Ballistic Identification Technology

[@Kruk1975]

So how much of a “finger print” is this. Cause this looks a whole lot like ‘meh close enough, send em to jail!’

[@henryfisher7068]

Fingerprint identification is like that too.

[@docdominus]

RIP if they use a revolver.

[@justaguy4real]

Liberals will try by to ban or outlaw those soon too

[@mofogie]

Revolver doesn't have rifling? You sure?

[@rush2124u2]

A 12 gauge shotgun with buckshot is rather effective and untraceable

[@zoomer5700]

@@mofogie there's definitely smooth bore revolvers

[@TheProverbialHater]

@@mofogie They do, but it's illegal... Well, not illegal, but it's recognized as a shotgun and must be treated as such or it becomes illegal.

[@imcurious1009]

to demonstrate this fully, you could included a bullet that was not connected to that gun so we can see the difference between them as well. Is there a lot of difference between these patterns from gun to gun?

[@keithl8300]

Most modern firearms are made by cnc, eliminating the differences between them and the thousands of identical copies that exist.

[@imcurious1009]

@@keithl8300 So is ballistics as a whole a dodgy science?.. or just this section of ballistics that examines an unfired bullet that has been ejected?

[@ramsexy7w7]

It's not. I use the IBIS on a daily basis (working with forensics laboratory). The IBIS is undoubtedly a helpful tool but it is just one of many elements to be analized in ballistic elements. It's something quite complicated to explain but there's always a difference. I've seen consecutive serial numbers in firearms that are the hardest to differentiate but never identical.

[@richbum3725]

You could always use a revolver or shotgun. You can swap out the firing pins in most firearms and you can switch out an upper reciever on an ar15.

[@keithl8300]

Shhhh...

[@vitalityfox]

In order for these assholes to even do this they have to have the exact gun to test fire it in order to make the comparison. As far as I'm concerned if you blow somebody away as long as you wore gloves when loading the gun and they have nothing to compare it to then there whole science is for fucking nothing. Most criminals just throw it away in the water after a crime is committed so they aren't later caught with the gun. If you're a professional hitman you could just buy a different barrel for the gun and only use it for when you're committing criminal activity. Also be sure to have a separate pair of shoes just for criminal activity.

[@1234567890sunshine]

Looking at his comparisons between the reference and his database sample, sure there were a few similarities, but there were a few differences I could notice with the naked eye. Being that all guns are factory made the same, I don't feel like you could realistically differentiate between 2 of the same model gun with 100% certainty. Prosecutors probably just claim that ballistics found a match to lock people up (but did they really find a match???).

[@johnadams-wp2yb]

I've argued your point for ages. I even wrote to the forensic dept. at Scotland yard saying that 2 pistols from the same factory line would be identical, as cnc cut. They did not reply.

[@1234567890sunshine]

It makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills that such "evidence" is even admissible in some cases.@@johnadams-wp2yb

[@MrRaphymaluleke]

According to my technical understanding. If both guns are from the same factory and are still new, the difference is not identifiable, the cnc cutting is set the same. But with old guns which fired different number of shots the guns marking becomes way different and can help with upto about 95% accuracy. Secondly, how the gun is maintained or handled through out its life span has an effect on its marking or fingerprint, this difference also helps in marching the gun. It's a lot of work and attention to details is extremely important.

[@slftr5139]

@@MrRaphymaluleke, there will still be very minor difference between two identical models made even one after another. Although CNC machining is extraordinarily accurate for practical purposes, there are still going to be non-zero tolerances - variables such as the sharpness of the cutting utensils, temperature of the cutting utensil/factory temperature, and very slight imperfections in the material being milled can cause microscopic changes in the rifling pattern/firing pin shape. However, ballistics has proven to be unreliable, at best, with a false match being made in 1 out of 63 cases. Unfortunately, people tend to see expert opinions on firearms matched to bullets recovered from crime scenes as fact, and if that’s all the evidence the prosecution has against an individual being accused of an indictable offence, then it’s not unlikely that the accused will potentially be found guilty of a serious offence (such as murder in the first degree), when they might in fact be completely innocent, just unlucky. If a criminal really wanted to, they could easily change the so-called “fingerprint” of their firearm to detach themselves/their weapon from crimes they’ve committed. Obfuscation of the rifling pattern can be achieved via passing a rifling button through the barrel multiple times, or even just using a wire brush quite vigorously. The firing pin can then be modified slightly using something such as a file, or a new firing pin/barrel combination can be installed, and the old ones can be destroyed/discarded. It’s not a bullet-proof source of evidence (no pun intended), but if there’s other pieces of evidence that would suggest that an individual has committed an indictable offence using a firearm recovered from their possession, then it should be served as nothing more than a suggestion that the firearm was likely used, but still not treated as fact.

