Sad news.......(parthenogenesis)

[@BrianGundy]

I just found this video and I wanted to say how sorry I am to hear about your loss. I lost a clutch of banana het pieds this season, they were fully formed, but all dead when I went to cut. Like you said lucky for us there are more good experiences than bad.Keep up the good work.Brian / FGS

[@Balls2U]

sorry to hear about that mate. it's a kick in the teeth when it happens. thanks for watching Brian 👍

[@mayonsculpt.6135]

Balls2U RIP I'm very sorry to hear this I hope when I come up to breeding this won't happen😔

[@longwhitemane]

I am sorry about this clutch, and I want to commend you for posting this very honest vid. Most breeders prefer to pretend this side of the game does not exist.

[@Balls2U]

Long White Mane thank you

[@papamidnightfpv]

btw im not even into ball pythons but i like the topics you discuss and i like your knowledge and enthusiasm for the hobby. im learning with some cornsnakes first but i listen to everything about snakes i can find and youre my fav bp guy.

[@Eboycrochet]

Sorry for your lost. i respect the fact that you would have kept them as pets. because not a lot of breeders would have done that

[@Balls2U]

thank you

[@snakelady7489]

Thank you for sharing this information, and the pics. I'm sorry about the loss of the little guys, but I do appreciate you taking the time to go over this.

[@Balls2U]

thank you for watching 👍

[@ashtongarren]

I'm late but I'm really sorry this happened I can tell in your voice your upset. But thank you for sharing this experience with us. By the way I love your base morph series. All your videos are so informative. Keep up the good work. Cheers

[@Balls2U]

ashtongarren thank you and thanks for watching, 😊

[@midzmorphz8438]

damn sorry to hear the news, keep going like you said more good than bad. I had my bad hopefully the only bad this season....

[@Balls2U]

thanks mate 👍

[@TheRoyalBallShack]

I'm really sorry to hear this man. Thank you for sharing, and informing everybody! I think it really helps everone, when people like you are open about stuff like this.

[@Balls2U]

thank you.....this is all stuff that I wish I was told about so that's how I look at things, try and help. 👍

[@maddieburton2478]

Hey Gavin, I've recently found this channel and I absolutely love It! It's super informative and interesting and you can really tell you care about the snakes you're working with. I'm really sorry about your loss, it's such a shame but these things happen. last thing I want to say is thank you for putting these informative videos out there and inspiring people like myself to take an Interest!

[@Balls2U]

Maddie Burton ever one who comments or leaves me feed back inspires me to keep up with the channel so thank you for taking time to watch my videos and leaving me a comment 😊

[@maddieburton2478]

Balls2U it's the least I can do for the amazing content you put out, I haven't yet got a snake as I don't think my flatmates or landlord would appreciate it :P, but I'm aiming to get a ball python as soon as my circumstances allow me too, and I feel that when that time comes I will be well prepared to care for the little bugger thanks to your channel ;P I also love learning about the different morph combinations- truly fascinating and it blows my mind the beautiful combinations you produce. Thanks again for the content, keep it up! 😊🐍

[@Cj-zg6gm]

Sucks this happened to you. I had a upsetting season myself. Lost 7/8 eggs in one clutch. Cant figure out why. The only survivor out of the 8 was a normal female with an severe eye issue. I believe she is blind. Wasn't sure what I was going to do. I read a lot of breeders just put them down but I wanted to see how she progressed. She ate very well once she got the hang of it. All her other functions are normal. She's actually has a great pattern. She's a het Pied. I'm going to keep her. I don't have the heart to put her down. I call her Stevie...like Stevie Wonder:)

[@Alistair-The-Grox]

i know this is late, but i hope stevie has lived a good life :)

[@busybees.r.c.1836]

This was 2 years ago but i hope she is well

[@CharlotteHewitt09]

bless you and thanku for sharing with us Gavin this is why we need educating cause it can go wrong x

[@Balls2U]

jane British born hi Jane, thanks for watching and I just hope it helps.

