RAW and UNCUT STEVE ALBINI Interview from Metal Evolution | BANGERTV

[@tigerkuma1011]

By Albini standards he is quite diplomatic here. I've seen interviews where he just savaged everyone. Before his death he also recanted some of his more inflammatory comments. Much respect .

[@CrescentandJasmine]

Albini was an authentic human being. R.I.P.

[@mushroomleg]

Thank god he addressed the NirVanna pronunciation! Jesus, Sam. Thanks and RIP.

[@WillyJunior]

Where does this happen in the video?

[@Jalex_Owns]

Possibly one of the most articulate, unpretentious people in the business and a brilliant songwriter, engineer, and just genuinely passionate musician and lover of music to walk the planet in my lifetime. Thanks a million for posting this in its entirety, and posthumous thanks to Albini for correcting that ridiculous pronunciation of Nirvana.

[@BuyersMarket69]

articulate but very pretentious. particularly with his take on metal bands being "in it for teh sechs" when if you know anything about Steve Albini, he went above and beyond the depravity that few metal musicians could top, and by few i mean the few that are in prison if you get my drift O_o he's baffled by heavy metal's bravado and grandiosity because it shines a reflection of either a very overlooked or intentionally hidden area of himself. much of what he says about metal seems like projection on his part.

[@Fidelio116]

@@BuyersMarket69 It’s impressive to see how naïve Albini was. All of rock music is about posing and building an image, it is about a subculture, and it is about youth. The rundown image of working class Nirvana is also a choice and it’s also seen by any civilization as an excuse for you to be a young illiterate druggie anguished loser who feels he’s not understood, with ripped jeans. Just look at the world before subcultures and youth culture took over. Look at the world before the fifties. It is simply not serious to choose for your life to revolve around youth and simplistic rock music, even if you’re writing pseudo-superficial ill informed non-complex existential adolescent lyrics, which you think are deep philosophy. And which are not. Go read Plato. Nirvana is as serious as Mano war. One of the differences being that maybe the fact that Kurt Cobain took that self-destructive unaffected nihilism too seriously helped deepen his depression, whereas the Manowar guys probably know that they are putting on a show for young people predominantly. Rock ‘n’ roll has been about music, and not the most complex music that humanity can produce at that, and also about having an image, since before Elvis Presley really. Look at Sid vicious. Look at the ramones. The fact that a grown man on his 60s really thinks that there’s that much of a difference between all of these rock bands is a testament to the comfort that capitalism produces. In two hundred years no one is going to really see the difference between poison and Nirvana. Most of the adult works already doesn’t. Nobody cares about this besides rock and roll fans.

[@BuyersMarket69]

@@Fidelio116 i would say within the next decade ppl wont see the difference between Poison and Nirvana. even Buzz Osbourne admitted recently in an interview that Nirvana made songs to sell records and be commercially viable. it's all an image they project but alotta the early grunge artists didn't realize it was a gimmick until it was too late.

[@mjnomy]

Very pretentious, and SO "underground" 🙄

[@Fidelio116]

@@mjnomy He was a very good and important producer, and his work speaks for itself, but he clearly took "punk" and rock culture way too seriously.

[@paulvanreesch2493]

"singer with a cod piece... shit like that" 😂

[@MosherBear]

Thanks for this. It's hard to believe that he is no longer around and his view point on the industry - not taking points on a record, just accepting a one off payment - should not be forgotten. RIP Steve Albini.

[@MichaelJohnson-184]

Damn I am so sad this man is gone from the music scene. We need more Steve Albini's in the music world. He calls it like he sees it and he speaks truth. RIP Steve.

[@gregpolard5684]

Thank you for sharing this. A true legend…what a horrible loss.

[@ShiceSquad]

I still can't believe he's gone. With his relentless work ethic and notable lack of substance abuse problems, he just seemed unkillable.

[@SlowerRiot]

@@ShiceSquad Yup. he looks mid 40s at MOST here. Hard to believe he's in his 60's in this video, harder still to believe he's gone.

[@ShiceSquad]

@@SlowerRiot It is especially frustrating that he was so damned healthy and ended up keeling over anyway. Not much of an incentive to quit drinking and smoking, if your heart might just give out anyway, now, is it? I can only imagine he must have worked himself to death.

