BANDS WHOSE DEBUT ALBUMS WERE (ARGUABLY) A ROUGH START Pt 2: THE SUBSCRIBER PICKS!

[@evilbunnysanta]

I really like that Jon doesn't bullshit out an opinion and actually just says he's undecided.

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- He's still got a lot of catching up to do but he really wants to which is the best part. Every "undecided" moment on here is one he adds to the list.

[@vietnamd0820]

Thanks for the defense of Killing Is My Business …I love that album

[@CDNRecords]

DRI debut is pure hatred. Close to having early blast beats before anyone else. Insane.

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- I'd definitely say a lot of early crossover was kinda one of the roots of blasts. Hirax and Cryptic Slaughter come to mind as well. I like the intensity on the Dirty Rotten LP but I think they did it better on Dealing With It.

[@TheCuttingBureau]

​@@thrallsofmetalYes, "No Sense" is a very early instance of a blastbeat in punk/metal, in 1983.

[@butchvito]

I love the content. For someone who doesn't have many metalhead friends I find this entertaining... Have you guys ever thought of doing a show discussing some of the best tours over the years. Or tours that had the best packages. Something on those lines for a topic.

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! I'm glad you dig it! We just try to keep it loose and fun here. Man, that would be a fun discussion except we've been to some many shows we actually forget now lol. We might be able to think of something along those lines though.

[@butchvito]

@@thrallsofmetal Right on guys!

[@supercouchpotato9698]

I agree about the vocals on Kill em All, a lot of early thrash has that annoying echo effect and its really prominent on that album. Honestly tho, i think that the below average drumming and off-time instrumentation makes the album as enjoyable as it is. For a debut, and considering their ages at the time, the album is fucking amazing.

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- 80's metal definitely had a thing with odd reverb and layering but I love that album warts and all. It feels like a young band playing a club show and I kinda even like the imperfections on it as well. It's just a fun album.

[@Ynffy]

RoboCop references FTW!

[@kylemacneil3477]

Nick, you are going to have to chain smoke so John can stay back in the basement and catchup on a bunch of albums. Anyways, getting you metal heads to talk about the riff in "Heart and Soul" was worth the wait.

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- LOL! It would be noble sacrifice so he could catch up, right? Dude, I got giddy when you brought up Huey Lewis & the News. I grew up with that band and I still love the shit out of them. That was fun talking about them.

[@kylemacneil3477]

Yeah, I have a soft spot for Huey Lewis, 80s pop, 80s movie soundtracks, and especially John Hughes soundtracks.

[@derrickkowalewski9239]

Asphyx The Rack is one of my favorite death metal records ever. I have loved this since it came out

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- It's one of my favorites by them. Last One on Earth might beat it though.

[@gtafans93]

I'd love to see a video on Albums in a bands discography that isn't universally loved but its actually really solid or different enough that it's fun

[@Spur1Denmark]

Thanks for the awesome video! 90 minutes, damn! Look forward to part 3 sometime.

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! I'm not sure if we're going to do a part 3 to this particular subject since we covered so many with this one but we do plan on doing some more discussion videos in the future for sure. These have been a lot of fun.

[@Spur1Denmark]

@@thrallsofmetal The discussion videos are definitely a great format for audience engagement. Makes the channel come alive, so I for one am all for them. Looking forward to the next one!

[@tylerbailey9329]

Honestly, Reek of Putrefaction is one of my favorite albums of all time. It sounds so gloriously and authentically unhinged.

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- It's absolutely foul sounding which is the draw for some and the thing that puts people off for some. I appreciate it for the novelty of it but I prefer the stuff that followed.

[@tylerbailey9329]

@thrallsofmetal Yeah, Carcass have come lightyears refining their sound over the decades. Torn Arteries slaps hard 🤘

[@Nadinetherescuehound]

Thats awesome that you guys went down the list again. This took some time and effort, thanks guys. When you talked about the first Maiden album and Killers, I couldn't agree more. I adore everything up until 7th son. No other band can pick any song off their first album and play it at any point in their career live and it would fit right in the setlist. Literally every song. Killers has moved up over Somewhere in time, but I still love the first album. Once upon a time Maiden took the stage to kick your ass. IT's the NWOBHM in them. Maiden Japan is their best bootleg. The "B" stuff from that period is banging too.

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- We thought it'd be fun to do one like this again. It's a long shoot and a long edit but I think it's worth it to engage with our fans like this. I love most of the early Maiden stuff but that debut is still a bit rocky despite having some solid songs on it. Killers whoops ass though across the board. That was my first Maiden album too so it'll always have a soft spot in heart.

[@vietnamd0820]

I really like Never Satisfied off of Judas Priest’s Rocka Rolla

[@Luciid_Fr]

26:19 i also did find warning through that video. I'm still baffled how people call watching from a distance bad 😂. great video overall (besides for the person who said the rack is horrible i hope that guys pillow is warm on both sides tonight)

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- Yeah, I didn't follow up on it very much sadly but I definitely want to check more out. What I heard of the album that got dogged didn't seem that bad honestly but I still haven't jammed the debut so I can't say. Either way, judging by the reaction, it seemed like a pretty spicy take.

[@LeonardoGalavizOchoa]

How long it took Nik to smoke a cigarette? Jon jammed like 5 albums in that time XD

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- I mean, he was just skimming and I think I had like 3 smokes during this one and this was a longer shoot. I do like that he took the down time to at least sample some of the stuff he's missed out on.

