Bart Ehrman and Kevin Grant - A Discussion About Hell

[@kevingrant837]

Hi everyone, Kevin Grant here. I want to really thank every one of you who took the time to give a thumbs up or, even better, to leave a comment about this video. They truly are Very important and go a long way in signaling to others that something here might be worth their while. I believe passionately in this work - education is so vital - and if you’re a fan of Bart’s you know that is the drive behind all he does. On a personal note, I deeply appreciate the support and it inspires me to keep on going.

[@CH4R10T_TV]

This was a great discussion Kevin! I'm really eager to dive into your work.

[@kevingrant837]

Thank much. Appreciate that!

[@blahblahbag8715]

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[@traceysnyder6254]

Easy to mistake you for a religious Christian when you see “Jesus” in big letters on the cover of your book ;). Maybe should have put the “Non-religious” in subtitle in bigger letters, just sayin. But I was interested enough to start reading it anyway and I am much enjoying it so far.

[@Allycatsunflower]

I think it’s great that you’re opening yourself up and interacting w the audience here. I am just about done w your book. It’s really not what I expected (I mean that in a good way). You cover hell completely pretty early on and there’s a lot of great stuff later. I wish you the best of luck. When is the next book coming??

[@kevingrant837]

Kevin Grant here again. Many people have asked so I’ll comment here: I am not religious at all. I am not Christian. That’s not a knock on religion; it’s just not who I am. I believe in God, I call myself spiritual, but “God” is just a vocabulary word after all- the best we can do thus far ;-). I delve into that topic a lot in my writing. When it comes to what Jesus said about hell, I stick strictly to what it says in the Bible, and adhere to Bible scholarship every step of the way. I also cover A Lot more ground than we did in this discussion in the topics I write about. Cheers

[@MathildeBourassa-om5lw]

Well now you’ve piqued my curiosity. Don’t be disheartened if you don’t get many readers here. Remember this is Bart’s world after all. You should be proud of the interview you did. I’ve seen just about every interview he’s ever done and this was hand’s down the best I ever saw. Keep at it!

[@saludabuddy]

An amazing conversation between two very well- informed scholars. Kevin Grant is new to me, his questions and his own deep knowledge made this one of the best discussions with Bart Erhman I have seen.

[@kevingrant837]

Wow that was a really nice comment to read. Thank you so much for taking the time to post that. Kevin

[@TheGfkl]

fascinating discussion. I really wish more people would explore these issues in an open minded, logical, and critical manner. The world would be a much nicer place. Thanks!

[@kevingrant837]

Amen to that. Thank you for commenting.

[@AmyMorgan-hs6fd]

Mr. Grant asked very insightful questions and best of all let Bart speak at great length.

[@leoadelman5955]

Gotta love two hours of Bart! This was a truly refreshing objective look at the facts. I like that the interviewer asked good questions and then just let Bart have had it. Very intellectual deep dive into hell.

[@nicholaslynndrake]

Thank God for Bart :D - His channel and old talks light my mind in the evenings as I unwind. Wonderful.

[@kevingrant837]

Amen on Bart

[@Arven8]

Thanks for reposting. I had seen the interview when Kevin posted it a while back, but it's worth re-watching. I enjoyed the interaction between Kevin and Bart, and I thought they covered a lot of interesting ground. Kevin did a nice job interviewing a top-notch scholar - not an easy task! Bart did a nice job explaining things.

[@kevingrant837]

Thank you for nice words. I appreciate it a lot. Kevin

[@michaellondon6073]

So interesting! Both Bart and Kevin did great work. Thanks

[@shella7670]

Thanks. Been listening to Bart for a while. I will have to check your channel out as well

[@katarinabloom-nx2ku]

I read your book a few days after watching the interview Kevin. I really enjoyed it- it covers a lot more ground than you’d think from this interview!

[@gerrilondon4183]

Enjoyed this interview very much. Bart and Kevin have excellent rapport. The content is fascinating and held my interest throughout

[@lukelamar8188]

Thank you for your questions Kevin. And Barts answers help answer a lot more questions I have had.

[@kevingrant837]

And thank you for your commenting!

[@jamesleehunter]

Really like that you did this with kevin, great everyman content that makes a difference

[@tiffanyh1274]

Fascinating conversation. Thanks for the great content.

