at this point. A Definitive Edition seems *necessary* given the sharp decline in overall quality after you finally reach the titular city. Hopefully this is still their intention after they manage to solidify the console ports and finish dealing with the troublesome Series S.

[@Elidec]

Still crazy how much content there is in the game and how good it is while theres soo much cut content. Atleast we have something to be excited for in the future, definitive edition cant come any sooner.

[@Rzepik]

Larian really can't give up some bad habits, huh? Unfinished late game. Charming side stories while the main plot is an embarrassing mess.

[@Benadryllionaire]

@@Rzepik "embarrassing mess" is more than a bit of a stretch homie, chill out.

[@Rzepik]

@@Benadryllionaire No, it's not. I've never seen a worse example of somebody confusing "let's shove more and more everything into it" with "good main plot". The final revelation about emperor made me question my sanity. Who wrote that? Did he think it's some kind of clever twist? Is that person from our galaxy?

[@Rzepik]

Hey, remember that dead historical figure that just adds a bit of history to the world? Just a bit of extra flavour and background... Well, guess what! He's not dead! He's the gay squid that lives in your pocket!!!

[@DerdOn0ner]

Missing a part of Baldur’s Gate, i.e. the Upper City is kind of a huge deal for me. Hope this gets restored eventually #justiceforKarlach

[@dallashill23]

Feels like with BG 3’s massive success they should hopefully have the resources to reimplement this extra content.

[@deathbycognitivedissonance5036]

Holy! and I thought the game already had enough content! Make it happen Larian!

[@ArcaneZippity]

What we have right now is still amazing and a ton of fun... You can tell now and then, there where some dialogue/plot holes that creeped in, a few times, throughout the game... But as was mentioned, Larian did a great job with what we got thus far, and they have a provable track record of getting stuff fixed, and eventually adding in stuff that it makes sense to put back into the game, that fell onto the cutting room floor... And as big of a hit as the game is, in it's current state, I definitely see them adding in stuff that was cut, and finishing up stuff that was not finished before launch, that needed cutting because of time constraints... Peeps just have to be patient, enjoy what we have thus far, and hope they follow their past patterns...

[@warthoggoulags1679]

@@ArcaneZippity the most dissapointing thing is not habing the upper ciry, i'm fine with all the rest

[@Brea2108]

With how Larian are actually listening to the criticisms of the game and have been pumping out updates I'm hoping we'll get to see the upper city restored down the line and a lot of things in Act 3 cleaned up.

[@roanc3709]

There’s no restoring the upper city because it was never cut. That’s a complete myth. The supposed evidence eg the karlach quest flags straight up doesn’t exist. The upper city was intended to be the finale and that’s what it is. Like don’t get me wrong it would have been cool and I won’t say no to a dlc (although unlikely since everyone will accuse them of taking it out to sell it separately because they don’t know how game design works) but it wasn’t cut. It’s in the game. It was never intended to be more than what it is

[@jesclle]

@@roanc3709how do you know this?

[@roanc3709]

@@jesclle the claim that the upper city was cut is supposedly supported by two things: a community post released a few weeks before release and flags for a secret karlach ending. The first is nonsense because there’s no way that they could remove an entire area in a few weeks, redo the entirety of act 3 to move all the important parts and end up with a playable game, and larian also clarified that the upper city was always intended to be the finale, they just couldn’t clarify that when people misunderstood without spoiling the ending. The karlach flags don’t exist. I know this because I’ve looked through the game files myself and they aren’t there. When content is cut in games it’s almost never completely removed, there’s no point in wading through the files with a fine toothed comb removing all references to it, all that’s necessary is that it doesn’t show up in game anymore and nothing that was meant to stay was removed. There’s plenty of stuff in the game files referencing cut content, even content that was cut quite early in development. So if they cut the upper city last minute and in a panic didn’t alter karlachs quest so it could be completed without it there would be a LOT of content surrounding that. The claim is that that ending is supposed to still be there, so it’s not even leftovers we’re after, it’s the whole secret ending. There is not a single reference in the game files to karlachs engine being fixed. There is no evidence there was ever any other ending planned for her than what is in game. Which fits thematically, her story is a tragedy. So essentially I know it because I have a good enough understanding of how gave dev works to know they didn’t slap together the current version of act 3 together in two weeks and I’ve looked through the game files and know none of the evidence for it actually exists.

[@Zach-qo1on]

@@roanc3709fake news it’s there a lot of people posted it and talked about it

[@Gondawn]

I don't see how we need to access upper city to fix Karlach's heart... We loot enriched infernal metal from steel watch. We save gondians in lower city. You know, same guys who made steel watch? Same steel watch that weirdly recognised Karlach as their own because of her heart? I think even with cut content Larian could've done a much better job with Karlach

[@rakimion]

omg the fact that dark urge was the original intent for the main character of the game makes so much sense. Playing a Dark Urge as my first character, and then playing and original Tav made it really feel like the Dark Urge felt more compelling as a player character story, for me. Makes so much sense

[@ettaetta439]

Yep. I'm a goody two shoes and only ever.play redemption Durge but now that I've started it, I can't go back to the original Tav. It just feels so fun to "fit" into the background of the story like the other characters do.

