Banner Bearer | Way too Early Impressions | Elder Scrolls Online

[@chaxgo]

We can finally be a IC Flag boss

[@Temfoolery]

lmao

[@sticky0159]

This skills Focus Scripts, Signature and Affix Script really helps Necro since you can stack more DoT damage and Necro passives with Flame Damage, Class Mastery passive that gives more corpses and Major Brutality and Sorc that Necro doesn't have access to its class skills. So you can sacrifice 2 skill lots to benefit a lot to the class which is really good.

[@Temfoolery]

Major Brutality is already on Skeletal Archer and the corpse thing only generates a corpse if their isn't one. The sad reality of Cros is their base damage is already so low compared to other classes you won't build the skill for them.

[@sticky0159]

@@Temfoolery Was thinking more of the Pvp side but fair point

[@Temfoolery]

@@sticky0159 ah ye I don't do much on the PvP side of the game :)

[@ReturnOfNoobMaster]

I expect it will be used on two arcs. It should actually increase their dps with it generating a crux every five seconds which will always result in one flail before beam rather than two. Camo hunter on both bars will be dropped for it, but the banner can give prophecy and healers keep up minor berserk well enough. Coral uptimes will increase, and the only downside is losing the 3% weapon damage from fighters guild passives.

[@Temfoolery]

This is honestly what i figured would happen. Sadly for me personally it still doesn't fix the its boring af to use problem but ye Arcs are probably the best option for it in its current state.

[@VarkariVarykino]

Arcs running exhausting will, in fights such as Xalvakka or Taleria, and potentially Ansuul and Chimera, already struggle with sustain. Possible running the banner would necessitate h/s/s-recovery food or parse food. Former would lose a bit of damage latter would be... interesting lol

[@jahloveinfla]

@@Temfoolery agreed with this, i kinda expected it to be used on arcs for the crux gen and also because they don't need as many slots for damage as some dps. I'm also kind of curious how it interacts with the class scripts for Necro or DK tanks. if it can passively generate corpses or refresh the DK dmg mitigation buff every few seconds it could be very strong.

[@Temfoolery]

@@jahloveinfla So it was tested on a Necro DPS by someone and they got to like 45k? stamina after like 30 seconds on the dummy :P so it might be kinda funny.

[@funkydunkas101]

Make the recoveries more punishing like 50% and make it 1 bar, id much prefer that than its current state

[@vossboss220]

Maybe the target cap was supposed to prevent it from being useful on massive ball groups in cyro? But like theyre gonna use it anyway

[@Temfoolery]

Pretty much I was assuming that they don't want ball groups going insane with more damage buffs but they will probably jail someone anyway so it just makes it super awkward for PvE.

[@xrootx3466]

Banner recovery is not that problem, is actually good work they did there. Just small improvements are needed. The skill is good

[@leeoulic1887]

Arcanist or Templar can provide Minor Fortitude/Intellect/Endurance, and then either/or can wield/utilize Apocryphal Inspiration set to provide group composition a further Major Fortitude/Intellect/Endurance to account for the 33% loss of recoveries. In total order, a 45% boost to recoveries that levels out the potential loss from Banner Bearer.

[@Temfoolery]

This is true most of this was made from a tanking perspective and we already have the buffs anyway. But ye :)

[@cal7434]

I was thinking that popping a tri pot would negate most of the drawback alone, then I could provide a better buff to the group because a lot of other people are usually getting those major recovery bonuses anyways if they are also using pots.

[@Kaellora]

Ye I imagine itll be more used in PvP small groups That and niche for fun setups

[@Temfoolery]

depresso expresso :(

[@Mrcaptainmorgan93]

Aside from some people doing it for rp i dont see this being used too often

[@krieg_guardsman9548]

Is there an ulti gen option?

[@Temfoolery]

Sadly no

[@flonyme8174]

I dont get it 6% buff to one damage type at the cost of 2 bar slots and 33% reduced recovery? Most other buffs give 5% or 10% etc and dont require any of the downsides. 33% recovery is like a 5 piece gear bonus. So give up a 5 piece and 2 bar slots for a buff that is weaker than 99% of already existing buffs. Sure it can stack with named buffs. Only use i see is running a heavy attack sorc with it slotted in group play. But is is worth dropping 50k damage on a dd in the group to give 6% extra dot damage to 5 players. Doubt it.

[@Temfoolery]

Honestly on a tank the 33% recovery nerf isn't that bad its slightly worse than maxed out spaulder on most average tank setups. But ye sometimes it is a little confusing on why they did what they did.

[@Xesh]

Isn't it for pvp groups..

[@EmperorZanan]

Arc dps can drop camo for it. Fire, class master, prophecy Buffs caster and 5 others. Keep dps close. 6/8 dps for buffs ain't bad. Not perfect for all content but it's definitely good. Could be better, like 12 ppl buffed would be nice. But it's not terrible if used right.

[@Temfoolery]

I fully agree that arcs are a good option I just dislike the toggable nature of the skill + scribing as a whole with the caps :). But ye i do think you'll see it on Arcs

[@EmperorZanan]

@Temfoolery I'm ok with the toggle and resource penalty. But the double bar is kinda lame. If it was a single bar with a cost and timer that would be ok too, as long as they drop the recovery penalty. Big issue with the scribing support skills are definitely the cap on 6 players and that it'll be the same 6 unless one dies or leaves the aoe of the skill. Sea Unicorn did a video on it and the implications of the healing skills and then the buffs attached to the scribing skills. Definitely an L design

[@VarkariVarykino]

Cros don't need bar space trust

[@Temfoolery]

Honestly when making this I didn't even think about necros. They don't exist in my head past tanking.