Barbara Cartland Jackie CollinsJuly 1987

Wogan was a British television chat show that was broadcast on BBC1 from 1982 until 1992, presented by Terry Wogan.

[@58christiansful]

This is quite wonderful! Infinitely re-watchable.

[@jalenwalker3876]

Jackie Collins is beautiful.

[@lol365]

RIP Jackie - you were your own woman, a titan in your industry and a unique talent. Like her literary alter ego, Lucky Santangelo, nobody fucked with Jackie Collins and Barbara Cartland had her ass handed to her in the most good humoured way.

[@xavierdh2000]

lol365 LMAO! naw old girl new what she was doing she was serving Jackie Collins up lol!

[@TVHouseHistorian]

Actually, it was quite the opposite. Cartland was quite direct and matter of fact, which completely put Collins in her place. Even knowing nothing about the science of what pornography does to the brain, Cartland hit every point with precision.

[@Omnicient.]

@@TVHouseHistorian passive-aggressive and a bully and didn't care about coming across as one which shows a high degree of narcissism. She dresses as though she were still in the 1930s with an attitude to match. It's up to the individual how they live and shouldn't be scolded by such an antique. Her kind never ever provide evidence and there's a good reason why!

[@BlytheWorld1972]

i love them both Jackie was a wonderful person she responded to all her fans on Facebook always funny and always nice the world is a colder place without jackie in this clip did she ever look any better she was stunning she was even more witty than Joan i thought it was nice when she said there is room for us both Barbara rip to both . total legends

[@deepblack2193]

She was prettier than Joan never understand her appeal with her far apart eyes

[@user-nx5rk1vn7z]

​@@deepblack2193so you think Jackie Collins is prettier than Joan Collins?

[@stormbreaker06]

I loved Jackie Collins she was so full of class.

[@nintendy]

I - LOVE - BARBARA CARTLAND! What a loss she was to us all when she passed away...

[@LoganLavery]

I needed a laugh tonight; that was fantastic.

[@rebekahfield4083]

That was so funny! I howled with laughter! The Lady in pink had very clean views; the way the world was, views. I really enjoyed their couch debate; and the " you put in the paper and advertisement about ironed knickers," accusation, was hilarious! Jackie took it all in fantastic humourous stride! What a great fun woman! I really like the lady in pink too, she really lit up that sofa! Her sparky debative banter, her clothes.....what a fantastic archive find; this video is!

[@nintendy]

Agreed! Babs was GREAT! People think she was a prude - but she wasn’t, it was just how she believed things should be between men and women. Many men don’t like her; my partner can’t stand her, but I;m always telling him that actually she was men’s biggest advocate! She never blamed men when marriages went wrong; she believed all men were 'wonderful'. She once said that she’d rather have dinner with a stupid man than an intelligent woman! Actually, men should adore her! Incidentally; she did get sacks loads of fanmail from men as it happens!

[@nintendy]

Oh I still so LOVE Barbara Cartland - AND read her Books too! What a lady! Could listen to her forever...

[@colinmclennan1465]

I like how Terry just shuts up and lets the fun happen

[@1marilynable]

I love Jackie Collins ❣️❣️

[@BlytheWorld1972]

Let me tell you all something about jackie she was a lovely funny warm hearted woman before she passed she even responded to fans and questions o Facebook lovely lovely soul she responded to questions i asked her lovely funny warm woman .

[@nintendy]

True of course, but so did Barbara! She signed almost EVERYTHING so that all her fans could acquire memorabilia cheaply because there is so much of it around - how lovely of her! Two lovely ladies in their own right.

[@nintendy]

Oh I SO love Babs; I've lost count at how many times I've been back to watch this classic clip!

[@alexandradane3672]

It was only when I attained a degree of maturity that I realised that Dame Barbara Cartland was absolutely splendid, indefatigable in heart commitment to sensible social causes and needs and not just the author of frightful “ penny dreadful” books - hardly literature indeed BUT , the messages contained were excellent , apposite and of great worth .

[@Calicokit101]

I love how Jackie didn't give one single fuck about what Barbara was saying.

[@zzzbbbooo]

Well, given her response, she obviously did.

[@nintendy]

You can say what you like - but there are no two such celebrities alive today that would have an audience riveted chatting like that!

[@AfridiZindabad]

I havent read either of their books but this Barbara Cartland is the most adorable and unique person. I agree with her points about the elderly being shut up too much.