[@macvadda2318]

Tbh i get it, not everyone wants a dark urge, personally i like a non durge playthrough

[@ilyia_]

For me it's just so funny when you play as normal Tav Every one in the party are just fucking weirdos (like astarion says) and you're the only one completely normal. I found it easier to connect with the other one (and more logical) when you have your own secret

[@Anders9319]

Wow, ive sunk almost 300 hours into this game, 100 just in EA. Your videoes, among others, kept me going while i was waiting for release. I absolutely love the game, but when the ending credits rolled for the first time I was also a bit dissapointed. I dont wanna complain because the game is so amazing, but I feel that everyone that has been there for the full ride of early access and the discussion vids, plus the datamined content discussions, also felt that a lot was missing. The camp scenes felt so dead at times. No wonder when so much of Act 3 has been removed. I hope to see a lot of (hopefully all of it haha) later down the road. I am so sad hearing all of the things you mentioned, i feel almost greedy because the game already is so good. Because of the success it has had, with the PS5 release still to come, I choose to be hopeful. Thank you for all your amazing videos!

[@Grimbop]

I think I really likes the Daisy set up more, Like the down by the river song is something akin to a mindflayer hivemind song that keeps the mindflayers charmed. While Daisy is designed to coax the player into transforming maybe giving some insight into what someone would see/ experience before they are turned.

[@Rzepik]

I really want to meet the person who wrote the final revelation about emperor. Just to ask "what the hell is wrong with you".

[@marcusmaltby7908]

Daisy is far more interesting. Plus the theme song loses its meaning without her.

[@prisk1970]

I like both Daisy as a concept and the Emperor. It would have been super neat if they had it so that both of them are in your head. Daisy the taddy trying to convince you to stay and the Emperor pointing at her in your mind and being like she's a fake don't trust her. Would have been pretty fascinating with two highly attractive people who look like your ideal in your head. One in a purple outfit the other in shiny armor and both ultimately trying to manipulate you for their own ends

[@Rzepik]

Daisy is a nice concept, but doesn't really work in an interactive medium. It's an obvious trap and a high effort fail state. But... Daisy was the original plan, and replacing it with emperor and removing any idea of the tadpole being a threat... Oh boy, it mangled parts of the story. And it made the illithid tadpole theme kind of pointless, because they constantly work around it.

[@TsulaAngenati2292]

The mysterious M, the leader of the hag coven Auntie Ethel is a part of; “The Sisters of the Seeing Pearl” might be Malagard, the Night Hag Countess. Malagard once ruled the sixth layer of the Nine Hells, Malbogle, before being fused into and becoming one with the very land itself so Glasya could take over. There might have been a story where Malagard was trying to revive herself with the aid of her sisters, Ethel and some Sea Hag that would’ve taken Ethel’s spot in Act 3, and might be tied to both Act 2 and Avernus either he’d possibly trying to lure you in the Shadowlands and her either being reborn or slain in Avernus for good. I’ve heard some talk that she had ties to Zariel (not sure whether positive or negative) and she might have had some run-ins with Zevlor as Auntie Ethel has stated that she’s killed some paladins before and has seeming some specific hate towards them.

[@kaptenteo]

It's a bit mean to deny Jaheira a romance because she's "too old".

[@korakys]

Especially considering Minthara and Helsin are substantially older than her.

[@brettkelly6950]

Definitely

[@kittydaddy2023]

she's like 150 years old, but her booba don't look a day over 25. I data mined it.

[@a.m.pietroschek1972]

Yeah, but I was shocked to see her that aged! She has elven blood after all, hasn't she?

[@Kringerel]

apparently she was supposed to take a potion of youth so she could get her old strength back to help fight the absolute or sum

[@TrippSC2]

My assumption regarding Tav/Dark Urge split is that they wanted to go darker with the Dark Urge story beats than they wanted for the "default" experience, if that makes sense. I started with Dark Urge in my first playthrough and really wanted to quit and start over as a Tav after the Alfira camp event. I stuck with it and am glad I did, but it certainly went darker and more intense than I expected it to.

[@Megaman8880]

Ive got a lot of faith that Larian will release a definitive edition down the road with most if not all of this content, for no additional cost. Just like with DOS2.

[@sheogorath1374]

I honestly don't care whether they do it for free or not, I just wish they actually finished the game properly.

[@Megaman8880]

@@sheogorath1374 I think we all wish the game didn't have cut content. It still stands head and shoulders above everything else as far as I'm concerned though, even as is.

[@sheogorath1374]

@@Megaman8880 The problem is that the cut content actually feels like it's missing from the game. Plotlines that don't go anywhere, lack of closure. Nobody complains about extra stuff like crafting being cut from the game.

[@Megaman8880]

@@sheogorath1374 I didn't experience any plot lines that didn't go anywhere. I'm aware of the upper city and Avernus not being there and it impacting some of the possibilities with some origin characters though. This is the type of thing that gets put in either with the definitive edition or more likely sooner rather than later. It simply does not bother me though. I'm already on my third playthrough of the game and really can't be upset after the hours of fun I've had.

[@sheogorath1374]

@@Megaman8880 Hopefully you're right. You don't have to be mad, but talking about it is important, if you just ignore it they may think it's fine to leave things as they are.

[@BigBalvin]

The level 20 mod is the perfect idea to the leveling cap issue. Max one class(main) at 12 and build a multiclass so a second class to 12 or 2 classes to level 6 each or however you want to build it. Keeps the god level spells out but makes you really diverse and strong. Which allows for more xp with what the cut content would of given us

[@ihave2cows]

10:00 that's the beauty of the dark urge character though. You don't HAVE to be an evil, murderous character. You can resist it. And its honestly such a cool and rewarding storyline to explore that really makes you feel like you're meant to be the protagonist instead of a random silent shmuck.