[@joshuarowan184]

Where do I get one of those huge cartridges with imprints? Need one for teaching!

[@RoxyProd]

I work in a store that sells them

[@evanthompson8925]

@@RoxyProdwhat is the contact information for the store that sells the demo bullets/cartridge cases

[@michaelj.mccall6530]

It’s actually really cool to see the methods that people use to keep us safe!!

[@Gigadramon6]

Ballistics fingerprinting, like what's talked about in this video has actually never been used to solve even a single crime. So, they really don't "keep us safe" as much as they piss away copious amount of money.

[@Gokuguy1243]

@@Gigadramon6 ? that's not even remotely true

[@jameskim2007]

So Glock is the most common handgun overwhelmingly, so if you change the barrel and firing pin and recoil spring, which takes less then 5 minutes, your reading will be rendered useless? Not trying to give criminals ideas, just naturally curious

[@Gokuguy1243]

Barrel would affect the recovered bullets for sure, probably making the comparison between bullets useless. As for the recovered cartridge cases being rendered useless because of differing firing pins, that's not necessarily true. The breechface impression will still be comparable as well as any aperture shear present and potentially other surfaces (Ejector marks). But yes, if you really know firearm forensics, you can try to game the system. Even using certain types of firearms that are known to mark poorly. But for every diligent prepared criminal you have 1000 more who aren't. So it's still a useful practice even if it's not perfect. I mean you can always wipe your fingerprints or wear gloves (easier IMO than modifying firearms), but no one seems to dismiss the fingerprinting practice

[@jameskim2007]

@@Gokuguy1243 so if someone had this well planned out, wiped finger prints off ammo, and basically had a new Glock slide or upper with all new internals which can be bought for $100, committed the murder and swapped back slides which take literally 5 seconds and destroyed the old slide, there’s no way ammo can be tied to the frame of the Glock since it’s the frame that actually ties the weapon to the owner of the gun.

[@donharrington8950]

After he tried shooting me he stole over 50 grand worth of rare cards and later attacked me on Thanksgiving for no reason

[@marycrismillondaga1400]

Ballistics identification is one way to help and narrow the crime investigation.

[@UPxYOURs2]

🤡

[@RoxyProd]

Nah it’s actually a waste of money and inaccurate

[@thedevilsadvocate886]

If I recall correctly, Dan and Wesson makes a revolver with an interchangeable barrel.

[@joshuaraley686]

cool so if a gun gets seized just replace the barrel

[@xiaodou1748]

what? didnt make any sense. there is hundreds and thousands of after markets barrles and firing pins, for hand guns even the whole upper slide with everything in it .

[@burtreynolds3143]

besides the fact that guns are mass produced creating the same tool marks over and over. So, basically almost any gun of same make and model will match the crime gun.

[@danceswithghostsquickspiri697]

Burt Reynolds what about rifled barrels of pistols and rifles, they are all connected to the serial number of the gun are they not? And that’s your number is connected to your purchase recorded and documented by your FFL gun dealer.

[@ilikerice7072]

who else in ms roberson class

[@flipthomas4738]

Fuck her!

[@woonsockettruthseeker9009]

So 1 high point 9mm will have diffrent ferensic ballistics than another high point 9mm?

[@Rambo1855.]

Yes

[@Rambo1855.]

It is the slight differences in material and also toolmarks from the rifling that are different on a microscopic level

[@woonsockettruthseeker9009]

@@Rambo1855. HOW? They come off an assembly line. Made from exactly same materials. Exactly same twist rate.

