BART Legacy Fleet Decommissioning

[@blakrootz]

Wow, this hurt my heart. It was like watching a funeral for a train car that helped me go everywhere I needed around the bay area. @00:30 was the hardest to view. If I had the space, I would buy an A Unit Car and install a model BART train layout inside of it.

[@Alejandro-vn2si]

I know, it is sad, but remember. It's kind of like reincarnation. The metals and all the materials on those cars will create something new and better. Maybe even a new train car in another part of the world (even if it could be one fleet of the future). So, it's just an allusion of an era that is going to end, but it is also a new era of something new that will be created as a result of those materials.

[@user-dj7wv5ok2x]

​@@Alejandro-vn2si"Create something new and better" in a country halfway around the planet....

[@TrainOperator5150]

Car 1208 was my nemesis. I'm in my third decade as a Train Operator. If you are a frequent rider you have probably experienced what we call a "run through". This is where the computer that is supposed to stop the train at the station fails to do so, so the operator manually stops the train. Sometimes we are within the station, and can open the doors and proceed. Other times, we are partially out of the station and have to go to each affected door to activate a mechanism that physically prevents that door from opening, before returning to the cab and bypassing the safety systems to open the doors that are still within the platform. Needless to say, this causes delays, and is no fun for the operator or passengers. Back in the 90's or early 2000's, I started keeping a log of which car I was operating when this happened, and it quickly became apparent that car #1208 accounted for about 80% of the occurrences in my data. I contacted our Vehicle Trouble Desk to report my findings, and they said something to the effect of, "Oh, we know. Over the years we've replaced the antennas, the computers, even the wiring harnesses, but that car still won't stop at certain stations." (Montgomery, MacArthur, and Daly City are the ones that come to mind.) After that, I always took note of when I was operating #1208, and took matters into my own hands to ensure we stopped within the platform. Many years later, I was operating car #1208 from SFO to Pittsburg/Baypoint late one night. As we passed the maintenance yard in Concord, and started up the rise toward Concord station, I observed an enormous eucalyptus limb that had fallen across both tracks. Trains do not stop rapidly, so needless to say we hit that limb with considerable force. It knocked out the headlights, cracked the front of the cab, and damaged some track equipment, but despite my hopes, it didn't knock any sense into #1208. (i.e. it continued to stop long on a semi-regular basis.) R.I.P. #1208. Couldn't have happened to a better car.

[@PaulFisher]

Amazing story, thank you for posting it. RIP (recycle in pieces)

[@TheBartPaige]

Truly the end of it

[@CaltrainFan900]

Bruh

[@AsteaFrosty]

Great detective work there! I've seen a new train fail to stop at a station too so good to know the TOs are being vigilant

[@TheBleggh]

If you can't beat your enemies, outlast them!

[@miloa5833]

You should donate some of the legacy locomotives to the railway museum in Sacramento, keep the legacy going

[@eva.cassidy]

Western Railway Museum is getting some BART cars for display as part of transit history.

[@ronaldcheng1857]

@@eva.cassidy Hope they do the same with Muni too and also Caltrain (if they electrify their rail system in the future)

[@davidng2336]

@@ronaldcheng1857 some of the diesel fleet of Caltrain will remain, even after electrification.

[@EMD_F59PHI]

@@davidng2336 *CalTrain Has Something Of Ours That They Purchased After The South Korean Fleet Took Over. And That Is The 16 Bombardier Coaches That Metrolink Sent To CalTrain. I just want those Coaches to also be in a museum and not scrapped like the heritage Fleet and the Old L.A. Metro LRVs (Yes same thing happened here too 2 were reserved) The old diesel Fleet just like CalTrain will be reserved (I think) And the Fleet is being revamped Thanks God Pooh-Pooh-Pooh. UwU*

[@susanagomez2873]

I agree we should keep them in a museum or Heritage Railway

[@robotsongs]

This is sad and beautiful and awesome. I'm sure at some point I rode on that car. Godspeed 1208. And glad BART take them to Schnitzer! Those are the good guys (and local)!

[@frankdenardo8684]

I have many times. Originally car 208.

[@shivam6384]

No way don't tell them to take that it was my fav! I didn't roll that back car

[@manuelalvarado6510]

May Rohr A2 cab car #1208 (originally built as Rohr type A #208) rest in pieces (1973-2020).

