Bannon RIPS INTO Elon Musk In Latest MAGA Civil War

[@tdackjordan5873]

"Lack of skilled workers in the US" translates to "US workers are not desperate enough to do whatever we tell them to do".

[@orlock20]

It's about low wages. If the minimum wage for H1B was $80,000 a year, few companies would use it.

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

​@@orlock20what's the minimum wage for H1B?

[@TheJackrat]

Its not just the lower wages, its long hours. Workers want life/work balance. You cant compete in the global market and think you can maintain better work work conditions.

[@WookieeWarrior3000]

A lot of H1B visa holders are also locked into the companies they first get into the program with. Meaning they are essentially indentured to the company and much less likely to leave for fear of having to restart the visa process. How can Americans compete with that?

[@orlock20]

@@zuzanazuscinova5209 Nothing beyond the standard law on minimum wage which is the problem. Businesses are paying H1B workers much less than their American counterpoints. Let's say a job normally pays $90,000 per year. The company offers the job for $40,000 per year. No Americans take the job, so the company applies for a H-1B visa and gets some foreigner to do the job for $40,000 a year.

[@alexamancio7144]

As a Software Engineer myself, we struggle to find jobs, and I find it funny that they said we have a shortage of engineers. That’s not true; many of us struggle to get a job. They just want low-pay engineers. That’s it.

[@jayb2491]

Thank you for being an Engineer for America. Served 24 years in Army and learned the importance of our Army Engineers in Afghanistan. You guys rock!!!

[@kemeticminds]

Who knows how much better our engineers would be without the mind games, manipulation, and difficulty in finding positions. The amount of time wasted looking for work would make us all next level!

[@evulclown]

Putin owns Elon. Now Putin owns America.

[@wendyperez8714]

They don't complete the sentence. They have a shortage of engineers (who will work for crap, forgo insurance or vacation or sick-time, work overtime without getting paid for it) but they'll say out loud they have a shortage of engineers who speak Mandarin or whatever the fuck thing they come up with.

[@Ragnar-Lothbroks]

This is spot on. H1B visas make up approximately 1% of STEM workers in this country, but they continue to drive the wages of the millions of skilled American trained engineers down the tubes. We don't need more H1B visas for our companies, we need the shareholders to not demand more money to do nothing while we do all the work and build all the value.

[@marcusaurelius8417]

H1B - Laying off American tech workers and replacing them with foreign workers. All you need to know about this program.

[@jeremyking9094]

That's not All You Need to Know That's partly what you need to know. Americans should come first then H1B should supplement. Edit but also you need the best most qualified people for the job.

[@HSE331]

@@jeremyking9094the best qualified people are not in india all you need to know

[@Rocky-sr4cw]

@marcusaurelius8417 All since George Bush so it's only like 20 years old 🙄 Yeah, ive seen the abuse of the program

[@evulclown]

Elon Musk is owned by Putin, he accepted Russian funding to purchase Twitter to avoid going bankrupt... Which we now see with Putins inner circle Oligarchs owning Twitter / X shares. Currently Trump is siding with Elon.. AKA Russia. No surprise that Elon wants all help from the US to Ukraine stopped too.

[@tn2378]

@@marcusaurelius8417 you can’t lay off people to hire foreign h1b because hiring h1b cost a lot of money with lawyers and application fees. The application takes at least 6 months up to 12 months so that’s expensive. You are ignorant about how h1b works. You are as ignorant as Steve bannon.

[@baskinsmichael]

My experience as an engineer in Silicon Valley is that most of these H1Bs do not go to unusually skilled positions but positions that could easily be filled by a talented qualified American. I worked for a company that would bring in H1Bs and pay them less while also requiring that they have advanced degrees that their American coworkers did not have and did not need to do the job. Then, they held the job over their head to get them to work long hours including weekends. The threat was unspoken and subtle but you don’t need to threaten people living in precarious situations like these vids holders are. Most have to return to their home country when fired. It is a messed up system and I can say certainly holds down wages for myself. It also creates a very abusive environment in these companies often because the workers are so desperate. The Indian workers would repeatedly be yelled at and called bad names but would never talk back or get out of such a situation as the American/European employees would as one example, in my personal experience.

[@vijayiyer8518]

I´m of Indian origin, and have several relatives who are working on h1 b visas. generally speaking, there are several reasons why they dont complain about the long hours. the first reason is indeed fear of losing their jobs and having to go back to India. the second reason is the fact that they are used to working similar long hours in India. itś common for many people to get back from work as late as 9 or 10 in the evening. The third reason could be, if indians are from relatively ppor families in India, that they want to send as much as possible money back to india, either to repay their parents, who would have funded their higher education, buy a property, or start a business. i would say that many indians on h1b1 visas see their stay in the united states as a tour of duty. i also think that a higher proportion of them will return back to India at some point, because the Indian economy has been one of the fastest growing economies in the world for decades.

[@AtheistfanGuava]

​@@vijayiyer8518fastest growing ? What a sham ? Levels of corruption, political instability, religious divide and hatred it's a melting pot. China checked all this bs and encourages hardworking, very brilliant people and rewards them. India is still stuck in feudal, colonial mindset of reservation, casteism and tribalistic religious divide.

[@SuperDuperLofti]

You're a foreign agent. Nobody cares that you're poor. Jeet

[@christiansilva1817]

@@baskinsmichael worst part is that this only part of the problem. They have been outsourcing jobs for years. With remote work came outsourcing on esteroides …. I am not against remote work but we must find a way controlling abuse

[@baskinsmichael]

@@christiansilva1817 This is very true. Most entry level positions are now managing multiple engineers in other countries because so much of the workforce has been outsourced.

[@SD62534]

Good for Steve Bannon for speaking the truth!

