LOL. I was looking at your Quench bucket thinking 'he has one bucket inside the one with the lid. great idea'. Two seconds later you explained it like you were responding to my thought.
@JarlSeamus5 жыл бұрын
Even though it's a super simple tool, it was a terrific refresher on heat treating "old school" without an oven. Fundamentals matter and should be refreshed periodically.
@troycorliss57012 жыл бұрын
This technique applies to any variety of punches needed in the shop. Well explained! Thanks for a short and tasty video.
@jhawk763 жыл бұрын
John, thanks for all of your great videos. You explain things so clearly, and take time to demonstrate a lot of little details that others often omit. I've learned a lot from watching your content. I'm glad I didn't try to get started blacksmithing based on that one very popular knife forging show. You're awesome!
@6Sally5 Жыл бұрын
We moved into a house that has scrap sucker rod in abundance…..the property fence is made with it! While I’m disappointed to learn it’s not good for knife making, I am very happy I can make a bunch of forging tools! Thank so much for this….of to the shop I go!
@joshuaprice81712 жыл бұрын
Good video John! You did a great job explaining the heat treating process in this one.
@JacksonDunnoKnows Жыл бұрын
You never fail to be a great help Mr bear! I've been slowly growing and growing and now I'm in need of more tools! Who would have guessed huh? Ha! I've been doing alot of mjölnir pendants and have gotten really good. But now I want to start adding more detail to em that just a flat planished look. That and I want to get better at animal/demon heads and skulls. Need some better ball and eye hole punches. What I'm using now for ball punches are some old center punches that I had and ground to shape. But they be getting a bit beat up. As always, thanks you John!
@thealicemonster92175 жыл бұрын
1k likes 0 dislikes... Just the way it should be on this channel. 😊 Keep up the good work.
@Bobsutubes3 жыл бұрын
Very good & quick course in heat treatments. Thx.
@jamesaldridge4381 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the timing .
@Ekanselter9 ай бұрын
Excellent tutorial on working with sucker rod.
@BIGDOGFORGE5 жыл бұрын
Thanks John I have never used sucker rod before Its not available in my part of the country But a viewer sent me a bunch of it. Thanks for the info and the demo. Keep up the good work and I look forward to the next one.
@ChristCenteredIronworks5 жыл бұрын
Things get really interesting when you pair this with air tooling :-) and loud LOL great video John God bless you and thank you for the post...
@BlackBearForge5 жыл бұрын
I need to explore air tooling more, I have a friend that uses a variety of large industrial air guns with great effect.
@ChristCenteredIronworks5 жыл бұрын
@@BlackBearForge its a lot of fun and you can really power through material but bad for camera work or hearing your own thoughts lol...keep having fun John and thanks for the reply!
@KevinSmith-gh5ze5 жыл бұрын
Good idea Roy. I'm going to play around with that. I'll bet it would make quick work of that pea pod scroll.
@steelpennyforge51525 жыл бұрын
Always love the make a tool videos! Looking forward to the rivet tool videos!!
@KelseyWildstone3 жыл бұрын
Sir, your videos are excellent! I appreciate you making them :)
@johnjude26775 жыл бұрын
I will get my rivet punch tool today if I am not rain out for my little " shed shop" Also has my compass cut out ready to forage and shaped and ready for nice job on rivits. Again Thanks you Sir.You are great at what you are doing.
@2Days16Hours5 жыл бұрын
A great simple tool for a beginner like me to make Thanks for the video Black Bear!
@lenblacksmith85595 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this, and the heat treating is a good reminder on how heat treating was done, I do it this way all the time and it serves me well.
@TheOldaz14 жыл бұрын
It's all been said, thanks John.
@jjfusber36945 жыл бұрын
I am very glad to see you forging again on camera thanks for all the help
@MrDgproctor5 жыл бұрын
Always enjoy your vids.... That "insect" you mention is commonly called a "Grasshopper" in Texas where in the panhandle where I grew up were quite common.
@RyanSadusky5 жыл бұрын
Ha ha! That was me, I've asked him what sucker rod was. Thank you John for this video!
@BlackBearForge5 жыл бұрын
Only one of many
@OuroborosArmory5 жыл бұрын
Good point on the color differences. Even the outside sunlight can change your video colors for us to see :)
@jeffsandling59815 жыл бұрын
Great video John! Love the tip on using the safety rag bin. Think I'll go that route. I keep a piece of 16ga scrap sheet next to mine for that purpose and have often worried about knocking the oil can over if you happen to panic a little. I hear you on the lighting, just changed my fluorescent lights to Led's and cracked 3of 5 chisels I made being used to the colors I used to see...thanks for your time John...really looking forward to making my calipers!