[@julesadelman9016]

This is Bart at his finest. I’m very impressed you hung that hard and deep with him Kevin. Thanks for giving him all the time in the world on his answers.

[@julesadelman9016]

Yes that’s what I meant.

[@kevingrant837]

Thank you very much. I appreciate the feedback a lot. Kevin

[@nerdykidnick]

This information is probably the hardest pill to swallow… because it’s also not very opinion oriented. Anyone can read and find this themselves - and heaven and hell is such a foundational block in Christian theology, to have that stripped away means to have to reform or ignore. Will be interesting in the coming years to see how this information spreads and the changes maybe within churches or sects, or religion as a whole (probably not due tradition)

[@radwanabu-issa4350]

Biblical scholars have tried and failed for so long to prove that some or all biblical facts and events have really taken place in history. Now, there is a new approach trying to understand and analyze the logic and dynamics of what have been written without focusing too much about its historical veracity. They are doing much better and more successful in advancing our understanding of the religious heritage!

[@b.g.5869]

Religious biblical 'scholars' continue to declare that everything in the Bible actually happened and serious scholars have been taking a skeptical evidence based approach for centuries. There isn't anything new about evaluating biblical claims with critical scrutiny or acknowledging that many claims made in the Bible are not literally true.

[@Imthrashsfu]

Scholarship in any field does not succeed by starting with a premise.

[@b.g.5869]

The historicity of biblical events and people remains an area of keen interest in biblical scholars, particularly Bart Ehrman. You're talking about.something very different, which is presuming biblical events and people to be historical. This hasn't been the mainstream position of biblical scholars for a very long time and is a view advocated primarily by fundamentalists. Skepticism about the historicity and authorship of the Bible isn't new; it dates at least as far back as the Enlightenment. Biblical scholars like Ehrman frequently draw the ire of people across the belief spectrum from KZbin atheists that don't like him for saying he thinks there was an historical Jesus to Christians that don't like him for saying we don't know who wrote the gospels and that their content has been edited over the millennia etc. Serious, mainstream biblical scholars are are interested in what the objective facts actually are and not whether or not it supports or contradicts their preferred beliefs or lack thereof.

[@caripoe08]

This was Extremely educational. Thank you Bart and great job Kevin.

[@trevorcaplan229]

Down to business, no fluff. Excellent discussion.

[@ChrisCamilli]

Great interview. A lot of new ideas for me to digest

[@SynThenergy]

Absolutely phenomenal discussion that even was very spiritual

[@matokeisari1597]

What a delightful conversation.

[@MathildeBourassa-om5lw]

Thank you for sharing this interview/ information. I’ve watched it twice. I have ordered the book and am eager to read more about your ideas and experiences

[@briankeim3583]

A fascinating dialogue on what can be a very polarizing topic!

[@kevingrant837]

Thank you for leaving a comment!

[@RNCM_Philosophy]

Astonishingly good discussion. It's made me think that Jesus' teachings are all about orthopraxy as opposed to orthodoxy

[@kevingrant837]

Orthopraxy…great word and great point. Thanks for the feedback. Kevin

[@vadim666er]

Second time watching this video really great information! Thanks Bart you rock dude!

[@KelseyBiggers]

Very educational! Well done!

[@scienceexplains302]

*The Bible seems a lot more interesting* if you don’t assume that it is all true and don’t assume that the authors agree with each other

[@jenniferdesorda8503]

Great talk; very informative!

[@turbopro10]

@1:58:08 >> "... and we should all embrace the truth and the facts always, never turn from them..." Hear, Hear, Kevin.

[@kevingrant837]

Thank you much for chiming in. Appreciate it. Kevin

[@MissAynneK]

“The eternal rabbit hole of Paul” really made me laugh! 😆 This was a really insightful discussion that has really shed more light on what the original context of the New Testament was. Thank you for sharing this! 👏🏾

[@kevingrant837]

Wow you watched to the end ;-). Thank you very much for feedback. I appreciate it a lot. Kevin

[@germanshepherd2701]

Same lmaooo I laughed when I heard that too it’s so true 😂

[@bartobrien3152]

Bright bloke Kevin Grant. Gets the best out of Bart Ehrman.