[@CDNRecords]

That SIX FEET UNDER is the only album you need.

[@thrallsofmetal]

thnx

[@tilman9506]

Symphony x is great imo, there are notes of power metal but I’d say it’s way more proggy. Their album paradise lost is my favorite but iconoclast might be their heaviest. Highly recommend

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- I've heard people gush about them but I've just never followed up on them. I might actually jam some of their stuff at some point just to check it out.

[@dosafiend666]

IDK dudes…”Interstellar Overdrive” is one of the finest Pink Floyd tracks in my opinion,. Frightening, atonal and disorienting psychedelia with that one killer riff to start and then bring it back at the close

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- I just can't get into the Syd Barret stuff honestly. While it's wildly experimental it's not very memorable for me outside of it being weird. Pink Floyd created a lot of haunting, atmospheric songs that were also catchy later one. We all hear music differently though and I know the Syd Barret era definitely has a lot of fans.

[@bschuler6216]

I pretend that Pink Floyd started with Saucerful Of Secrets. Interstellar Overdrive is the best song on Piper; it's head & shoulders above the other tracks.

[@ionutbarliba]

The Rack is awesome as all the Asphyx albums with Martin are. Ranking their albums would be interesting.

[@bschuler6216]

Totally! I would love to see an Asphyx ranking. The Rack isn't my favorite of theirs; I think Last One On Earth is a decent sized step up.

[@ionutbarliba]

Death..the brutal way is also killer and all the latest ones.

[@bschuler6216]

@@ionutbarliba I love Death...The Brutal Way...and Deathhammer...and On The Wings Of Inferno🤘

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- I'd love to rank Asphyx in the future. I have a feeling that would be a tough one.

[@starhawks1]

Love the maul shirt! I just saw them in Chicago a month or so ago, I'm super excited for their new album

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- Maul is killer live and we can't wait to check out the new album.

[@bjwaters]

Oh dang! I didn't consider Pink Floyd because they aren't metal, but I do agree. While the Syd Barrett stuff has its charm, I definitely grew up on their 70s material, and I completely agree that Meddle is where Pink Floyd really starts. As for Piper, as an album, it's okay. "Bike" always makes me laugh, though. Kill'em All is an interesting choice, but I didn't put it on my previous list. It's definitely raw, the songwriting is clunky sometimes, and it's obvious that they're trying to get by on passion primarily, but I wouldn't call it a rough start. I think it's still a solid album, with some very good songs, and an important one for the history of the genre. Like you said, it's the start of thrash! As for Cirith Ungol: fair enough. Tim Baker's wailing style vocals are pretty unique and definitely an acquired taste, so I don't blame you. 😆 However, beyond that, I still argue that the music is rough on that first album. I definitely recommend that Jammin Jon start with King of the Dead (if you decide to check them out). I agree with the Anthrax one (I think I listed it before). They don't have their sound, and while there is some decent speed metal, it's definitely a rough start compared to where they would go. I also disagree with the Haken one, not because I like it (it's a little too chaotic for me), but because I don't think the later albums are really any different. They were doing exactly what they wanted to do and did it well. I haven't listened to their later albums (I'll get to them eventually), but I anticipate them to be more of their style of prog rock/metal. Anyways, definitely a fun discussion, and I'm kinda happy that I got into a community video. 😁

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- Most of them were metal but we don't mind doing some non-metal ones every now and then and Pink Floyd as well Huey Lewis & The News were fun ones. Yeah, the Haken and Metallica picks were a bit odd as I dig those albums and I think they did a good job establishing both band's presence. I've never been much of a fan of Cirith Ungol simply because of the vocals. They're definitely unique but to me they can be quite grating. Musically I think they're solid though but it's hard to get past those vocals. I think Jon took down a lot of bands and albums he wants to check out on this so I think these videos might expand his horizons a bit.

[@alkebulanshujaaogun5152]

I completely disagree on Iron Maiden debut. Y'all are insane! That album is banger after banger bonafide CLASSIC Maiden. The production is fine, you can hear everything clearly and great for 1980. Signature unique style, catchy songs, excellent songwriting and musicianship are all still there. What more can I say, it's not a rough start at all. Can't go wrong with any 80's Maiden album. 80's Maiden reigns supreme always! Up the Irons! ⚔🤘🏿

[@alexposilkin9683]

I have to commend Jon for pronouncing my last name correctly. No one ever gets it but he nailed it. Great video, but it’s going to take a couple more sessions to watch the whole thing. Also was thinking of a possible show idea. Favorite metal albums that don’t use double kick drums.

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- Wow! We generally butcher everyone's names on here too lol. Thanks, man! Dude, we were actually discussing your suggestion and we might try that one. It's gonna be awhile just for the amount of research we need to do but I did the idea.

[@alexposilkin9683]

@@thrallsofmetal well, even considering the idea is great, whether you get to it or not. Double bass is so ingrained in metal at this point that it almost seems like a radical idea when you hear single kicks. As a drummer, it forces you to be creative and to take different directions to develop crushing beats. Perhaps the music sounds different as a result. In the history of metal, double kicks go all the way back to Motörhead, Judas Priest, and Accept to name a few. So single kick metal has been sprinkled throughout the genre since the beginning. Off the top of my head, some old and new selections include anything by Iron Maiden, anything with Chris Reifert (Scream Bloody Gore, Autopsy, Static Abyss), Darker Handcraft by Trap Them, Necrovortex by Outrè-Tombe, and Power Trip. Besides Maiden, the rest of this stuff seems to have a big punk influence as well. Good luck with the research if you’re able to get to it, and thanks again for considering it.