[@Drangus135]

@@SlowerRiothe’s about 45 in this video

[@shawnsummers2580]

Absolutely ❤

[@coreyrini550]

to whomever is responsible for posting/creating this - thank you so very much. Steve is one of my musical heroes...I will be forever depressed that he died b4 I could record with/ or even just meet & thank him for his 'plumbing' services! I still have the chance to work with Jack Endino....my god i need a drummer (where t.f. are they all hiding?!)

[@timhall3575]

RIP Steve; a terrible loss. Been listening to new (last?) Shellac album a hell of a lot these past few weeks. He leaves an indelible mark on music and the ethics around it.

[@lukewand]

Really well done interview... I can't get enough of people talking about things that they don't care about and doing it well

[@BangerTV]

lmao

[@jairaugusto9289]

this has got to be the most informative interview on rock music I've ever watched. congratulations and rip mr albini.

[@stevenhenry5267]

Albini was always a great interview. Very informative and articulate.

[@humphreyearwicker312]

I’m fascinated with the arc of Albini from the 90 lb. terror of the 1980s underground to the thoughtful old craftsman of the 2020s. I will bet a cool hundred that he built the chair he was sitting in during this interview. I would love to hear an interview where he talks about abandoning the edgelord throne and adopting a more mature philosophy of life. RIP.

[@myguitardidyermom212]

I hear tell that his wife was a large factor in his maturation

[@ColeWheeler4Lyfe]

By “edge lord” do mean his love for the magazine “PURE”? 😢 He was a disgusting POS regardless of his work ethic and skill in the studio. I’ve lost all respect for him.

[@Wagoo]

Really great to get the full unedited thing, it's wonderful listening to his thoughts. Cheers

[@reidfleming2k6]

Best nickelback joke of all time

[@panajotisp.1827]

thank you for sharing that interview. I was crushed upon hearing that he died

[@hardrocker498]

RIP Steve, his records with Songs: Ohia /Jason Molina are legendary. Great and insightful interview.

[@johntbd]

Very good interview. Steve as direct as always. May he Rest In Peace.

[@RobTrujillo]

Great interview, thank you so much for that!

[@AdamSoucyDrums]

58:50 what a goddamn legend

[@TaylorVallens]

Kinda funny how I’ve seen Shellac twice and they were the only band ive ever had to actually wait in line for hours in order to score tickets- each time.

[@michelleneeds4165]

Rest in peace dude! Wjat a guy! Thank you so so much for that. I think you get a real feel for the guy in this interaction. One honest dude.

[@this-is-slammin-549]

I love Steve’s unapologetic frankness.

[@sworm-music]

And the great thing about music is it's ok to like both 80s metal and grunge. Each have their merits.

[@jimcressos9942]

RIP Steve Albini. He left behind an untouchable legacy. I would have liked for him to recognize Mudhoney in the context of the pioneers of the Grunge scene and doing it in an authentic way.

[@aboutdafunk]

He’s recorded and produced many great bands but my fave will always be The Jesus Lizard !

[@michelleneeds4165]

He's a nice guy, I like him just fine, but he's a mouth breather!!!

[@DavidBusiness-wb2jo]

​@@michelleneeds4165 Drum sound on that record is phenomenal. As is the drumming, and the guitars. And let's not forget the bass. Vocals were always a bit muffled, though

[@defshrimp]

Steve Albini is the man. Thanks for the uncut footage.

[@jasoncecala757]

This is an incredible interview.

[@CEddy10165]

Great articulate interview Sam. Thanks very much for sharing this!

[@ZacharyMoonshine]

Great interview! I grew up getting into metal with bands like Iron Maiden, WASP, Motley Crue etc then got into thrash and death metal in the 90s like Sepultura etc., but the funny thing is at that same time in the early 90s i also loved Nirvana, Alice In Chains, Soundgarden etc. I still love all of it but i saw how some kids would only stay in one lane at a time.

[@mattfleurant9295]

Thanks!

[@ronaldjbateman]

Thank you for uploading this.

[@aizabeewalken]

I am so shocked of Steve Albini passing. He was truly an innovator and pioneer.

[@josephhopeless829]

Oh god he died a few days before my birthday. Big black really appealed to me and bands like slint or pj Harvey. Well I have like 2 people left that I respect whole heartedly, what a blow, he was who he was until the end.

[@UseTheSupeRsonic]

Rest in Rock Steve Albini.....and for you I shall forever take a piss on SM57s in your honor!