[@SnoopCatts]

What's lost in this entire conversation about H-1B visa high skilled workers is that AMERICANS who actually DO POSSESS these skills are BEING PASSED OVER for the more obedient, cookie cutter, less creative thinkers in how they apply the principles of engineering workers from outside the country. I know this for a FACT because I've gone through it personally in the Corporate software development field. Indian developers come from schools where they train developers to be cookie cutter go only by the rules and never think outside the box, multiple Indian Developers explained to me not only are they trained to do this but they are DRILLED into doing things by the book .. Not only have I experienced this in work conditions, but I've even talked to these fresh off the plane Indian developers who explain to me the difference in how Indian universities teach them HOW TO ENGINEER. It's all by the book, it's all very rigid, and it does NOT encourage creative thinking. This has is not been told to me once, but many times by many different Indian and Pakistani developers. So this entire argument homemade destroy high skilled engineering workers and developers here in the United States and pass over more easily for these types of developers. This is the reason you'll notice that your software in the technology use are getting worse over time particularly where things don't function as good as they used to. There's a big difference in developers culturally from America versus South asia. The software industry was created and thrived from the United states. It's ridiculous to think that these cookie cutter Developers somehow are better at creating new technologies in new ways of doing things, the software and Hardware are NOT ACCELERATING according to Moore's Law anymore or working as smoothly as before, and 100% not as intuitive as before..... WE ALL SEE/ EXPERIENCE this! Why do you think that is????

[@kamiasana]

Great point!

[@HSE331]

it's also insane to pass over graduates from the best universities in the world for some shithole unknown indian ones

[@tk4c415]

musk and vivek are bringing us together, we all hate them now

[@ryanwalters6184]

They are one of the reasons I didn't vote for trump 😂 Called this coming

[@zacht2806]

@@ryanwalters6184 good for you. Elon was one of the most obvious cases of swamp corruption I've ever seen pre election. Of course Kamala was doing her best impression bringing Mark Cuban onstage too.

[@linksaze3806]

@@tk4c415 🤣 indeed

[@CPATuttle]

We actually all love them. We all hate Kamala

[@sam4soph1]

It is weird to agree with Steve Bannon.

[@litoo2002]

He usually detects the problem and deflects it to some weird conspiracy theory. This time, he is right on the money.

[@GRXMotorsPNW]

👍

[@infinitewatersss]

i found it odd that i agree w him too

[@yishnir]

He's saying a true thing because that happens to be the strongest argument to get a thing he wants... but his motives are quite different.

[@telescopicS627]

Bannon also supports tax hikes on the rich...

[@MWhaleK]

It kills me to say this but Bannon is mostly right on this.

[@marcusmelancon3426]

He is but he’s against it because these jobs would be going to Indians and not white Americans like he thinks they should be not because these works are abused and get payed pennies and when they rise up they get fired and deported

[@defaultdefault-pz9xk]

​@@marcusmelancon3426 Wrong. He is on video saying we should be training black and hispanic people for these positions to help them gain access to these high paying jobs, not bringing in scab foreigners. America First means putting Americans first. American workers should not be competing with everyone on the planet for American jobs. That should not be a contentious position.

[@usun_politics1033]

I am a principal software engineer and I am for complete ban of H1-B visa program. I have no issues with allowing legal green card program like Canada has given to same Indians imported by H1-B. The root issue is that H1-B is turned into indentured servitude scheme, which replaces local workforce on mass scale. It has nothing to do with talent or demand (we have the highest unemployment in IT in history right now), it's just execs boosting stock price of few companies.

[@luyam9]

Meta's average salary is more than $200,000. Average positions can also easily get to this number once stock options and bonuses are counted. How does the market allow such high salaries while companies pay thousands of dollars for the H1B visa for the employee (plus any green card applications which combined probably cost upwards of $50K or more) plus the salary of the employee and still bias against any domestic talent? Can you guys explain? In short, you won't be able to because in this case, the technocrats are correct and there is a shortage of engineering talent. Just because some students graduate with CS degrees does not mean they are ready for engineering jobs as many students glide by those majors while some cheat through those degrees.

[@usun_politics1033]

My wife is senior engineer and was laid off almost a year ago, still unemployed. Last month my company laid off the whole office who has their own cloud product with live customers and replaced them with guys who don't even know how to build that product, with zero knowledge transfer, but they are sure cheaper. Indians currently imported on mass scale are entry and mid level in vast majority and simply replace local more expensive engineers. There is surplus supply of all levels of IT engineers, and H1-B is abused to pass them. Here is one of schemes: job posting is done with literally impossible criteria to meet (like 5 years of experience for tech which existed only for 3 years) which is used as a justification to the government, that no local specialists are available. Then Indians submit resumes which meet those criteria, they are fake if course. Since it's a company who checks those resumes, they import an entry level Indian in the result.

[@luyam9]

@@usun_politics1033 These types of cases are unfortunate but not the norm. These scenarios are exceptions and do not represent how the work visas are really used especially in Big Tech (FAANG and other companies that hire directly most international talents). The bar to entry to legit tech companies isvery high. There are ways to curb such exceptions, without a complete ban of the work visas. Complete ban of work visas will only result in one inevitable scenario: Offshoring of tech jobs outside the USA.

[@SteveRogers-s9l]

@@luyam9 It's a bot, it's talking bout it's imaginary wife and being a principal 🤡. We all know it's unemployed, don't feed it lol

[@luyam9]

@@SteveRogers-s9l Seems like it. What is the ratio of bots to real commentators on youtube, I wonder.

[@cherynenglish6561]

case study: I had a friend who was a programmer making good money. The company brought in two guys from India, he trained them, and then they were hired and he was retired. Both their salaries together did not equal what he was earning. So I am not for bringing in skilled workers from other countries to be trained in our methods and then take an American job because they are cheaper.

[@karthiks846]

It’s the exception not the rule but that loophole needs to be fixed

[@ElsPol-j8c]

Sad, but money will rule in Trump presidency.

[@big-tree]

US worker replaced by 2 H1bs? Insane story, lol.

[@cherynenglish6561]

@@big-tree and yet true.

[@gogadev]

​@@cherynenglish6561 So why go after Indians you f 00 L. Go after the tech CEO who does that.