[@paradoxofepicurus]

Anthrax - Fistful of Metal Dark Angel - We Have Arrived Overkill - Feel the Fire

[@jasonboardman2796]

I agreed with you on Dark Angel's We Have Arrived. I can see why people don't seem to talk about their debut likey.

[@joerg721]

We need a Voivod ranking!

[@wyattfreihon4048]

Thanks for including my comment guys! Totally get it cuz those early albums aren’t bad it’s just you guys rolled through all the albums I would actually consider legitimately bad. I honestly think modern Arch Enemy is worse than that first album. Plus Johann did improve on the next two. Love the channel and thanks for being nice and awesome! ❤

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- Hey! Not a problem, man! I thought the Arch Enemy one was a good one to bring up regardless. I feel like a lot of Arch Enemy's early material gets overlooked in favor of their mid to late period stuff. Thanks again, man!

[@wyattfreihon4048]

@@thrallsofmetal I knew we were in trouble when both Michael Amott and Jeff Loomis were in a band and we got almost no real shredding solos. Also Killing is my Business nearly made me spit my water out

[@Hecatecrossways]

Dave Elleffson is really good with his hands

[@brucekenkel3688]

I bought Pitchshifter new when it came out and I do like it to this day, I also bought Godflesh too when released.

[@jboogedy]

Man, I'm sad I missed this discussion and didn't get to give my 2 cents on a lot of these, def some spicy takes, like I fucking LOVE SCUM by Napalm Death, that raw production is the opening salvo for Grindcore itself, same with Reek of Putrefaction by Carcass and Rocka Rolla freakin rules by Priest!!!! I love those OG pressings, can't beat them for the raw nostalgia they all invoke! Also those first Aborted, Tiamat, Edge of Sanity, Metallica, Motorhead, Dimmu Borgir, Pitchshifter, Anthrax, Asphyx, Sepultura, Type O, Kreator, Cradle of Filth, Death, Behemoth, Iron Maiden, DRI and even that Six Feet Blunder are all fxcking badass debut's and all classicks in my book, got most of those on vinyl too! and Jon, how have you never listened to the first KREATOR?!? lol thanks for sticking up for the Rack by Asphyx Nick, you know what's up!!! Martin Van Drunnen slays that performance, ultimate death/doom done right! yeah, that dude's grounded! Great vid discussion, keep em coming!

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! Yeah, I'm sorry you weren't there because the chat was a blast. There were a lot of tough calls on this one for sure. There were some really debatable one with Carcass and Napalm Death were as I'm not as big of a fan of their debuts but they were immensely important in terms of the evolution of extreme metal in general. Yeah, Jon's got some catching up to do and we might just do a segment on that at some point because he has missed out on a lot of killer old school stuff.

[@erykdudka6820]

Yo thanks so much for featuring my comments! Maybe Human Jerky is due for a relisten since I've much more into grindcore. Love your guys' content, keep the brutality coming! 🤘

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- Not a problem, man! Yeah, Cattle Decapitation is one of those bands where I dig all their stuff but they did keep getting better as songwriters and musicians so you can still make the argument their earlier material is a bit rough. I love grind though so those early ones really appeal to me. Thanks again, man!

[@fredrikhallin3528]

Great stuff! A little suggestion: it'd be interesting with a "bands line-up changes-video" and if it was for the better or worse 🙂

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! We might do that one in the future. We've got another fun one planned here as well.

[@fredrikhallin3528]

​@@thrallsofmetalNice, i like these kind of videos a lot! 👍

[@kothrising4762]

I got that Huey Lewis reference 😂

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- Good deal, man!

[@sadekx5251]

JJ "You are fired" ! 😁 You guys should check Symphony X,i it's not your goofy Power Metal. Especially everything from "Odyssey" to "Underworld ". Also, I learned today that Nick's smoke break takes several hours.

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- He's still learning but he wants to learn which is good. Yeah, he was just skimming through some stuff in the 5 to 7 mins I was gone honestly but I liked that he was checking some it out.

[@Jeff.3]

I'll go to the bat for motorheads debut album, is it like anything else they made? Not even close but I like the mix and how raw it sounds and i love the sound of the drums and of course lemmy doing his thing. It's more of an album id jam while driving on a road trip but I still enjoy it for what it is.

[@d-hell]

Ok, so Jon started his metal journey at 18... So from 18 to, well.. 64?, he's had 46 years! of getting familiar with the obvious ones. 46 years! That's almost more than 50!

[@bschuler6216]

😂

[@Gregbaltzer]

I havevto disagree on Voivod. I love that album. I loved it so much i drew the album cover on the back of my jean jacket and wore it all through high school. I actually listened to it 2 days ago. Still love. The first heavy album I heard that wasnt Satanic.

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- I don't dislike those albums but I feel like their real identity was forged on Killing Technology and Dimension Hartross. Those first 2 were fun and weird but they don't do as much for me as the albums that follow (minus the Newsted years which were pretty hit or miss) just got better.