[@northerncalirails2008]

Today is the official day BART turns 51 and decomissions the entire legacy fleet, makes me sad since I get childhood nostalgia from riding them when I was much younger, I will never forget the good old days of BART and its legacy fleet

[@DNP_10]

Geez where’s the graphic images warning?

[@CN_Planefanner]

Ikr, I can’t unsee this now 😭

[@takashiPR]

oof I feel a bit sad , if trains were people they will censor it

[@CN_Planefanner]

takashi PR0187 yeah, but how is that not demonetized?

[@takashiPR]

@@CN_Planefanner if trains were people

[@CN_Planefanner]

takashi PR0187 true

[@TransbayTuber]

Godspeed 1208

[@ozfestgot]

Man I rode these trains since I was a kid and I remember when they brought BART to Pittsburg I was just up enjoy. And now seen this kind of hurts my feelings 🥺

[@armandogodoy9763]

1:07 they close the back

[@TeamElgato12]

That’s sad🥺 The old boy is still in my heart and I think I ride that car when I was four 😢

[@Takeo.8827]

RIP 1208

[@Pensyfan19]

Wow. Bart itself is showing a video of its first subway class being scrapped with sad music. This hurts my heart seeing this. Why not preserve it?! Anywas, can we have an F in the chat for this fallen hero?

[@AshmewStudios]

They will preserve some

[@thecanavigator]

F

[@jacksonskyline]

F

[@DanielGolinski]

F

[@amypellas4533]

F

[@X-OR_]

We got our tax dollars back on this BART Car. It was well used !!!

[@tylergreen4843]

The A cars are the ones universal's earthquake ride subway were based on. I hope they possible keep a set of A cars as a heritage train and preserve them

[@coastercrafter1productions300]

I live close to universal and to send these trains to the simpsons land and also to the OERM so we so cal fellows get to at least feel how BArt was

[@jacksonskyline]

Nooooo! The type A train! You will be missed. You have carried people for many years, but like all of us, your time must come to an end. Good Bye.

[@takashiPR]

well put it in the california rail museum witha plaque saying "first rapid transit or metro train in california" ,because the ones in SF are more like streetcars.

[@sfmike711]

@@takashiPR : That's because the ones running on the streets in San Francisco are, in fact, streetcars. Sacramento has them. San Jose has them. San Diego has them. Los Angeles has them.

[@justaP42DC]

@@sfmike711 Los Angeles street cars were like old days

[@sfmike711]

@@justaP42DC : Not quite sure exactly what you mean. The rail vehicles currently running along LA's streets are streetcars, modern ones, but streetcars nonetheless. The current term is "LRV" (light rail vehicle), but it's still a streetcar.

[@justaP42DC]

@@sfmike711 The old system of Streetcars of Los Angeles was removed. If you don’t know what I mean, check out What happened to the Los Angeles Street car video, that’s the one I’m talking about.

[@TheTheo58]

If this footage was shot at the Hayward Yard (which it appears to be) I went on a school field trip back in 1973 with a small group of students. One of our classmates father's worked for Bart. We took the train We took the train from El Cerrito Plaza to Hayward where our classmate's dad meet up w/us. We got to see the shop, trains being serviced, parts rooms. It's where I learned one fuse for the train cost $1,500.00! And $150.00 for each sheet of window glass. Went up to the observation tower, overseeing the yard. Very educational.

[@sfmike711]

@TheTheo58 : I find it extremely hard to believe that one fuse would cost $1,500. The glass price is probably on the low end as it's tempered and smoked.

[@TheTheo58]

@@sfmike711 As I recall it was a very large cartridge type fuse with flat bar contacts on each end. Which are often used in large disconnect switches. The fuse was likely a high voltage and amperage as to the cost. The 3rd rail was 1kV DC, each car had 4 150 HP DC traction motors, each pair wired in series.

[@xtheunknownvariable3430]

If that train could talk, oh the stories it would tell.

[@TheCloakedTiger]

Dang that breaks my heart… Grew up with those cars… I hope they do a special fan trip for the last cars in the old fleet…

[@spocksvulcanbrain]

Not mine. Cars were old, decrepit, out of date, noisy, looked like they were abused (plastic doesn't buff out well), incredibly dirty, and uncomfortable even with the newer seats. Glad to see them go for the new ones. Nostalgia isn't always a good thing.