[@zenithrium]

I think it's a good thing they separated them, Durge is such a interesting option but I think it being an option makes it more interesting. Durge doesn't really make sense as a cleric, paladin, monk, or druid really, and I think it would be a disservice if you were forced to have a specific, heavily important backstory no matter what. I also don't really know how they'd do it in multiplayer.

[@hangover89]

(spoilers) I've done 4 playthroughs and I think this was the best one. Having your companions help you through it, stand behind you as you tell Bhaal to fuck off, and the scene where Bhaal kills you for rejecting him is one of the best in the game

[@ohauss]

@@zenithrium The only reason DU doesn't make sense as a monk is because there are no gaps in the story. If one were to grant that there was some time between the DU waking up with amnesia and the start of the story, it could well be that they joined a monk order to learn to keep their urges in check.

[@kiwamihollie]

@@ohausstbf if u go full evil sceleritas will tell u that u grew up away from the bhaal temple and only went there as an adult.. so bc i made a dark urge monk i sorta just rationalised it that she grew up at a monastery before she was a bhaalspawn and went to baldurs gate imo

[@ettaetta439]

​​@@kiwamihollieyeah same, I just said to myself that my guy grew up as a follower of Selune before he finally gave in to the Dark Urge (it's stated in the story that sometimes Bhaal's children will be fighting their urges up until they finally give in). And now he's back on his follower of Selune arc, is a cleric, and is on a path of light and hope, just like his Lady.

[@Morden97]

Definitive edition will absolutely bring a lot of this back. That said, the game is incredibly good, and it's likely much of the cut content didn't pass the bar and was cut for a reason.

[@coldwetn0se172]

I agree with the last part of your comment. Most (if not all game for the past decade or two), will have bits and pieces of cut content. Some will be ideas they started working on, but didn't match with the flow of the story or would alter the balance in gameplay. Others might be something that simply became to resource heavy to implement (time and money constraints). The latter possibility might be added (at least some of it), along with some obvious missing character content and items. We may start getting some of them in Patch #1.0 that Larian has been talking about. However, I do not expect ALL of said cut content to be "restored", nor do I think all of it is necessary. Focusing on the parts that are already hinted at in the current state of the game, and adding in the upper city (or a portion of it), along with the ending epilogues would be great. Whether through patches or a Definitive Edition, either would be welcomed. I will say, that even if we get less than what I mentioned above, this has still been one of the most fun games I have played in years. Grateful to have another fantastic RPG to spend an obnoxious amount of hours playing.

[@rose.i]

It had nothing to do with passing the bar and everything to do with getting the game out a month ahead of starfield. I guarantee everything mentioned in this video will appear in the definitive edition.

[@shawnsmith3959]

@@rose.i That was my initial thought. That this was because of Starfield, but the original, or well, previously planned release date, is coming up soon. 31st? I believe. By the end of this month, do you honestly believe if they'd decided to "keep it in the oven" for just under a month longer, do you honestly believe they would've had sufficient time to add ALL of this? Just the entirety of BG upper city, companion interactions between eachother and multiple endings, Astarion's master actually being fleshed out, explorable Avernus/nine hells being some of the biggest things I feel a little disappointed by, I personally believe those things alone would've taken longer than a month. You're welcome and entitled to your opinion if you think they have sufficient employees that program and work at such a rate that it would've been different, but I'm merely stating, I disagree. However, MAYBE, if they'd decided to push it back YET ANOTHER month, AFTER Starfield, MAYBE, and I mean maybe, I genuienly, really do not know, maybe then they would've had enough time or come close to it. But it pains me to even say or suggest that, because I felt I was one of the most impatient people really fucking itching to play this game, and remember distinctly thinking "I don't even mind if there's a handful of bugs here and there, they can put patches out post launch. I just really want to delve into this already, so badly." and even had prev installed and uninstalled early access at least like 4-5 times and barely managed to avoid jumping in early, as I thought it could potentially burn me out early.

[@maiabones]

​@@rose.iwhich we'll have to pay for again

[@rose.i]

@@maiabones No we won't! you've obviously never played a larian game before lol. They do this all the time. Rush a game out by cutting content then release the definitive edition as a free update about a year later.

[@alexandremachado2019]

we def need the companions interactions, better endings, karlach and upper city as top priorities. would also love to see avernus but thts very weird to implement since the level cap of 12 is too low for a place like it. even tho raphael boss was amazing, being a level 12 character and defeating an all powerful devil is already a big push in dnd.

[@DonPetexX]

On minthara, somebody actually found out that she has lines for wyll. So there was a way to get her as a good guy

[@nova997]

I have minthara AND jahera in my party but. In my evil playthrough I think I could have convinced wyll to be evil though

[@InquisitorThomas]

Based on my understanding if you go into Act 2 without resolving the Tiefling/Goblin conflict Minthara will show up as a recruitable character even if you already have Wyll and Karlach.

[@AzureRoxe]

She has lines for both Wyll and Karlach. A LOT of Minthara's content and reactivity was officially mentioned to be bugged.

[@HiyaCoffee]

I have Minthara + Halsin + Karlach + Wyll. And yes... Minthara and Halsin do have "random banter lines" that I experienced late Act 2 and early Act 3. This game was not finished.

[@jf8350143]

She even has lines for Halsin's quest in chapter 2. It's in the game.