[@nick_kaamos]

Asphyx = Pages In Blood, one of the best death metal songs ever. Enjoy MDF!!! My biggest disagree is Neurosis- Pain Of Mind. That is my favorite record of theirs. Thanks for the fun vid!!

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! The Rack is a beast. I might like Last One on Earth more but that debut crushes. I still like Pain of Mind but I got into them with Through Silver and Blood so it's the dense, dark post metal sound that I love them.

[@lawrencefine5020]

Oh man, gotta disagree on War and Pain. That album is pure raw power, yeah it's sloppy, but it's such a blast to listen to. (Nuclear War make's me want to break shit, Piggy's riffs are angry and so original) I agree with Killing In My Business. That's the angriest I ever heard Megadeth. BTW Nick, How long are your cigarette breaks?

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- I still dig War and Pain but to me it pales in comparison to their later albums for me. Yeah, I think Killing is my Business is a banger. I was ready to jump over the table to defend that one lol. Jon was just skimming over songs while I was gone for about 5 to 7 mins each time I went out which I think I had about 3 during this one.

[@eddien5929]

FETO is my favourite Napalm album, partially because of the production.... the modern albums are great too but the EQ on the guitars isn't to my taste - all the frequencies, all the time! Also Lee Dorrian is my favourite ND vocalist. I think the occasional shrieking is on point

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- I dig that album and honestly I'd say it's more the formula for everything that grind is rather than what's presented on Scum. That being said my favorite Napalm Death album is still "Time Waits for No Slave" followed by "Utopia Banished". It's an odd one two punch I guess but I love those albums. I will say though that FETO has probably my favorite Lee Dorian vocal performance on it... as I'm not a big fan of his vocals in Cathedral.

[@bschuler6216]

​@@thrallsofmetalI agree with your Napalm picks🤘

[@archangelofcoffee922]

"Clouds" is definitely where Tiamat stepped up their game. The difference between "Clouds" and their first two is night and day.

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- Clouds is pretty solid. I really liked The Astral Sleep but Wildhoney was the first one that I really got into. I think with a better mix maybe the debut would be more of a stand out though.

[@simplebutnotsolongname6642]

Shit. Didn’t know a post was made for this already. Unless someone else mentioned it, my choice would’ve been Yngwie Malmsteen’s Rising Force. Like I said before, unless you’re into instrumentals and especially Guitar wankery, this album offers so little; and only two tracks are actual songs with vocals in them. Thankfully, Yngwie recognized that and rectified it from the second album onward.

[@МартинСтефанов-в1л]

I'm going to personally disagree. I think most instrumental tracks on that album are incredible(he still performs "Black Star" and "Far Beyond the Sun" regularly), while on the other hand "Now Your Ships Are Burned" is not that good of a song.

[@lutfimakarim8258]

I like his albums up until Fire and Ice and then I kinda lost interest. I always thought The Seventh Sign was a meh album.

[@brianmellon4238]

Bury Me an Angel is badass, one of my favorite Arch Enemy tracks. If you do video about rough sophomore albums, go with Stigmata.

[@helix1281]

It's funny how Haunted is the only album that can end up in both videos as being their best album and a rough start lol.

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- It's that special kind of charm that SFU has really lol

[@AngusMacThrasherMetalReviews]

Symphony X “Iconoclast” is excellent but none of their other albums ever stood out for me. Also Edge Of Sanity “Purgatory Aftergow”. These are certainly 2 great albums

[@nelsonshuchmacherendebo7688]

Dimmu Borgir gets a lot of flak but Puritanical rules, a top-tier 00s metal metal release. All these Trve nerds can say whatever they want, Nick Barker elevated the world of metal drumming on that record. And ICS Vortex is on it, what’s not to love?

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- I still like pretty much everything from them up to In Sorte Diaboli. I thought that one and some of the subsequent albums were a bit of a drop off. Barker was a beast on those Dimmu albums but I think that dude's a beast anywhere he goes and I love ICS Vortex's vocals.

[@derrickkowalewski9239]

I agree with you guys on the first side of Scum being better than the second side. However, I enjoyed the second side enough. Scum was the fastest record I heard since the first Cryptic Slaughter album, both of which were huge inspirations to me as a young teenager. Scum is my favorite Napalm Death studio album, very innovative and great songs. The Peel Sessions are my favorite overall and is completely insane, even by modern standards

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- I think Side B of Scum is pretty much the groundbreaking for From Enslavement to Obliteration which I do love. When Barney joined the band was when Napalm Death really started to click with me but I got into them in the 90's with oddly enough the Mortal Kombat Soundtrack lol.

[@derrickkowalewski9239]

@@thrallsofmetal I liked Harmony Corruption when it came out, but I was pretty confused at the time. It sounded like a different band, which it more or less was. I like Harmony Corruption more now than I did back then for sure

[@derrickkowalewski9239]

I got into Napalm Death from the death metal show on a college radio station W,BNY, that was probably between 88 and 1990, around then I did a deep dive into death metal and grindcore and death metal was huge in Buffalo at that time

[@KevinTarrant-by3fi]

The reason why I mentioned Nervosa even though they have no bad albums in their discography I was just wondering what you thought of Victim of Yourself?

[@thrallsofmetal]

thnx

[@callumnichols7652]

Dare i say it, but Iron Maiden might be one of few bands who are better live than on tape (hot take, I know).