[@kevingrant837]

Thanks very much, and thank you for leaving a comment. Kevin

[@oliviadawes3345]

Thanks for putting this content out 👌🏻👌🏻

[@willieluncheonette5843]

" Hell and heaven are within you, both gates are within you. When you are behaving unconsciously there is the gate of hell; when you become alert and conscious, there is the gate of heaven. There is no heaven and there is no hell. They are not geographical, they are part of your psychology. They are psychological. To live the life of spontaneity, truth, love, beauty is to live in heaven. To live the life of hypocrisy, lies, compromises, to live according to others, is to live in hell. To live in freedom is heaven, and to live in bondage is hell."

[@mr.c2485]

Nice story..

[@Matira269]

@@mr.c2485 Even if heaven and hell are internal states, hell would be no less horrific, because we perceive the world in our minds. It would also be a state that a person cannot just use the will to exit, so that does not soften the idea. We all know examples of people who are beyond help due to mental health challenges and they cannot exit, or be rescued.

[@Allycatsunflower]

Amazing, so informative, fresh, and loaded with rizz

[@AndreaVisakRDN]

Can’t say I’ve ever heard of you Kevin Grant but you’ve won a fan. Excellent interview. I just bought your book and look forward to reading it.

[@kevingrant837]

Thank you very much. Really Appreciate the feedback. Kevin

[@nathanaelsmith3553]

I enjoyed Bart's point about prophecy being about 'forth-telling' not 'foretelling'. Metaphysically that is compatible with free will and non-determinism. In that context God's omnisciece is his knowledge of all possible futures but not the actual future because it has not been decided and so hasnt happened yet. That is a message of hope rather than fatalism.

[@kevingrant837]

I liked that also- forth-telling

[@TupacMakaveli1996]

For 4 years now I'm following Bart and other scholars like him and I concluded that religious people would come up just anything to justify their narrative. They would make up anything to show that it's their fault and god is punishing them.

[@aimaryousifraheema9597]

@TupacMakaveli1996 it’s not only about religious people who come up with justifications, you have to be neutral and not to follow Bart from your heart! Dr. Ehrman himself will come up with nonsense sometimes to justify his point view and 4years of following him should be more than enough to know his ways of thinking! Cheers🎉

[@sps6374]

Very interesting - I was a little frightened by the runtime but I thought there was only one bit that was a little bit dragged/repetitive (the part contrasting literal interpretations and metaphorical ones) but it wasn’t so long that I got unhooked. Overall, there was no filler, all interesting! And I say that as someone who’s already listened to Bart’s book and lectures about heaven and hell for hours!

[@kevingrant837]

Much appreciate the feedback. Thanks, Kevin

[@normbale2757]

Believing in and endorsing a literal Hell is the ultimate perversion.

[@nunyabusiness9056]

It truly does turn christianity and the other abrahamic religion that shares it into the most perverted twisted moral systems imaginable. Throw in the fact that the main thing that gets people sent there isn't even a sin according to modern theology, it's literal thought crimes, things utterly beyond our control. We don't get to choose what we believe, we have to be convinced to believe something. I've read the bible through cover to cover four times, i've listened to COUNTLESS hours of christian apologetics, i've read the most commonly recommended books to defend the faith and i've never been a believer, this of course condemns me to hell, yet apparently Jeffrey Dahmer found christ in prison, he repented and I keep hearing from apologists that he's the perfect example of christs mercy, he's in heaven i assume not eating people yet me, the guy who literally refuses to kill bugs, i'm doomed because god for some reason made me with a brain that simply cannot find any of this stuff convincing.

[@lindotimo]

There is also the word 'Sheol' in the Old Testament. That is translated as 'Hell'. But there was no tormenting, it was just some store for souls.

[@marycollis6900]

Are you sure it was for souls? Souls are a Plato thing, not a bible thing. We are a body which they believed God breathed into- that breath is the spirit of man. That’s the Old testament belief. No souls.

[@nerdykidnick]

Not really. Sheol at its core is more closely to a mental state of deep anguish. Next to that some may say it’s the “grave” (literal pit). MAYBE post book of Daniel and maybe into the new millennia Jews may have incorporated the kind of “store” hades is for souls and tied it with Sheol,

[@kevingrant837]

At 1:54:08 is a statement from Bart on Sheol. Kevin

[@kevingrant837]

Thank you for your comment. I liked that one a lot as well .