[@chrisspellman5952]

I really preferred the original idea with Daisy. While I think they did the best they could with pivoting the Emperor to the role he had, it feels last minute and lazy. In the game they talk about how people undergo the transformation at different times, and this helps explain why, they gave into the temptation. It also helps push why some companions really want nothing to do with the powers, they didn't trust the dream visitor. Current process, there's 0 change from using no illithid powers to using all of them. I think finding that balance would have made things more interesting. You can see in the MTG and even the special edition statue, the Emperor was an antagonist. And you can tell his 'could be a good guy' plot falls apart super easy. Don't side with him to save him from the brain... eh, he'll just join the brain then. Like, that doesn't make sense narratively. He constantly talks about NOT wanting to go back, to take down the brain, but if you don't follow what he wants... he just goes and does the thing he didn't want to do... it doesn't make sense.

[@MuteObserver]

I seriously agree

[@matman2872]

Isn’t the reason that the emperor returns to the nether brain is cause Orpheus power ain’t protecting him anymore?

[@chrisspellman5952]

@@matman2872 He's not mind controlled. He willingly goes there because he's mad at you but he's not a thrall (if memory serves) when you battle him. Proximity alone (per earlier dialog) was enough to stop him from being controlled.

[@TheMarcHicks]

So, to summarize, if I could choose a handul of things I'd like to see restored in a definitive edition, & which I think is most likely, it'd be: 1. The entirety of the Upper City and all the companion stuff related to it (Cazador & Karlach, mostly). 2. All the Ending Epilogues, even just as still images with voice-over. 3. The entirety of the Minthara & Jaheira romance material. 4. Belts, girdles & crafting. 5. All of the Bane stuff. 6. All of the missing Act 3 character interactions. Everything else is not super important to me, & some of it I think would actually detract from the game, if it was added back in.

[@TheGrego011]

That all sounds awesone, and nahh lemme romance Jaheira, you can sleep with bears and demons but a gilf elf is too far??

[@Battlefieldfan146]

I think an important thing to recognize is that BG3 is a MASSiIVE undertaking, so this content being tossed side almost seemed inevitable. Larian nearly went bankrupt making the game, and a definitive edition seems to rely on the success of the game, which it thankfully has.

[@MuteObserver]

I didn't hear about that part; the near bankruptcy -is that true? In which case, this hopefully recoups losses, and maybe they'll reimplement features or areas in expansions or updates. I love this game so much; I can't stop playing. Began digging into modding and datamined files already. When I got further in or went back and tried a few options off the beaten path and saw how linear certain little things were I felt where polish could be and saw where it clearly wasn't; in other respects it's nothing BUT polish. My first playthrough, probably the most fleshed out path, I did things as something like "lawful good" or just "good" (also, I went as an Elven Druid which was great in Act 1), and that was the clearest most consistent experience imo

[@Lafeon09]

its mind boggling to me how this game is so overwhelmingly massive, yet there is still sooooo much missing that larian planned for us. I really do hope we get a definitive edition with all the missing stuff properly implemented

[@spellandshield]

There WILL be a definitive edition but what it will contain who knows?

[@HANNIBAL30ro]

thats why everyone feels like the romance lines are rushed and appear almost out of nowhere, a lot of dialogues cut which would have made romancing more realistic then what we got. Right now is as ''halsin'' said at the tiefling party, '' a lot of thirsty people around here''. Larian please add the content back, make the game even more epic.

[@bobmishima3295]

Hopefully they balance the evil consequences for Act 1 a little more. Even if Minthara is fully restored in a DE edition losing three companions (two of whom are origins), a lot of tiefling related questlines, and Damon as a shop in Act 3 is brutal.

[@ettaetta439]

They just did! Minthara can be knocked out now. Your prayers have been answered. I always considered Minthara being only available if you're evil just a natural storytelling consequence, but from a gameplay perspective it is way less satisfying.

[@AhDifferentBreed]

I feel like nothing is wrong with jahera romance. Halsin is old too… I feel like the level cap needs to be increased to add in some of these areas. Also if we get the upper area I think this would mean all of the characters stories and romances would be advanced further.

[@lisdraconis2212]

In terms of maturety Halsin is much younger than Jaheira. He is a pure Wood Elf and Elves live up to 750 years. In lore Halsin is 350 years old so not even half his life is over yet. Jaheira as a half elf can normally live up to 180 years. She is 150 in the story so she shows signs of ageing. In short because of their races they are at different life stages. Any Tav who is not an elf will die before Halsin if not interfierred with higher powers.

[@nyanko2077]

A director's cut would be awesome for sure. With the gigantic commercial success it has become, we still might.

[@maiabones]

why do you want to pay for the game twice lmao

[@LiamFarleyMA]

​@@maiabones literally every one of Larians previous enhanced editions has been free for current owners lol

[@heretic3334]

Imagine if Karlach had the opportunity to confront Zariel herself (in Avernus)! That would’ve been so epic 😫

[@fausto6354]

A bunch of lvl 12 could not win

[@Lif__fy]

@@fausto6354 i mean they literely killed raphael. I think that they could do it in some way

[@orishahar]

@@Lif__fynah big big difference in power between raphael and Archdevil Zariel

[@MrBikboi]

@@orishahar If they wanted to they sure could, there is a myriad of different ways they could develop that so it makes sense.

[@somenerd4572]

Raphel is a fucking cambion, the gap between him and zarial is as large as the gap between an imp and him​@@Lif__fy

[@legomojo]

Damn, this is mind blowing. I just finished my first run and almost everything you mentioned was something that I assumed had importance and then didn’t. Besides the epilogues. Obviously my slow playing granted me the boon of having an ending. 😂 I imagine some of this content was cut because you can’t really go about level 12 and I was at that cap by the time I got to the lower city. But if you go about 12 you start getting god like powers.