[@paradoxofepicurus]

I love Gwar - Hello and Dave's earlier band Death Piggy - Smile or Die

[@eslwgpg1226]

Blind Guardian - Battalions Of Fear. Blind Guardian is my absolute favorite band of all time and I’ll admit this album as far as rough starts go is actually on the better end of the spectrum. It’s a very solid and enjoyable album in its own right but the songwriting and musicianship is nowhere close to what they would accomplish later on and Hansi hadn’t yet reached his potential as a singer. Also there’s a touch too many instrumental tracks for my taste (Trial By The Archon, By The Gates Of Moria, and Gandalf’s Rebirth). If they had swapped out at least one of the instrumental tracks for another actual song it would’ve improved the album at least a little bit. Again a very good album that I like quite a bit but it is my least favorite Blind Guardian album. Conception - The Last Sunset. For most other bands a debut like this would definitely not be a rough start, quite the opposite in fact, but this is the same band that went on to make Parallel Minds, In Your Multitude, Flow, and State Of Deception (in other words some of the absolute greatest progressive metal albums ever created) and The Last Sunset falls very short in comparison (although I do consider the title track to be one of their best songs to date). Singer Roy Khan joined after most of the songwriting for this album was already completed so it wasn’t until Parallel Minds that he became the band’s co-lead songwriter along with guitarist Tore Ostby and his increased involvement in the writing definitely improved their sound and direction a great deal. Alice In Chains - Facelift. Dirt this is not. Jar Of Flies this is not. The self-titled album this is not. Alice In Chains originally started out as a glam metal band in the late 80’s and that is the style they play on their early demos. Facelift suffers from having one foot in the sound more concretely established on Dirt while not quite having finished shedding their older style and it makes for a very uneven and unfocused listen. Some songs are great but overall a flawed album. Living Death - Vengeance Of Hell. This is mostly due to Thorsten Bergmann’s vocals which are really awful on this album. Granted his singing is an acquired taste on all of their albums (aside from Killing In Action since he doesn’t sing on that one) but on their other releases his execution is definitely more listenable than it is here. Songs are decent enough but not great enough to overcome the bad vocals. Alice Cooper - Pretties For You and Easy Action. The reputation of these two albums speak for themselves and in this case I actually agree with the majority. The musical talent is there but it’s obvious they didn’t have a clearly defined direction yet and most of the songs just fumble around aimlessly.

[@vietnamd0820]

I agree with Nick, definitely check out Miniatry’s Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste…at least listen to the first half of the album

[@RAAZR-]

Necrophobic - The Nocturnal Silence

[@robcarrier1969]

I listened to 'Scum' for the first time ever two days ago, which is pretty nuts considering I grew up listening to Thrash and Death Metal through the 80s and 90s. Have to say, it sounds pretty terrible. I actually thought the recording was faulty as there was this tunless buzzing going on in the background, but I eventually realised it was the bass. LOL.

[@blackwaterrust476]

I have one, one of my favorite Modern Death Metal/grindcore bands is Benighted. They have consistently made so many awesome albums. However, with the Debut Benighted, it’s a mess. It doesn’t know if they wanted to be a black or Brutal Death Metal album, the production sounds dry, the songs are inconsistent. Psychosexual was a little better but suffered the same issues but then after that I’m glad they chose a direction and only gotten SOOO much better. Also agree on Scum

[@blackwaterrust476]

Psychosexual😂 fuck you autocorrect “Psychose” FUUUUUCK lmao

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- Honestly, I've never heard that debut. I think I got into them around Icon which I really enjoyed. I heard that they had a more black metal style which I can't even imagine given what they sound like now. I may just have to jam this one (and some of the earlier ones I missed) at some point just to hear it lol. Yeah, I appreciate Scum for being a launching point for grind but they got a lot better later on.

[@takodabostwick8507]

As a massive Motorhead fan, their self-titled debut is rocky. The cover songs they did were awesome though. But yeah it was just the beginning of Motorhead doing music. They got better with Overkill and Ace of Spades.

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- It's kind of a "failure to launch" album for me. They definitely had something but it just wasn't there yet.

[@bschuler6216]

I love Rocka Rolla!!! 🤘

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- It's fun but far from their best in my opinion.

[@bschuler6216]

@@thrallsofmetal Definitely far from their best...but not that far for me. Shockingly, I think I rank it #6 or #7. My JP ranking is: 1. Defenders Of The Faith 2. Painkiller (3. Unleashed In The East) 3. Sad Wings Of Destiny 4. Screaming For Vengeance. 5. or 6. Rocka Rolla Yeah, I dig Rocka Rolla more than Killing Machine (slightly) & definitely more than British Steel & (gasp!) Stained Glass. Haha Ta-ta!

[@sandhya315]

Eyehategod is in my top 3 bands and 100% agree with yall 😂

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- I love Eyehategod. Truly one of the most deranged bands in sludge and I wouldn't have it any other way.

[@ThrashZone521]

I see Killing Is My Business and I say hell no! That album is perfect in every way, and possibly my favorite Megadeth album! Another choice of mine is probably Sodom’s “Obsessed by Cruelty.” It’s good, but the whole “2 versions” things can get confusing.

[@filipdzero8739]

Disagree on KIMB (it's great, but not perfect & not their best, imo), but damn, that's a good pick with Sodom! I way prefer the In the Sign of Evil EP and unlike Kreator's Endless Pain, the sloppiness is actually detrimental for the album. It sounds messy and confusing & I'm very glad that they improved so quickly on Persecution Mania!