@hannemannironworks16515 жыл бұрын
Great video on ball punches and old school tempering thank you John!
@yorkshirejoinery28695 жыл бұрын
Really great content, thank you!
@3870TheDad5 жыл бұрын
What a great video on hardening and tempering!!! You are such a great teacher. Thanks John.
@thijs35145 жыл бұрын
Nice informative video! Made me laugh at around 8 minutes: which existed first, the ball punch or the header...
@TomokosEnterprize5 жыл бұрын
Great now to see a set grow. Tools like this are well worth the time to make them. Thanks John.
@johnportwood62235 жыл бұрын
Good job Thanks God Bess
@MrDukaman5 жыл бұрын
I need to make a few of them in different sizes. Perfect timing again .....thx again......Paul
@GWIRailroad5 жыл бұрын
Another great video, I look forward to building confidence in heat treating, this was a big help. Thank You Wayne!!
@BryantWalker-m6e Жыл бұрын
Aho the Hell is Wayne?
@Jeffsmetalworks5 жыл бұрын
great video john, I need to make me somemore punces, ball bunch I need to do, thank you
@brettsayers77685 жыл бұрын
Some great tips there on heat treating. they will be used in future projects that's for sure,. Great video John.
@maknifeandrods77015 жыл бұрын
Since I’m still saving for my electric oven. I usually use 1095,1084,1075 steel and use a magnet to get to temperature. When it is no longer magnetic I place it back in to bring it up slightly more then quench.
@BlackBearForge5 жыл бұрын
That works pretty well for those simple steels but becomes less reliable for higher alloy steels.
@5x5355 жыл бұрын
Another really excellent video, John. You just can't hear this stuff too much when you are still a relative beginner and every time I hear it something else jumps out. I'm sure glad that you used the new double caliper, every time I see a dial caliper I cringe. Would a lesson on how your gas forge is plumbed and how you adjust it, turn off&on, pressures used, your elevation and any of the other bits of wisdom that you have gathered be possible? I have a Chili just like yours and have troubles getting it up to welding temperature and when I try to turn it down to an idle it wants to suck the flame back etc.
@HomeShowTV4 жыл бұрын
Excellent as always. I wonder if anyone could tell me: Is there a book that references different steels and how they react to the various hardening/tempering techniques? Perhaps an engineering reference book if there are none directly aimed at blacksmiths?
@sonicfreak044 жыл бұрын
I just thought of something, why do crossguards have ball ends?
@canuckloyalist46815 жыл бұрын
Looks a little warmer in your shop than it has been. I need heat in mine, just working till my feet get too cold to feel then I call it quits.
@BlackBearForge5 жыл бұрын
For a few days anyway. February is generally when things start to seem a bit less cold.
@canuckloyalist46815 жыл бұрын
Weatherman is calling for a blizzard here in a couple of days...but on the bright side of things it is going to warm up a bit!
@paulorchard79604 жыл бұрын
Found this video cause I need a rivet set Im guessing and hoping coil spring, which I have, will do the job? I expect it will, use very often for hot punches and although I sometimes break them overall coil spring does that job!
@BlackBearForge4 жыл бұрын
Yes it will
@stephniewilliams93505 жыл бұрын
Could you do an episode talking about different types of quenches? Oil versus water... different types of oil.. different temperatures of water
@sjsblacksmith16935 жыл бұрын
A quick overview of quenchants. Water: good for mild steels 1018, AS36, up through 1045-1050 plain Jane straight carbon steel, Atlantic 33, and W1. Salt Water: slightly faster quench, will push the hardest of medium carbon steels, like 1045-1050, and W1, W2, W3. It is a harsher quench, and can produce more distortion, especially in thin cross section, or intricate shapes. Oil: 1060-1095 plain carbon steels, 4130, 4140, 5160, 52100, and O1. Some steels like Air hardening tool steels like S7 can be pushed to a higher hardness by using an interupted oil quench. Don't try this on thin cross sections... Quench just the working end of the tool in oil to take most of the color out of the steel, but leave it glowing just a bit around 1000 degrees. Then bury the struck end of the tool in ashes, lime, vermiculite, or wrap on kaolwool. Then put a fan near the piece to circulate air. Air: A2, A6, A8, D2(not home shop friendly), S1, S3, S7, H13. If you buy know steel, you can often get spec sheets for that steel which will give you all the best treatment data you need. Brine/salt water isn't used very much anymore.