[@11elevenmike49]

Love all of your stuff.Sorry that this one was a not so happy video,but thank you SO MUCH for sharing Your experience with the rest of us.I'd heard of this but had never seen an actual case.Thank you again,and sorry for your loss,sir.

[@laceystarrcordes5048]

As an accidental breeder (unknowingly bought gravid female) with a new found love for breeding balls, I must say you have the most informative videos. I've watched many to learn what I can and you tell it like it is. Thank you 😊

[@Snows_collection]

dude i love ur videos u actually give advice on a lot of topics that are critical to being a snake breeder IV been looking into breeding bps now for over 2 years but have not started yet because i don't think im ready even tho iv kept reptiles n snakes for many years since i started watching ur videos i feel like I've learned more in the past few month then the hole time iv been looking into it keep it up man

[@debbiehardesty3414]

Just watched video of both yours Gavin and Marks, my heart goes out to both of you, it's sad! But I want to thank you both for bring this out. I have been taught another vital lesson and I appreciate that. Thanks for sharing!

[@MACKYBHOY1]

Love watching your vids ,,very informative ,,straight to the point ,no BS,,and show people the ups and downs of the breeding game ,,, another great vid ,,even though a sad loss at your end ,,but knowledge gained and shared by yourself ,spot on Gav

[@Balls2U]

thanks for your comment mate, better people see both sides I think. 👍

[@jessiemcnemar4830]

As someone new to the hobby I appreciate this video. It's sad but it's nature doing what it does.

[@mlangelfire268]

So sad :-( but thank you for this video. I really appreciate all your time and effort into these videos. When I first started watching I knew absolutely nothing about ball pythons but that I wanted one. Now I'm hoping to bring my first one home sometime next season. :-)

[@Balls2U]

thank you for taking time to watch my videos. as long as people like yourself find them a help then I will keep making them. thank you for the support 👍

[@LaDayna04]

so sorry. I learned something from you. thank you for telling us your experience.

[@wrreptiles3483]

Thank for being so open and honest about the bad side of the hobby mate not many people have the balls so to speak to show failures or unpredictable issues/problems

[@SweetJabco]

It's such a shame, they were both stunners. But like you say, absolutely nothing you could have done. This year was my first crack at breeding royals and it was a mostly positive experience but important to know that stuff like this can happen. Keep up the good work.

[@Balls2U]

thank you and congratulations on your first season 👏👏👏

[@homegrownherps978]

absolutely gutted for you bert hope the rest of the season abit more promising for ya watched every vid so far and look forward to many more to come keep it up for the uk you doing great

[@Balls2U]

thanks Dave. and thanks for the support 👍😁

[@eggygeorge]

Thanks for Sharing ❤️ what was the lumps on the super cinnamon? I saw loads of little lumps all over him x

[@williamlindsey3526]

I know I am super late to the party but I am going through watching all your videos. You have inspired me to get into breeding. I have a question I am by no means trying to question anything you did with the clutch. What could have happened if you had let them incubate a week longer? As you said it didn't look like they had absorbed their sack completely, so maybe they could have lived another week? I don't know I am simply trying to learn and have a constructive conversation. I know that their is no way for you a s a breeder to know before you cut the eggs open and then you have to worry about suffocating, and you did incubate them an extra 2 days. So maybe I'm crazy? Thanks for reading my rant :)

[@Balls2U]

If I hadn't of cut them then they also wouldn't of made it..... You learn a lot the more you do and you just can tell sometimes

[@williamlindsey3526]

@@Balls2U you know way more than me sir, I was just trying to provoke thoughtful conversation.

[@sallywilliams2097]

Sorry to hear this but thank you for putting it out there to educate others.

[@austinvickymoore3656]

wow... very informative... i think I want to get into breeding! and I'm very sorry for your loss they both looked like they would have been beautiful if they would have survived!

[@Balls2U]

My Domain69 thank you

[@TELScaniaman]

Sorry for your loss mate, I know how much all your animals mean to you and the family. Some people don't like talking about the bad things, but thats life and this video will help prepare those who come across this problem and hopefully help them to deal with it.