[@brentduanefoster]

Man, that old Train Horn sound brought back memories. Truly the end of an era.

[@Someonesaidthis]

I rode those trains when i was young 😭

[@stormgirl09]

I can't help but think of the Brave Little Toaster movie!! The train sang a song before getting crushed...😶

[@sfmike711]

I'm a retired T/O, having left in 2013. I'm not sure why everyone is waxing nostalgic over these old cars. They were temperamental and overly prone to problems, both big and small. Things like heating/AC, doors, brakes, lighting, overheating bearings were problematic and sometimes hard to fix on the fly. The on-board computer would act up causing more headaches. I once had a fully loaded, 10-car, afternoon rush-hour train crap out approaching Rockridge. I couldn't get that computer to reset no matter how I configured it. I had to dump some 1,000 people at the station to squeeze onto following trains to continue their journeys. Folks, while the cars were cutting edge back then, they certainly gave it their all and really needed to be replaced.

[@BrianJColby15YT]

Here in Boston, we had the Hawker-Siddeley cars on the Orange and Blue lines, and while they were great when fresh from the factory, 41 years of wear, tear and Boston winters rusted them alive. I've never been to SFO but I would go there just to ride the trains and trolleys, especially BART.

[@brentduanefoster]

Hey, can't fight nostalgia. But, I get it from an operator's perspective. You guys knew those trains better than us. But, for us riders, some different memories hit.

[@brentduanefoster]

@@BrianJColby15YTI lived in Boston from 2000-2007, so I know EXACTLY what you're talking about.

[@Kitty8791]

​@@BrianJColby15YT The Orange & Blue lines were definitely not as nice as the Red & Green lines. The "new" Silver Line wound up being a fancy bus w/ dedicated underground tunnels for some portions. Though the SL1 being free from Logan Airport to South Station, where you can get a transfer ticket to the Red Line, is pretty sweet.

[@carspov]

Damn. I just hope they keep one in a mesuem or something like that

[@gtavstepfordcounty1733]

Don't worry I'm sure it will happen

[@takashiPR]

yes please because technically it is the first rapid transit system train in california tell me if I'm wrong. but the ones in SF are streetcars

[@sfmike711]

@@takashiPR : See comment above to answer streetcar remark.

[@eva.cassidy]

WRM in Rio Vista is getting a set.

[@tagwier]

Let me tell you a story on my first A2 car. It was 1208, an early morning, Tuesday. It was sometime before FOTF came in, so i think like 2015. The consist of this yellow line train was, as i recall, 1208, 1844, 1531, 1689, 389, 2516, 2559, 1728, 1832, and i think it was 1195. I was at the south end of the MacArthur platform, going to SFO. As I boarded #1208, the only i thought of was how crowded it was. Packed with commuters going to San Francisco, and other people. Little did I know the 5 years later this train would be sent a scrapper, never to be seen again. As of now, January 2024, There are only 17 A2 cars left, and only 1 will be preserved.

[@dusty_gaming1154]

i grew up riding these cars, it's sad to see them go. But at least i got to see them for 15 years of my life

[@armandogodoy9763]

1:29 it's over

[@Lucrativecris]

Y’all still have a lot more old legacy cars you should be fine

[@armandogodoy9763]

@@Lucrativecris what do you mean for

[@Kitty8791]

​@@LucrativecrisThey've all been replaced w/ the new "fleet of the future" . . . last run of legacy train was on 9/11/23.

[@mahboudz]

Frack! I’d pay to have one as an Additional Dwelling Unit.

[@Yowzoe]

I wonder if some where bought at auction for this reason…

[@Kitty8791]

Missed your chance. Pre-Qualification Applications were due March 2021. If approved, could submit Request Proposal. They received 20 & selected 8 in 2022.

[@johnnyfreedom3437]

I rode on the BART a couple of times back in the late 70s. At that time it only went 3/4 the way around. And never went to San Jose from either direction. To the best of my knowledge didn't go anywhere else yet either. That's turned into one helluva Transit line

[@larryboysen5911]

"Ashes to Ashes...Dust to Dust"...like life!!