[@reggiebannister4098]

I remember back in the 90s listening to PJ Harvey's "Rid of Me" album and just having my face absolutely melted with some of the tracks. "Legs" and Uri G" come immediately to mind. He turned her into a sludgy, female Glenn Danzig with that album. It'll always be in my top 5.

[@QuasarSniffer]

Hell yeah. PJ Harvey is the fucking truth🤘

[@tomlotti240]

Interesting to hear his thoughts on metal. Around the mid 90s things to kind of a turn, and people were making stuff that sounded pretty metal, but didn't have the whole look. And, incidentally, he was involved in the production of it. Thinking of Helment, and Don Caballero's debut "For Respect". Sure, Damon Che, would spit fire from behind the drum kit at shows and everything, but they didn't look like conventional metal heads at all. Anyway, thanks for posting.

[@TheCondorjc]

RIP Steve 🙏🏼

[@freq9939]

Great interview.

[@NavelOrangeGazer]

The history Steve is talking about here is fleshed out very well in the documentary "Such Hawks, Such Hounds". The "raw" strain of metal that's now called "doom, or stoner" is what Black Flag concocted on the b-side of My War and the Melvins spread far and wide to the underground and grunge is like its distant cousin. This is very apparent in the sound of a band like Alice In Chains on their sludgier songs.

[@Wheeeeeeeeee-e2i]

You just gave me something else to watch. Thanks!

[@hankworden3850]

Wow! You must be the Professor of Punk! 🥴

[@compucorder64]

Thanks for the tip. Just listened to that album. Yip, checks out. Must watch that documentary. On Albini's point about there being some latent D.N.A. of metal, I think you can just about hear that in the drums and guitar in the Black Flag album. Maybe just a hint of more stranger / instrumental Black Sabbath takes. And I think you can hear Black Sabbath even more so in The Melvins and AIC. And Black Sabbath, in a way weren't that flashy flamboyant guitar solo. Sometimes I think of Black Sabbath more as a Psychedelic band, more like Hawkwind. Which reminds me of another band that kind of fit in the gaps between punk and 'metal': Motorhead.

[@SwineBrothers]

I know why you did this, but I think more documentary makers should post the raw uncut interviews. Can't tell you how many times I've been watching a documentary, heard an interview and wondered what else someone said.

[@SM-qe4wd]

YES THIS! I think of this all the time when I watch PBS or Ken Burns documentaries.

[@83442handle]

19:30 Steve telling the Pearl Jam story again LOL

[@livefromtheskycabin1043]

Nice to see From Obscurity to Oblivion displayed prominently.

[@chancethadood]

funny interview! love it

[@C.P.O.B]

I'm glad he made the distinction between Silverchair and some of the other bands. They got a lot of shit but I was always impressed with how good they were for 15/16 yr olds. Not sure why Bush got a pass though 😂

[@justingurley836]

He literally says in the interview why Bush gets a pass from him.

[@C.P.O.B]

@@justingurley836 I literally said I'm not sure why? They were the most cliche of all the post grunge bands and Gavin Rosdale was 30.

[@83442handle]

At least Steve had a good take on Silverchair but honestly Steve has terrible taste when it comes to music and basically hates everything that would be a radio friendly hit(he admits to this and told the famous story where he was recording Razorblade Suitcase and they asked Steve to rank the songs and Steve put Swallowed so low not making it as a song on the album and it ended up being Bush's biggest song of their career. Usually the only way for one of those bands to get Steve's respect is for them to directly work with Steve. Steve did not like Nirvana at first until he worked with them. Bush is the same thing except I don't think Steve likes their music at all still but he was very cool with Gavin so he lets it slide and then says "well cause they toured a lot and Gavin likes the Pixies then Gavin gets a pass" which is silly to give them a pass but Steve them bashes the Smashing Pumpkins calling them REO Speedwagon in 1995. Steve bashed Pearl Jam for decades because they had connections in the industry to help get a record deal without touring which funny enough Bush got a record deal the same way(Gavin was a recording artist prior to Bush which his past was hidden because he had a George Michaels pop look). Also Foo Fighters are the biggest example of a band getting big because of connections(ex-Nirvana drummer) but you don't here Steve bash them because he like Dave Grohl but I guarantee you Steve does not like Foo Fighters music at all. Also Steve bashing GNR in this interview is hilarious acting like they are some generic LA hair band with no talent.

[@stevenhenry5267]

Silverchair signed too young.

[@damonslimmon]

Genius

[@naturphilosophie1]

I see you have the new NOMEANSNO book on your desk!