[@huudang3419]

I’m a Computer Engineer, U.S.A. Degree, 25 years experience. I agree that the H1B killed American Professionals' careers, the greedy Corporations hired the workers from India, paid them cheaply, and worked them like slaves while Americans were left out in the cold, so hard to find a job!

[@Fuxerz]

I know a guy with the same deal. They hire Indians half the price. Get half the work. 😂 he hates it, ruined his career.

[@scottrc5391]

@@Fuxerz How did that outsourcing to India thing work out for Boeing? Even after all that mess, they STILL haven't learned their lesson. Outsourcing continues to this day there.

[@evulclown]

Elon has been bought by Putin, now the Twitter / X shareholders leaked we see Putins loyal inner circle Oligarchs gave Musk money to buy the company. Elon wants all aid to Ukraine cut (money stays in the US. helps the US helps our ally Ukraine)... Wonder why...? Oh yeah, that would help Putin. Cutting education for the US makes the country worse... Who would love that? ....Oh yeah, Putin. America is being played by our enemies.

[@SouravDas-mz6jf]

@scottrc5391 without outsourcing Boeing can't fulfill demand. On top of Boeing quality testing are done in us not india

[@scottrc5391]

@@SouravDas-mz6jf "Can't fulfill demand"? I literally worked for Boeing. I'm not allowed to disclose too much due to NDA's and such but I was part of that outsourcing effort and I can tell you it had nothing to do with "fulfilling demand" and everything to do with pinching pennies. And this was AFTER they'd already been burned badly in the 737 MAX fiasco.

[@mikeramos4608]

Americans aren't going to pay expensive tuition if the jobs aren't there ...

[@clarel4584]

Disagree, as a 56 year old Asian American, daughter of immigrants, who grew up in the Midwest, the focus should be on Americans having priority getting jobs. We should focus on training and educating Americans. I never believed that I would agree with Steve Bannon on anything but he’s right.

[@Hitchens-t5c]

As an Asian American I am here to tell you that Steve Bannon is right! America first. People on google and Facebook many are Indians ceo were shadow banning regular citizens of this country

[@wendyperez8714]

My husband is an engineer and he has seen, for years, shipping companies take advantage of the H1B Visa program. Those workers who come here under the program are getting paid almost HALF what my husband gets paid. They can't quit, they can't change jobs, they can't negotiate, they're stuck. The only winner is the company and its shareholders.

[@a21906]

That's how your husband has a job.

[@wendyperez8714]

@@a21906 My husband has a job because he has been an engineer since he was 22 years old, is highly qualified in gas, diesel, steam engines, has worked on reefer ships all over the world, and has a mechanical engineering degree along with a naval architecture degree and a Master's in business. Fifty years later, he's still working and consulting because he likes the work. He has been pushing, pushing, pushing that the Maritime Academies recruit more, get more funding, offer better financial aid packages so that we can train our engineers here and fill those positions.

[@HedyForFunLamarr]

There is a lot of abuse of those Visa holders too.

[@daviddavid-cu8nz]

ANNA IS 100% CORRECT !! The purpose of the H1B is to pay lower wages, which us USA citizen engineers cannot compete with !! I am with Steve Bannon on this one !! Elon Musk wants to pay less to his employees, period !!

[@friendsgroup470]

Sorry, us kids r dumb due to not studying and doing drugs

[@BJM1896]

How are US workers ever going to obtain higher skills when they want to eliminate the Department of Education?

[@peaceandllov]

America put 12 men on the moon without the department of education.

[@Gus.T]

​@@peaceandllov That's the most retarded logic, are you a child?

[@wolfgangengel4835]

They won't. That's the point. They need dumb and poor US citizens to kick around in their favor. They still need skilled, educated people they can exploit, wich are easy to blackmail, so the visa people. That's the whole scam. And that's why those business people, Trump included, don't belong in politics, it's like an all you can eat buffet for them, and there won't be nothing left for the people.

[@Gus.T]

​@@peaceandllovAre you suggesting that the public education system didn’t play a role in putting men on the moon? Where do you think those scientists, engineers, and astronauts learned physics, math, and engineering? Do you think they just woke up one day knowing how to build rockets? The Department of Education may not have existed, but the entire space program was built on the backbone of a robust public education system funded and managed by local and state governments. So, do you really think eliminating a federal agency responsible for improving education today would somehow make us better at tackling monumental challenges?

[@Educated2Extinction]

The Department of Education educates no one. The President of the American Federation of Teachers has said that their members don't care if the bureaucracy is dismantled. They also opposed its creation when it was split off from Department of Health, Education, and Welfare. The money would be far better spent on actual education than the bureaucracy of ED.

[@terryj33]

This issue is worse than it’s being portrayed. How much does an undergraduate comp sci or engineering degree cost in the US? How much overseas? H1B workers have 0 student debt and companies layoff Americans with massive debt for cheap labor. And the H1B worker is likely rich or upper middle class in their home country. So they are undercutting the “American Dream”.

[@baskinsmichael]

Great point!

[@JDSSR-jk2hd]

As one who worked for an international engineering-construction firm. Since the 1980's, I worked with hundreds of H1Bers. Two problems. First, the part about being engineers with high technical skills is almost entirely untrue. Although some are good at math calculations, it quickly becomes evident they have little or no technical skills. They cannot read a vendor manual and understand the technical terminology, therefore they have no what to do or how a device works. They try to hide their ignorance by not asking questions which results in improper engineering and many redo's and construction problems. Second, when work slows down, it's often the Americans with a high skill level who get laid off.

[@themadinspector]

Amen, brother. Paper engineering at its finest. I was an Environmental Inspector, a government regulator, and with only a graduate and undergraduate degrees in chemistry, I provided solutions to problems that our engineers couldn't. 😆 For example, plumbing contaminated groundwater to a scrubber and injection ozone to destroy phenol, a regulated compound. More over this was water conservation too. How, because that saved 40,000 gpd of fresh water. So, I agree. There is a lot of meaningless paper out there.