[@coastercrafter1productions300]

So this Car was cremated i guess

[@DiddamsGaming]

Thought you guys were auctioning them off ? I was interested in owning one of these pieces of history for a music video/movie set rental

[@catvoncrimson666]

I think they are, maybe they’re just decommissioning the ones that are in disrepair

[@plixplop]

How cool would it be to have 2-3 cars for paintball / airsoft

[@DiddamsGaming]

@@plixplop faaacts

[@jayjohn9680]

Bart is a waste.

[@trevorderper5050]

@@jayjohn9680 seriously blame america for being stupid resulting in high crime rates.

[@Obi_Wan_Kenobi_027]

As sad as this is, the material used in these EMUs will go on to make other products. It’s even possible a small fraction of it could end up in new BART rolling stock.

[@Uncircuited]

This video has graphic imagery, but isn't restricted to 18+? Reported. (im joking lol but it still breaks my heart to see an a car like that get broken)

[@MarcusArline-rk1td]

Lunch time for the cruncher

[@injustifiiable]

I really hope a few of these will be preserved. Send them to Maine or CT!

[@Kitty8791]

Western Railway Museum in (Suisun) Solano County, CA is getting some legacy cars.

[@anthony2faded]

some areas will have BART A cars, Arthur Mac’s Tap & Snack Oakland, CA Hayward Fire Department will have a bart car, Western Railway Museum Suinsun City CA, and a BARTBar

[@Skeeballman64]

0:31 Aw man! Not the robo claws!

[@Kitty8791]

Why did your comment make me think of the Aliens in Toy Story worshiping The Claw? And then the scary segment in Toy Story 4 where they all had to escape!

[@Skeeballman64]

No clue, man.

[@WMAC_Master]

RIP we'll never forget these hopefully, they'll save at least one for memoeries

[@MerrittMcDaniel]

They still have some now incase they need an extra train so if you're lucky you can get on one.

[@antoineyoung36]

I'm going to miss the legacy train cars

[@shepardbook]

As will I. This brings a tear to the eye.

[@TracksideSam]

bruh bart made a huge mistake

[@antoineyoung36]

@@TracksideSam I know. I can't believe they're getting rid of the legacy fleets that fast

[@awmusichistory]

People living in the Bay Area say these old legacy cars having air conditioning problems and they don’t handle the heat as well as the fleet or the future cars! Which is why Bart is getting rid of them

[@andrewfutterman3346]

Most of those train cars have been in service for nearly 50 years. With the shoddy way things are being built now, I'll be surprised if the new ones last for 10.

[@nick_osas]

I feel like that’s just the sad norm for any new vehicle now these days

[@xde6010]

I hope these new cars last for at least for like 30 years

[@ernielundquist2869]

The D & E series Bombardier railcars are like turds in a white t-shirt. So many Mods to be done to upgrade the vehicle. Something like 600-800 Mods (Modifications). Why Bart couldn't special order them that way is beyond me.

[@kaiwetlesen9114]

Man that is sad to see... so many memories on BART are now just that.

[@SCRM_Railfan]

R.i.p the Legacy fleet you will be missed

[@tay.0]

I need one in my backyard fun for the kids to play with.

[@takashiPR]

well your kids can have it as their play room and don't need to use their room

[@KittyHerder]

That's so sad. You could have made bank selling them to restaurants. Can you imagine being out in Iowa and dining on a BART car?

[@GalenlevyPhoto]

That’s a great idea.

[@SuburbaniteUrbanite]

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. BART is our Phoenix.

[@ItzKKPlaysYT]

R.I.P #1208

[@kyoakland]

Sad to say I probably rode that BART train a thousand times

[@Mr_Prospector_]

I wonder if they're preserving some of the original BART cars for historical purposes @BARTable.

[@Kitty8791]

Yup, Western Railway Museum is getting some.

[@devilmaster5586]

Nooooooo why do you do this to the old trains they have Carrie many people for a long time why can't you just have the both new and old trains what I love most about the old trains I love the sounds when it goes upper ground it is so satisfying is music to my ears nooooooo please don't get rid of the old trains please don't

[@PNWElevatorAviation]

Cause parts are getting harder and harder to combine for the old stuff

[@BlueThunderO7]

😭

[@shivam6384]

This fastest high-speed hero

[@cocoablini]

Back when the future was space age and sleek! Hopefully keep a few in mint condition and they become the novelty cars. Fit them out with vintage cloth seats or better yet, run bar cars on Fridays like Metro-North in NY,CN, NJ

[@roachtoasties]

R.I.P.