[@colstonvear1958]

Thanks

[@АнтонИванов-т8в]

Спасибо маэстро мы росли на вас 🙋🙋🙋🙋🤟🤟🤟🤟за глаток свежего воздуха

[@ReadyMindsetGo]

Wow never expected a metal focused channel to even mention Steve Albini let alone put up a full interview, and done so respectfully, posthumously. RIP Steve. Thank you BangerTV. Now I will watch the interview.

[@Wheeeeeeeeee-e2i]

Hey, it’s traffic to the channel, right? 😂 If there was any real respect for bands in the punk lineage then we wouldn’t be intentionally mispronouncing “Nur-VON-uh.” They know it makes us crazy. 😂 “Nir-VAN-uh”… 🤢 they do realize that the pronunciation in the In Bloom video is a joke about old people, right? 😂

[@oldnewbicycle]

RIP

[@thoughts_are_free]

many thx for this gem! Steve was an audiophile genius ...

[@Wheeeeeeeeee-e2i]

@@joeylummox7330😮

[@teecuzbruh4058]

@@joeylummox7330 OOOOSH!

[@ndSpaz]

@@joeylummox7330 what do you mean?

[@theironworker781]

Albini liked some metal from what I recall. On the other hand, I think his impressions of heavy metal were based on what he saw on MTV in the 80s. The whole grunge vs. glam thing is old. One flamed out pretty much and the other flickers on. There have been good and not so good bands in both camps. Grunge was a form of metal. It was 70s metal mixed with punk and indie rock.

[@stevenhenry5267]

He liked Black Sabbath. Which is completely understandable 😃❤️

[@5retsam]

Am I alone in thinking Shellac was awesome?

[@EdFredHernandez]

You're not alone

[@chuckblack8227]

Just got here. No

[@123612100]

Big black, dude

[@5retsam]

@123612100 Big black was first. At Action Park from his band, Shellac is a fantastic album.

[@EdFredHernandez]

@@5retsam so is Dude Incredible

[@chrisnaes5150]

Savage Nickleback criticism

[@midnightchaseproject]

This is poetry dawg.

[@damnvoid6603]

why is the interviewer unable to successfully pronounce Nirvana...?

[@OkHoop22]

lol

[@isleofbelisle]

He's Canadian and might just pronounce it differently.

[@johnrazeo4156]

FUCK! He was such a Real human being! This was a great interview. I was Hoping he'd talk about Neurosis. R.I.P 🙏

[@ronaldjbateman]

A nice tip of the hat to Neil Hamburger in there. RIP King.

[@stevenhenry5267]

There were plenty of metalheads who liked hardcore punk. That's why there was a mud 80s crossover.

[@apimb1396]

Big Black

[@VanishedPNW]

He sure LOVES using metaphors as a comparative tool...finding the most hilariously absurd ways to describe the carefully curated & engineered idiocy of 80s hair bands.

[@ELMENDORFX]

What year was this interview conducted?

[@Jackmonster3231]

When was this interview conducted?

[@Artefracture]

JFC the way you kept saying Nirvanna...

[@Malegys]

Good to see Mr Albini having a pop at Whitesnake. Hard to explain my extreme hatred of that band.

[@plunderpunk2]

When you return your Nickleback CD to the store they'll give you how much...?

[@theironworker781]

The grunge bands did express admiration for other metal bands.

[@sunsty1e]

wise dude rip

[@theironworker781]

And he was still a snarky teenager at heart. Acting like he’s above it all, his opinions are fact, and his personality revolves around what he doesn’t like.

[@aliya_punkenglish]

He also did thousands of records during the coffee breaks between spreading his opinions, of which he was actually asked btw because people were interested in his opinions, including you, otherwise why are you here?

[@ColeWheeler4Lyfe]

Is anyone familiar with Steve’s opinions on the “art zine” PURE from the early 80’s? 😢

[@MetalPersonJ]

17:45 I feel like AC/DC would want to slap him for saying that about them.

[@TheBomber15]

What? For giving them a compliment?

[@MetalPersonJ]

@@TheBomber15 They hate being called heavy metal, and I'm not sure they would take kindly to those terms.