[@HomeBrewAudioNut]

They usually go online to the user forums for the device maker and desperately plead for help. Problem is Americans know the scam and refuse to help them out. Why should we ? We're not getting paid to do the job !

[@denizliberal]

Once Indian engineers have the majority in the company, they don’t hire anybody else, it is no coincidence that CEOs of major software companies are Indian origin. Those are there in order to appease the Indian engineering majority in those companies.

[@Flora_Pinky]

America first? More like India first

[@MohammadAbdul-wn3py]

Indians are everywhere in IT from top hierarchy to the lowest level of work , and they are hiring internally to their known people through various job consultancies which they share salary percentages.

[@CPATuttle]

Pro tip for stock investing. Invest in companies with a white CEO. You’ll make more money. They innovate better

[@HomeBrewAudioNut]

This is so absolutely true: They have taken over and will chain migrate their family, extended family, Uncle Achmod and Aunt Patel and Americans and anyone not from their caste be damned ! CA governor Gavin Newsom VETOED a bill explicitly banning caste discrimination and from what I can tell it now lacks votes sufficient to pass. Telling. Very telling indeed.

[@cathywu5412]

My concern is allowing H1B visas been abused not only hurt current American employees, but also will discourage our next generation to study those majors because they cannot find jobs. American people will never get a chance.

[@rayclark7963]

It says a lot about OUR education system when we need to import SKILLED workers, as the collages stuff MILLIONS in the bank.

[@LouLou-cm3pp]

naw its because Oligarchs can pay way less for foreign workers. That's the only issue.

[@RealJackHQ]

Yes

[@atjubair]

There are lots of American college grad who have degree from STEM & they’re unable to find jobs because the H1 folks compete with Entry-mid level jobs. We need to strengthen our High school/ 2 years colleges with more technical programs. We should reorganize education department to focus on that rather than abolish that department.

[@bootcamprag]

Agreed!! I find it hard to believe that these companies cannot find the needed talent to fill these positions despite the fact will have high unemployement with STEM degrees!!! This discussion is exposing the deceitful hiring practices from these companies.

[@LouLou-cm3pp]

@@bootcamprag its all about $$$$

[@PortmanRd]

When Trump says he uses H-1B all the time, he's probably confusing it with a pencil.

[@orlock20]

Is that how he is drafting his proposals? With drawings?

[@Jars-m9k]

Sharpie I would say 😂

[@devondevon4366]

He probably knows he does not use the H-1B visa program and thinks most people cannot or will not verify it, but he says it to convince the audience of its necessity, though he used the H-2B visa program to save money.

[@mcake1132]

Fun fact: The IIT graduates Musk and Ramaswamy desperately recruit paid around $1,000 per year for their world-class engineering degrees. Imagine telling American high schoolers: 'Here's your clear path to becoming a $200k software engineer - and it'll cost less than your iPhone.' We don't lack talent. We lack affordable opportunities. How can they want to defund education and criticize American workers for being unqualified in the same breath? The precise thing that creates skilled workers abroad is affordable access to education.

[@JP-nq7wf]

Defund education?

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

Americans need to start moving abroad for cheap education.

[@OneLine122]

It's not just for cheap labor, they are primarily anti-union busting measures. It's why businesses use temporary work, contract work, outsourcing. Second they can avoid getting a permanent employee that generally make a lot more money in benefits, like pensions, health care and so on. They also don't have to worry about overtime pay and a bunch of other laws. When the abuse employees, they can't be sued and if they complain, they can be sent back without any question asked. There is no way you can reform those monstrosities. On top of it, I bet this is where most illegal immigrants come from, it's not like those corporations will personally make sure they are on the plane.

[@Jase9]

Exactly!

[@HedyForFunLamarr]

Good Point!

[@RealJackHQ]

Indeed ☝️

[@HomeBrewAudioNut]

Thank you Steve Bannon ! Absolutely correct ! A standing ovation to you sir !

[@chuksamajor3020]

When has Steve Bannon ever specifically said he doesn't want Indians or other ethnicities in the country? Honest question.

[@SolenaOestriea]

FU for diminishing Steve Bannon to ethno state label, FU, AMERICAN Workers are every race.

[@virginiachris80]

Steve Bannon went to Harvard business school. He is a nerd, just not a tech nerd.

[@811see]

That’s Patrick batsmen’s school. Harvard business

[@Mike_from_Canmore]

Bannon is actually right. There are 400 million people on this continent. Find your talent at home.

[@ghettodaboy]

You voted for Trump, and reality is in

[@IMFHater]

Can't even find a proper President.

[@michaelthelen4750]

You don't create world class products by limiting the scope of your team to just 400 million out of the world's 8.2 billion people.

[@tascrphs]

@@michaelthelen4750 Tell that to India, China, Japan, Korea, etc etc.... the word heterogenous doesn't even exist. I can probably count on 1 finger the number of low wage Blacks and Latinos working in tech in these countries. If those countries can embrace protectionist policies - perhaps Americans should demand that as well. You know the tech companies are free to completely relocate to other countries. Curious why they won't. Must be that nice security blanket afforded by Americans.

[@gogadev]

​@@tascrphs Just read what you wrote and think, those heterogeneous countries might be writing code for an US made application .

[@S888A-KenObi]

I joined a quality compliance team at a pharma company, due to the rough economy I was forced to take a 30% haircut on salary. I am the only American on the team, everyone.. EVERYONE is Indian. They are abusing H1-B, have to tear it down and rebuild it right.

[@cairobeach]

exactly and these workers are somehow better trained than every college grad from lets say 2020 - 2024. not likely

[@chrisccc22]

You should see Canada bud. Our government reimburses companies 50% of it's wage costs for any new arrival. We can go 1500Km north, where there is no Indian population. Where it's as rugged as Alaska. Walk into a McDonalds, and it's Indian's serving you. It's like nothing you have ever seen. We've finally cut immigration this year a couple months ago. It's too late though.