[@jacksonwong8748]

Why are the logos covered up with blackout tape and the car number.

[@michwashington]

R. I.P. 🚆

[@PHope-sl4nj]

R. I. P. BART Legacy Fleet Trains.

[@Octa5501]

Werr probably using old bart trains as spoons

[@PHope-sl4nj]

Farewell To Old BART Legacy Fleet Trains.

[@deliverygig_guy]

The c1 and c2 cars are notorious for reliability issues! HVAC tend to fail! The A cars have been well maintained

[@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory]

I'm literally shaking and crying rn how could they do this

[@TracksideSam]

cause BART is drunk

[@warden6516]

R.i.p Bart train

[@WilliamDavidson-mv6hk]

The ship that the scrap was loaded on, where is its final destination? Hopefully that scrap won't be dumped in the ocean.

[@CaltrainFan900]

This Is Heartbreaking For All The Bart Fans, Like Why? WHY???

[@luke.415]

Great choice of music. So sad.

[@connormacleod7010]

These bart trains in this video I love them they have charisma it's like driving a car from the 1950s Bart should keeping them in service

[@crazyoncoffee]

Unfortunately the parts are impossible to find and they have to keep taking apart trains to get replacement parts as they break down. To keep the service reliable, new trains were needed. The old ones will be preserved in museums

[@coastercrafter1productions300]

@@crazyoncoffee at least sell those to collectors

[@its-LuqmanVlogs]

Really sad to let these guys go

[@sebastianfloyd372]

I’m going to scrap the scrappers

[@tagwier]

Yes

[@michwashington]

Just sad 😞

[@samjeffs2700]

Hopefully some go to transit museums

[@iannarita9816]

ian narita Western Railway Museum in Rio Vista is getting a pair. They are trying to raise money for an exhibit.

[@graphtonix6607]

Are any of the old BART cars being donated to Railroad museums??? Please let me know.

[@iannarita9816]

Western Railway Museum in Rio Vista is getting a pair. They are trying to raise money for an exhibit.

[@graphtonix6607]

@@iannarita9816 I am so very happy to hear that. I grow up with those BART cars.

[@Lion_McLionhead]

The space age 1970's design is no more, but fortunately video doesn't convey odor.

[@sanyahikari7072]

All that metal is heading to build the Future Fleet.

[@archstanton5973]

More likely the next soda or beer someone drinks.

[@sg1178c]

Singapore is also decommissioning old train cars

[@A.Matt7]

this hurt to watch

[@tallpaul9475]

Going back to where they came from, and becoming the beer cans they would have originally become... now.

[@sweetmapleleafs]

They should have done what the NY MTA does when they retire its old fleet: dump them in the ocean.

[@Kitty8791]

They can't b/c the trains contain 6 tons of aluminum (& 1 ton of copper). They aren't just steel.

[@user-dj7wv5ok2x]

My suggestion would be to convert them into tiny homes for the homeless.

[@andrewskigordon4941]

😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@fg244friendsand]

The Music make me sad 😢😢 including the train delivered to scrapyard, and scrapped

[@connormacleod7010]

For me I would rather ride and old Bart train then a New one I Do Not like the new bart trains the old bart trains I love those old trains you're so beautiful they have class charisma I've been riding Bart since the late 1970s early 80s thank you for the video I know this has nothing to do with this but I remember a TV series that was filmed on BART Nash Bridges the TV series and a movie call kuffs movie 1992

[@sfmike711]

@Connor MacLeod: Do you know how to write so your comment can be understood?

[@SCGB127]

I really hope they keep the old cars to give away to other train companies it's my thought

[@takashiPR]

but they use a wider gauge than standard gauge so it's impossible and the trains are too wide

[@Kitty8791]

Yup, broad gauge 5'6" vs standard 4' 8.5"

[@user-dj7wv5ok2x]

​@@takashiPRThey COULD'VE been delivered to Argentina, Chile, India, Pakistan,or Bangladesh; all those countries use the same gauge as BART tracks.

[@jayy9029]

godspeed 1208, godspeed.