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- I'm right there with you, man! Killing is My Business is one their best in my mind. Yeah, I brought up Obsessed by Cruelty when someone brought up Kreator's "Endless Pain" as a pick. I could have understood Sodom getting off on a rocky start with their debut but not Kreator. Endless Pain is killer.

[@ThrashZone521]

@@thrallsofmetal Funny thing, I was the guy who said “Endless Pain”! I still love that album though, I don’t consider any album I’ve listened to bad. (There are exceptions though)

[@bschuler6216]

I love Killing Is My Business! I prefer it to Peace Sells, lol. But I cannot stand Obsessed By Cruelty. I do really dig Endless Pain though.

[@JustAnotherHeavyMetalManiac]

I agree that Word As Law is probably Neurosis’ weakest album. It was the rough transitionary album between the early hardcore stuff and the later stuff.

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- The Word as Law is just an odd album. It's a bit directionless at times but it does work as a transitional album kinda well. I got into them with Through Silver in Blood and that one as well as Times of Grace have been my gold standard for them since.

[@MetalNeverDieswithMarkA]

You guys should change the title to “Has Jammin Jon heard this album?”😂 but he’s not I’m like 50/50 with these albums as well. Cheers guys

[@beaniedogz]

We should do a best and worst for sophomores now 🤘

[@metalevilution4565]

When you know more about HUEY LEWIS than SYMPHONY X. 😉haha

[@mattirealm]

TBH, that Symphony X record is.............pretty rough. Russell Allen is an amazing singer and proved that on the other albums, but he wasn't the singer on their debut. I have not listened to the debut album more than a couple times TBH, but I have listened to their other stuff a lot. Huey Lewis was good! I love death metal, but give me 80's rock anytime: The Cars, Foreigner, Tears for Fears, Blue Oyster Cult, Dokken, also The Dio Band.

[@pop000690]

Patrick Bateman: You like Huey Lewis and the News?

[@FaerieGoatmother]

I'm picturing Huey in Blasphemy paint watching this and not even having your ish on his kvlt masterpiece

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- Uhhhh... what?

[@lutfimakarim8258]

Oooh. I have to disagree on Napalm Death though since i am a grindcore fan.

[@YONATOOTH]

I’m a grindcore fan, but I don’t like that album very much. I respect it a lot but I’m not going to put it on, cause there has been created so much better grind since then.

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- I love Napalm Death and while Scum is influential as hell it's still kinda on the rough side... especially side B.

[@thecroakedtoaster3398]

​@thrallsofmetal that's the best side lol

[@Conquistador37]

Scum are demos. The real debut is From Enslavement To Obliteration…. Does that logic totally change everything??

[@thecroakedtoaster3398]

@@Conquistador37 from enslavement sends scum home on a stretcher

[@Hecatecrossways]

Cirith Ungol - Frost and Fire, and Manilla Road - Invasion were definitely different from the rest of their catalog

[@mattirealm]

Thin Lizzy is such a good band! I was into them years ago, but lately, I have finally been just playing all their albums and it is all good! I haven't listened to their debut yet, and maybe I won't, given your guys opinions on it. As Nick said, "They have SO many great fucking albums!" Phil and company have an instantly recognizable sound by about 1975 and rolled into the 1980's with that sound. Deep Purple's first couple of albums with Rod Evans as singer are kinda meh. There are standout tracks like Hush and Kentucky Woman, but Deep Purple burst out with the amazing Deep Purple In Rock! Ian Gillan just added so much to that band. So while it wasn't a rough start, it was a bit mediocre and certainly the first 3 albums are not what we think of when we think of Deep Purple today. Pink Floyd's first......five albums just don't connect. I am with Nick here and really enjoyed their stuff from Meddle through The Division Bell. Not every famous band gets off to a badass start like Led Zeppelin or Queen IMO. Rush's first album is kinda rough, and you wonder why because Neil Peart (RIP) was not the drummer on that recording. They seriously improved in quality on the second record, Fly by Night and on up from there! Can't understand why someone thought Metallica's Kill em All was a rough start, as I don't. That album is raw and shows the band cutting loose and doing their thing. Cliff sounds amazing on all his work with Metallica, PERIOD! Lars sounds like shit, but frankly, Metallica was never known for having a great rhythm section. Suicidal Tendencies did a lot of great work from 1984 well into the 1990's IMO. Their first record though is fucking rough. I love Institutionalized and I Shot The Devil, but it is SO hit and miss on sound and writing. Even the reworked 1994 version is kinda meh to me. The next album is GOLD to me, that is, Join the Army! I have listened to that so many times and it just puts their debut to shame. Honorable mentions for good debut albums: Testament The Legacy, Iron Maiden (YES, I think Killers is killer, but Paul and company light it up IMO), Entombed Left Hand Path (DUH, it might be Nick's favorite album, but I adore this one as well), Mr Bungle (Okay, this is their first major label release, but it shows brilliance!), Bloodbath Resurrection Through Carnage (Like Fire, Trail of Insects, THE WHOLE FUCKING THING!), The Night Flight Orchestra Internal Affairs (Bjorn Strid on vocals, and the whole thing rocks, ALL of their albums rock!). One more I thought of. Nile just put out an amazing slab of metal with The Underworld Awaits Us All. However, I just don't dig Amongst the Catacombs of Nephren-Ka, or Black Seeds of Vengeance. They really took off for me with Annihilation of the Wicked and I will stand by that one! I do think their debut is rough, but they became such an amazing band that it doesn't matter IMO. Thanks for these videos \m/ \m/