[@karthiks846]

@@chrisccc22 hey Chris Jesus converted my cu m into wine and the wore mary drank it 😀

[@enticingmay435]

@@chrisccc22Same with Australia, the UK, New Zealand etc. it’s almost like they’re trying to replace the population of all of these places with Indians. It’s scary actually

[@joggyjames]

30 percent haircut, thats rough.

[@kebirbenkaccem726]

345 million Americans but hi tech have to import foriegn workers...something is wrong somewhere..

[@mukomerobicheaux6883]

Bernie doesn't obfuscate about the issue: "“Elon Musk is wrong. The main function of the H-1B visa program is not to hire ‘the best and the brightest,’ but rather to replace good-paying American jobs with low-wage indentured servants from abroad. The cheaper the labor they hire, the more money the billionaires make.”

[@diggy31337]

I love how Loomer left out Russia on the list of adversaries

[@LouLou-cm3pp]

Her daddy....

[@TK-gm2zr]

I grew up doing a lot of work that Americans supposedly refuse to do. And I wasn’t the only one. Lots of Americans around me were also doing work that Americans supposedly refuse to do.

[@jarontalotta]

Anecdotal exceptions.

[@AlexNomadHuang]

Come on... Trump only said 'America First' NOT 'Americans First'

[@godwinsboom]

@@AlexNomadHuang He said We The People. Now what is this?!

[@ModernSurvivalSense]

Americans need to be considered for ALL American jobs first. Businesses should be forced to pay above American wages to hire imported workers. Importing workers is no different than shipping jobs overseas.

[@clarencekeller7684]

This is way more than just some Visa H1B argument. This is every level within the workforce. I work in IT and our IT department (Tier II not specialized) was gutted and forced to train then quit for foreign workers. I myself was barely spared while others with families and newborns were casted away. The replacement workers are horrendous here, so bad that after two and half years we are cancelling the contract and hiring within again. But the damage has been done. Media, rich and anyone making more than 125k a year have completely lost touch with the real issue: American companies taking American jobs and giving them to non-American people regardless of skill, merit or experience. It's all for cheaper labour because the dollar is worth more than their currency so they'll gladly accept lesser amounts of money. They will lie and state that no American workers are available ... that is an outright lie. There are those actively looking and trying so hard with experience! Vivek can smooch my ass. And even if it wasn't a lie (it is), they don't want to train anyone (we want you to have 20 years of experience in a field that isn't even that old etc...) so it's there own fault for making a workforce unskilled. Don't dare mention internships, we aren't 18 years old living with mom and dad. So screw you for not caring about your own people. America First my Ass!

[@sensible7668]

You nailed it my friend! I'm a twenty five year software vet and I remember when companies would train their workforce from within. I used to go to the JavaOne conference in San Francisco, Lotus Notes conference in Las Vegas (was a notes developer at one point), and other training as needed. Well those days are in the past and companies don't want to invest in their workforce any longer. It's now learn on your own time using your own dime!

[@davisurdaneta1426]

The same thing happen here in Canada, the TFW Program has been abused by greedy corporations. Canadian and permanent residents are displaced in many fields and can't find a job.

[@luckymalaza7461]

The argument made by bannon is straight forward. He never mentioned any ethnicity he is arguing for the american worker Ana.

[@kekwayblaze3176]

CAPITALISM.. LET THE FREE MARKET DECIDE.. Conservatives like you have been screaming that for most of your lives, each and every time progressives like Bernie Sanders talked about properly funding education in America and funding tuition free college so students don't end up with hundreds of thousands of student debt. So you don't get to bitch and complain now that you got what you wanted with capitalism and the let the free market decide f*cking over American workers. You demanded it. You own it. Now apologize for being a bootlicker for corporations and wealthy elites who have been bringing in CHEAP foreign labor and CHEAP specialized workers for decades.

[@leticia_LdReyes-Alioto]

As an American I disagree on h1b anything with h’s. There are risk bcuz they are adding to USA population, once the h1b expired surely they wanted to stay. Therefore; they continuously progressing stepping our own fellow Americans on jobs. Like adopting foreign workers n Americans ended jobless.

[@chamuelolivier1594]

What if they're better than Americans? For example, everybody knows that Asians students are the best.

[@brucebasile5083]

@@chamuelolivier1594 WELL SAID !!!

[@themadinspector]

There is a world of difference between student and real world. I have had only one such co-worker who was my equal. There is more to work than just good grades.

[@ラジャン]

As an indian I request usa to ban indians bcz all good and Smart indians are leaving india thank you 🙏🏻

[@VolatilityCoder]

Let’s get more doctors and lawyers on H1B to get the costs of healthcare and the legal system down.

[@kaycee2396]

Doctors are not the reason hospital bills are expensive

[@RayMelville]

What you need is to import H1B visa workers to work as lobbiests or US citizens to counter the effect of lobbiests for medical insurance, H1B visa, foreign contries, weapons manufacturers, etc. That's how you get healthcare costs down.

[@VolatilityCoder]

@ My post was facetious 😅. Big tech imports labor from around the world to get their costs down, but still charges $1k for a base model iPhone. They’re not passing the savings on to the consumer. We all know corporate greed is responsible for rampant inflation.

[@RayMelville]

@@VolatilityCoder Correct, they're not only not passing the savings to US citizens, they're passing the added cost of importing labor to us. Costs of overcrowding of our infrastructure, escalating housing costs, social issues, etc. A lot of H1B visa workers end up obtaining green card allowing them to bring their relatives who don't have to be skilled. When their living costs become comprable to those o US citizens and demand higher pay they are quickly replaced with a new batch of H1B workers willing to work for less money and the cycle continues.

[@CoolVids810]

Don't forget Elon has been to India and promised great things to Indian government in return for business favors.

[@MetaView7]

Yea right.

[@Above-Ground]

”Look, I like Mr. Bannon. He's a friend of mine. I like him. He's a good man. He's a good person. He actually gets a very unfair press in that regard. But he's a good person and I think the press treats him frankly very unfairly..I want to thank Steve Bannon for his service. it was great! Thanks Steve! Steve Bannon will be a tough and smart new voice maybe even better than ever before. Fake News needs the competition!* -The Fascist Felon.