[@Balls2U]

thanks mate 👍 it is hard but glad I could share it so everyone gets to see both sides

[@BeRtIeStArScReAm]

Hey Gav. Sorry to hear about your snakes really sad. But great info for all us getting into it. With out this video we wouldn't even know about this or what it can do. Thanks. Once again thoughts with you buddy. Fingers crossed for the rest of the year.

[@Balls2U]

thanks mate, glad I can help 👍

[@TBaker-md3em]

I just had a cinnamon clutch, 6 eggs, 2 duds, 3 were those silver with clear bellies and 1 was an odd cinnamon looking one. The really odd thing is that this cinnamon's mother threw one clutch with the same silver babies. None survived. She(like yours) was not bred to anything that should have produced a silver baby so I was confused. Thank you for the video. I hope I can find out more.

[@Rainkit]

Hmm. That makes me kind of wonder about the genes behind the color. Has anyone done tests to see if the cinnamon color is Mendelian?

[@theserpentchamber282]

Great video Gavin. Thanks for sharing and sorry for the loss.

[@Balls2U]

thanks mate 👍

[@elfenlogic]

I'm sorry for your loss :( Thank you for making a video though, very informative 🖒😊

[@Balls2U]

thank you for watching and thanks for your comments 👍

[@DKTaoNeo]

Sorry to hear about this pal, but glad you shared the experience and info, so any ppl have no idea that these kind of things happen...

[@Balls2U]

thanks bro, I agree, we all need to know more about this hobby. 👍

[@kellymedhurst6529]

sorry for your loss. its heart breaking but thank you for sharing this with us. i truely believe that people need to know about the bad sides to this hobby too. i just subscribed

[@Balls2U]

hi Kelly, thank you for subscribing to the channel, I hope you enjoy the videos we post......it was very sad but it also gave me the chance to show case what can happen in this hobby. like I said there are more good then bad but I really do think that stuff like this helps people prepare for these sort of situations. thank you once again 👍😁

[@kellymedhurst6529]

+Balls2U with all the new people wanting to start breed,things like this will hopefully open their eyes and let them see the bad side. ive had a few heart breaking moments over the past few years. had 2 kinked babies this season but sadly its all part of the game. it never gets easy. on facebook groups ive shared pics of some of the bad stuff because new breeders need to know its not always a happy ending. im just going through ur videos now. they are great.

[@Balls2U]

+Kelly Medhurst sorry to hear that 😔..... I also believe it helps people think twice about breeding.

[@kellymedhurst6529]

Keep up the great work. Looking forwards to seeing your new videos

[@Balls2U]

+Kelly Medhurst thank you 😁

[@denisegriffin156]

Thank you for sharing. I'm very sorry for your loss.

[@MamaaBear]

aw man, sorry to hear that! that is really rotten :( but i do appreciate the video, my husband is getting his female ball python this week and we have toyed around with the idea of breeding in the future. As sad as it is, it IS good to know what we could run into in the future. thanks for the video and cant wait to see some of the other babies you guys have!

[@Balls2U]

thank you and trust me, the good does out way the bad, but if you know all of the facts then you can make more of a educated decision to breed or not to breed. thank you once again 👍

[@joeycizner3039]

Good advice thank you for sharing this. Sorry for your lose

[@boxingboa]

I am sorry Governor. Thank you for sharing all this information. Once again you helped me expand my knowledge.

[@Balls2U]

thanks for watching brother. hope all's well your end?

[@hereunderduress]

sorry to hear it man, but thanks for sharing some of the bad

[@Balls2U]

thanks John, just wanted to share the info so people are aware. 👍

[@markbeds6217]

Gutted for u mate that's the best looking normal I've ever seen I wish it would have survived for ya, best of luck for the rest of the season pal

[@Balls2U]

thanks mate 👍

[@davesmartt5163]

sorry for the loss bud but great video and great info much appreciated.

[@Balls2U]

thanks buddy 👍

[@KentuckianaExotics]

I am glad you shared as it gives me more information on another super cinnamon form doing this. As you said, it happened here in the states recently too, to Mark from Balls out, and it is tragic that this ever happens, and I sincerely hope you never encounter it again. I have personally decided not to breed super cinnamon's due to the issue Mark had, and seeing it again here, I am more confident with that decision.