[@adrianordonez8800]

​@@MetalPersonJI mean, at the end of the day, what ac/dc REALLY is is a pub band on crank, and I'd say everything steve albini described them with applies as such

[@myguitardidyermom212]

Nerve Anna

[@teecuzbruh4058]

BUSH got that street cred....LOL

[@WesleyGravolet]

Yes..haha

[@gytrplr]

We lost a real one

[@ELMENDORFX]

Mid-late 80’s friend and I drove from Long Beach Ca, to the Sunset Strip. Near the Whiskey - Rainbow the friend I were freaked out how many incredible looking women were in one spot. We quickly parked, walked briskly to the spot were we saw all the hot chicks, to see there were not hot chicks but dudes in heavy metal wear, hair all black teased up. Friend and I laughed hard saying over again that night “Ohh F, ohhh F, Ohh F! I thought they were chicks!” My friend and I were surfers and our favorite band The Ramones

[@VaultOvDoom]

23:18 I've heard it pronounced the same way Steve is saying it. I heard a philosopher say it that way and thats credible to me. But thanks for being wqell mannered

[@punkfan97]

Thev other thing Calgary is famous for is Bret Hart

[@CicconeRitchie1]

When Albini is talking about the Hair Metal sound production I feel like he could be talking about “modern metal” or Metalcore in 2024. Let’s all pray that a scene wipes that off the face of the earth as the Seattle bands did. Shits getting old……

[@MetalPersonJ]

It should be the New wave of trad metal.

[@MetalPersonJ]

@@joeylummox7330 I honestly think metalcore being the approved "popular" rock form is the only reason hip hop became bigger than rock.

[@CicconeRitchie1]

@@joeylummox7330 Punk Rock MBA did a great video on metalcore. Finn is spot on in his video when he says that the new “metalcore” bands is so far removed from hardcore that the genre is getting diluted to Meshuggah esque breakdowns and Linkin Park choruses.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Some people in the comments feel a certain way about the pronounciation of the word "Nirvana" - I invite them to listen to Paper Cuts and hear which way Cobain pronounced it. Just sayin. EDIT: Wow, in general these comments are very cretinous - not even just about the pointless pronounciation fixation. Hope that's not a channel-wide thing.

[@stevenhenry5267]

Kurt Cobain struggled between wanting to be punk and wanting to be poppy.

[@emayan6620]

51:47 Couldn't you say at least some of those bands he doesn't like, including cartoonish hair metal bands (totally agree about them) built their followings the old fashioned way as well? From playing shows and "by having people like them, busting their balls, by having people like their record," as he says? I'm also not sure if the way he's portraying Pearl Jam is accurate. As far as i know, they had a built in audience not because they were put together like the Backstreet Boys, but because Mother Love Bone already had an audience.

[@lucewolf]

Great interview 🤘

[@arf1994]

The Black album came out in august 1991 and softened the ears for Nevermind which came out in September 1991. Metallica made heavy music more accessible. That's my theory. I thought the black album sounded good but was too slow. Nirvana were okay but Pentera and Megadeth are way better.

[@MetalPersonJ]

Pantera also had at least one objective thrash song on every one of their post 80s albums. I'll be honest, the "groove metal" tag on them was always a little questionable. Sure the singles were groovy, but no fast/thrashy song ever makes it to radio. Aside from BYOB, but that was the exception that proves the rule.

[@r4x2]

It’s probably more like college rock stations and alternative rock and punk had prepared people for grunge for about a decade and a half.

[@Brokenface]

​​@@r4x2 it is, i doubt that was Metallica's merit

[@ShiceSquad]

Is this interviewer pronouncing Nirvana wrong on purpose to be funny?

[@Wheeeeeeeeee-e2i]

It makes me insane LOL. I feel like some definitely do it on purpose. Dude, it’s a U.S. band so pronounce it the U.S. way. I don’t say “tor-TIL-uh” like my racist grandad did, I say “tor-TEE-uh.” 😂 Otherwise, super grateful that this is up on KZbin. ❤

[@ShiceSquad]

@@Wheeeeeeeeee-e2i I thought it was a reference to the beginning of the In Bloom video, where Doug Llewelyn deliberately says Nir-VAN-a to sound extra square and out of touch like a proper variety show host

[@ShiceSquad]

@@Wheeeeeeeeee-e2i Pity about your tor-TIL-uh-saying grandad, though. My condolensces.

[@Wheeeeeeeeee-e2i]

@@ShiceSquad LOL I think of that EVERY TIME! That, and a really funny interview clip of a young Dave Grohl educating Canada on the correct pronunciation. It was adorable. 😂

[@ShiceSquad]

@@Wheeeeeeeeee-e2i Never saw that Dave Grohl clip you're talking about, but now I know I have to. Have you got a link to it?