[@footba11fan41ife]

@@woonsockettruthseeker9009you’re correct my man this is the BS prosecutors use to screw people over. It’s not accurate in the least.

[@johnpauldagondong2720]

I have a question: would they be able to trace back where the bullet come from if example, the victim fell into the water and only found like three days later. Also, would they trace the angle where he was shot, like if the bullet came from his back or in front?

[@thetayterminator1436]

This is oddly specific… got something you want to fess up too?

[@johnpauldagondong2720]

@@thetayterminator1436 yes. i am writing a novel lol

[@vandal5294]

hypothetically speaking 😂😂

[@tsunamiassault]

If they conducted an autopsy to the victim's body, then yes, they could determine the entry and exit point of the bullet. After they determined the entry and exit point, they can also determine where the bullet came from or where shooter was when he/she shot the victim.

[@Thabzalzk]

Yes within 3 days that bullet would nt be so rusted. Second question ...yes particularly if there s entrance bullet hole and exit bullet hole. During autopsy that can be established

[@donharrington8950]

2008 was the shooting 2017 was when 50 grand was stolen from my Strongbox he cutt the lock

[@BigFishLittleLake]

I call bullshit. I think it’s impossible to have the same markings on the bullet every single time. Every bullet puts wear on the barrel and every bullet fires at a different velocity. Too many variables for the markings to be perfectly identical every single time. But hey I’m just some dumbass on the internet.

[@evanacey1414]

I wonder if a bullet casing will still match after the gun has had it’s firing pin and/or striker spring replaced..

[@ripsticklord]

Evan Acey my thoughts aswell

[@mofogie]

Then they'll match who. Bought the firing pin.... Or barrel if it's a diff barel

[@Thabzalzk]

Yes there are various other firearm components that come into contact with c/case during firing process. So that can still be established

[@romeodavis167]

@@Thabzalzk you can change all that bro just so you know!

[@donharrington8950]

That's why I dont talk to them each one of my adopted family members attempted killing me at some point or another

[@ComradeDt]

more blur pls, and that bullet model looks like a deeldo

[@cisco4868]

Welp that’s why u toss the piece😂

[@sunk777]

this gives an idea on how to delete this identifica

[@nigelanicette9243]

So a ballistic marking is the"fingerprint" of a gun? the barrel leaves marks on each bullet it fires. You can examine these"ballistic markings" to see which gun fired the shot. I honestly heard about this on Ace Attorney. There telling the truth.

[@bigdawgs1799]

What type of bullet is that?

[@burgerkill6705]

how to identify the individual characteristic

[@jacksonthesyndicalist2771]

There's no way these are accurate.

[@EmpressLilith222]

Proof of False Flag Event 👍🏼

[@brandonfoamposite7461]

ღ ღ what? That doesn’t make any sense at all this video is about bullet ballistics what does this have to do with false flagging

[@donharrington8950]

My adoptex brother came back from Iraq and shot our suv with a 30/6 the bullet missed my head by half a foot the police recovered the bullet on oldspanish trail past Irvington east bound tords collosal caves they never investigated the shooting I knew it was him

[@cheriedavidson4704]

Who else is here from Mrs. Humphrey

[@whatscrackinboys]

So we not gonna talk about how watchmojo turned to shit

[@System32F]

lets make casings and jackets out of something harder than the gun itself and polish the pin, guns wont last as long but whatever or make a case collectors attach to the guns and use fragmenting bullets

[@maybeso1547]

Hollow point in revolver? They never talk about tracking down a hollow point.

[@zyriuz2]

lets see here... so if you shoot the firearm with sand in it. will it create a new pattern??

[@zyriuz2]

problably my most risky comment ever x)

[@sunk777]

lel

[@Wicked_RotF30]

if it shoots

[@dimitriseals4389]

I dare you to put sand in a barrel and fire it! 😂😂

[@brandonfoamposite7461]

Sounds like destroying your gun 101.

[@jerivaldez8927]

They didn’t look exactly the same. When can you say it’s a match, when can you say it’s not a match? Before implicating a suspect/gun in previous shootings, court requures “…beyond reasonable doubt” - is it an exact science?

[@RoZaYCA]

ohhh

[@sallyost3763]

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