[@Balls2U]

hi William, thanks for watching, it's very sad but he this video helps people like yourself then it's worth every view. thanks for your support 👍

[@MrLundScience]

Greetings! If you, or any of your viewers who read the comments can offer it, I need some help! I've had a female ball python for 14 years, and without any male contact, she just laid eggs 5/18/17! I've SCRAMBLED to learn what I can on parthenogenesis and incubation, not having any reason to expect this. I've never bred (nor had the intention to breed) my gal before. Furthermore, I "candle tested" the eggs with a very strong LED light and of the 6 eggs she laid, 5 of them had CLEAR AS DAY veins all throughout. (The 6th was an obvious slug.) These eggs have since been removed from her and put into an incubation chamber. The temp is at a steady 88.0 - 89.0F, and there is 79-81% humidity, steady. I have many questions, and am not finding answers that easily online. If you (or others) can answer any of these with some background knowledge, it is much appreciated! 1) How common/rare is confirmed parthenogenesis? 2) I know for sure that due to the veins, these eggs are developing. However, how commonly does something go wrong with parthenogenesis eggs? Should I not get my hopes up? 3) What might I need to watch out for in the incubation process? From what I have currently learned, there isn't much I need to be doing other than maintaining those temps and humidity above. Just wanted to double check...anything else I need to do? 4) What are ball pythons like after laying eggs? My gal seems disinterested in food. I thought she'd be starving, as she fasted for a good month before laying. (She was thirsty, though, and has drank plenty.) Thank you in advance for any help you (or others) can offer!

[@Balls2U]

MrLundScience first I've never known them survive...... if it is what it is..... you need to clean her up well and offer her food in a few days. fingers crossed she takes food off you.....

[@Balls2U]

MrLundScience just keep a eye on them.... nothing else you can do really 😔

[@MrLundScience]

It's gotta be what it is. I can think of no other possibility. I've had her all 14 years without male (or any other) ball python contact. Not sure if you're on twitter, but I've tweeted the photo of the candle tested eggs. Veins are obvious. I'm a skeptical guy by nature, but I don't know of any alternative, logical conclusion. I'll offer her food in a few like you stated. Thanks for the prompt reply! Good to know there isn't more I should do.

[@MrLundScience]

This is a photo of one of the 5 eggs showing veins that I put up on Twitter. twitter.com/MrLundScience/status/866347973835456512/photo/1

[@marahoyt5043]

MrLundScience How are they doing? I hope your little ones make it! ♡

[@chrissy83xo32]

Im really sorry for your loss. Thank you for sharing.

[@Balls2U]

thank you for your comment

[@primatespongebob6597]

hello. Im curious were your female hatchling from the partho clutch able to breed? like with no issues regarding fertility? I heard that the chance of partho clutches being male is very low. But if its a male its 100% barren. What about your females so far have you bred them now?

[@Balls2U]

@primatespongebob6597 thank you for your comment. I've found they breed perfectly well

[@papamidnightfpv]

how can the female pick and choose what sperm gets used? ive heard of this happening with pet snakes with no mates, but why do you think it would happen with an animal i assume you did breed? lastly, does a parthenogenesis animal this that is hatched and raised and then breed pass on broken genes?

[@Balls2U]

The babies don't make it sadly

[@janetgriffiths3960]

So very sorry for your loss. I lost 2 clutches this year due to a power outage after a storm, and the incubator went out. 18 babies gone. Now all snakes / incubators are on solar power.

[@Balls2U]

sorry to hear that mate.

[@samasiaskipperable]

At least nature did not make you decide what was best. You explained it all well.

[@jeffconnery5836]

very sorry man! sad news! Best of luck as it rolls along!