[@Igor.J.Delgado]

I would argue that carcass, or at least Jeff would agree that reek is a rough start 🤭 just like Wagner from sarcofago, they have always hated the poor production on those early records and they're not too pleased with being an influence on bands that imitate that bad recordings. Btw I love early carcass and INRI, the ugliness of the production to me is a feature, not a bug. I would love if you talk about the first Alice Cooper record in another video. It sounds like a bunch of drunks trying to do an avant garde record but pink floyd they were not 😅 every song sounds like ten different songs played at the same time but every member is playing a different one. It's.. interesting. Not even Frank Zappa could comprehend what they were doing. Bob Ezrin really took that band to another level

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- I mean, it's no secret they didn't like the way the production turned out but in terms of coming out with something that was unique and kinda became a landmark album I'd still argue it's not that rough of a start. I honestly have never heard the first Alice Cooper album but now I'm curious with that description lol. I'm not sure if we're doing a follow up to this subject specifically because we covered so many on here but we definitely have some other discussions planned in the future that should be fun.

[@nobaloneyanzalone]

Oh cool, it’s another ‘bands best album’ show😜

[@nobaloneyanzalone]

But if someone calls Rocka Rolla, Priests best, “off with their ears!!”

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- I haven't seen anyone say Rocka Rolla is the best yet... that doesn't mean they're not out there though lol

[@eslwgpg1226]

@@thrallsofmetalit might not be their best but it does have Run Of The Mill on it so there’s a point in its favor for that

[@NocturnalSilence45]

Torture Killer was on Maximum Violence and not True Carnage. If you happen to give a fuck. Which I'm sure you don't anyway. Lol

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- I didn't know so I couldn't have corrected him. I only own Haunted and that's probably all I'll ever own lol

[@mahoelihaai]

John's voiice is so damn 'underrated'....love to hear him doing pig vocals

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- Which "John" are we talking about here?

[@CDNRecords]

Looooove the sound on MORBID VISIONS. True old school sound, makes the vibe that much more.

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- I like the songs themselves but I've never been a fan of the production on it.

[@henriquespencer8644]

My favourite Sepultura album

[@joerg721]

Disagreeing is more fun! Thumbs up, guys! 😊

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man!

[@joerg721]

@@thrallsofmetal Thank YOU guys, since I discovered your channel... I discovered a lot of new (well, at least new to ME, haha) music. That's great!

[@Gregbaltzer]

I'm going to cheat and say Hellhammer/Celtic Frost. When they were Hellhammer they got no respect from labels, and few metalheads. They could barely play. Almost everyone hated them. When they finally recorded Apocalyptic Raids the label hated it. They hated the production and sound of the album. The band hated how it sounded. I agree with both of them. Demon Entrails, the demo compilation, sounds better then Apocalypic Raids. They were having such a hard time with no one taking them seriously, that they dissolved Hellhammer and a few months late later they rebranded themselves Celtic Frost, and soon released the classic Morbid Tales. It took a long time for Tom G. Warrior to stop hating Hellhammer and appreciating their legacy. I'm also going to say Venomous Concept-Retroactive Abortion. I had a hard time getting into this album for a long time, but I loved Poisonous Apple, and Kick Me Silly. I appreciate it more, but I still consider it weak compared to all the albums that came after. Lastly, I love Therion and while I like the album Of Darkness.... It's incredibly generic. While it's an enjoyable Death Metal album, it is not a classic of the era when a lot of Death Metal bands were releasing much better albums in 1991. Their follow up album Beyond Sanctorum is so much better. It's better produced, better written, and the band just sounds so much more seasoned. I love Beyond Sanctorum. Edit: Fuck it, 1 more..Samhain-Initium. This album just sounds like a shittier version of the Misfits. There is even a Misfits cover, or two, on here. For sure a shittier version of Horror Business. I still like it...well, because. However the follow up album November Coming Fire is one of Danzig's best album, as well as being the beset Samhain release

[@Davescousemetal]

I think that without Dani Cradle would be a great band. But I do love Cradle. If cradle had someone like Bruce Dickinson they’d be more popular

[@Davescousemetal]

Just found out that napalm death are playing my hometown again Crowbar are supporting :). Can’t wait

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- I'd make that argument. There's definitely a lot of talent that's been through the band over the years.

[@tzmkira002]

A great video idea would be, albums (arguably) ruined by the recording

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- That's one we're considering as well. We something in the works for another conversation piece coming up soon.

[@tzmkira002]

@@thrallsofmetal nice. Another way to put it: Albums that deserve a proper recording

[@robcarrier1969]

Fuck me, War & Pain is a masterpiece!

[@jimmymahha4419]

I think the GWAR album RULES. They were always better as a punk band and the shows during the Hell-O era were fucking DISGUSTING, lol. They're my favorite band and i'm just generally more of a punk guy, so it resonates with me. Love the noisy elements and all of the stupid samples.

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- I love GWAR as a metal band but Hell-O is a blast. It's silly as hell and gloriously offensive but also pretty damn catchy.