[@douchecraft3113]

The pronunciation of "Nirvana" is driving me crazy. Otherwise brilliant interview.

[@elizakavtion760]

I don't understand why all radio DJ's in canada say "NEARVAANA" to this day like? we had television, we had mtv and Muchmusic in the 90's, where did that bizarre pronunciation come from?

[@LTLBRD]

i love the dude, but let's get clear, there is a lot of idealization of indie rock in his words. for example nirvana were not "school friends listening to melvins", maybe there were in the begging, well everybody starts somewhere right? They kicked out their drummer because thay've seen a better one, Kurt had different rates and royalties then the rest of the band, and they had a second gitar at some period, just because Kurt was a fan of the man. Meanwhile true indie community in Olympia didn't want Nirvana at their festival because they thought they were sold out posers. As books say, being in late nirvana was a torture.

[@newforestpixie5297]

i was 17 in England in 1981 & god i wish I’d seen Black Flag in action . If they got radio play it would’ve been John Peel but as for visuals, none unless you were lucky. The difference between Black Flag & Venom for instance playing to a crowd is laughable cos no matter how shocking their daft or sexist lyrics or words were , they as with most those NWOBHM were as interesting to see live as Pink Floyd without the effects. In 1980 iron maiden actually sung about Street stuff & was a breath of air but it all as Steve says went to ‘fast women’ or drinking or fast cars & bikes….then Legends & demons Yawn Yawn & beyond certain cities in southern England there wasn’t access for 16 yr old kids to see punk hardcore like the Upstarts or Exploited where their supporters were usually poseurs rather than racists !

[@davypelletier]

It’s not nirVANNAH

[@jfrey1]

NirVANNA White

[@adamcoe]

i honestly want to know who, ever in their lives, thought nir-VAN-ah was the correct way to say that word, whether in reference to the band, or the state of being. if he isn't a native english speaker then forgive me, but he sure as shit sounds like he speaks english insanely well. and still leans into it after being corrected. not to mention, it has NEVER been considered correct to say that word that way. jesus bud get a clue

[@KevinVH-84]

What do you mean with “uncut” and “raw” exactly? I see one cut after the other.

[@theironworker781]

And dude, it’s all show business. Music is a business. It’s all larger than life. He romanticizes grunge. The ones that are still around are making a living doing it. Soundgarden played big venues. They played between pantera and skid row. The only get real jobs when they can’t make money playing music anymore.

[@brandonbelt5055]

He was a real life, flesh and blood superhero.

[@punkinmyvitamins1]

NirMiniVanUh

[@deemon9573]

Here for the butthurt gnr fans

[@davidmeyer1054]

@@deemon9573 I'm here to watch people defend this pdf

[@deemon9573]

@@davidmeyer1054 you seem pretty obsessed with anything pdf related

[@VictorNickel]

How did that "safe and effective" work out for you Steve?

[@teecuzbruh4058]

Doesn't appear to have been those particular things, does it...(Albini speak)

[@danielvahnke3369]

Too bad the interviewer is eternally 9 years old.

[@allanokeefe104]

GNR were doing just fine during Nirvana's hey day Steve, the Illusion tour was gigantic and pretty much lasted from Nevermind through In Utero, not sure they needed them to open up for relevance.

[@MetalPersonJ]

GNR was doing fine until Spaghetti Incident. Which grunge had no bearing on.

[@allanokeefe104]

@@MetalPersonJ well yeah we look back and say that was the last thing that line up put out but it was really just a fill in album before the next lot of original material...was recorded during the Illusions sessions.

[@hankworden3850]

GNR is one of the most overrated and boring turds of all time.

[@WesleyGravolet]

Yea they did but as a cultural movement it was more or less over...at least that what it seemed!

[@adrianordonez8800]

​@@hankworden3850overrated? Probably, boring? No.

[@cheraderama]

It's kinda weird how through this entire conversation there is no acknowledgement that underground metal is a thing that existed in the 80s

[@justingurley836]

They didn’t need to acknowledge it because that’s not what they were talking about. They seemed to be comparing two genres that were the most popular of their times and how they differed ; and also what inspired each of them. The underground metal of the 80’s didn’t massively inspire of either of the hair metal or the “grunge” scenes so they didn’t go down that road. At least that was my impression.