[@brucebasile5083]

WELL SAID !!!

[@chrisforrest8994]

It has been abused up to the point where even customer service jobs are outsourced to India

[@Anacaona-uz4wj]

Yup. These folks are probably selling our stuff to scammers. India #1 scam country.

[@summerreynolds9477]

And we know we Americans are qualified to do customer service. It’s nothing but lower wages.

[@sensible7668]

I've had a few bad experiences with customer service reps from India. Verizon used to use them and one lady was rude and hung the phone on me. I wrote a letter to Verizon about this years ago and called in complaints about it a couple of times and then about two years later Verizon went back to using state side customer service representatives 😊.

[@ibrahimduran823]

H-1B VISA FOREIGN EMPLOYEES WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE BOEING'S MAX -CLASS AIRPLANE BACK 10 PLUS YEAR'S AGO.

[@ElektroKinetik]

I’m liberal IT worker. Yay Bannon is right!

[@kaypakaipa8559]

im right wing, anti-🇮🇱🇮🇱, fullstack engineer, Bannon is right lol, tho he is way to far right on other issues! Laura Loomer is just demented nobody on the right sides with that looney

[@Namdor2012]

Indentured servitude, not about race it's about cheap labour for the filthy rich....."Skilled workers" is a ruse for not paying $$$$ ..

[@GF-pc5bt]

The reality is Elon could give two shits about racism …it’s profit motivated.

[@godwinsboom]

@@GF-pc5bt It's Elons version of foreign DEI and he's offended. Wake up Trump. I'm surprised dems are against H1B since they we're against a wall which is necessary to fend off foreign governments intentionally purging people into the US and making loads of money off all forms of their deadly trafficking.

[@TONSBERG100]

Farm work is low skilled. Ana try it sometime 😂

[@WarMachine750]

I don’t think there talking about the farmers as opposed to labourers.

[@TONSBERG100]

@WarMachine750 perhaps. But farming does take a lot of knowledge and skill. No one should ever look down on it . Starvation is the consequence if nobody does it.

[@jaymrn79]

If these foreign workers are so talented. The h1b visa needs to have a Claus saying they need to be paid the same as Americans plus pay a tax. Because if these foreign born tech workers are so good, then the company needs to pay a tax

[@ayrusvideolife]

They need to be paid 2 times and that should be a criteria

[@shahidahmed5779]

As an son of a migrants worker when my grandad entered in the late 60s all i can say is the situation now has changed so ee need to give these jobs to people in America..why not train them?? Its all about money and hiring cheap labour

[@sbowesuk981]

Glad to see Cenk acknowledge the nuance here, because far too often debates are reduced to the left and right just yelling at each other. Do that and you're almost never focusing on what matters, and any valuable nuance is lost to the abyss. More of this please.

[@billsoderholm3125]

Plenty of Americans possess the “high skills” that the foreign HB1 workers possess. It is just cheaper to hire the foreign workers and they can be cowed and manipulated.

[@Kittigadu1234u]

An average indian makes more than 100k to 400k. How much do you make

[@tortoise456]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[@wrdswpns1139]

bannon makes it make sense

[@cigarfeeler]

Donald Trump and Elon Musk loves these visas for immigrants because the exploitation of human beings for financial opportunities are these two so called Americans "Wet Dreams."😂😅😂😅😂😅😂

[@sbuckle1171]

H1B for IT has been massively abused for years. Come on!

[@hs-fp4vp]

Wow, Steve Bannon didn't foresee Trump getting bought by Musk? Whoda thought?

[@telescopicS627]

Probably he'd be a Dem if they stood up for anything...

[@HSE331]

h1b issues have existed for years it's not like the democrats would have gotten rid of the scheme let alone address the border issue

[@linksaze3806]

@@telescopicS627 I doubt it . There are alot of black people in the democratic party. He don't like that

[@1242elena]

I believe in American workers! Prioritizing the hiring of domestic talent first and foremost is a labor issue. Importing foreign high skilled labor should be a last resort and leveraged only when absolutely needed. In many EU countries you have to first prove that you can't find domestic labor to fill key positions before you're able to offer foreign workers high skilled visas. Otherwise programs like the H-1B visa are just exploited as a loop hole by corporations to: - Import foreign labor as a means to reduce labor costs. (It's the inverse of outsourcing) - Crush collective bargaining efforts/unionization. - Devalue qualifications/experience relative to compensation to drive down the value of labor and as a result drive down wages. (H-1Bs often require higher degree levels for the same positions but are locked in at lower salaries when compared with domestic workers within the same field/role. Aka their masters degree is only worth what your bachelor's is or less which allows them to them to now pay you less for your bachelor's and or now require you to have a masters degree also for the same role at the same pay aka degree devaluation.) Whether right or left it always comes back to corporate greed and the exploitation of labor both foreign and domestic.

[@michaelthelen4750]

I believe in people who really want to work. By definition, that excludes anyone in a union.

[@williamstone4334]

Love him or hate him, Bannon has awakened a lot of people.

[@a21906]

He is neither an engineer nor a business man, don't understand why he is useful. Awakened a whole lot of crazies

[@pietrogiovanni3756]

While living in Seattle, I attended a discussion by the WSCRC on bringing in high tech talent. The argument seemed logical....then I spoke I started running into older engineers in the industry whom are thrown out of the companies and given 1099 jobs at very, very low wage levels. No opportunity of re-training. BTW what is being done to insure Americans are qualified to do these jobs? While the Republicans and the Trump administration talk about turning our public education system into a for profit institution. We must make sure this does not happen....look at the Haitian example which was implemented by American corporations!

[@jamad-y7m]

Elon wants more indentured servants under his thumb

[@888strummer]

Elon Musk represents himself and other CEO's while Steve Bannon represents American workers; basically Bannon is saying that CEO's should take a pay hike and hire Americans. As a Trump supporter I agree with Bannon and would like to see Elon Musk leave Washington and just run Tesla and Space-x

[@vriddle2009]

Good luck! Pandora's box is now open!