[@srob4313]

Bart is equating Gehenna/Jehennama (one word, a noun) with Genat Henan (2 words garden of Henan). I am curious where he got that from.

[@scripturaltruth7636]

Parable comes from the Latin word parabola meaning comparison in 1st century. Stems from Greek parabolē ‘placing side by side, application’, from para- ‘beside’ + bolē ‘a throw’ (from the verb ballein ).Parable was never meant to mean some metaphorical meaning. Mar_12:12 And they sought to lay hold on him, but feared the people: for they knew that he had spoken the parable against them: and they left him, and went their way.

[@joykeebler1916]

- the ones that do not receive in as to The Way Will keep a mortal mark as to within the 1,000 years (The Truth) as with in so they will abide

[@dodo1opps]

Kevin sounds like he is reading prepared questions.

[@nunyabusiness9056]

He probably is. That's fine. He's not a scholar or a professional interviewer and his questions were great.

[@rayneweber5904]

First! Can't get enough of that Barty goodness.

[@nathanaelsmith3553]

How about an eternity of it - heaven or hell?

[@rayneweber5904]

@@nathanaelsmith3553 personally I subscribe to annihilationism. Toss me that fire

[@mooshei8165]

@@nathanaelsmith3553most Christians, if not all all are going to hell anyways

[@HPLeft]

My takeaway from this talk is that Christians refuse to acknowledge how much their tradition owes Plato (and almost assuredly the Vedic / Buddhist traditions) - because, as both Bart and James Tabor make clear in their respective lectures, the immortality of the soul is simply not a feature of either ancient or 1st Century ACE Judaism. According to Professor Arthur Williamson, in an old Teaching Company lecture series (Apocalypse Then, Apocalypse Now), some Christians continued to believe in a physical resurrection of the body as late as the 17th century.

[@TheNub97]

What a fantastic discussion. As someone who’s in the process of re-evaluating my own beliefs this was incredibly insightful. I’m curious…so it sounds like we can prettt definitively say the gospels and Jesus didn’t really mean that people will suffer for eternity…but what about going to heaven? Is going to heaven only reserved for this who believed in God as John might suggest…or is it more in line with what the synoptic gospels say where it’s more due to how one lives? And is how one lives different from “good works”?

[@traceysnyder6254]

Wow. Everything there is to know about hell in two hours flat. I appreciated that Grant knew his stuff but let Bart do the heavy lifting.

[@kevingrant837]

Well he’s the man, isn’t he… ;-). Thanks much for your feedback

[@hablabamosa]

Heaven = Inner Peace, Tranquillity. Hell=Cancer

[@andrewwigglesworth3030]

I've just gone through two hours of hell.

[@termikesmike]

Blessed u didn't go to Gehenna

[@ChrisCamilli]

Is this offer still available (free book)?? If so, I’d like to take you up on this asap

[@kevingrant837]

Yes sir. Just go to my website and leave me your address in the Q&A section. Thank you! Hope You like

[@teiladnam]

I don't need a long introduction explaining why Bart Ehrman is great, I already know he's great. No idea who James A. Gray is though.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

"Jesus Never Existed" at Ken Humphries Channel works for me.

[@joykeebler1916]

: Fire Of Unknown Origin -and that of science can't comprehend

[@joykeebler1916]

- the song BURNIN' FOR YOU/Blue Oyster Cult

[@Frances864]

❤❤❤

[@-whackd]

Heaven and hell are within you

[@mr.c2485]

One on each shoulder?

[@scienceexplains302]

*Paul was an annihilationist* Paul never mentions Hades or Gehenna or a lake of fire, with possible exception of 1 Corinthians 3:13 1 Thessalonians 5:3 2 Thessalonians 1:9 1 Corinthians 5:5 1 Timothy 6:9

[@randysatterfield7966]

Kevin Grant looks like he could be Mike Licona's older brother!

[@joykeebler1916]

- Dr. Bart Ehrman does do a very diligent study thereof -let no one kid themselves as this

[@brettstarks1846]

To use youthful gamer slang, apocalyptic thinking is basically a massive cope.