[@Balls2U]

thank, Jeff

[@gertbeukes983]

Hi, did you breed that female again or the male or die same pairing with the same ball pythons and what was the result. I know it a few years ago but would really like to know your opinion about the matter. I know it's unpredictable

[@Volksgenossen]

That one snake has been looking for a way out for the full 17mins lol

[@aaronham5881]

do you have a website, price list and pictures

[@michaelscreativecreations]

Sorry about your loss. Ive had a friend this year his snake got egg bound and he had to get the eggs out and unfortually the snakes inside turned rotten the vet had to his thing with the snake. All the eggs where infertile........I thought i would share i know its not similar to what you experienced but it really sucks when you lose snakes small or large.

[@Balls2U]

that's a sad thing to happen. thank you for sharing, stuff like this is very sad but important at the same time.

[@shanegraham8816]

thank you for sharing the information very helpful for us newbies question please did the tiger looking one look normally formed can't tell by the photo if the face is unusual or just the camera angle?

[@Balls2U]

no it wasn't a normal face, the lower jaw was out of line with the top and it was under sized for the body.

[@shanegraham8816]

thank you sir I thought so

[@SansaStarkofWinterfell]

Hey Gavin, what in genetics would cause a BEL to have a duck bill? My BEL has that, it's not a major one but he still has it. He eats voraciously, no kinks or anything. Just a duck bill. Horrible that you had to deal with this with the babies, So sorry Gavin! But, I'm also grateful that you've shared this video, with the photos included. It helps many others in learning about these problems. So, Thank you very much Gav. 🌾 Merry meet, merry part & meet again 🌿

[@Balls2U]

thank you.....some times it can just happen with some super forms, we'd have to know the pairing of your Bel, was it brother to sister or mother to son, father to daughter?.....super lesser or super Mojave?.....thank you for your support on this matter.

[@SansaStarkofWinterfell]

Lesser x MoJo is all I can tell you about my BEL's breeding, It came from Xyz Reptiles. Love their company, they're great to get stuff from, cost is wonderful from them. They've got great customer service too. Always support great breeders Gav, you're one of them I think. 🌾 Merry meet, merry part & meet again 🌿

[@Paincaster1]

Just a quick question, whats your view on refreezing frozen food that has not been eaten.always seem to get mixed views on it, could be a new balls2u video :]

[@Balls2U]

you should never RE freeze food....my advise is if you have 10 snakes, only defrost 5 rats, then he any don't feed, you have 5 other snakes to offer it too.....then the next day, defrost 5 or what ever you need to feed the rest.

[@chrisconley1634]

How can I get a Balls2U shirt? Thanks for the informative videos.

[@Balls2U]

Chris Conley thanks Chris, at the minute I am clear out of stock, however I am looking to order some more so watch this space buddy 😊👍

[@jacobhawes4833]

hey. sorry man. you seem like a guy who will respond. I really want to bread pied ball pythons. it's gunna be my first time breeding. I know I could just get a male pied for my normal girl. but I really want a luesistic. so if I put a luesistic to a normal. would I get a pied. or eventually anyway?

[@Sor1ner]

Hey Gavin, sad video but what would be the most humane way to put down a BP?

[@Balls2U]

that's another video I think mate......

[@stetheanimal]

Sorry to hear it mate😔

[@Balls2U]

thanks mate

[@leitchyt0220]

Sorry to hear that mate

[@xdinked7502]

So sad, sorry. Very honest and informative as usual gavin.

[@Balls2U]

better that people see all sides then just the good side. thanks for watching

[@xdinked7502]

+Balls2U oh for sure, its a very sad thing but I see it happens, love watching your videos. will you be at doncaster in november?

[@Balls2U]

+Celli Taylor yes I'll be there for sure...make sure you come say hello 👍

[@xdinked7502]

+Balls2U for sure gavin, hopefully we can jump on a couple of trains and taxi and we can make it, I desperately want to go, thankyou

[@marli8907]

They were beautiful babies. Sorry you lost them.

[@XAdioskMFDM]

That's very strange and unfortunate. Sorry you had to experience that!

[@Balls2U]

yes me too, but glad I've shared it so people are aware.

[@michaelkiser2732]

Hey I have a Jungle male and I'm looking too get a female too bread too him any suggestions on what i should get to make some healthy, good looking snakes?