[@whssy]

Concur with everything you say in this video. I'm nearing the end of my first playthrough and some of the stuff just seems cobbled together compared with the earlier chapters. Also the fights just seem to be an exercise in putting too many enemies in too little space while the player party is in a bottleneck they can't get out of unless the player has prior knowledge from a previous attempt. As an exercise in strategy, that's fine - but as a fun RPG it destroys immersion completely, especially as some of the strategies you DO want to roleplay are broken. One example of this was when I sent a water elemental to soak the explosives a certain NPC is sat on top of near the foundry. Using the water attack ended up causing an explosion and I ended up killing him instead of saving him. WTF? That wouldn't happen in tabletop.

[@SiddarthaTB]

Hopefully there is definitive edition of this game because I love karlach and want to finish her questline properly.

[@roanc3709]

You can finish her quest line properly. The idea that there was a secret good ending that got messed up when the upper city was cut is a myth (as is the upper city being cut). There’s not a single thing in the files to indicate that, and there’s plenty showing that it was meant to be a tragedy. You can’t always win. It’s not a coincidence that it is her heart that is failing.

[@SiddarthaTB]

@@roanc3709 but there are ways to fix it that would be possible in normal dnd. It just the game acting like those methods aren't possible

[@roanc3709]

@@SiddarthaTB accessing those ways to fix it would be an entire adventure in itself. While you can do a LOT with dnd magic, the extremely powerful spells are hard to get. True resurrection would probably be the only way to help karlach (and would first of all require her dying and then being willing to come back) and that is 25,000gp worth of diamonds. Don’t go off the in game economy for this, because it had to be edited to make sense for a video game, gold is a lot harder to come by. Then you need someone who can cast a 9th level spell, which is level 17 which is a VERY high level. Then you have to make a decision, because there’s two members of your party who could really do with a true resurrection spell, and one of them is coming up on the 200 year mark and doesn’t have long left before the spell won’t work. This just isn’t the sort of stuff that’s feasible to do while also fighting an elder brain and saving the world from the grand design, and again, karlach would have to have already died.

[@presidenttogekiss635]

I did my first playtrough as an evil Dark Urge, and while its still superfun, you can defenetly see the loss, such as with minthara. I also think that its a bit cheap to simply remove the dead three as gods for clerics for no reason, and specially Shar. Why is shadowheart the only cleric of shar we can have?

[@TheAusar]

Honestly, the evil route feels completely nonsensical, too. Like there aren't many rational reasons to side with the goblins against the Tieflings, or to kill the harpers (aside being butthurt about Jaheira not trusting you). Gut betrays you as soon as you give her the chance, and a cure at that point it the only thing you could want from the goblins, while the Druids have halsin, who is a very promising lead to a cure. So unless your character is straight up just in it for the thrill of carnage, you have no reason to ever betray the grove. At most you'd ignore it, which is kinda unsatisfying, I guess. Same with the harpers, you have like a clear goal with getting to moonrise, and they assist you the entire time. Killing them does nothing, but setting you back, for the purpouse of getting some blood on your blade. At least in Act 3 siding with Gortash makes actual sense, since his goals and yours would very much align, if you are indeed an evil character.

[@MuteObserver]

I'm running the evil route right now; it just feels like barring myself off from content, more of an afterthought, and the game seems to be playing insanely quickly for it. It only took me a couple hours to get from Act 1 to a Quarter through Act 2, although to be fair I know what I'm doing moreso this playthrough, even if certain events appear in a different order. I am happy they have the choice, the additional cut scenes and differences in dialogue here and there are nice, I'm siding with Minthara and have been siding with the absolute where I can so far to try and get as much difference from this as I can, maybe I can try and take power for myself in Act 3, but Act 3 itself felt so unfinished/unpolished compared to 1 and 2, I had so many more bugs my reload save approach was a must at some points (that Artist's house was hell, and even on successful runs I noticed little things; the wife spoke to me like it was the beginning of the quest after it was all over) I'm expecting a lot more inconsistency as soon as I hit Act 3 with the Dark Urge, as well as more answers because of the characters backstory. I really really pray we get a definitive edition, massive chunks of content added back -even if they were expansions I wouldn't be against paying, although I'd like some cut main story content just in parches.. Maybe that's unrealistic to ask. The devs have the content, I hear many of these cuts were late. I also see a response article from them claiming they trimmed the fat and didn't think it would work, so maybe they stand behind this.. Or maybe it's PR.

[@NikodemCh.]

dont worry all these cut will be added in late future

[@joeferreti9442]

It would be cool if Larian would re-adds some of the cut content in an update at some point in the next few months when they are finished polishing it, especially the upper city or how it's called.

[@Etemuss]

2 Weeks before release Sven was in a podcast and was talking about how he played one sesion and hat an 15 Minutes epiloge and than playing dark urge where most died and he had a 3 Minute Epiloge so they cut the endings out very very late in development like a few weeks before release I guess?

[@moosiemoose1337]

Yeah, what happened to the thousands of different endings?

[@AODFEAR9]

I can only hope Larian will add the raven queen content back and allow her to be a warlock patron 🤞

[@ScytheNoire]

The cut content really helped explain some of the questions I had. I hope they restore it and polish up Act 3 and add an epilogue. I'm will and happy to buy it as an expansion. Already got more than my money's worth.

[@theHeavyMetalHermit]

I want Avernus soooo much. Sure, I want upper city too, but give me Avernus! I would be totally okay with them increasing the amount of experience required to get levels to fit the extra content. Or maybe put an experience cap on each act or something. But this all sounds amazing

[@EnmityTemplar]

Impossible to get to Avernus without raising the level cap, so its impossible to get Avernus. Going to Avernus as a level 12 character will get you slaughtered and slain.