[@michaelschafer7920]

Cradle of filth are the five finger death punch for black metal iv tried and I can't stand them

[@joeyuzwa891]

The person saying slow deep and hard is a rough start is smoking crack

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- LOL!

[@bschuler6216]

Exactly. Type O started off on a peak, and began its descent from there.

[@joeswansonanator]

If we were doing debuts that weren't metal, I would've said XTC's or New Order's debut.

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- We generally keep it pretty metal here but we allow some non-metal to pop up every now and then. I can't say I've listened to either debut though with those suggestions.

[@joeswansonanator]

@thrallsofmetal I recommend them. They're both very good, but they suffer the problem with being very different from the rest of their catalog. Like with XTC's debut, they didn't have a second guitarist but a keyboardist. So all over this record are these fafisa keyboard sounds that don't appear anywhere else in their catalog except maybe their 2nd record. New Order's debut is a Joy Division album without Ian Curtis. Very strange hearing Bernard Sumner and Peter Hook sing over JD songs. Thankfully, New Order found their footing on their next record.

[@bschuler6216]

Lol, totally agree with the New Order debut. Other than Dreams Never End (and I've always loved Doubts Even Here), it is a strange, unique album in their discography. It absolutely sounds like the follow up to Joy Division's Closer, and Bernard & Peter totally ape Ian's vocals.

[@joeswansonanator]

@bschuler6216 I'm not a fan of Joy Division, but if it were a JD album, it'd easily be my favorite. It really was the smart move on their end to make New Order into something else. Also those 2 song and the Him are awesome, especially Dreams Never End. That song was so good the Cure ripped it off.

[@bschuler6216]

@@joeswansonanator Oh, Unknown Pleasures is way better than that 1st New Order album, but to each their own. I just saw Peter Hook & The Light play 2 weeks ago for the first time. They did a New Order Set, and then a Joy Division set. They played like 30 songs. I was worn out after that show, lol.

[@CDNRecords]

Again, there's a vibe to REEK. Makes it even more gross.

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- The vibe of that album drips forth like pus from an infected wound lol

[@takodabostwick8507]

Metallica, hell no! Megadeth, maybe! Slayer (didn't see them on there but hell no!) Kill Em All is an awesome debut album. But Rise the Lighting is their best album easily! Kissing Is My Business for what it is is really good. Not great, but good. Yes Dave Mustaine was more technical with his guitar playing, but for what it is it's good. Show No Mercy is Slayer's second best album, behind Reign In Blood.

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- There's no "maybe" for me with Killing is My Business. That's one of their best albums in my opinion.

[@takodabostwick8507]

@@thrallsofmetal I'm in torn with that album to be quick honest. But it's nowhere close to the worst debut album. Forgot to mention Sepultura. I would agree because it was a different kind of metal they were playing and it's black metal. Good album, but good thing Sepultura sticked with thrash metal. Death thrash. If I included other metal bands that weren't 100% death metal but had tendencies, Sepultura would have my number 1 death metal band. Opeth be 4th behind Death and Cannibal Corpse.

[@Andyface79]

I think Ummagumma and Saucerful of Secrets are way worse than Piper.

[@Victor-em3nu]

havent seen the vid yet but Judas Priest and Sweet (maybe not the most metal pick) have awful first albums

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- I don't necessarily hate Rocka Rolla but they definitely did a lot better with the ones that followed. I've actually never jammed Sweet's first album. I really only know the hits from that band honestly.

[@Yaummers]

I agree with you guys on the EHG comments, but for me, even though they probably wanted it that way, none of the songs ever really stood out for me or are really memorable. Take As Needed for Pain is far superior to the debut. I have listened to the debut many times but it is just not very enjoyable. Not bad, but not something I ever revist when I am in the mood for EHG. For me, it is the worst record in their discography.

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- I will say they definitely got better at making the songs stand apart on Take as Needed for Pain and especially Dopesmoker but there's something I love about that debut as a continuous, punishing and unsettling listen. I'd almost argue that Eyehategod isn't listened to for enjoyment but rather catharsis lol.

[@bschuler6216]

In The Name Of Suffering was the only music I could listen to during the worst of my withdrawing when I kicked dope the last time, lol. Granted, I didn't have a copy of Dopesick.

[@JunkYardCardGuy]

GWAR's Hell-o is pretty ass...

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- It's more of a novelty for me but I kinda dig it.

[@DefenestratedMessiah]

Prostitute disfigurement- embalmed madness. Great riffs & vocals but the production is weak and the drum machine makes it sound unprofessional. Everything this album does was done better on 'Deeds of Derangement'

[@bschuler6216]

Dimmu Borgir - For All Tits!

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- LOL

[@Ozzy.Knuckles.666]

You might be a poser if.... you start your videos with a "what's up everyyybody" but also if you talk about Arch Enemy and Black Dahlia

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- Why didn't you just say "and" instead of "but also"? Seriously, it would flow a lot better.... but also... LOL!

[@Ozzy.Knuckles.666]

@@thrallsofmetal And would convey you had to do both to be poserly. Alas, each one on it's own equates you to poserdom

[@thrallsofmetal]

Necrotic Nick- Did you suffer a concussion between comments? This is more "Ye Ol' Village Idiot" than Shakespeare, bro. Valiant attempt though lol.

[@bschuler6216]

Alas! 😂🤣 Are you a lass? Or just an olde ass?