[@Balls2U]

Michael Kiser best advise, is make what you like 👍

[@michaelkiser2732]

Thanks for your response back. 🤘🏻 just don't know much about morphs so I was hoping for some tips on what morphs too buy that work good wit mine. I know what I like but idk if it will work with my snake.

[@reptileaddictz54]

In my partho clutch, I also had twin normals that were super reduced and banded, not one Alien head...looked like a jungle carpet python but in ball python form..idk if super normal or just happens with partho clutches...and my partho clutch was from a cinnamon female as well

[@Balls2U]

very interesting mate.....it seems to be happening more on the cinnamon gene then anything else.

[@reptileaddictz54]

+Balls2U yea, and I had to save the super cinnamon, it was the same situation where she had not broken through the embryotic sac, so I punctured it and opened for her and she made it out, she's eating and healthy now

[@Balls2U]

+Reptile Addictz that's great. news 👍

[@siegoldie779]

sad news for you mate , I've had it happen to me a few years back hatched out a mojave went full term but it was turned inside out , i thought i was looking at a white snake but what i was seeing was the inside of the snakes flesh

[@Balls2U]

wow....that's sad mate....I feel every thing happens for a reason....thanks for watching and your time 👍

[@wolfshadow1219]

Hi, im thinking about getting a snake. But i cant spend too much money, and my parents are not that fond of snakes. any ideas help. Thanks! (I'm sorry for what happend it very sad, R.I.P)

[@brittanykerr6948]

so sorry for ur loss they r beautiful babies

[@Balls2U]

Brittany Kerr thank you

[@rayz9772]

Great video as usual! Thanks!

[@Balls2U]

thank you 👍

[@Paincaster1]

very sorry to hear the bad news,cut my fire spider eggs today,day 55,six in total,5 look fine but the other one has a large egg mass,cant really see the snake but i can see what looks like a heart pumping

[@Balls2U]

thanks Patrick, keep me posted on that last egg mate, congratulations on the others 👍

[@jimiwilliams7176]

I let my 8 year old granddaughter watch the pics of the babies because i always had thats why you research research and if you breed anything death is a fact of life great video

[@joetully5018]

Wow parthenogenesis! Thanks for sharing

[@Balls2U]

thanks for watching Joe

[@ginncarah702]

awww no im sorry

[@wrreptiles3483]

It’s 16.5k subscribers now mate

[@nicolemurphy1552]

Sorry to hear what happened

[@joesreptiles5689]

Sorry mate. Cheer up :)

[@Balls2U]

👍

[@paulholleo]

Gav, were both of the offspring female?

[@cindycarter409]

So heart breaking to of any animal not making it or having a birth defect

[@sionmarcsimpson7487]

Sorry for the bad news mate, Reptile breeding has its ups ....but he downs really suck! ;(

[@andrewhartemink8953]

oh man that sux, I had a kinked baby in my fourth clutch also no yolk aborbed he/she also wouldn't have any chance at a quality live...

[@Balls2U]

very sad mate. 😞

[@exoticballs]

sorry for the sad news

[@Balls2U]

thank you

[@mimiandreas8331]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@reptielsmechanic8520]

First comment

[@Balls2U]

👍

[@aaaaalllss]

There is nothing positive about looking at multiple snakes living in a 1 square foot box

[@Balls2U]

aaaaalllss do you know where they live in the wild????

[@aaaaalllss]

Captive and wild are the polar opposites, fact on a empty stomach none of them animals would survive a week. Infact id probably say if they where in the wild they would be the prey. One day you might of loved snakes and what not but today it is purely about money. Yes i know exactly where snakes live, sorry what they need to live. That is probably a better answer to your question.

[@Balls2U]

aaaaalllss this spices of python live underground they don't like big open spaces.....if they was not happy they wouldn't feed or breed.... this is my hobby that I help and show people how to look after snakes in captive collections.... money has nothing to do with it..... education is the key to conservation..... all my snakes are pets and have names....... I think you need to research the spices before judging people!!!! plus it won't make you sound stupid to other people reading your comments. have a good day 👍