[@Craz3t0wn]

If they do Avernus they should for sure raise the level cap to 14-16

[@theHeavyMetalHermit]

@@EnmityTemplar You do know you can already fight Raphael? How would this be any different? I would expect most Avernus mooks to be way weaker than he is. Commander Zhalk from the prologue is level 8

[@EnmityTemplar]

@@theHeavyMetalHermit I do. And Raphael is one hell of a boss fight, right? Could you deal with dozens of them? Avernus is a literal layer of hell, a battlefield between demons and devils. Fireballs strike the ground out of nowhere, craters fall around. Imps and Quasits fight each other while Erinyes fly around the already burning air pelting the six armed Marilith who waves around Vorpal Scimitars that can BEHEAD people on a critical hit. Oh, did I mention the Pit Fiends and Balors? Generals just a step below Archdevils and Demon Princes like Zariel and Baphomet. If you ever HOPE to make an impact there, you need to be at least level fourteen.

[@thousandyoung]

@@EnmityTemplar You People always give shitty excuses to not increase the Level Cap and for Unfinished Content when you have a lot of Crpgs where you go crazy high level. Stop defending Larian's Lazyness. They just didn't want to work on all that Content for Classes just like they Lied and Cut a lot of Shit just to rush release before Star Citizen.

[@CRAIGMASTER2]

I didn't follow the panels from hell a whole lot but when i visited the House of Hope i remember thinking, "this is it? There's gotta be more to hell than this..." I even tried to go on the balcony and see if there was a way to descend 😂 Also i distinctly remember walking toward the upper city and getting hit with the elder brain debuff and thinking "this is a stupid invisible wall" Not sure why it was cut, leaving it as the epilogue explorable area to tie off everyone's questlines would've been cool too, although it makes more sense for Gortash to be there.

[@GoofBonJovi]

This was the best breakdown of the cut content I agree with everything you said. Great video!

[@joshuaa.5523]

I have come to realize all of this only a couple of days ago when I finally got to Baldur's gate and started looking online for information about the upper city... Then realizing it was cut from the game entirely... Very sad. I mean... It's Baldur's Gate, and the gate is closed... I was very disappointed. It has impacted my enjoyment of the last act of the game quite a bit. I feel like I worked so hard to get here and then have had the rug pulled out. Especially considering that everyone else believed upper city was going to be there right up until launch. I am not consoled much by the final battle apparently being there. The loss of all this content doesn't ruin the game, what it does it take the game from possibly the best game ever made, and reduces it to the game of the year.

[@martaferrerquintero4966]

Much as I loved the game, all this cut content would have made the whole narrative tidier and meaningful. There were points of the story in which I lost sight of what the stakes were and how the different quests added to a cohesive storyline. I think most of us would love a longer game with all these cut content, although I completely understand how that much content would have been extremely daunting for first time players. Let’s hope we get a directors cut at one point!

[@EunoiaRPG]

Right now im happy with the amount of content in the game But I am fairly confident that we will get a definitive edition as you say, since Larian has a history of doing this And it may be a free upgrade if youve bought the game already since Larians done similar in the past

[@hekatebleble4800]

Durge is absolutely my favourite way to play the game but after getting to know them it looks like half of the classes are not compatible with the backstory. When you read texts written by DU's own hand you can tell they were in DEEP. They were the actual god's favourite princess ("Prayer for Forgiveness" in act 2) set strongly in their belief that there should be nothing distracting them from Bhaal's ultimate goal. It's hard to imagine them deviating from the path of maximum carnage at any point, let alone outright disobeying their father (worshipping other gods, swearing an oath etc). Especially under the watchful eye of the Butler (both BG3 and "Blood in Baldur's Gate" browser game hint at them working as a pair almost all the time). Plus, I'd say that even making them be a bard is questionable judging how condescending they were in their letter to Orin (act 3), rebuking her obsession with beauty and art in death and putting their ways above it all.

[@florentcouturier7465]

Agree about the cut content as so that it deepens the character and the lore ! So sad for Karlach which seems so nice !

[@KurenTV]

Really hope they decide to add a fair amount of this back in. I was personally really hoping we'd return to Avernus and was very invested in the Omeluum storyline from EA.

[@glassworktrophic8465]

On the upside of things, there should be a clear roadmap for Larian to follow when deciding what to improve/add to the game, since we know they dont really want to do an expansion. Seems like Act 3 needs an overhaul. Restore and polish that content.

[@thesongoflunch]

That's a point I didn't really consider amongst my own disappointment :D. Larian could genuinely blow our minds with content restoration, however I think they've got the bag now and it would require a huge redesign of certain stories to include the upper city etc... The game ended out just missing out on the absolute (lol) ball bustingly best game ever imo. Act 1 and 2 are just so incredible that I have to look at it in context I guess

[@XYZ-em5vu]

You are mistaking about Tav: Larian killed off the character before the game timeline - intoducing Dark Urge in the process (the "Murder in Baldur's Gate" series). So the "no origin" custom character was actually not a planned option, thus it lacks any story content.

[@johnnymidnight2982]

There is a secret roadmap of "massive" patches to be applied. At least two of them have been mentioned. Not just hotfixes, but game-changing content additions and/or alterations. A revamped inventory and character swap would be nice. Now that I know this game has plenty of cut content, perhaps it will be refined and released into these patches. Because I do feel that some of the game (especially in regard to subclass dialogs), seems anemic. And a boost to level 14 is not unreasonable. Most old-school AD&D campaigns (think the Giants and Slavers series) spanned levels 1-14. This game is fantastic, but I still get a beta feeling about it. Then again, I usually don't buy games until the definitive or GOTY editions are released.