[@nerdykidnick]

ong fr

[@hanlonn]

Hell is both a place in Niflheim, and the daughter of Loki who presides over said place

[@calebcool2171]

Bart needs a better camera and mic setup

[@2777dave]

What, no eternal conscious torment in a place called hell? How will Christians scare people into their belief?

[@colinmul981]

Do you think Jesus ,preached for the people of his time, with no thought what modern times may equate of his preaching ,

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Heaven and hell are the creations of human desire. Heaven is whatever you want and hell is whatever you don't want. All man made by the living. The dead have nothing to say because they no longer exist to be rewarded or punished.

[@Carlo-j9z]

Hell is simple, Gehenna is where the garbage goes, its burnt up, destroyed forever. This basically it according to Mark and Matthew, but Luke turns hell into a place of suffering. People accept Luke because it is in the bible, but I don't think Luke is a legitimate gospel. Luke 1:1-4 Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word, it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus; so that you may know the exact truth about the things you have been taught. Luke is an investigative work, a very late one, one that seems to take alot of creative liberties. I don't think Luke makes for good apologetics, it is very distant from the word it pretends inform about.

[@joykeebler1916]

- the sun moon and stars is the backwards reference towards Revelation 12 And not the literal objects of the Sun, Moon and Stars which in so then would be capitalized as such

[@WeesloYT]

Is this a reupload?

[@kevingrant9275]

yes, change of book title

[@WeesloYT]

Thanks Kevin! I was sure I had listened to this not too long ago

[@tokrv]

👍

[@bob3ironfist]

Kevin Grant looks a bit like human Bender from Futurama

[@dbarker7794]

Kiss my shiny metal......... 🤖

[@termikesmike]

"Hell" doesn't exist until the English translation of King James

[@ztimbo]

How does the pneuma or soul linger around until judgement day?

[@marycollis6900]

It doesn’t. No such thing. That Comes from Plato. The BODY rests till judgement day then the BODY is raised and life comes into it- according to the teachings. This idea about disembodied souls going to God or heaven is not a Christian idea at all. It’s just a tradition that came in via the Greeks and the Catholic Church.

[@ztimbo]

@@marycollis6900 Bodies have been "resting" for a long time. Not much left after 6 months. I saw that resurrection on Game of Thrones. Pretty cool.

[@roberthoyle1971]

Nothing that Bart has ever written has made him question his faith??? Really??? I don't see how a rational person using reason and logic CANT but question their faith reading Barts work. I was an atheist before I found Bart and his writings have only confirmed my atheism!

[@kevingrant837]

Obviously I can’t reply to every comment, but what’s always interesting here is I never stated what my faith was. Most people assume I’m a religious Christian. I’m not. I wrote a comment about that today. I believe in “God” and there’s a lot to what that means, but not what can be stated in a moment. Bart’s books have only ever educated me and helped me to understand Bible scholarship more. Amy time I teach or give a lecture to religious people I recommend Bart’s books. It is one of my deepest beliefs that God and the truth are Never mutually exclusive! To me it’s always been an insane thought that God would expect anyone to turn away from or deny the truth, Or, believe we have to believe things that happened 2,000 years ago that no one can ever know for sure. For ex, Imagining it is an issue of faith to proclaim Jesus walked on water. No one knows or will know. Thanks for the feedback

[@alexb.8769]

Where should all the personalities come from when there is no rebirth? If there is rebirth the concept of hell doesn`t make sense.

[@albionicamerican8806]

Going to heaven doesn't protect you from going to hell. What if you go to heaven, and then you rebel against god? Or is something else happens to alienate you from god?

[@x7heDeviLx]

Love this but 🍑 … how many ways can one ask and answer if the fire was real or artist license I feel like he answered that early and often it is just analogy or referring to the actual place in Jerusalem 😊

[@jordondaniels9276]

I thought Kevin was AI generated

[@SpitSharp]

If Jesus died for the sins off all people in the past that would mean for all in the future as well without even knowing ❤

[@scienceexplains302]

*Matthew’s Jesus unaware of Hebrew Language Bible?* Matthew 5:17-18 … not one iota (a Greek letter) or keraia (part of some Greek letters) will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Matthew’s Jesus seems aware of *only* the Greek version of the Torah and Prophets and expects that his audience also knows only that version. Hebrew had no such orthography until much later, so it’s *not* just a translation issue.