[@kamiasana]

​@@vriddle2009 Sad, but true.

[@RealJackHQ]

Trump should hire American workers. This might be the one kryptonite for him if he’s not careful. Even legal immigrants waiting for jobs may be angry at Trump promoting bringing in temporary workers to take jobs that are open.

[@godwinsboom]

Yes, be for We The People!

[@RealJackHQ]

@ And I will always be with such amazing blue lightning admirers such as you too. 😃😃

[@bloodspartan300]

We should have a referendum and elect steve bannon

[@seankelly7481]

America would need less H1B if they made education affordable. Instead they rely on better education programs elsewhere

[@acommon1]

🇺🇸 America 🇺🇸 First … for … … 🇺🇸 Americans 🇺🇸 … First ! Appreciate both of you.

[@Jase9]

They want cheap labor from India! Tech workers from India will work longer hours for less with little to no benefits. With all the mass layoffs of American workers in tech, for these weirdos to have the audacity to say they don't have enough qualified skilled tech workers in this country, is Insane!

[@michaelthelen4750]

There's a reason those workers were laid off. They simply weren't good enough to merit what they were being paid. A job is not meant to be a welfare check, it has to be earned.

[@hillsane9262]

@@michaelthelen4750 LOL! I know, let's go back to being a 2nd or 3rd world country and forget all that labor stuff the US fought for! There was a time when Americans workers were shocked at Japanese workers productivity and how hard they worked. They thought we don't want that here. Well, the US worker is much more productive than Japan's workers and now work harder!

[@Jase9]

@@michaelthelen4750 You definitely don't work in the technology space, the interviewing process is brutal! When someone is hired for a position, they earned it, they deserve it! If what you're saying is true, which is clearly false, why hire the individual??

[@HSE331]

@@Jase9err no some people from India do not have more value than an american graduate from some of the best universities in the world. these h1b visa "people" often are new graduatea from some shitty diploma mill on indian soil

[@bigmrb]

It has nothing to do with race its about protecting our own countrymen.

[@merikano2985]

If Elon could. He'd buy the Statue of Liberty and have it relocated to Silicon Valley as a giant middle finger

[@steveeuphrates-river7342]

From a Forbes article in 2023: "A government report shows the notion that H-1B visa holders are “cheap labor” is a myth, with the average salary for H-1B professionals in computer-related occupations reaching nearly $130,000 a year". We need to encourage qualified immigration over people running under a fence in Arizona.

[@benlewis2796]

I work in the tech world, have for nearly 20 years. Here’s the thing: it’s not “cheap” labor, but it is absolutely “cheapER” labor. It’s a situation where they’re paying $130k per year, but if the H-1B were to be more severely restricted or eliminated, they’d be paying more like $170K per year for those jobs. They’re definitely using it to increase profits. That said, completely eliminating it would be a bad idea in that we’d fall behind. It needs to be carefully balanced, but our politicians on both sides aren’t interested in that. It’s here to stay because rich tech execs are also big donors.

[@steveeuphrates-river7342]

@@benlewis2796 I agree with you. It would be good if we could convert the Visa folks to full citizens. Vacuum up the worlds techies!

[@jaxontyler]

I think Bannon is right on this issue, regardless if you think he has ulterior motive or not. If you're being honest with yourself, if there aren't enough workers for a given job, then there is a wage problem. Simple. If we are living in capitalist economy, the way you attract workers is with better pay. If you can't pay more then should the job exist anyway? Probably not. Should be the end of discussion, period.

[@curtismuise3300]

For once, I agree with Bannon.

[@troyh751]

These are billionaires fighting over what they want and what benefits them the most. TAKE MONEY OUT OF OUR POLITICS

[@angelcitystudio]

The billionaires are not fighting amongst themselves. They WILL ALL benefit from keeping Americans stupid and unemployable and hiring immigrant workers. Then they use the culture war so you will fight the immigrants instead of them! You ARE being replaced. And Trump will not stop it.

[@arunks9233]

Educate US kids for the needs of today's and tomorrow's technologies, revise the educationsystem. Stop relaying on foreign labor

[@saragonmcenany6229]

No chance of that with Doge and evangelical schools

[@RandS42]

There is another critical element for H1B and H2B besides the lower wages is that these people will put up and shut up with any situation, regardless of how they are abused by the system Can you imagine a water or agricultural workers who suppose to get paid $16 an hour, if they pay him only $10 an hour do you think he is going to court to sue them and then get deported before the proceedings takes place!!

[@HSE331]

10/hr is also way more than they are used to getting in India. they also have schemes where an Indian (usuallt higher caste) middleman gets a bunch of Indian h1b visa workers and houses them and they are basically his slaves.

[@jamesappling1212]

We had that "Conversation" in the 80s. And the 90s, And the 00s, and so on. It won't change until the underlying corruption in Congress is changed.😠😡🤬

[@Greg-io1ip]

Yep. Citizens United PAC ruling error still not addressed.

[@johnfrick4171]

I am actually cheering Bannon on here.

[@evulclown]

Elon has been bought by Putin, now the Twitter / X shareholders leaked we see Putins loyal inner circle Oligarchs gave Musk money to buy the company. Elon wants all aid to Ukraine cut (money stays in the US. helps the US helps our ally Ukraine)... Wonder why, that would help Putin. America is being played by our enemies.

[@nickstoli]

Okay, I need to step away and reflect on my life. I actually think Loomer and Bannon have a point.

[@Moajoao]

Musk has more money so Trump will side with Musk, Bannon a poor man😅😅

[@cathypaparella]

The government should take the number of layoffs by the tech industry +20% and subtract that number from the high tech visas issued . Let the companies scramble a little bit and see if they can’t really find Americans to fill the jobs!!!

[@vincenttiene]

People don’t quit their job if they haven’t found a new one. And companies don’t layoff workers if they haven’t found a replacement in H1-V visas.