[@AzureRoxe]

When the heck did they mention a roadmap of patches?

[@johnnymidnight2982]

@@AzureRoxe Upon the release of Hotfix4. Swen mentioned 2 coming up,

[@xIronwafflexx]

The fact that there is a lot of good gear you can get, and then the game is just over before you can even put it to much use, now makes sense with all the cut content.

[@MARISALA-SS]

The thing I want back most of all is the companion banter. I feel like EA had more chatter amongst the party than the full release, and it's left a bit of a void in my playthrough. Those chatters made the party feel like a proper group of independent adventurers, it gave them life and personality. I look forward to having that back ❤

[@unknownperson2189]

I really hope Minthara and Wyll get fleshed out. She needs a companion quest where we can either let her be her evil self or fix her like we do shart and vamp boy. And Wyll well he just needs a LOT of work.

[@emceeunderdogrising]

Larian has a lot of money now. They aren't running out. Sales are 8 times projections. So they need to sit down and put in as much of this missing content as possible for the definitive edition.

[@GeanAmiraku]

I thought the dialogue with Bane simply bugged for me, didn't know it was actually missing the voice lines. Karlach's end is infuriating to me, I really thought that gnomes that worked the steelwatch engines were the solution to her predicament. Really wish we had Helia, too. We really just have humans and humans with longer ears as companions -- I want my shorter humans as main characters!

[@andersonfalavinha]

I think Alfira was probably a companion cut too, we have quests in act 2 to play songs to call the drider and wake up the lost flaming fist while the Halsin arc seems very half-assed not even mentioning that we don't need 2 druids

[@kahate7328]

yeah, getting alfira instead of jaheira is better

[@SaltandDragons]

If I remember correctly more Minthara content has been confirmed in patch 7

[@bellaluna002]

I always felt that The Dark Urge was meant to be the main character! I understand why they separated Durge and Tav, but once you play Durge... damn, man, the story just IS better. There's higher stakes & can be thought-provoking. You really can tell that Durge was meant to be the main character this whole time 😭

[@MrBandoftheHawk]

I picked dark urge for my first playthrough and it killed my buzz playing through as a normal custom character I thought you'd get a patron that played a role in the game like wyll does with mizora and like scelaritas.

[@mikemaguire151]

I think a thing to keep in mind is how massively larain underestimated the success of bg3 they made well over 10 times the amount they expected meaning they now have this huge budget they werent expecting and are still figuring out what they're going to do i wouldn't ne surprised if they were worried about bg3 barely breaking even sense they were expecting a much much smaller player count

[@lordodin5755]

"The companion that dissapoints us the most is Karlach" May i introduce you to Minthara

[@miravlix]

Sven already told us "I'm done with this and have moved on to other project". Some of the things he started saying in interview was like someone had a severe case of burnout or depression over the game.

[@thousandyoung]

So that's why we should excuse these kind of Practices in the Industry? Because Sven is Tired? LOL.

[@kharngotrekson1726]

@@thousandyoung They got shit ton of money and dropped it. Reminds me of Expeditions Rome devs did.

[@Zoocsgo]

The fact there is so much cut content especially in 3rd act and this game is still the best rpg I've played. Amazing. The definitive edition will be even better if they add this stuff.

[@crusaderpr7683]

I also think that the romance route of the emperor was cut heavily because you only have 1 encounter with him and thats it is never mention again and in the end there is no special dialogue nor mention of it i felt heart broken😢

[@lostzephyr2191]

I'm hoping that they put all the cut companion content back into the game.

[@BrodyWoelke]

Okay this explains alot, also why the upper city was locked off for the entirety of act 3. I thought that it was very strange

[@reakonous5434]

Just imagine if avernus was avaliable with Tiamat and you interact with her with wyll in your party that would be an interesting experience since he took down a part of her cult in his past and whit Tiamat being a God she'll be well aware of wyll and what he's responsible for and and will having hatred for Tiamat for being the route cause of his pact being formed

[@t.i.s4481]

Am I the only one who remember that if you played with your friend there were moments when you and your friend's character could talk with one another that was voiced?

[@MrAxeside]

I can actually see how the level cap in the game would make Larian have to make some major decisions about the size of the game as a whole through experience and standard DND aesthetic.

[@mohammedal-shaikhli5346]

The owlbear cub growing up instantly was clearly something cut too

[@nickfiore2068]

Why would it be weird to romance jaheira, like older folks still have relationships, sexual and otherwise. I mean its also not even an age thing considering you RP whatever age you would like. Also you can romance a literal demon and succubus, but I guess older women are a no go lol.

[@Holyduck777]

Found the Grammy smasher

[@Darkfie1d]

So, I have played multiple characters so far but when I get to Act III it's so clear that there are missing stuff that completely demotivates me from finishing the Act III so I go back and create a new character. I wish they had focused on that rather than splitting focus on console ports. Hope it happens sooner rather than latter.

[@powerchoke1]

Hopefully they add two evil companions to the game and expand on the evil playthrough. A lot seems to be missing for that aswell. Imagine an entire storyline about usurping the role of the chosen of the dead three and the cult of the absolute. Some of your companions could step into their new roles as chosen with you. Leading to a new triumphirate which could backstab each other or keep working together.