[@AlexLightGiver]

Hell is a state of mind. An experience just like this Reallty we call Life. God doesn't put people in Hell Religion got this wrong.

[@joykeebler1916]

- duh duh duhduhduh One pill makes you larger and one pill makes you small and the one that mother gave you doesn't do anything at all Go ask alice When she's 9 feet tall

[@b.g.5869]

Bart is always interesting and I think it's really cool that he would spend two hours with a non-scholar but the guy sounds so rehearsed and unspontaneous it's hard to listen to when Bart isn't speaking. He sounds like he's reading from a teleprompter. I think it would have worked better if the other guy was replaced with text prompts or a robot text to speech app.

[@kevingrant837]

If you’d like to actually know the truth- there was no teleprompter - there was one for opening lines in reading off of- and then it broke! After many many hours of prepping, we ended up doing it mostly off the cuff- Sorry you didn’t like but hey at least no teleprompter. There was a quite a bit of spontaneity actually!

[@pinky9440]

​@kevingrant837 Don't stress about it Kevin. The people making these comments most probably never experienced making a video, just like to make negative comments.

[@shella7670]

I wasn’t familiar with him before but found his straightforward approach great and easy to follow. To each their own I guess.

[@b.g.5869]

@@shella7670 There's nothing wrong with what he's saying; the questions are good etc. It's a very difficult listen however because he's obviously reading. I don't have a problem with people using cue cards or a teleprompter so long as it's not obvious but the monotonous tone and lack of inflection is impossible to un hear. I've never heard of him before this video came up in my feed; apparently it was filmed two years ago video even though this was just posted recently. It would be interesting to see this guy Kevin speaking spontaneously in an unscripted video; I imagine he must be a reasonably competent KZbinr if he's acquired a decent sized following but the fact that it's super obvious he's reading here makes it a difficult listen.

[@b.g.5869]

@@kevingrant837 I didn't see this prior to my second reply here (see above). I don't have any problem with what you're saying or asking I just found the reading delivery hard to take so I stopped watching fairly early in. I'll give it another go. I notice this sort of thing more than most probably because I typically just listen to KZbin and don't watch so when someone's reading, unless they're used to making words on a teleprompter sound spontaneous, it's really obvious to me. I apologize for any offense. I should have made my observation and issue with the reading delivery in a more positive manner. Was this just posted for the first time this week? From what's said in the video it was apparently filmed 2 years ago.

[@rogersacco4624]

Robert M Price on hell .It is man,'s idea llike Bart says about it

[@rpoorbaugh]

3:09

[@davidhenschke44]

Why didn't he mention Israel and Gaza?

[@nunyabusiness9056]

How would that be relevant to a discussion on the historicity of the new testament?

[@terrywhelan1]

Ask anyone from the gulag, Sartre said Hell is other people.

[@MH55YT]

First of all, Kevin Grant's interview was great. I'm impressed. I follow Bart and spend far too much time with his videos and books (mostly videos). Thanks, Bart. Usually, he outshines everybody. But I was really impressed with you, Kevin.

[@kevingrant837]

Thank you so much for your kind words. They really matter a lot! Kevin

[@MH55YT]

@@kevingrant837 What I like about Bart (and now you) is that you quote actual Bible verses. Most "for-profit" preachers say generic things like, "God loves you." But these "money-seeking" KZbin preachers don't back it up with a Bible verse. You quoted many Bible verses, and I will look them up (thanks to you). You mentioned you are not as scholarly as Bart, but maybe you are just as scholarly. I appreciate your style and will look for more of your content. My original comment was written after only 50% of this video had been watched. I often had to rewind, take notes, and then rewind again to see what the "real" point was. It's taken me half a day to watch half of your video. This video is packed with information, and I attribute it to the actual Bible verses you quote. Thank you. So you can better understand your audience, I share Bart's religious viewpoint. But I listen to and learn from the full spectrum of religious beliefs. Based on the first half of this video, I'm not sure where you fall on the scale, but I suspect you are an orthodox Christian.

