Ballistic Testing Liberty Ammunition Civil Defense 50 gr. 9mm bullets

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@fubar5884 2 ай бұрын

I first bought these things about 10 years ago almost as a joke. I saw the advertised 50 grain +p and 2,000 FPS so I figured I'd try them out as a novelty just for fun. Boy was I surprised. On my chrono every shot it caught they were actually a little hotter than advertised, coming in around 2100 and even saw some in the 2200s. I know 9mm recoil is mininum as it is, but with these rounds that little 50 gr projectile had even less recoil than 115 gr FMJ plinking rounds, so you can really place well aimed follow ups. My shot placement seemed to mirror yours with it not being pinpoint accurate, but "good enough" especially at the short ranges where you'd expect any self-defense load to be used at. I believe because these are 50 grain they are subject to weather conditions moreso than regular heavier rounds, and I wouldn't shoot these at anything beyond 25 yards anyways. The weight savings is seriously noticeable these rounds are really light weight and the difference is definitely noticeable between carrying an 54 rounds between the mag in the pistol and two extra mags on your belt, versus carrying 54 rounds of something like Critical Duty, Cor Bon, or PDX1. While I've never used the rounds on anything but target and ballistic gel, the wound they make is gnarly. I was skeptical at first, but been carrying at least some of these in mags for EDC for years.

@sdkweber 2 ай бұрын

Cool. Thanks for watching and confirming the velocities. All good info and thanks for sharing that.

@guardianminifarm8005 7 ай бұрын

Bless your heart. Videos can be difficult and they are quite a bit of time & work.

@sdkweber 7 ай бұрын

Thanks again for watching! And Happy Independence day to you and your family.

@guardianminifarm8005 7 ай бұрын

@@sdkweber Went the range with my son and his new 1911. I chronographed 308 reloads in 16" & 26" barrels.

@sdkweber 7 ай бұрын

@@guardianminifarm8005 Very cool indeed. Do tell about what you learned from 16 vs. 26" barrel .308. Did you really see a tremendous drop in velocity in the 16" rifle?

@guardianminifarm8005 7 ай бұрын

@@sdkweber I have recently tested about a dozen handloads all at near max with the best powders for the caliber using 150, 165/168 & 180 grain boat tail bullets(SST, NBT, MatchHP, BTSP). I have also tested a couple factory loads(Superformance & Win Power Point). The range has been 185fps to 330 fps. Most are landing 200-250fps difference.

@sdkweber 7 ай бұрын

@@guardianminifarm8005 That is interesting. I have read each inch of barrel gives you about 25 fps difference in velocity and your test pretty well confirms that. A 10" difference in barrel length giving you 200-250 fps difference in MV. Thanks for taking the time to post that and answer my question.

@aaronneumeyer5572 7 ай бұрын

Yes, probably a few better choices out there, many of which you've already shown us. These might do better from a 9mm carbine or something similar, but as you said, shot placement is key. Anyway, happy Independence Day good sir! A great video for a great day!

@sdkweber 7 ай бұрын

Thanks Aaron. I hope you had a great Independence Day with family and fun.

@ShaoLyn8 2 ай бұрын

@@sdkweber if you placed one of those rounds in the eye socket, with the hydrostatic shockwave + the fragments, it’s an instant kill switch IMO.. just my two cents..

@sdkweber 2 ай бұрын

@@ShaoLyn8 I agree. That would also be some truly remarkable shooting (or luck) under such a stressful situation. Thanks for watching and posting.

@noidea3177 5 ай бұрын

I’ve had both the LabRadar and the Garmin Xero. Man, what a difference the garmin is. It’s worth the money to replace the LR.

@sdkweber 5 ай бұрын

The only real problem I have had with the Labradar is with these Liberty Ammunition bullets. I looked into the Garmin and see it only records muzzle velocity and no additional velocities downrange. Is that correct?

@noidea3177 5 ай бұрын

@@sdkweber I looked through my app and do not see any down range velocities. That could be a nonstarter if that's important to you. I never have missed shots with the Garmin and it's small enough to attach to my tripod. Easy to use app. Worked on everything from 22LR to 458 SOCOM, suppressed, too.

@sdkweber 5 ай бұрын

@@noidea3177 The most important part is the muzzle velocity of course, but I have on occasion looked at downrange velocity to validate BC of bullets and compare drag variability. I have missed shots with the Labradar, but not many (except for the Liberty ammunition bullets that is) and yes it works with suppressors too. For the time being I I think I will continue using the Labradar but the Garmin looks like a nice future option. Thanks for noting your experience. That is very helpful.

@communitysecurityagency7182 3 ай бұрын

These rounds defeat 3A body armor

@David-l7o1e Ай бұрын

Within 10 feet it can. Anything farther no

@funwithballistics1016 7 ай бұрын

Great test and happy independence day! Gotta say I disagree though. I think this is one of the more effective rounds on the market today. For what it's worth, I read about a guy who used this round in a self defense shooting protecting himself and his girlfriend at the time. The perp was shot once in the chest and dropped where he stood. Only shooting I know of so nothing conclusive but worth mentioning. It's unfortunate you couldn't get reliable readings on the ammo. The velocity is usually well above advertised. Thanks again for the test and take care.

@sdkweber 7 ай бұрын

Thanks. Nothing wrong with disagreeing as there is no absolutely definitive answer to my tests or anyone else's tests. They are tests and not reality. In fact, even a bullet that works once in reality may be shown to fail in another instance. Here's the key: this fellow did it just right: A well placed shot... that is the key to making any bullet perform. Thanks for sharing that!

@funwithballistics1016 7 ай бұрын

@@sdkweber well said! That's very nice to hear. Alot of guntubers test a round one time and draw conclusions from that. Can't wait for your next PAC-T test!

@sdkweber 6 ай бұрын

@@funwithballistics1016 Our next PAC-T comes out in about two weeks. We are putting out a precision rifle video next Thursday. Fun stuff.

@funwithballistics1016 6 ай бұрын

@@sdkweber sounds great!

@scubathesteve 3 ай бұрын

My friends and I call these the Werewolf killers. I have no complaints either, its a fine home defense selection.

@jamesalles139 7 ай бұрын

fiddy grain never heard of such a thing I would expect it will be useful if you absolutely want to avoid over-penetration thanks for the video

@Nonedw 7 ай бұрын

Enjoyed the video. A few suggestions: 1. Buy a Garmin Xero 2. If you’re going to use the LR buy a magnetic trigger.3. Also, it helps to set the lab radar at a slight angle towards the path of the bullet . This gives better readings because the bullet will spend more time in the radar.

@sdkweber 7 ай бұрын

Thanks. I never had such problems getting muzzle velocity before and I think your suggestions for the Labradar are good. I will look into the magnetic trigger for it. Any suggestions by the way?

@jbrown6030 Ай бұрын

I dunno. Even though Penetration is a iffy. I dont see how a zombie could survive this, centerMass. Given the hydraulic pressure / Shock. It almost acts like a lightweight .223 ARPistol would. Thats a ton of disruption to the gel.

@charles17508 5 ай бұрын

Carry federal or speer or hornady this ammo is weird feeling.

@SmokesKwazukii 21 күн бұрын

these would be really nasty in the leg, crotch or other fleshy area. i doubt their effectiveness for lethal or stopping shots but lots of wounding that would probably be a nightmare to operate on.

@sdkweber 21 күн бұрын

That is precisely what I have read in the forensic reports.