[@ZadenZane]

I've read a few Jackie Collins. People get her all wrong. She poked a lot of fun at people's hypocrisy and bad behaviour. She was famously called a raunchy moralist by Louis Malle, and I can see why.

[@YourJellyFishAteMyTV]

RIP Jackie love seeing you hold your own! fantastic stuff from a fantastic woman

[@nintendy]

I think she lost the argument... :- }

[@dan1911c]

I've been waiting for 28 years to see this clip again, recall so clearly seeing this first time around when a teenager. Odious yet fascinating monster Babs Cartland.

[@nintendy]

Babs was SO wonderful! You just have to adore her!

[@trickyplays240]

Look where our world is, Barbara is spitting facts

[@davidlondon2810]

Oh, please. Victorian England was far worse for child prostitution, children working in factories, people dying of dreadful, now preventable diseases. Where on earth do you get for your “facts” from?

[@LAZY-RUBY]

Yeah the staggering wealth inequality and erosion of rights to put power in the hands of a few is because of a couple of trashy romance novels. Eat shit.

[@artheemisia]

My mom’s favorite book was a Cartland novel...

[@scottread]

What wonderful TV!

[@passibongobindro7698]

Great writer

[@DonutNightcore]

I love how Jackie bites back at Barbara when she calls her books evil, lol.

[@lincolnlane9235]

People will hate you for being right - and articulate about it.

[@zaneshepherd5245]

HAHA omg Barbara Cartland lived in a pink puffy fantasy world...Jackie Collins was a brilliant author I've read every single book she wrote and loved every single one !

[@nintendy]

Barbara Cartland looks so elegant and beautiful and made some VERY valid points - like it or not!

[@nintendy]

Better than sounding like a pillock! :-)

[@nintendy]

Then you're not alone! :-)

[@fuhkuwe8201]

That bitch sucks.

[@xavierdh2000]

nintendy lol she was serving Jackie Collins up Lol!

[@dollyrawlins5470]

Elegant! Ha! She looks like a drag queen on LSD!

[@cosmomiss2663]

I love Jackie. She’s a true artist. I’ve read Barbara’s books very boring.

[@glamdolly30]

Dame Barbara Cartland was much more than a prolific bestselling author of romance novels (with over 1 billion books sold in her lifetime). She was ahead of her time in many diverse ways. In the 1930s she was an aviation pioneer, doing a 200 mile tow in a 2 seater glider, to promote the use of military gliders to transport personnel during World War 2. She was active in politics throughout her life, promoting women, and championing among many other causes, the rights of gypsies, lobbying hard to secure education for illiterate gypsy children. Her books on nutrition and the healing properties of honey still hold up today, as do her views on aging - she refused to do it, and lived to the great age of 98 in good health. She was quite a woman!

[@BlytheWorld1972]

see you were just looking for a cheep thrill

[@zaneshepherd5245]

@@glamdolly30 and she was a pompous old Biddy

[@glamdolly30]

@@zaneshepherd5245 She was indeed. I once met Dame Barbara Cartland when I was a TV producer, interviewed her and had afternoon tea at her mansion in Hertfordshire. She was pompous, and vain and self-important, and single minded, and vital and energetic, and fascinating and infuriating and impressive and kind and predictable and surprising and fearsome, and hugely successful and original and courageous and an unforgettable one-off! Human beings are complex, multi faceted creatures. Just when you think you have someone worked out, they can shock and amaze you. Even someone you've known for decades can shock and amaze you - and not always in a good way! Don't be afraid of growing older. As another Dame, the actress Joan Collins says: "It's a lot better than the alternative!" I'm sure her younger sister Jackie would agree with that. She kept her terminal cancer diagnosis a secret from even her closest family, for the last 6 years of her life. She died in 2015, working and partying and squeezing every drop of fun from her life that she possibly could, before the final curtain came down. Age is just a number, life is short and clichés are clichés because they are true. God bless.

[@llllll4077]

Literally just watched a clip with barbs on Wogan sharing exactly the same story with zsa zsa present!

[@joshuataylor6087]

Listening to Barbara Cartland you would think sex was invented in the 70s. She completley glorifies her era and says nothing of the warped hypocrisies and injustices that existed.

[@DeepScreenAnalysis]

She was such a hypocrite. Barbara's generation did all of those things she abhors whilst attacking people for it.

[@Zoey505]

didnt she have an affair when she was married to her first husband？ seriously ....

[@mmescarlettziegfieldvonbis4551]

@edy Puentes Your way of expressing yourself never speaks about other people but always speaks volumes about you.