[@HexCypherr]

i aint going to lie playing an evil warlock thats half ilithid with gale trying to take the crown shadowheart overthrow the mother and laezel turning on her people kinda felt like this

[@lisdraconis2212]

The existing characters are mostly neutral alligned. You can push them into either direction. For the ultimate evil playthrough I recommend to romance Astarion with Durge, ensble him every time he talks about power. Let him ascent and then in the end take Baahls gift. Astarion will think he has the upper hand over you. Until you take over the Absolute and make him a Thrall. Once again enslaved and not even aware of it...

[@Ruffster]

Difference between find tidbits of text when datamine and actual content that can be considered cut contet of any weight and value that can be easly put back in. If there was, modders could done it easy. tidbits of text alone isn't enough lego blocks to do that.

[@MandoLauren17]

Well, we got the epilogue(s) in patch 5, so there’s definitely hope for them adding more cut content ✌️

[@zekekillah]

Im using mods where i can play as baretha. She had a cutscene in act 2. I was like wtf. blew my mind. maybe she was meant to be a recruitable character at some point

[@MuteObserver]

Could you elaborate? :o I'm hoping to see a recording of this somewhere, anywhere! - I've used mods to add characters to party early and found dialogue commenting on events, but this kind of thing is what I'm really searching for at the moment.

[@kenpachi1989]

honestly considering how much care they put into the game and it being more successful than they anticipated, I'd be surprised if they don't add the upper city and the other stuff at some point for free.

[@toomanytamales1323]

this make sense as to why act 3 fell off so hard and I thought my goal was to get to the upper city which got me confused I thought there was more story to be had and I guess I was right.

[@DefaultName-du3kr]

The biggest missed opportunity for me was the change made to the parasite. I really liked the concept of it trying to corrupt you with those dreams and visions of power.

[@andreweaston1779]

Playing an half elf sorceror who went all in on tadpole powers. That should have tanked his charisma. He looked creepy and scary with a hood on and a glowing green staff.

[@TheBobolicious]

That Raven queen connects to that justice druid in Shadowfell. The one that makes you do a trial for a dead soul.

[@ZulatobariGreatforge]

I have to imagine there are cut subclasses as well, since we *see* some of those subclasses used by enemies. Oath of Conquest paladins, Undead Patron Warlocks, and Order Domain Clerics too!

[@Khantia]

Oh yes, I totally agree. People are constantly asking for an DLC, and it does sound like there is enough content to make one. Even if it's not in the form of an "DLC" but rather "Definitive edition". I'd love to be able to play as a werewolf, or save Karlach :P and all these other things mentioned.

[@Xokoy]

I don't normally leave a second comment on videos but here it is. The problem with higher levels is simply that spells get way stronger. Obviously, as you seem to be more than aware (given your knowledge of the Raven Queen for a start), BG is set in the D&D universe with BG3 using a modified version of 5E. Take a look at some of the 7th level spells. The example I like to use is regenerate. That's basically "fix Karlach's story in the space of a minute" in spell form that doesn't even cost anything in 5E (and they removed spell components other than verbal for the sake of things like silence, even for powerful spells like greater restoration). Point is, spell casters in 5E start off weak but their power scaling is exponential. Martials start off quite a bit stronger but their power scaling is linear. If they kept up and actually stayed reasonably true to 5E with spells like teleport, plane shift, simulacrum, regenerate, temple of the gods, finger of death...you get the idea, these are ultra powerful spells that have the potential to completely break the balance of the game, trivialise large parts of the conflict within the story or give the developers an obscene amount of work to do. We're not just talking about having to redo the whole area of acts 1 and 2 to include what they look like when half the NPCs have moved to Baldur's Gate, but spells like plane shift demand that they sit there and make more than just the material plane and a single layer of the nine hells. Given the story and how it goes, Lae'zel fans would probably want to take her to the astral sea. Others would want more than the glimpse that we got of the Shadowfel. Carceri, Limbo, Mount Celestia, the Beastlands, Pandemonium...each of these have multiple layers to them on top of the examples I gave before. What's worse is Mizora's night of passion would inspire a lot of players to want to go to the other layers of the nine hells. That's one spell, mind you. Sure, they could cut that spell out from the list like they did with many others, but there aren't that many 7th level spells. And I mentioned the problem with regenerate. Simulacrum is effectively a carbon copy of your DPS as a 5th party member who can't be healed, finger of death gives infinite zombies, teleport is what I talked about having to create a later version of earlier game zones with the grove under new management, the aftermath of the shadowlands potentially being healed. Temple of the gods basically blocks the ability for 75% of night time events to happen, and it allows you to do things that you shouldn't be able to do for story reasons, like giving Wyll refuge from Mizora or Astarion getting a place that Cazador can't possibly touch, or a place that Raphael or the Emperor can't spy on you while you're inside of. The pickings get slimmer and slimmer for what could seriously make the cut out of the already small pool of 7th level spells.

[@5anctuary]

When I reached act 3 it felt like I was playing a different game for the worst. I stopped playing and encountered videos about cut content, it really demotivated me from finishing the game. I've decided to wait for an eventual definitive edition and not ruin my experience with this great game. Really do hope they release one.

[@mediumvillain]

The worst thing about being a fan of CRPGs is the final act curse. It's been with us for at least 25 years. Sometimes it's a 3rd act, sometimes its the last ~20% of the game, sometimes its just a final dungeon and sometimes its only the ending itself, but the bigger, more ambitious, the more choice, freedom & depth is offered to players early in the game, the more cut content there is later in the game, the more player railroading, linearity, annoying final dungeons or boss rush endings, and unfinished or hastily thrown together character & quest resolutions.