[@kevingrant837]

Thanks again, your feedback is appreciated and helpful. Did you happen to notice the cover of my book (subtitle in particular)? It’s interesting how many people have taken me for a religious Christian, or even Apologist, based on this interview, but I am actually not religious at all, much less any sort of preacher, though I don’t say that w any knock on religion intended whatsoever. I believe in God and call myself spiritual, for sure, but as I lay out in chapter two of my book, “God” is just a vocabulary word. If you share Bart’s religious views, which would really be a non-religious view I suppose, does that mean you’re an atheist? If I remember correctly (and hope I don’t botch this) Bart says of himself: “When it comes to whether I believe in God, I’m an atheist. If you ask me whether I know there’s a God or not, I’m an agnostic.” I have a series of five lectures I did called “The Psychology of the Spiritual Path” that will be up on my own KZbin channel tomorrow. They are about 30 minutes each and delve very specifically into Bible verses each time. You might like. I’ve been giving lectures for about six years now and part five was my favorite talk I ever gave. Best, Kevin

[@MH55YT]

@@kevingrant837 I'll look for and subscribe to your KZbin channel. I am an atheist/agnostic like Bart and watch all of Bart's content. But I also watch and read the same amount of orthodox Christian content. I really look forward to yours. I want to know both sides. Sadly, the Bible is extremely hard to understand. That's why there are over 25,000 different denominations over history and throughout the world. From Martin Luther to today. That's a lot of different Biblical interpretations. I'm writing a book, too (even though I'm not qualified). Your video, books, and others are my research. I'm interested in "Why so many Biblical interpretations?" Even when two people disagree on an interpretation, each viewpoint seems valid. I could see the frustration on Bart's face after you quoted Bible verses with "fire" describing hell. I've found this true over scores of debates and interviews. A 2017 Gallop poll says that 76% of Christians don't take the "entire" Bible literally. Why do you suppose God made the Bible so hard to understand? Why did God make the Bible interpretable (if that's a word)? How can someone call themselves a Christian if they don't take the Bible literally? How can a Biblical scholar determine if God was being literal or communicating metaphorically? If the Bible is an instruction book on "life," are metaphors the right choice? You don't see metaphors in other instruction books, such as recipes, textbooks, or "heart transplants."

[@kevingrant9275]

My bad…it’s @kevingrant9275

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[@TheRealDyscyples]

These are very unsatisfactory answers

[@brankopetrovic4355]

In the first verses of the Bible, we have the duality heavens and the Earth: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form (TOHU= chaos, disorder), and void (BOHU= uninhabited); and darkness was on the face of the deep (TeHOM =ocean). And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. (Gen. 1:1-2) In last verses of the Bible, we have the duality the New Earth and the lake of fire and brimstone: And He said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”(Rev. 21:6-8) In other words, we find again the new “TeHOM” (lake of fire), which is at the same time the place of “the outer darkness”: Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: (Matt. 25:41) And will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. (Matt. 13:42,50) Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ (Matt. 22:13) Therefore, we have two almost identical situations - one at the beginning of the Bible, the other at the end. If the analogy is complete, then “God’s spirit” will hover over the “lake of fire” as well as it hovered over the “waters” on the Earth, prior to beginning of creation of life on it. This means that the terrible Hell should actually represent the object of new God’s care and love - new creation.

[@joykeebler1916]

- Dreamboat Ann ie

[@Jaggerbush]

44:00 WHAT? Earlier he said the opposite that there was no fire there.... I swear he makes shit up. He always sounds like he's not prepared... He does a lot of double talk...the ppl who interview him seem to know more about the bible than he does... He's just always weak af with his explanations.

[@chrisstathe9183]

Hell is the grave where your thoughts parish and this will be for eternity but they will only suffer up to 40 stripes since God cannot pass this which is vile and the judged church mostly say that they will suffer for eternity which is not true if you compare all scripture.

[@enkidufive3349]

Would you like blue cheese, or thousand island dressing with that salad?

[@nunyabusiness9056]

@@enkidufive3349 I was gonna say it sounds like a Jordan Peterson quote haha. Your comment expressed this better XD

[@dicconloxton9102]

Vi

[@JulieCouillard]

Hell is real it is written fear not does who can kill the body BUT fear Yahawah who can destroy the body AND THE SOUL gehena is where the souls are tormented and destroyed !