[@adekunleogunnupe7816]

Morning, Wow ,I am from Detroit and surprise to see these two so called progressives news casters soften their way now ,so it's true. You're now progressive right wingers . Go and watch your previous shows and watch the new ones now. Soft and scared like little puppies. If you are not willing to go the distance because of money, why do it in the first place. Shame on you both. So it's all about the money.

[@JudieBoBoodie]

I'm a software engineer. I've seen my wages just stagnate so this is all great in my eyes

[@peaceandllov]

The Woke don’t understand that people are allowed to disagree

[@miguelalfaro5575]

Do you think Trump and Elon are correct and foreign workers need to be brought if they need talented and high skill workers and not Americans. I think there are smart Americans that could probably do the job, but who knows Trump and Elon says the opposite and they are knowledgeable right

[@denisemorton56]

Just a reminder, highly skilled workers are needed in their own country. Its a colonialist mindset and system which extracts resources, including labour from other countries. Once upon a time it was named, The Brain Drain.

[@janicelloyd3215]

Trump thinks visas are credit cards.

[@shawnsmith8975]

I work in Tech as an Engineer, I am an American, and I have worked many with these visas, many are from India, they are very nice people, the only thing I can say is that many hiring managers who are American Indian won't hire Americans, but only Indians from India, I have seen this.

[@wandapearson4723]

I am starting to dislike this reporting. Elon hasn't improved anyone's life but his own. I usually don't agree with Bannon, but I agree with this one. Americans should always be first.

[@GBills1]

Exactly! The same way they fight Dems to keep America great is the same way they need to fight against others to keep America first because once they get access to our Intel there will be no need to carry classified documents in boxes back to Mar a largo. Period

[@VampireTuesday]

Rashad Richey didn’t cover this like a progressive at all. He used it to say its detractors are racist. He has the mind of a child.

[@LinkRocks]

Cry harder incel.

[@mechanic6682]

Laua Loomer is probably not the right person to be complaining about unfettered access to the President.

[@hillsane9262]

May be, but Trump will choose the money over her and others like her after a short term use!

[@BlackFemaleAnd50]

@4:08 - Americans would 100% do those jobs if they paid a living wage. We aren't going to live 8-10 people in a two-bedroom apartment. That's against the building code and it's unsanitary and unsafe.

[@raymorris8447]

it fvxx up the sewer system, the schools, electricity distribution, roads, traffic and social distancing but it's an upgrade for them and of course a downgrade for us.

[@learnanythingforfree2131]

As I understand it, the nationalist rhetoric from some Republicans targeting India is not primarily about H1-B visas, high-skilled or low-skilled workers, high-paying jobs, or cheap labor. Instead, it seems rooted in fears about the "browning" of America by Indians. The concern appears to be that allowing more non-white immigrants could challenge the perception of this country as a predominantly white nation. At its core, it seems to be more about race and skin color than about H1-B visas.

[@dylanblack3279]

Yes. Those same people would be joyous if Russians made up the majority of H1-B visa holders.

[@sensible7668]

Sorry I'm a black American and that's simply not true. It's about jobs! This issue is destroying our way of life and is worse than what is being mentioned in the media, even on this thread. Right now you have thousands of American students coming out with STEM degrees and can't even find work. On top of that many people have been laid off/downsized while they continue to bring in foreign workers. To think that this is about race is to be willfully ignorant.

[@JeeJubee]

Isn’t it also true that highly trained and skilled American workers typically bring along their horrendous student loan debt, adding to their built-in need for higher wages, while workers educated in India benefitted already from free tuition? I love the more nuanced thinking around finding those places where the dis-empowered masses live a common reality across all political ideologies. Here the reality of how student loan debt in America leads to corporate preference for foreign workers translates to a rational need for free education here. Plus the argument against privatizing education - for profit - comes into clearer focus. In addition, the vast majority of common Americans know that the profit motive driving heath insurance abuse has must be crushed from every side. Is it becoming increasingly possible for populists on the left and those on the right to join social media platforms and light a revolutionary fire against corporate greed in this country?

[@a21906]

The only argument you have is you deserve this job because you are white, no skills or education. Most of you people are high school dropouts.

[@godwinsboom]

They're pushing Americans out of these high positions 😠

[@WayneSiskey]

I stand with Steve Bannon.

[@MikeG-mp2sj]

American workers cannot compete with H1B workers. They are willing to work far lower salaries for endless hours. Many come here, by themselves and send money back home for their far lower cost of living families - justifying the ability to handle lower wages. If these workers are willing to become citizens, I'd be willing to support this program as the US will definitely be better having the world's best minds move here. However, if they are going back home, this is just snubbing valid Americans with cheap labor. There is a significant downturn in the tech industry now, there are a great many workers available right now that are unemployed. Instead of putting all the money in the program, provide a skill enhancement to unemployed tech workers - or something like that.

[@amols101]

I am with you on skill enhancement for unemployed tech workers but otherwise you're wrong on several points. H1Bs don't work for "end hours for far lower pay". As they are employed in the USA, they are subject all rules like any other American company. Their wages have to be "competitive" as per DOL rules. Around 25% of these visas each year are reserved for graduates from US universities and they are pay is on parity with Americans. These US educated graduates seldom return to their home countries and go on to become permanent residents and later citizens. The other ones, it depends if they're able to switch jobs to an American employer, they may end up staying as well. Some end up returning, however usually that's because they did not have any other option. If they do within 10 years, they cannot claim any social security benefits which they have paid in the form of SS tax till then. Also the government spends nothing on this program.

[@sh.a.3333]

I'm not even white and I'm not American, but I'm supporting Steve Bannon, because we will have a better world with people like Steve Bannon. Way to go Bannon✌

[@arkadi8499]

Corporations should be required to pay higher taxes if they prioritize hiring foreign workers over local talent. This would incentivize them to invest in American workers and reduce the exploitation of cheap labor, ensuring fair opportunities for those already in the country.