[@nintendy]

Oh she did though; she was not stupid! Watch her being interviewed on ‘Mavis on 4' - she acknowledges all the hypocrisies of her era too!!

[@Omnicient.]

I rarely think the topic is of that much interest to passive-aggressive narcissists - they often just use a topic to elevate themselves and their sense of worth and status. To be heard. To be obeyed. To be in control.

[@iteildebraga9830]

legenda em português....please, please!!

[@ZadenZane]

Nobody ever died of overwork? 00:37 No of course they didn't. What would Barbra Cartland know anyway? She was a writer! She never did a corporate job in her life.

[@nintendy]

No, you get her meaning wrong; she meant just sitting about and fretting about your health and old age - keep going was her motto! And she certainly did that!

[@Patrick3183]

Nobody died form white collar work

[@jakecavendish3470]

I wish they would have a physical fight for betting purposes

[@TressBraga]

Don't laugh at Barbara Cartland; all of her points were extremely valid. Did you know that she is the 3d best-selling author of all time, behind Shakespeare and Agatha Christie?

[@nintendy]

Agreed!

[@sputnik1941]

I think Barbara thought Jackie may accept being condescended to.

[@foritisi]

Quality

[@stephenrafter1022]

She is right.

[@juniorrecordable67]

Barbara Cartland with no knickers! I can't stop laughing!

[@glamdolly30]

She actually said "Barbara Cartland with IRON knickers", 7:02 which is much more bizarre!

[@nintendy]

@@glamdolly30 I think it was Jackie who had no kickers! LOL

[@phily8093]

That makes no sense

[@Akenaten1]

Omg this was helirious!

[@Vo1ceuvcens]

Barbara Cartland is absolutely right! How can you write rubbish and think you are writing romance?

[@nintendy]

Can anyone tell me who the male guest is there? Can't think of his name?

[@zzzbbbooo]

The actor Ed Asner.

[@nintendy]

@@zzzbbbooo Thanks! 🙂

[@dandyhiphop]

Is that Ed Asner next to Jackie?!?

[@sonydesrosiers]

I agree with Miss Cartland.

[@Martdiva1979]

Hello

[@dandyhiphop]

SHADE!

[@gullwingstorm857]

Barbara Cartland is right. The world is screwed.

[@saraneuss4089]

She is right

[@SarahSmith-nr2wj]

What an interesting juxtaposition of guests🤔

[@Patrick3183]

4:58 is like someone from the 18th century

[@deepblack2193]

I’m with babs

[@shivadizayin]

This is the first time I’ve ever heard or watched Barbara Cartland… what an amazing orator. It’s even more amazing to see that what she’s warning against is now a pandemic in our society. Our society is so perverted and debauched that it’s a normal part of life. Eg twerking - teaching young girls to sexualise themselves.

[@justins2559]

Asner's getting a woody from this.

[@ismailsoraya2462]

Je désire traduire en Français

[@AfridiZindabad]

Actually I totally agree with Cartland on every point.

[@a.z.s6679]

So do I.

[@TVHouseHistorian]

I agree with her completely, and so does both sociology and science. Here's a woman who probably knew nothing about the science of what pornography does to the brain (actually, nobody did back then) and yet she was so completely on-point. Sexual impurity, and the destruction of the family unit have all but completely destroyed Western society since this was filmed.

[@popland1977]

She had a nostalgic biased view of the past

[@TVHouseHistorian]

@@popland1977 Biased or not, Cartland's view of sex/marriage/romance was completely on-point, and very in tune with healthy human sexuality. If you look at the last 60 years in Western society, as sexual mores have become more and more free-spirited, you see the degradation of the family unit, an enormous increase in violence, a decreased sense of well-being, increased depression and other mental illnesses, and an overall increased sense of hopelessness among those who consider themselves more on the "sexually liberated" side of things. On the other side of the coin, you have people like Cartland who was very disciplined in every aspect of her own life - body, mind, and soul. For people like Cartland, their sense of well-being is quite substantial compared to those who would otherwise prefer to treat their bodies like a bouncy house. In the culture Cartland was brought up in, there was a mutual respect between countrymen. And while there was indeed some form of deviance, it kept itself somewhat confined instead of spreading to an entire culture like it has in Western civilization. In today's Western culture, we embody everything that was considered vile and inappropriate in her day, and yet we are more depressed, more violent, and less well-adjusted compared to that of the Victorians. If you ask me, Western culture of today should do whatever we can to copy what the Victorians did if we want to save this culture.