@FornaxusCrucible5 жыл бұрын
Loved your treatise on judging heat color, and now video is completely unreliable for this. Always informative!
@raymondblacklock5 жыл бұрын
cherry red is 1800 and white hot is 5000
@v.l.95605 жыл бұрын
Another great demo video......well done!
@lisi2012ful5 жыл бұрын
Perfect like 914/0.
@michaeld69682 жыл бұрын
I like the safety can around the oil can, great safety tip. What do you use for oil John?
@BlackBearForge2 жыл бұрын
I bought a commercially available quenching oil. Can't recall the brand
@michaeld69682 жыл бұрын
@@BlackBearForge Thank You, I'll find some..
@joelhull34735 жыл бұрын
What kind of oil do you use for quenching?
@billssmithy73522 жыл бұрын
Re-re-rewatching as I just obtained a bunch of spring steel. A not-so short question regarding forming the ball. IF you took the rivet, drove the head into a yellow hot piece of flat steel, let it cool, then heated the pre-shaped sucker rod and drove it into the depression, how would that work in forming the ball to fit the rivet?
@BlackBearForge2 жыл бұрын
It should work fine
@MafkACE Жыл бұрын
I had the same thought, to make the river header, set the rivet in the vise, and drive the hot header onto it.
@idahobob1735 жыл бұрын
Where did you get that fine vermiculite powder? I only found lots of sources offering coarse granular vermiculite.
@BlackBearForge5 жыл бұрын
It starts off as the coarser stuff and just gets worn down over the years.
@donoday81015 жыл бұрын
Is there a link for the color guide for tempering?
@Jason-jd1jv5 жыл бұрын
As a colorblind person, I find it nearly impossible to determine the color of my steel. I can tell the difference between red and yellow but that's about it. Any tips for such a situation? I use charcoal in my forge because coal is just not available here as far as I can find. I don't know if that makes a difference or not. I have an especially hard time forge welding since I can't tell what the color of the metal is. So far I've gotten lucky a few times but mostly I either pull it out too early or too late. I've burned up quite a bit of metal trying to forge weld. I just can't seem to home in on the sweet spot.
@BlackBearForge5 жыл бұрын
I wonder if you can see a difference in the intensity of the light given off. It might be worth trying a gas forge for forging and welding so that once you learn what happens at different pressure setting you can just set the pressure for the desired heat range. For heat treating an electric oven might be best.
@GibClark5 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍👍👍👍
@flybyscy3 жыл бұрын
Can you use pearlite instead of vermiculite for annealing?
@BlackBearForge3 жыл бұрын
Sure
@MissMaarten20045 жыл бұрын
Hi John, for oil hardening steels, what are your thoughts about using water instead of oil for the second quench? Some do this because it will "freeze" the steel quicker, others never do it because it causes stress... Me, I have no idea.
@BlackBearForge5 жыл бұрын
While it should be OK, it is probably better to quench in the same medium. Unless its one of the steels that require a cryogenic quench after tempering
@stanervin61085 жыл бұрын
You made it! Was looking forward to this video, John! First comment (can't claim first view, you did that! ). 🐾🔥⚒
@towelltom5 жыл бұрын
love your video do you till use the Sony FDRAX33 and ECMW1M
@BlackBearForge5 жыл бұрын
The Sony has been in for repairs for a few months, but should be back soon. I have started using a Rode wireless lav for the sound.
@mikechapple23635 жыл бұрын
What are suspension coil springs typically made of? I have a lot of it and am always trying to add to my punch collection.
@shadetreeforge5 жыл бұрын
most coil springs are 5160
@mikechapple23635 жыл бұрын
@@shadetreeforge thanks, Frank!
@safety3rdforge2455 жыл бұрын
I was wondering if you know how an A2 steel would compare with S7 for making tools?