[@PHope-sl4nj]

The Original Old 669 Cars Will Be Replaced Like Any Years.

[@dahc5906]

train cars could be made into tiny homes it sad to see what is waste that can be gutted and be made into a single home or two story with a shipping container

[@Kitty8791]

They are being fully recycled locally. www.bart.gov/about/projects/legacy

[@barbarakilpatrick3859]

freedom fighter 1974 i trulybelieve bart is the internet of choice new training please.😷

[@JohnHolik]

Does anyone know why I see these cars on flatbed trucks going through Ohio? Are they recycled somewhere in the Eastern US?

[@user-pz2oe1jf2r]

BARTの初期車両A/Bクラス、ローア工業製車両、長い間ご苦労様！

[@SuperWorldRailFanProductions]

When would the entire legacy fleet be retired from service? Because I wish to ride one of these before they are all gone!

[@eva.cassidy]

Got a feeling they might keep a legacy train or 2 for special events like some other transit properties have.

[@ernielundquist2869]

If the new D & E cars keep having issues like cars decoupling on mainline Legacy cars will still be running. 669 Legacy cars. It'll be a while before they're all gone.

[@Kitty8791]

Gone! Last legacy train ran 9/11/23. All "fleet of the future" now.

[@SuperWorldRailFanProductions]

@@Kitty8791 I'm totally aware. Had my ride on these back in 2022.

[@catbutte4770]

I'm glad to know the trains are recycled. 👍 It would be nice to see what the scraps of that train were made into, though. 🙂

[@ejdsndnj]

It would actually be nice to see what cats are recycled into.

[@S-CB-SL-Animations]

​@@ejdsndnj...CATS?!?!

[@TracksideSam]

i am never riding you guys again. this made me throw my pc across the room. i am ready to flip off bart trains.

[@marcusarline1720]

Bye Bye 1208, I don't have to ride it anymore on the lines that I'm currently is riding.

[@benchhoeun4763]

Sad bart train 1208

[@amypellas4533]

Rip 1208

[@benchhoeun4763]

Rip bart subway

[@PHope-sl4nj]

Old BART Trains Goes To Scrapyard.

[@graphtonix6607]

That is very sad.😭😭😭😭😭

[@tagwier]

April 20th, 2024, last time the legacy fleet will run. Ever.

[@YAZZYUTUBE]

What's the purpose of covering up the car number with tape?

[@kennethsouthard6042]

I know when airliners take their last flight to the boneyard, the logo of the airline is painted over, but I can't see the purpose of blacking out a car number.

[@kennethsouthard6042]

Here's what I'm going to guess. Bart sold the car before it left their yard so when It was on that truck, it was no longer their property. Had an incident occurred when that car was under transportation to the scrapper, some legal mind at Bart probably figured that some way somehow someone might try to make a case that Bart is liable. They probably thought just to be on the safe side that covering up the logo could prevent that from happening. However, I really don't think that would have worked. Assume for example that there had been a major catastrophe where that car rolled off the truck on the freeway and 50 people died. Such an incident would probably exceed any insurance the scrapper had and people would be looking for deep pockets. Attorneys would argue that Bart was liable given that they knowingly sold a car to someone with insufficient means to transport it safely. This argument would hold water whether or not the logos were taped over.

[@kennethsouthard6042]

What was the purpose of blacking out the car number?

[@Robot-fi6gs]

AYO this is cruel >:(

[@binLADDDER]

Damn, I wish I had a metro sistem and a bunch of money. I believe those could be easily retrofitted.

[@tagwier]

These indeed were easily retrofitted, during 1998-2002, the entire fleet of ROHR cars were rebuilt/refurbished by Bombardier and Adtranz.

[@QuarioQuario54321]

What happens after it?

[@ejdsndnj]

They start cleaning they crappy D car Bart train

[@Kitty8791]

This explains the decommissioning & recycling. www.bart.gov/about/projects/legacy

[@spocksvulcanbrain]

Someone could have used those for the shell of new homes.

[@matttonkli7024]

Which other A cars have been retired

[@tagwier]

As of January 2024, only about 15 A cars are left, and the remaining have been scrapped. Notable survivors include 1164, 1203

[@Urban_Man]

RIP

[@AKAIGXF71]

R.I.P.!