[@daphne4983]

That makeup..

[@stevej4328]

Cartland wasn’t wrong!

[@LeifGrahamsson]

"You don't seem to be losing any energy, you're on your fourteen... your fourteenth novel." What? 14? What the hell was Wogan talking about? 1987 had 14 novels by Barbara Cartland? Nope: try 1936's "The Forgotten City" for that accolade. Sorry, but I have no idea why this figure is SO far off the truth. Out of context maybe.

[@LeifGrahamsson]

+Leif Grahamsson That year - my bad, being dense lol

[@meaneyedcat1248]

MIss Cartland was quite amazing. I wonder what she would make of Society today. People may laugh at her, but she was right about so many things.

[@glamdolly30]

Dama Barbara's pre-internet words were spookily prophetic, because in 2019, children can and do see the most horrific images online, thanks to the worldwide web. The days of people reading racy books or magazines were innocent, compared to the 'anything goes', violent porn that's readily available today at the click of a mouse.

[@nintendy]

Babs looks SO beautiful and amazing here - she looks as though she made an effort, where poor Jackie looks as if she's just popped in from next door and couldn't be bothered!

[@nicholc7300]

Barbara Cartland looks like an over dressed loo roll doll

[@ambrosejoseph4843]

That hairdon't on Terry.......

[@Patrick3183]

She is right about the effect of smut on society

[@davidlondon2810]

Barbara Cartland was so out of touch. It’s as if she never knew that prostitution, child abuse domestic violence was rife in the Victorian era in which she clearly would have been happier (I mean, that little girlie dolly dress OMG!). She claims it all started in c.1970! 🙄🙄Jackie handed her her big backside on a big plate and was so cool and relaxed in the process. She was a really lovely person.

[@Garsons-oq4lh]

5:22 Was she out of touch about this I don't think so. She is absolutely right about the brain seeing something unsavory and the image remaining long after.

[@knockedoutloaded279]

Barbra is a prude; prudishness leads to perversion...

[@carlosdyer5868]

She wasn't actually a prude. She was just raised in a culture, that is slowly fading away. Polite Society where people had dignity and self-respect. Whether it's in America or across the pond the last few decades have left the fabric of our society torn and tattered. All you have to do nowadays is go out in public and observe how people dress, they cranked up the music in their cars thinking that everybody should have to listen to the filthy lyrics and pumping bass with their "brain shaker" sound systems. Let's not forget all those people milling about and blabbing on their cell phones in the checkout lines using their outside voices indoors and carrying on with vulgar personal conversations and foul mouths. Who needs the Jerry Springer Show anymore? We witness at least 10 new episodes a day of "My personal trashy drama-filled life in your face" show, on our way to work stopping at the gas pumps or picking up a few groceries. I think Barbara would say, " oh yes I do very much agree ,I find it quite appalling, myself !" AhHahaha....

[@thomasspicer4130]

Barbara was right ultimately.

[@1marilynable]

I think she's fabulous !!! But a little too old fashioned

[@nancydrew1882]

That woman looks embalmed.🧐

[@knockedoutloaded279]

sex is normal its not dirty; her attitude is dirty. Romance is nice but everyone loves sex.

[@zzzbbbooo]

No, they don't! Many of Cartland's readers were far more interested in the story, the lead-up etc than the actual act! Her books didn't contain sex yet she sold MILLIONS.

[@seansmith445]

Barbara was right and nearly 40 years on society has gone to the dogs.

[@jalenwalker884]

Jackie Collins is prettier than Joan Collins. The only reason why Joan Collins is pretty is because she wears alot of red lipstick.

[@carlosdyer5868]

The older woman was telling it like it is. Moral Decay infects Society

[@maggiec83]

and what do you define as 'moral decay'?

[@davidlondon9696]

@@maggiec83 probably anyone who is not like himself! 😂

[@j.c7719]

…and she was peddling ghost written pipe dreams to lonely singeltons.

[@mickeyrouke]

I love Jackie, but it rubbed me the wrong way that she looked down on 50 Shades

[@destineydevereux4722]

2019 Aquitaine France,,,,, Dame Barbara Cartlands works are still quite popular ( at least in France and England),,, but Jackie died and her books went with her,,,, her biggest claim to fame was having Dame Joan Collins for a sister🇫🇷💋

[@glamdolly30]

Jackie Collins pointless Ava Gabor story fell totally flat - embarrassing!

[@nintendy]

It didn't help her when she made the blunder halfway through telling it either...