@sjsblacksmith16935 жыл бұрын
A2 is a good wear resistant durable steel for cold work. It is demensionally stable through heat treatment, so you can grind precise shapes, and they will be stable through heat treatment. Good uses center punch, cold working chasing and repose' tools, punch and stamping dies for cold work on a fly press. S7 is Shock resistant steel, it is normally air hardening, but greater hardness can be achieved with an interupted oil quench in some cases. S7 has decent hot working properties, and is suitable for running chisels, drifts, punches, and set tools. H13 is an air hardening Hot work steel. It is nice for slitting chisels, drifts, hacks, hot cuts, and punches. With all of these air hardening steels you need to be very careful with attempting to differentially harden them, or temper back the struck end of the tool. If you allow the whole tool to harden it will likely be harder than your forging hammer, and put a bunch of lovely dents in your hammer face. Not to mention the risk of the struck end spalling. H13 you can raise the struck end to almost showing color 900-1000 and then cool slowly in ashes, lime, vermiculite, or wrapped in kaolwool with a fan on the working end. To differentially harden, raise the working end to critical temperature, and bury the struck end in ashes, etc. You can also make a bolster out of a heavy chunk is steel get that hot with the piece and stick the struck end in the hot bolster to cool. With a fan circulating the air around the working end of the tool. S7 and A2 can probably be treated much the same way though the tempering temperature should be a little lower, check the specs... Hope that helps 😊
@safety3rdforge2455 жыл бұрын
SJS Blacksmith that is awesome thank you!!!
@getoverit48875 жыл бұрын
I can probably get suckered rod by the ton lol there are several oil companies and well companies within a 60 mile radius.
@standaffern65955 жыл бұрын
Would used hydraulic fluid be a good medium for a heat treat medium? I have about 20 gallons from oil changes of my farm tractor.
@BlackBearForge5 жыл бұрын
It is discouraged for a number of reasons. Heat treat oils for industry are designed for a specific cooling rate, who know what rate transmission fluid cools at. Used oils have contaminants that can cause trouble with steel by adding unknown properties. The more additives and unknowns in the oil the word=se it is for your health (although any oil smoke is bad to breath)
@KevinSmith-gh5ze5 жыл бұрын
Hydraulic fluid is really nasty stuff. I wouldn't want to breath the smoke from that. If you decide to try it do yourself a favor and wear a respirator.
@ericseegers60385 жыл бұрын
Also what kind of oil are you quenching in?
@BlackBearForge5 жыл бұрын
I use a commercial oil meant for heat treating
@matthewtomes93965 жыл бұрын
You made a rivet header in a previous video by just using a rivet. So why not again?
@BlackBearForge5 жыл бұрын
Because I like to show alternatives, plus this gives me a ball tool in a size I didn't have
@Slickheadhunter5 жыл бұрын
I'm looking into getting my own forge, do you have any insight with Majestic forge?
@johnathondyson1405 жыл бұрын
Slickheadhunter I had one. I couldn’t get it hot enough to forge weld. I just replaced it with a NC forge I love it.
@Slickheadhunter5 жыл бұрын
Johnathon Dyson how many burners did you have? I'm looking at the three burner model. I'll have a look at the NC's as well
@johnathondyson1405 жыл бұрын
I had the two burner majestic. And the NC is also two burner with open ends. 15-20 minutes it’s at forge weld temp.
@Slickheadhunter5 жыл бұрын
Johnathon Dyson thanks!
@Biggsy83245 жыл бұрын
John, What type of oil do you recommend for heat treating/quenching?
@erniew58055 жыл бұрын
i think if you look through John's videos he does tell about oil for hardening. do remember the don't use used motor oil.
@mitchelperkins67235 жыл бұрын
For basic blacksmith punches and chisels plain old inexpensive vegetable oil works fine. I've made nearly 100 punches from sucker rod, 4130 and 4140. All old school hardened and tempered. Haven't had any issues with them. I make most hot cut tooling now from H13 as it is much more durable for hot work. And have recently remade all my most used drifts from S7. It stands up better to impact than most other steels. Great video on this topic as well.
@ericseegers60385 жыл бұрын
Sir, can you tell me the hardness difference between 4140 and S7?
@BlackBearForge5 жыл бұрын
4140 is around 56 and S7 61
@Joe_for_real10 ай бұрын
I'm working through a lot of BBF videos that I have already watched. Here is a comment from the algorithm. Do you think that the algorithm has logic to determine if the commenter mentions the algorithm which would make the algorithm downgrade that comment? No one can know unless the algorithm becomes open source.
@danielcrawford73155 жыл бұрын
Lmbo! That belt looks like me trying to walk 😆😆😆 Now the important part. Nice video sirSir lots of good information on steels and quench/ hardening. Very enjoyable watch. Thank you Mr. John Blessed days sirSir, Crawford out